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Mr_Anony: “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, ‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life" Rev 2:8From revelation 2:8 that says Jesus died,can GOD die??...... Taking you serious is a waste of time........ You have neglected all the attributes of GOD just because of the trinity dogma... You conclude:. 1...God can die and GOD died. 2...God was seen ,when in reality no one has seen GOD..... ______________________________ It was nice discussing with you........I don't worship a God who has died before or that was killed......... That is not the GOD Jesus himself worshipped.........that is not the GOD the isrealites worship..... |
Mr_Anony: You are making up your own theology here my friend. Nowhere in the bible does it say that God cannot take the form of a man nor is there anything in the bible that tells us that a spirit cannot take the form of a man.And Jesus' words are right in front of you proving that no one has seen GOD...so stressing that GOD took the form of a man in the person of Jesus is a fraud........people saw Jesus with there korokoro eyes,something that Jesus himself said has never happened and can never happen with GOD.......you have thrown away a profound truth and fact that no one has seen God..........Jesus was seen and touched by people....Jesus can't be GOD for the last time....no one has seen GOD at anytime..... God has never taken the form of a man...NEVER!!!!!..........and God has never for once in his life died......this is why I am saying discard that spurious philosophy of yours,its making you sound childish............like I said earlier ,God can choose to lie if he wants to..GOD can't be limited to lieing,but as we know it is impossible for GOD to lie...its one of his attributes....so also God cannot be seen,that is why Jesus reiterated by saying no one has seen GOD.....ANONY can you for once accept Jesus' words??.......... ____________________________ You said God has been seen in visions a couple of times ...right??........how does that support your stand that man has seen God when Jesus said no man has seen GOD??................ Let's see the definition of vision.. vi·sion [vizh-uh n] -n. 1. an experience in which a personage, thing, or event appears vividly or credibly to the mind, although not actually present, often under the influence of a divine or other agency: a heavenly messenger appearing in a vision. ............... ______________________________ Jesus was a physical being when on earth and not a vision.....people touched Jesus,ate with him and even killed him........that can't happen with GOD........ ____________________________ YES we are promised we will see GOD,but that would be when you go to heaven......tell me you don't know that??...........ANONY::: NO man has ever seen GOD........ 1 john 4:12... New International Version (©1984) No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. <<<<«««««««««««««««« John 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. ______________________________ Mr anony I would love to end this blind argument with you...you have shown gross disrespect for the only true GOD by saying he became flesh(took human form) and died....if I ever take you serious again then I might as weLl go have my crania checked.....smh,!!!!!.........keep holding on to the trinity delusion.......... You have infact said 1....God has been seen...in opposition to Jesus' words that says no one has seen GOD and that GOD is a spirit(Jesus made that statement when on earth so how could he be the GOD he was talking about?) 2...That GOD died..... |
Mr_Anony: Lol, so now KJV is no longer spurious abi? God is not a man by nature but He can take the form of a man.GOD cannot not take the form of a man because one of GODs attribute is being invincible(nver can be seen)...don't you get it??.....YES I argue that it is impossible for GOD to become man just as it is impossible for God to lie....don't force your philosophy on GOD...............if Jesus who was GOD as you claim opened his mouth to tell the JÉws that GOD is a §pirit,that fully shows Jesus wasn't GOD.......Jesus there and then proved that it is impossible for GOD to be a man or take the form of a man because he cannot be seen...........hope you get the point??...........like i sÀid don't squeeze your spurious philosophies into this............ |
hisblud: So THEOS now is a title? so the "God" used here by paul was a title in vs 15 of the NIVI can really see what your problem is.....you have programmed your trinitarian brain to always think that pronoÙns mÙst always refer to the immediate antecedent and not thÉ contextual antecedent........your analogy or the example you gave about james going to school and then later paul driving a car..then scene 3 the pronoun "he" was used in showing someone called abigail....you concluded that it must be paul the immediate antecedent,but I say NO... it is very possible it is james who called her.............. ______________________________ Now let's look at the scripture under consideration.... If verse 13 did talk about those who have put faith in Jesus ,then verses 14 $ 15 then talks about Gods house hold and chÙrch of the LIVING GOD,why would you think that versÉ 16 using the pronoun "who"/"which" or "he" must refer to the immediate antecedent ,thereby