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Logicboy03: Destroyed by whom?

Your god that has failed your JW prophecies continuously?

I really wanna know where you stand....for satan or for Yahweh??.........

Because this discussion is between a satanist and one who loves Yahweh.....

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advocate666: Exodus 20:5

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Ezekiel 5:13

13 “Only then will I calm down and let my anger cool. Then you’ll know that I was serious about this all along, that I’m a jealous God and not to be trifled with.


The two passages above show Yahweh ranting about his jealousy. But who is he jealous of? He is jealous of the only true Lord, the Ruler of Light and Darkness, The Almighty Lucifer. Satan The Most High.

He wanted to justify his jealousy by calling others "lesser gods". But how can you be jealous of someone you are greater than?
He is jealous because Satan is greater than him.

Arrant mumu....!!!!....your god would soon be destroyed for all eternity.....

Yooguyz: I spoke to one about jesus recently and he was trying to start an agument (just like what an average witness would do)..i quickly ended the preaching and after much hesitation he agreed after prayer i told a vision i saw about him, he told me it was true..2 days later we saw and then he started asking me some questions and being the smart guy that i am i won him to christ and filled him with the holy ghost..any1 with similar xperience please share

I can swear it was not a sound JW you met...

Meanwhile Jehovahs witnesses are not filled with the holy ghost,rather they are filled with the holy spirit..........

May I ask:::::when you fiiled him with the holy(GHOST) what then happened??......bet he would join you in celebrating saturlania(the mother of christmas),the pagan festival??.....abi??......

You err bro.....

hisblud: let me see the correct rendering first which will correct the "spurious" rendering of 1 tim3.16. Thank you

##.New International Version (©1984)
Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness
is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated
by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was
preached among the nations, was believed on in
the world, was taken up in glory.
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##New Living Translation (©2007)
Without question, this is the great mystery of
our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body
and vindicated by the Spirit. He was seen by
angels and announced to the nations. He was
believed in throughout the world and taken to
heaven in glory.
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##English Standard Version (©2001)
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of
godliness: He was manifested in the flesh,
vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels,
proclaimed among the nations, believed on in
the world, taken up in glory.

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##New American Standard Bible (©1995)
By common confession, great is the mystery of
godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh,
Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels,
Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in
the world, Taken up in glory.

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##Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness
is great: He was manifested in the flesh,
vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels,
preached among the nations, believed on in the
world, taken up in glory.
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##International Standard Version (©2012)
By common confession, the secret of our godly
worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to
sight, kept righteous by the Spirit's might,
adored by angels singing. To nations was he
manifest, believing souls found peace and rest,
our Lord in heaven reigning!
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##GoodNews Translation...

16 No one can deny how great is the secret of
our religion: He appeared in human form, was
shown to be right by the Spirit, and was seen by
angels. He was preached among the nations, was
believed in throughout the world, and was taken
up to heaven.
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If you had done your research well you would have found out the truth of the rendering found in the KJV...........but even after been told a million times in this forum,you choose to hold on to that verse..........oya if Jesus was the almighty GOD in flesh,then why did he die??.....can the almighty GOD die??....

seriallink: Hahaha Brah Buzugee, I full ground o! I Just enter small village see some people. How your end?

Oboy where you go chuk head na??....which village be that??...

musKeeto: Na wa o. At this rate, Goshen fit come back from Yankee next year open church.

Lol................you no serious....lol......

hisblud: @ijawkid oops sorry i have not come across such spurious rendering of that verse, kindly render it accordingly ko! Waiting to see the correct rendering thanks. Just 1tim3:16 :

You act like you're a new comer..........have you replied frosbel??.....

Atheist:-D:
In regards to that yes. In regards to Xtianity there are still a gazillion questions

It seems right. I feel good about my current life (I felt good about my Xtian life too however). I also feel free and rejuvenated. I believe it has affected me positively

Lol....you've gotten your answer as to how man came into existence??.....

frosbel: The demons unlike you knew that Jesus Christ is not GOD.


"What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?"—Matthew 8:29

"What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God."—Mark 1:24, Luke 4:34

"You are the Son of God."—Mark 3:11

"You are the Son of God!" But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ.—Luke 4:41

"What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, do not torment me."—Luke 8:28, Mark 5:7


Based on the evidence above , it is apparent that the demons never considered Jesus to be GOD , otherwise they would have called him so.


