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chukwudi44: ;DFeas ;Dt of sun god was on 25th dec of the julian calendar which is 7th jan in the current gregorian calendar so where's all this sun god stuff comming fom

Did the yuletide and saturnalia escape your notice??......oboy xmas is just a myth and a fraud and pagan.......

alexleo: Am not a christmas freak yet i wont also accept the pagan preaching you people are doing here. We are celebrating Christ and not whatever you people are talking here about paganism.

You are a christmas freak my bro......if you were not Ýou won't defend a pagan founded festival with all your strength..............you are not celebrating Christ,you are celebrating greed and self gratification...........smh!!!!!....

Rich4god: I think its you who need serious help... Cos all what you guys have been saying is that if its not in the bible, then its bash... I still havent seen and you have not provided where it is written that xmas celebration is pagan worship.

we debunked you by showing no servant of God engaged in xmas......also we used history to expose the falsehood of xmas........its left for you to defend xmas with the scriptures,but you are here asking yeye questions..............go and ask the pope to answer your question....after all his predecessors formed this baal celebration......this thread has exposed every bit of what xmas is..........

Rich4god: Good point you raised there. Have you seen any christian worshipping the sun god or xmas day or is any christian directing his activities on xmas day towards the sun god. Keep on contradicting yourself. And mind you, you have not shown me where it is written in the bible that xmas celebration is pagan worship, cos all you have been saying since is that the apostle didnt celebrate it.

Rich4god has not been paying attention o.......

You guys copied every bit of the sun god worshippers / saturlania celebrants .....and that is where your xmas was gotten from...........this whÓle thread has exposed each and every symbol,and custom used in xmas as pagan and not scriptural but yet you keep acting ignorant......oya answer this question....what has that useless Father christmas or santa claus got to do with Jesus Christ??..........

AÑd ofcus if the apostles didn't institute a commemoration as important as christmas then its a fraud my bro........the apostles are part of the foundation of Christianity.......

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19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners
and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s
people and also members of his household,
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and
prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the
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You forget the apostles are part of the foundation on which christianity is laid.....the earlier you understand this the better for you.........again I'll tell you:::::::...if the apostles didn't engage in the observaÑce of Christ birth then why are you doing it??...that question still stands...........
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Rich4god: That christ wasnt born on xmas day doesnt mean that it is wrong or it is a pagan practice to celebrate it any date you feel suitable for you. I still want you to show me where it is written in the bible that celebration of xmas is wrong.

Any date isn't dec 25th....there is a reason why it is dec 25th...and that reason has been exposed.........many are discarding the useless xmas..........its absolutely useless.!!!!!!!!!!!..........if after all the scriptures opened you're still asking me to show you a scripture that says"" thou shall not celebrate xmas"" then you(rich 4 God) needs serious help................

Xmas and its customs is a big time fraud..........

Je§us wasn't bÓrn on christmas day....................discard that filthy celebration and worship God in spirit and in truth..............

chukwudi44: JWs seem to be dodging my questions.I will ask again.why are the JWs still using the 'pagan' roman names for the calendar months? Why haven't they created their own 'christian'calendar

What do we use the pagan names for??.....do we call our kids by those names or what??...............or do we observe festivals that are directed towards Janus for example??.................you forget that even the isrealites at one time or the other when they were taken into captivity by the world powers of there time had to be under the calendar system of those nations while they
Juxtaposed it with the jewish calendar system??.............except you want the JW's to be rebels..........abi??...............you guys (catholics)have specifically snatched a pagan festival and date, submerged Christ in it and have spoon fed many with it................


Your question is so lame my bro..........so damn LAME.........xmas has been debunked I gue§s you and your cÓlleagues have to live with it............it is a big shame to know how much scam xmas is.............smh!!!!...............insteaÐ of yoÙ to address the issue at hand you ran of to talk about the gregorian calendar........smh!!!!.......

Rich4god: You are the person terming it wrong and calling it a scam because never in the bible were it written that xmas celebration is wrong neither did the bible tell me that its a pagan pratice to celebrate xmas.

Smh!!!!!.............I'm not the one terming it wrong....xmas itself is telling you ""I am wrong"".................""Christ wasn't born on xmas day"".............you are the one that should be opening the scriptures to support christmas not me..............