claiming that Jesus is the living GOD.....??.....besides verse 16 was pointing straigth at the fact that the mystery of godliness is Christ and not The living GOD himself... Let us check up some fÉw examples in the scriptures to clarify issues as to wether when pronoÙns are used it must refer to the immediate antecedent even when we know it doesn't..... The example below still comes from the same write"" paul"" who penned down those words at 1 timothy 3:16.. ____________________________ Acts 4:10,11::: King James Version (KJV) 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11" This" is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< The pronoun "this" clearly does not refer to the man who was healed,though he is the one mentioned just before "houtus" or "" this"..I would be mad to think the healed man is the head of the corner stone(Jesus) just because he was the immediate antecedent before the pronoun was used,..the same way you ran into conclusion about the "he" in 1 timothy 3:16 being GOD,you can do the same in the book of acts and see the disastrous outcome......... ____________________________ Let's have another example.::: 2 john 7:::: New American Standard Bible (©1995) For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. «««««««««««««««««««««««««« Here the pronoun used cannot be reffering to the closest antecedent(JESUS)...Jesus can't be the anti-christ rather it was those who denied Jesus........ __________________________ Those are just few examples including 1 timothy 3:16....the issue now is with your type who because of the false trinity dogma would assume and conclude that "theos" should be inserted in 1 timothy 3:16 or that the pronoun must be reffering to the closest antecedent,which was the LIVING GOD mentioned in verse 15 you need to do a re-think... ...because in your wayo hearts you have concluded that Jesus is the living GOD,you would embrace the kjv's rendering......but sorry bro...we all know who the true GOD is..he's no other person that YAHWEH the Father and GOD of Jesus.....paul in 1 timothy 3:16 was only telling the congregations or church that the mystery of godliness isn't the LIVING GOD himself but was CHRIST whom the LIVING GOD has sent.....colossians 1:27 tells who exactly this mystery is...you can read rather than hold on to a verse that proves nothing about the trinity...... ___________________________ If till this moment you can't fully distinguish between who the LIVING GOD is and who CHRIST is then you need serious help......... |
@anony...you said I should ask myself if GOD can become a man??...and my answer is NO...God can never become a man neither was he ever a man...Jesus himself confirmed this @ john 4:24 when he said::: John 4:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 God is a SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. _______________________________ How can Jesus who was the almighty GOD in flesh make this statement.....would it not be mad for one to think GOD can become a man,but Jesus here is saying otherwise??..... GOD is a spirit which nobody has seen neither can he become a man and then die......for you to even think of asking me such a useless question shows the poor state the trinity dogma has left you.... |
Mr_Anony: So there are now two Gods in the bible abi? one is Almighty while the other is mighty? So when in the next chapter, Isaiah says that the remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, To the Mighty God (Isaiah 10:21) which God is he referring to? You also forgot that the child will be called Everlasting Father abi? Look at the extents you have to go defend your dogma.""The mighty GOD"" right??...and in Jesus' case isaiah said he would be called ""mighty God"" and not the mighty GOD of the isrealites...the previous verse 20 mentions Yahweh as the holy one of isreal and GOD of isreal...Jesus isn't... ......scriptures both old and new testament further tells us that Yahweh is the almighty(God of gods) GOD and the only true GOD.... Joshua 22:22... ##Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009) Yahweh is the God of gods! Yahweh is the God of gods! He knows, and may Israel also know. Do not spare us today, if it was in rebellion or treachery against the LORD ##Darby Bible Translation The ùGod of gods, Jehovah, the ùGod of gods, Jehovah, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know it; if it is in rebellion, or if in trespass against Jehovah, save us not this day! ##Douay-Rheims Bible The Lord the most mighty God, the Lord the most mighty God, he knoweth, and Israel also shall understand: If with the design of transgression we have set up this altar, let him not save us, but punish us immediately: _______________________________ Those verses up there shows you how Yahweh is reffered to when the word EL is used... _______________________________ Jesus said to be called EL gibbor in no way makes him the almighty or an equal to the almighty....EL gibbor is a title or name that powerful men can bear......we can render that ""mighty GOD"" in that verse as mighty hero or mighty champion..Jesus was entrusted with power and rulership so as to fulfill Yahwehs purposes... In the book of ezekiel 32:21 that same expression ""EL GIBBOR"" was used but trinitarian translators chose to render it in the plural form as ""mighty leaders"", ""mighty chiefs"" ,"" warrior leaders"" and never for once taught these human leaders were Mighty GOds in the same sense trinitarians would want to feel about isaiah 9:6......may I also remind you that angel ""gabriel's"" name springs from the same root word ""EL GIBBOR""??....my brother Jesus to be called EL gibbor does not and will never make him equal to the almighty God,the God and Father of Jesus,.... _______________________________ ......When Jesus is said to be called everlasting Father all you shoulda done is find out what it means........ Mr_Anony: Can God die? No God cannot die in the sense of God ceasing to exist.Lol...you fail and err bro...God cannot become man...never...God cannot be seen to start with more or else become man and then die...you have downgraded the almighty because of your rubbish doctrine.......I just wanna hear you say YES God can die...trying to use logic here won't help because we are talking about the almighty.....God has never been a man....you ERR big time.... Mr_Anony: No it is not. The statement specifies the form in which God was seen. It is similar to saying "nobody has seen Ijawkid but we have seen him in a video"Lol.... And then the video further becomes ijawkid himself..abi??merging your illustration with the issue at hand we can conclude that the video itself people watched was ijawkid himself.....because you guys are pressing that Jesus is the almighty and only true GOD who came in flesh,just as we can say that the video of me is ME.......... besides Jesus wasnt a video player that played Yahwehs life,rather Jesus reflected and showed all what his GOD has taught him..I don't see how that makes Jesus GOD himself... |
hisblud: why na? Look at verse 15, it never stated Christ but God! If v15 was not existing refering to God, but vs 13-14, then sure, it would be ok. But it said "living God"!You are the one not understanding that whole chapter....you seem not to know how to distinguish between Jesus and his GOD....hÓw does the expression ""church of the living GOD" mean that Jesus is that living GOD??....remember when the apostles and many identified Jesus as son of the living GOD and not Jesus being the living GOD......your failure to read those verses well devoid of your false trinity dogma plus the kjv spurious rendering has made you to think Jesus is the living GOD...you err full time bro...now I ask......can the living GOD die.??...if you guys can't answer this question I'll just abandon this thread........smh!!! |
Mr_Anony: Dubious? I don't think so. I have shown you clearly from Philipians that Christ is equal to God but he humbled himself and became a man.Hmmm....I can see you still have a big problem with the title" GOD"...because for you to still be reading isaiah 9:6 with the thought that the child who was to be born and that is to be called mighty God is equal to the almighty God that sent him....you really need help bro....I'm happy the prophet isaiah wasn't a trinitarian who would have thought Jesus(the messiah) was equal to the 1 Yahweh he worshipped..........the next time you find yourself confused always know that Yahweh is the almighty GOD.....which makes him greater than Jesus..... Besides you haven't answered this very important question.... Did GOD die??can GOD die?? Mr_Anony: Exactly: Nobody has seen God but we have seen Him in the flesh. Jesus Christ.Lol...this statement is so contradictory....nobody has seen GOD,but we have seen him in the flesh??.....then how is it nobody has seen God??even Jesus said nobody has seen him...it means Jesus lied......mr anony...NOBODY has seen GOD...if you choose to evade this truth then you aint a sincere person.... ____________________________ Mr_Anony: From my experience with you, anything you don't agree with is automatically spurious.But I just told the truth...the kjv's rendering of that vÉrse is spurious.....there was nothing like the word ""theos" used in that verse....... |
hisblud: To start with, the THEOS am refering is in v15 not in v16!Without question,this is the great mystery of our faith....and what is that mystery...??that Christ Ór Gods firstborn came down to the earth and was seen by people......na lie??........I'm happy you knw theos wasn't in that verse.... |
Yooguyz: strong in the Lord and growing everyday.Lol........ |
Yooguyz: what you just wrote doesn't make any sense at all! Am having a very hard time understanding..so are you now saying that the king james' use of "holy ghost" is wrong in its context? Acts 2:4, 19:2...please tell me (i get a feeling this is going to be hilarious)Oh yes....the use of holy ghost in the kjv is wrong bro.....it was a wrong rendering.........the word "ruach" does not mean ghost......Gods spirit is not a ghost........all the spirit creatures in heaven are not ghosts........... Spirit and ghost do not mean the same thing...hope you're getting the point...uh??.... |
Can anyone tell me what's in the video??.... |
musKeeto: Buzugee. LolThe boy too funny...... |
buzugee: If i met you in real life, i will have the cushites strip you butt nekkid. then i will have the edomites make me a nice juicy horse whip. i will have the israelites tie you to the nearest iroko tree. then i will commit to giving you 36 lashes of the caneHahahahahah......I go die for laugh o...... |
musKeeto: They should put a similar label on the BibleTaaaa........!!!!!.......you know those who read the bible are liable to gain eternal life..... Oya throw way that cigger na...... ![]() |