About trembling , let us hear what James had to say ?

"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." - James 2:19


What can't you Trinitarians understand ?

I tell you what , you guys are so glued to false tradition it is scary.

Lol....my bro I'm smh seriously ...........even in the face of clear facts,trinitarians are still arguing that Jesus is equal to GOD.............

hisblud: smh also! What is your correct rendering if i might ask to learn? Here is it in amplified, young literal translation and the message:
Young Literal Translation


The Message

Lol.....still not learning......that rendering was an excerpt from the latin vulgate which was not in the originals........

For you to have been on the religion section for so long and still quoting 1 timothy 3:16 to support the trinity shows you've not been paying attention........
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You still have not helped anony to tackle the issue of Jesus who you claim to be God dying,when we know that dying is not one of Gods attributes.........

hisblud: The "trinity" was NEVER mentioned in the scripture so is "omnipotence", "omniscience", yet scripture alludes to them. Check this verse and tell me what it means, hmm paul oh why this statement

So you never learn??

You still have not learnt not to quote 1 timothy 3:16 when discussing the trinity??....that rendering is a spurious one......

Smh!!!!!.....

hisblud: @Anon and others
i have been reading on the sideline all the posting and i must commend you all for trying to lay this matter as clearly as possible. The more boomark and co try to show the All "Oneness" of God, yet you see more scriptures showing God as a "multipersonal Entity" mysteriously unknown yet being known -what a contradiction, eh? Ok lets all take this out for starts which mrAnony has requested and then we build from there: ok lets start with the bolded...

Anony has chosen to play his usual wayo......how did anony know that Jesus is all knowing??.....he drew that conclusion by saying Jesus could read the minds of individuals just like his Father......and how did he get to that junction??....it definitely would be instances when Jesus read the minds of persons while on the earth.......but right now anony has said we should discard Jesus' life on earth just for this discussion,meanwhile he has already built on that..........

NO BE WAYO be that??......

Jesus is not equal to his Father in any way.........

#Is Jesus all knowing??NO
#is Jesus all powerful??..impossible.....
#...is Jesus all -GOOD??.....NO..

Mr_Anony: Jesus Christ had no evil found in Him not even a tiny little bit. He was perfect.

Oh sorry bro,,,,,.......Jesus did say no one should be called GOOD,except just one person.........not that Jesus wasn't perfect and GOOD,Jesus still again for the sake of making truths clear to trinitarians like you had to reiterate that he isn't equal to his Father and GOD....Jesus had to immediately tell the rich man that the greatest and highest standard of GOODness was nobody else but the Father.............remember I said "All-Good" is one of the attributes of Yahweh,which ofcus Jesus confirmed........
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Mark 10:17,18
17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up
to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good
teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit
eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered.
“No one is good—except God alone.
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Hope you are reading Jesus' own words(the acclaimed co-equal with God the Father).....

Who is that GOD" alone" that is good if I may ask you??.......

Mr_Anony: What you have done here is switch and argue a strawman. I am pointing to Jesus Christ's full existence as the Son of God and you are limiting Him to His fleshly form just to "win an argument" seriously? Is Christ dead or is He alive forever?

Now it seems you want to resolve to playing that usual wayo when it comes to discussing the trinity.....right??.......

Deathlessness and indestructibility are attributes of the almighty.........Christ at one point in time died,was killed,and was ressurected(and let me say this he was even created to start with.)........such can't happen with the almighty.......this discussion is about if Jesus is equal to his GOD and FATHER .........you can't escape with logic this time..................
For 3 good days Jesus didn't exist.........he died........I repeat it is impossible for GOD to die...........

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If you have chosen the premise that Jesus' life on earth should be excluded from this discussion,then I might not continue with you in this vague argument...........

You act like if Jesus didn't come to the earth you would ever have dreamnt of a doctrine like the ""TRINITY""..........
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Even if you choose to be abberant,we are still here to prove Jesus is and was never equal to his GOD and Father.....

Me I dey vote for GOSHEN oooo.....na my uncle from another family be that...........

GOSHEN all the way........

GOSHEN 360..............