Rich4god: Hmmm... So your problem now is no longer the celebration, but the date in which it is celebrated. Now if Christmas is to be celebrated on 10th of Oct, will it cease to be a pagan practice in your eyes?

Date,custom etc ....everything is wrong.........rich4god its wrong....all wrong.......I was only just emphasizing that the date(dec 25th) was the beginning of the scam called xmas................the truth is even if today you are told Christ was really born in OCTober(ofcus he wasn't born dec 25th),you guys would never switch....xmas has been seriously programmed to tally with the pagan observance it was taken from..............you can all continue to wallow in this pagan heathen celebration called xmas......when you are satisfied with it you might come to your senses.........

Rich4god: How will he know, whilst you are the ones shouting with every confidence that we are worshipping idol. So i guess you should know which of the idol that we are worshipping.

Start reading from page one and stop this childs play........its a waste of time arguing with persons who have even agreed that the proposed date for Christ birthday was a scam......all we did was show how you guys arrived at that scam....

Zikkyy: To be honest, i don't. so tell me.

Start readin from the 1st page and then you'll get your answer........smh!!!!......

Rich4god: From what you guys have been saying, i still havent seen any reason why xmas is pagan. And mind you, the truthslyt is basing his reason on the fact that dec 25th is used for sun god worship and so celebrating christmas that day is pagan worship. (did you now see how he relatted sun god worship ro xmas.)... Now, in the same way using truthlyt logic, am telling you that the day in which you celebrate Nisan 14 is equally attributed to a spirit/idol (according to truthlyt) so in the same way, you are equallly worship that spirit on that particular day.

So are you still arguing that dec 25th is false and that it was exactly the date snatched from pagans that was used for the worship of there sun god??.....are still trying to lie that Jesus's birth day was dec 25th..........you see why I said you are misconstruing truthislights words??.........the question is why are you celebrating the birthday of Christ on dec 25th??.......I should have stopped this argument since the moment you guys agreed Jesus wasn't born on dec 25th.....I had just been wasting my time........

Rich4god: Dont mind them... Just showing their hypocricy to every one. You can not accept what suits you and do away with what you dont want, and still come to attack others who accepted it as their own believe.

You asked when was the passover date answer was given....you asked why it should be commemorated answer was also given from the scriptures.........


You guys have NO answers biblically why you celebrate xmas..........

Nothing.........

Zikkyy: Who are these pagans?

Tell me you don't know......

Zikkyy: The aim is not to justify, but to show your hypocrisy.



the use of pagan names for dating is a pagan observance, and it has crept into Christianity because Christians accepted and use it. So it is relevant. If you don't want christmas, you must also invent your own calender or rely on the Jewish calender for your dating cos everyday in the current calender is pagan and according to brother truthislight each day has a demonic spirit attached to it. You just have to do away with the current calender.

And your aim here has not been to knw the truth about xmas,but to perpetually engage in self gratification and paganism all in the name of Jesus...............

The bible you hold made use of Jewish dates and that is how we knw the month and date of the passover and still allign it till this moment..you guys have no reason and no back up for xmas celebration.....and don't you guys misconstrue truthislights words.........

Rich4god: @Bolded, plz tell me what and what did the pagans dictate for me.
@Red text, for you to have make use of an idol calendar, makes you an idol worshipper. So said your brother truthlyt.

The reasons why xmas is pagan has been discussed here over and over...have you not been paying attention??.......

Truthis light Only gave the reasons for birthday celebrations and why no servant of God engaged in it..............when did truthislight dabble into the months making up the calender??.......don't misconstrue his words just to run away from truths...........truthislife gave a brief reason why pagans celebrated there birthdays and why they were the only ones who did it..........

Rich4god: Because i wasnt born then, i feel like this is the time for me to do it. And moreover, why not commemorate the death of Christ just one in your life time.

You don't feel what you like when it comes to things pertaining to the Lord.....you act as you were told and how the apostles acted........

Why should I commemorate the death of Christ once in a life time??....was that the instruction given??.......uh??.