hisblud: permit me to use logicboy's words...fail!Now you do err the most because the word "THEOS" was not part of that verse from the originals,not until trinitarians like your type fixed it in after the 4th/5th century............that Is what we define as fraud!!!!!.......why force in the word "THEOS" into were it isn't suppose to be??..... Verse 15 saying the church of GOD, only means Yahweh is truly the owner of the church,but has given his beloved son to be Lord over it just like I said earlier...... _____________________________ Another problem associated with the "God" rendering is that if we just keep reading it would then say that God was justified in the Spirit. It makes no sense to say God was justified in the spirit, God was seen by angels, God was preached among the Gentiles, God was believed on in the world, and God was received into glory." One would have to create quite a theological spin to have this make any good sense.......... Mr hisblud please try harder............you still haven't answered if anyone has seen GOD.....can GOD be seen??.......has anyone seen GOD??.......let me see if you'll contradict Jesus' words....... |
Yooguyz: "azzzz" just about the last thing i expected to come out of the mouth of someone who claims to follow christ..the fact that you feeling insecure of this thread shows that am not a far from the truth...so far i want you to know that i love you, Jesus loves you and that the eyes of your understanding be enlighten to discern clearly God's will..God bless u..could you expantiate on your intepretation of the difference betw ghost n spirit am hearing that for the first time?I was just joking with you bro......I used the word azzzz just to sound funny.......but seriously your using the expression ""holy ghost"" just doesn't fit.....a ghost cannot be holy,but a spirit can..........remember the holy spirit is GODs spirit......It would be spurious to say GODs ghost....GOD did not die for him to have a ghost roaming about....... So I doubt if you really converted the JW......because so far you seem to not know the scriptures.... ![]() |
Wahala really dey o......smh |
Wahala dey o....hmmm... |
obadiah777: IN HELL AND THE OTHER SIDE ON TOP, I CAN SEE YOU AND YOUR FELLOW ATHEISTS ALL RUNNING TO THE SHOP TO BUY KJV BIBLES AND SHOUTING ABOUT HOW THE LORD IS GREATI don die for laugh....KJV bible go just empty for all the book shops..........na logic boy go first go buy........he'll strap the KJV all over his body and then praising the LOrd....lol.. |
musKeeto: Our campaign dey work o...Hope you remember say somokers are liable to kpai young??.... ![]() |
seriallink: No be small jungle I enter brah ijawkidYour welcome....wetin you carry come??...... ![]() |
hisblud: @ijawkid going thru the various "correctly rendered" translation, this is what you will observe. Context they say, is king. When i read thru the whole chapter 3, i observed that paul started admonishing timothy on how to ordain a bishop. In vs 15-16, i quote One will notice that it didnot say church of christ but church of God(theos). Then paul move on to vs 16. In your "verified rendered" translation, stated He instead of God, looking at the greek of that word He in v16, it says "NT:3739 who, which, what, that" for Hos. Ok now join vs 15-16, you would notice that the which/who in v16 was referencing vs 15, that isWhy won't it say church of GOD?? You think that Jesus being the leader of the christian church is by his own making??....have you forgotten that the Father made Jesus Lord over his belongings??..........let me tell you this....there is nothing that Jesus posseses that wasn't given to him or that he didn't receive from his Father........ The problem with you and the wayo trinitarians who forced the word ""GOD"" into that verse is that y'all have already assumed that Jesus is co equal with the Father,because of the false trinity dogma...... Like I said to mr anony even your fellow trinitarians have discarded the kjv's rendering as a spurious one......also that verse even if we go by the kjv rendering still does not prove that it was the almighty GOD(Yahweh) that was made manifest in the flesh........why??...because one of Yahwehs attributes is that he is invincible(a spirit) and that no man can see Him and yet live....even the Jesus you claim is the almighty GOD told us that no one has ever seen GOD.....which GOD was Jesus talking about when he is the GOD??.....you guys have to start discarding philosophy and traditions of men and accept the bible for what it really is.......... |