Evil Brain: Oh, okay. Now that you've explained it to me, I totally believe you. Wait, I just got a great idea that can both shame all bible doubters and make both of us some money at the same time.

Why don't you go through your bible and try and find one or two (or ten!) new scientific truths that the atheist scientists haven't discovered yet. I could use my knowledge of the scientific method to devise experiments, publish papers, and prove those godless scientists wrong once and for all.

If our plan works, I promise to:
a) Convert to Christianity
b) Apologise on Nairaland for all my many blasphemous statements and
c) Split the Nobel prize money with you 50:50
You have my word as an atheist.

Lol......like I said earlier,the bible isn't a science text book....but when its time to reveal truths even about the universe its accurate...and those facts have been mentioned by the OP........

God has given us brains to decipher the rest of his creative works(the bible focuses on other more important stuffs)...........that's why I applaud scientists who work tirelessly to solve problems and establish new theories.its all Gods doing.....ecclesiastes says it will even take forever for man to know all of Gods handi work..........God has embedded in us a longing to search for him, to know his creative works,and to live forever so that we keep knowing......

All I want you to do is admit that the scriptures you have discarded as false and written by men devoid of inspiration by the holy spirit,is actually from GOD and that it does contain pertinent truths that are overwhelming...........

As for your 50:50 wahala I no dey o..........

musKeeto: Lolz... Obadiah and His Bible

Bump..

Lol......I don die for laugh finish....

musKeeto: Bump...

Archeologist muskeeto......I throw way salute..........

Reyginus: @striklimi, I'm tired of going in circles. I give up

Lol

Evil Brain: You cant deduce any useful information just from reading the bible. It is not possible to infer the shape of the earth from the book of Daniel alone. If you only follow the "bible laws on hygiene and nothing else, half of your kids would have died of diarrhoea before their fifth birthday.

The "scientific facts" in the bible consist entirely of vague, nonspecific statements whose scientific interpretations are as a result of twisting the meaning until it slightly resembles a scientific theory that has already been deduced by secular means. You can't just take something that someone has discovered and claim after the fact that it was in the bible all along. If it was already there, how come nobody knew before? You are basically doing the same cheap stunt TB Joshua pulls whenever he claims to have predicted whatever big disaster happens to be in the news.

If you want to really prove that the bible has real, useful information in it, then you'll need to derive a new, original theory by doing nothing else but studying the scripture. Then you need to test that new theory through formal experimentation to show that it has merit. Until then, the scientific community will continue to take you as seriously as it takes TB Joshua.

You are a big joke my bro.....the bible like was said earlier though not a science text book gives specifics of our planet which you have watered down because of your hate for the scriptures.................

the persons who never knew that all along the bible contained a scientific truth were never ardent readers of the scriptures.........only persons who read through Gods word daily would be able to spot such truths..........

And you don't have to compare me with t.b joshua..........I don't know how reliable his predicitons are,what I'm sure of is that the bible is accurate in every way.....prophetically,scientifically and otherwise.............

Talking about the hygiene laws that were given to the isrealites,you forgot completely that those laws were specifically for servants of God living during that AGE.......

Man has evolved from what he was 3000 years ago to what he is now.........our activities have changed and so do some laws on hygiene.........besides those strict laws were for the isrealites.... Those laws although done away with does tell us that God saw to it that the isrealites were clean persons and also free from diseases........
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My point is::::....lay men could tell specific truths about our universe before even science was recognized...........if you have chosen not to respect the scriptures that's your business,but don't come up here to deny or trivialize the fact that these truths existed in the scriptures before your atheistic scientists came into existence....

Martian: Basically, the earth is a breeding ground for slaves and just like antebellum America you niggers will still be niggers. I hope those slaves and their descendants who love jesus know this.
"Spirit" slaves who have no time for play.............just "work! Work!! And work!!!......."

Lol....you know nothing about the scriptures......go read the book of isaiah to see what persons who wiLl live on the new earth for eternity would experience........

DanielNoble: so are you against the verse?

How??.......

How does that verse mean Jesus is the almighty GOD??......

DanielNoble: okay.then whats the names he is called in that verse?

#Mighty GOD
#Prince of peace
#eternal Father
#wonderful counselor....