Rich4god: Again, let me use truthislyt logic to answer you.... This current calendar system was invented in the 16th century, and according to truthislyt all the day of this calendar has a spirit/idol attached to it. So in other for you to celebrate the passover (Nisan 14) according to the bible, then you have to go back to a time when Nisa 14 will not fall into any of the date/day in the current calendar system. Else you are only worshipping/celebrating the spirit of the day...
Note... Am only using what truthzlyt thought me. So attack him on this issue or better still, live with it. PEACE.

Lol........the NISAN 14 is what matters most...we have a foudation we are working with...while you have nothing but a bunch of pagans dictating what you should do and how you should do it...........telling me to discard the use of the modern calendar that should help me arrive at the month and day that alligns with NISAN 14 is a lame argument..........if not for NISAN 14 and the Jewish calender the new calendars we have would not have evolved...........

I have NISAN 14 from the scriptures to work with,while you have nothing......

Rich4god: I have given you my own reason that i am rejoicing just like the angels did when Christ was born, but you still dont want to believe. So live with it.

You should have rejoiced more than 2000 years ago with the angels...(That's if you were born then..).....commemoration of his birth is the scam we are talking about.......its a scam and its pagan......

plendil: there you go. I would have expected them to totally discard this system of date given its pagan origin.

What chukwuddi put up there in no way justifies why the birth of Jesus should be commemorated, and then rubbed with paganism.............

The pagan acts carried about the celebrants of each of the birthday of those gods starting from Janus(january) are acts a right thinking christian would never engage in.........
I don't commemorate the births of the gods which the names of the months were coined from......

You can direct your question to those who engage in such acts....

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If you guys were on track you would have noticed this discussion isn't about names of months or a calender system,.....this thread is about how pagan festivities or observances has crept into christianity............and it has been proved that xmas has nothing to do with Christ.......

Rich4god: (Let me apply the logic of truthslight to answer you) No matter what you call it, it still fall within the dates of our worldly carlendar (except if you are not from this planet) and each date has its own spirit/idol according to truthislty. So what you guys are celebrating is the spirit of that particular day in which your Nisan 14 falls in.

You are not making any sense..........xmas has been exposed for the LIE it is... live with it......

If Nisan 14. And the commemoration of Christ death is wrong from the scriptures start debunking them rather than engage in childs play....I've given you the one good reason why I observe the memorial of Christ death and with scriptures....................xmas is pagan........

Zikkyy: you typed the word 'sin' with so much ease here. no difficulty. This was the kind of response i was expecting for my question, but you no fit.

E be like you like the word ""SIN""........

Rich4god: I guess blowing knock out is pagan worship.
But why did you term one incident as bad and the other as good whilst both incident result to loss of human life. I understand what you are trying to say, but its illogical and out of point trying to use the incident to discredit the celebration. It could have happened any other day and moreover knockout is not just a christmas thing, it is equally used during new. So plz spare me that talk.

I knew you wouldn't see the truth in this whole discussion........I termed one evil and one good because that is what it is......Jesus been born was never a bad thing..was it??...but blowing explosives and engaging in crazy activities all in the name of Jesus is surely bad..........its very simple but you seem not to understand...would kids ever come in contact with explosives if not for xmas??......

Rich4god: Good, but the last supper is celebrated on a pagan day, which equally makes it a pagan worship. So we are all in the boat.

Is Nisan 14 a pagan date /day??...please enlighten me......please!!!.......we are not in the same boat my bro.........

Rich4god: [/b]
If you want to relate that incident to xmas, then you are wrong because that incident could have happened any other day. Moreover boko haram have been attacking christians and they still attacked on xmas day, that does not make xmas a bad celebration. And least you forget, so many innocent kids died at the hand of Herod as a result of christ birth. Does that incident in any way make Christ coming a bad thing. Plz be logical enough and stop been selective in your judgement.

The knockouts were bought for xmas.....and the celebrants of xmas make use of it all in the name of Jesus....na lie I talk??.......I've given you a first hand reason why persons engaged in vile acts.....CHRISTMAS.....its got the spirit of the word written all over it......

Christs birth wasn't a sin even though it led to the death of some kids which herod(a fellow birthday celebrant like you) master minded.......but engaging in a life of debauchery and wallowing in pagan festivals in the name of Jesus is a sin...........