Mr_Anony: Lol, It is interesting how your "truth of the rendering" migrates from translation to translation as long as it helps your bias. For instance if I quote 1John 5:7 for you from the KJV, "the truth of the rendering" will immediately pack her bags and run away to another translation.The translations are not even my problem.....you are my problem........you have been dubious through out this discussion.....-i'm still waiting for you to give me the reason why you would use Jesus' activities on earth to support your stance that he is the almighty or equal to the almighty,but prevent me from doing the same.....I'm still waiting for you to tell me how we would discard Jesus' human life in this discussion and still try to find out who Jesus really was.....you can as well tell us to discard the whole new testament and focus on the old testament.......if that happens the trinity dogma still won't stand...... ________________________________ Talking about translation wahala even if we go by the kjv rendition as regards 1 timothy 3:16,how does it still prove that Jesus is God the almighty or equal to the almighty GOD??.....is GOD any bodies name??......did the apostle say GOd the almighty became manifest in the flesh............can the almighty be seen??.......is it possible to see GOD??..........eh mr anony??...... _____________________________ The reason why I digressed into translation issues was because that rendering of 1 timothy 3:16 in the kjv has even been discarded by fellow trinitarians as spurious....I was just letting hisbud know about it........... |
Yooguyz: ghost and spirit mean the same thing check your dictionary to confirm...i dont usually enter into senseless arguments with people like you...you are the egoistic opionated type..a touch of holy ghost power will make you mellow..power makes witnessing easy acts 1:8..just a word of knowlege will quieten you..thats why i love power. Believe me i've experienced 99% results in soul winning when power became involvedOh!!!!!.....ghost and spirit are d same abi??......by using the word ghost you forget you are infering that God is a ghost.......and we all know what ghosts are......you mr man need to go do some bible study.......you need serious help.............as far as I'm concerned you've won no soul....our master Jesus didn't sit down at home to win souls,he went out to win them.......get your lazy azzzz out of your house and go knock on peoples doors and tell them a ghost is the same as a spirit.......nonsense!!!...... |
Agiliti: if FIFA can do bone tests to determine the age of players, or if scientists can run tests to determine if a bone fragment is male or female...and these are "animals" of the same species....what is so incomprehensible about testing a bone to determine what type of animal it belonged to?The last time I checked fifa could not tell that the nigerian boys who played the U-19 world cup were far over aged........... Most times as I have seen is that what ever scientists say becomes so perfect to some persons,especially atheist,simply because they never want to hear the word ""GOD"" |
manmustwac: Human Beings evolved from apes over a period of millions of years just like the baby evolves to the toddler the child the teenager then adult and the TV evolved from old black and white models to colour TVs with remote control then then 40 inch flat screen TVs then High Definition TVs with home cinema speakers. The house you live in now evolved from a hut that our ancestors lived in less than 200 years ago. Would you really ask a dumb question like would your house evolve into a spaceship in a hundred years or whether your TV would evolve into silverbird cinema. Don't you realize how naive you sound?Lol... ...it seems you mistake growth for the theory of evolution.................so I guess we should wait for another millions of years to see ourselves evolve into what I don't know.....abi??..... |
Yooguyz: lol...lol...A TYPICAL MALICIOUS COMMENT FROM A brainwashed fellow..mind you i'll keep winning them anytime they come to my door step..GOD BLESSLol....smh!!!!......I can really see that you are really filled with a ghost and not Gods spirit.......... You'll keep wiNning them when they come to your door.....why don't you go to there doors.??.....shame no dey catch you??....I believe that is what Jesus taught you...right??............... If i get your time you go run.... |
Logicboy03: Regarding your question about humans being more evolved now. We know for a fact that humans are bigger and now have less teeth than those in medieval times.I guess maybe by the time the evolutionary process reaches its climax we might be left with just 1 tooth or none............... How I wish the 1st child you give birth to comes out as a very ugly chimpanze(evolution)........I would be the happiest man that ever lived...... |
Logicboy03: its already happeningLol........ ...oh really??....what's recent??.......humans have evolved into wolverine or incredible hawk??.... |
ooman: I have gotten all the answers i need. This is why i am an atheist. I am totally satisfied now. It was pathetic to believe in God. Atheism is the best thing that happened to me. You want to know? Become an atheist and experience the best of life.Lol............I don't think you are sure if you've gotten all your answer...........because very soon the whites who fed you with the trash you hold so dearly would come to acknowledge man was created .............soon there theories would change and you will have to change too..... |
Logicboy03: Speciation.Lol......when will that happen??.....maybe in the next 5 million years to come...right??....... ....Can you be specific about when that would happen mr evolutionist!?? |
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hmm! Moreover, remeber am basing everything on NIV not the KJV, and reading from vs 15, it stated THEOS in Greek, in the Hebrew rendering, it would be rendered, YHWH! Then coming to v16, the "He" in context will be refering to the YHWH in vs 15.
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