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DanielNoble: its you that have a problem with understanding it. Who is the child and mention the names the verse gave to him.

The child mentioned there was Jesus and not the almighty GOD.............the almighty God cannot and has never been a child before.....

DanielNoble: Read it before you get back to me.

That verse has been over flogged here in the religious forum............

You got a problem understanding it??...

DanielNoble: GO AND READ ISAIAH 9 vs 6.

What does it say??.....that Jesus is the 1 and almighty GOD??....uh??.....

Mr_Anony: My friend, you guys read the bible with an "anti-trinity" bias so even where there are clear scripture showing us that Christ is God and the Holy Spirit is God, you heartily ignore them so I will tell you the same thing I have told Barrister. Please define God. Lay out His attributes. Point out out those things that only God can possess and if Christ does not possess them, we can conveniently drop the whole "trinity" issue.

Lol..........God is all Good ..........

Prove to me Jesus is all GOOD just like the Father.......that's just a definition of GOD........

also GOD cannot die...........did Jesus die??....

obadiah777: YEAH LETS HOPE HE DIGS OUT A CAN OF RAID

Lmao........and muskeeto coils.....

obadiah777: I WAN HELP HER UNLOAD HER 'UNNECESSARY BURDEN' MY BROTHER. IT IS A RIGHTEOUS DUTY OF MINE

Lol........na bill gates you for dey tell this thing o.......

Mr_Anony: Nobody interprets Trinity as 3 gods. God is One and He exists in multiple persons.

Now before we look into 1 Cor 8 let us first go to Deuteronomy 6 verse 4

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
When we put that verse in context, we see Moses telling the children of Israel the nature of who they are worshiping i.e. Moses is letting them know that even though there are multiple gods worshiped by everyone else, Israel's God is one.

It is the same context in 1 Corinthians 8. Paul is letting the Christians know that even though the pagans around them worship multiple gods, their God is singular i.e. one God, one Lord. The Father and the Son. If Jesus was not deity at all, Paul would only need to mention the father but then we notice that not only does he mention the Son, he adds "....through whom are all things and through whom we live" compare this to the statement Paul made when talking about God as the creator in Acts 17:28 ".....for in Him we live and move and have our being..."


Now to your demand

Perhaps this might be the best way for us to understand what is meant by Trinity is to ask you to define God. Who is God?

Is He omniscient?
Is He omnipresent?
Is He omnipotent?
Can you show me these 3 words in the bible? I am sure you can't because they simply are not in the bible however we read verses that confirm these attributes of God.

I can show you verses that show that the Son can be at more than one place at a time like the Father (omnipresence),
I can show you verses of the Son reading people's minds i.e. they couldn't hide their thoughts from Him like the Father (Omniscience),
I can show you the Son assuring us that He will do anything we ask for in faith(omnipotence)
The Son was uncreated and existed from the beginning with the Father (The Son is also eternal)
The Son accepted worship to Himself (Mind you this is something no angel would dare to do)

If you can look at all these attributes and tell me that the Son is not God even though He has all the same attributes you would use to define God, then it is either there are 2 Gods in your bible or God is a multi-personal being.

I just found out that only if you are humble would you discard the trinity dogma........it has eaten so deep in you that you've chosen to twist a clear scripture to support the trinity......

Paul said there is only one GOD the father,you are saying because Jesus was called the 1 Lord,then that makes him part of the 1 God the apostle paul was talking about......

Seriously anony you need to throw away pride to accept the truth........

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You are in effect telling us that the isrealites including Jesus worshipped a 1 GOD that is made up of 3 persons.......smh!!!!!....

Twisting deuteronomy 6:4 to allign with the trinity is so surprising..I'm shocked bro......!!!!!!

Even Jesus acknowledged that we have and share 1 God who is the Father(john 20:17),but you anony is saying the opposite............

obadiah777: LMAO. WHAT YEAR WAS THIS POST MADE AGAIN ? 60 BC <<<< WHAT ARE YA AN ARCHAEOLOGIST OR SOMEBODY ? UNEARTHING FOSSIL POSTS

Hahahahaha....that has been muskeeto's job for about 2 days now........digging out threads from the past....lol.......

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Would you be needing it??...lmao........you no go kill me with laff....

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Lmao...........