Desist from it and tell your children the truth......

Zikkyy: You see yourself na? you sabi dodge anything that will expose your yansh provide the date. I have attended Jehovah witness commemoration before, but them no allow me drink the wine. na so them just dey pass the thing round. peeps did not drink the wine. Somebody say na only very few people fit drink the wine, but am sure they were just trying to reduce cost. who be mumu anyways the thing is that the event was sometime around easter celebration, now i want to know how you arrive at such date? if you don't tell me it means you have something to hide.

I'm nt hiding anything......truthislight had answerd your question......hasn't he??.......had NISAN 14 not been mentioned here??.........what more do you want??.......

I don't have any yansh that you have to expose....lol.......

Rich4god: Just contradicting yourself again. You said you are onle celebrating the death of Christ, and now you are tagging it a pagan celebration. So where do you belong.

The last supper is scriptural but EASTER is pagan....did I just unveil paganism??........

EASTER is the name of a pagan goddess.....it has nothing to do with Jesus' death.......you guys have paganism all around you and you still can't see it.........like I had earlier said,when easter comes we would break bread on it....for now its all about xmas and its falsehood.....

Rich4god: We as Christians... if you like remove yourself from the we. Plz spare me that, what were the angels rejoincing over when christ was born.

Which christians??.you mean the pope.........did you exclude the apostles??..............the angels were happy for our sakes........because we are the ones to benefit from Christ ransom sacrifice.........the angels knew Jesus before his descending to the earth,so what have they to do literally with Jesus' birth.....they were only rejoicing because Gods plan for humans had started materializing...........again I'll tell you the angels never commemorated Christ birth........

Rich4god: @the bolded... Plz help me with the date. And equally help me with proof that the Holy spirit is not in charge of christmas.

It would have been nice if asked this question when easter comes up........the thread is about xmas....let's finish with it..

You really wanna know that the holy spirit is not in charge of xmas??....

I hope you heard what happened in LAGOs where your fellow celebrants threw explosives(a.k.a BANGER or KNOCK out) which resulted in a fire disaster.....tell me what kind of spirit is behind such rubbish.....??.......kids whom you guys should have told that xmas is a fraud are in the name of Jesus throwing knock outs.......if you want we could go into the amount of xmas celebrants who engaged in sexual immorality both on xmas eve and the xmas day.......my bro if you can't see that the spirit of the world is in control of xmas then I can't help you...besides this I'll soon end this discussion with you........

Rich4god: Are you now after the celebration or you are after the name. You see how you guys behave, always dodging away from fact. Ok call it whatever you want it does matter, all that matters is that are we rejoicing that our saviour came to redeem us.

I'm after everything about xmas.......who are the WE that chose to commemorate christ birthday(though unknown) and then choose dec 25th??....who??......

And once again the angels did not celebrate the birthday of Christ............why are you trying to drag the holy angels into paganism........why??...........

Zikkyy: You have given me something new to talk about. Please tell me how you determine the date for the commemoration of Christ death. Am interested i no the date did not appear from thin air. By the way what date is this special day? tell us. I hope you will not abandon this question.

You wan know??....you no know??.....if you wish to talk about the day Christ instituted the last supper,wait until when the easter feast comes......a thread definitly would be created to fix that......be patient my bro....another pagan festival would come up by march/april(EASTER) ...when it comes we would battle it out....for now xmas is what is under consideration.....................

Rich4god: Good... We are rejoicing just like the angels did, that our saviour came to redeem us. But then, we tagged it Christmass.

Lol.........smh again and again.............who tagged it as xmas?? Who are the WE??........mention the name of the WE.........

Rich4god: LOL... Good to hear that. Now what will you say of angels that were rejoincing when Christ was born? Lk 2:12-15.

And here goes rich4God asking the same questions that have been answered.....rich4God we go fight gidigbo o.....................plapville and I think todaynatoday answered this question and even myself.......scroll back and read the comments.............the angels rejoiced that the means by which humans would gain eternal life had been sent to the earth ....they did not commemorate Christ birth........the angels did not do xmas.........did they??......you think the angels are pagans ??........