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musKeeto: Interesting..

Buzugee oooo.....chei I need to come carry this boy run.....

@anony.....one more familiar scripture for you to ponder on.....
Ephesians 4:5,6

##New Living Translation (NLT)
5 There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 and one God and Father, who is over all and
in all and living through all.,.....

See how the araimac rendition. Reads verse 6...

##Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And One is God The Father of all, and over all,
and with all and in us all.

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One GOD and the Father are synonymous.......when ever the apostles talked about the 1 true GOD they never imagined it to be a league of 3 persons making up that 1 GOD...rather they knew that the 1 GOD was the Father and nothing more..........

Mr_Anony: The truth scripture has revealed is that God is one being in 3 persons.

This is a lie...........and you know it......mr.anony you're better than this,,,.........no scripture would tell you that GOD is one being in 3 persons.........instead scriptures have said there is 1 GOD the father.........

The Father is the only 1 GOD and not the Father,the son and holy spirit making 1 GOD............
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the diagrams present in that video can explain your theory but not the bible......

Boomark has quoted scriptures that confirms oneness of GOD to the Father alone and not to some other 2 persons.......

Boomark: One God: The Father

1 Corinthians 8:4-6
New International Version (NIV)
4 So then, about eating food
sacrificed to idols: We know that
“An idol is nothing at all in the
world” and that “There is no God
but one.” 5 For even if there are so-
called gods, whether in heaven or
on earth (as indeed there are many
“gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for
us there is but one God, the Father,
from whom all things came and for
whom we live; and there is but one
Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom
all things came and through whom
we live.

Deut 6:4
Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God is one LORD.

Eph 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in all.

1Tim2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified His servant, Jesus, whom you, for your part, delivered up....

Mal 2:10
Is it not one Father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why do you deal treacherously with one another,...?

Mt 23:9
Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly one.

The bible clearly shows that there is one God who is the Father. The God that the Israelites worship, who is different from His servant, Jesus, acts 3:13.

Trinity, being the doctrine of men contradicts these bible verses by saying that one God consist of 3 different persons: Father, Son and Holyspirit. Their is no where it is written in the bible.

What is written is that God is one and He is the Father, who is God over all, including our Lord Jesus, Eph 1:17.

Exactly my bro.....when the bible talks about oneness of God it is attributed only to the Father................it is always one GOD the Father...........why can't trinitarians just uphold this truth??.......

Were people get the idea of 1 God manifesting in 3 persons is out of this world......

I can't believe that many are still holding on to this childish belief even when scriptures have revealed the truth............

Image123: d. He's born of God, and may well rightly be called a god. .

Hmmm.....the above sounds interesting.....

cyrexx: do you know that many christians also believe that you (Jehovah's Witnesses) had been deceived by satan and hence working for satan?

The fact is that satan is religion's tool and religionists will use it to make it responsible for the goofs of their religion's god and label anything that challenges their religion as agents of satan.

I used to think like that and i know what its like to label some ideas and people as satanically influenced.

No lele. I understand your thinking.

I just wanna know if you agree with advocate666 who is partially an atheist and also a religionist(satan worshipper).??..........the guy na duo.......

Boomark: Jn 3:16

"for God loved the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son,...."

How did he become the only begotten son before his resurrection?

@truthislight

Is Michael an ordinary angel?

@ijawkid

One of the Chief princes is not referring to joint princes of God and those of Satan. They are not of the same kingdom. There are other princes who are not cheifs.

Can you please list out the other princes in Gods camp??.......

Maybe you can put Jesus on the list .......uh??.....

The whole of daniel 10 discussed about many princes and there names were mentioned...........if you feel there are other princes in Gods camp you can mention them.....

This michael was both a prince and the arch angel......my brother only Jesus run those roles........except we have to agree that micheal and Jesus are twin brothers with equal authority and power........

This great prince fights against the prince of persia and was to fight against the prince of greece....and that same great prince chased satan out of the heavens,would come in the last days and would ressurect the dead.......

These parallels are just so glaring for one to ignore my bro.............

The funny thing is that the atheists are denying that they aint working for the devil(satan)...........the OP said it all..............


Its good to know on whose side y'all atheists are...............

That would be the greatest lie ever told on nairaland...........

Mr_Anony: You didn't understand the analogy but all the same let me help you. Of course GEJ is one President in the same way we have one God. This should tell you immediately that for the bible to say Christ is equal with the father, it can only mean that Christ is God. Note Christ is not the Father but the Father and the Son are both equally God.

Lol........truthislife just helped explain how Jesus who although subsisted in Gods form chose to come to the earth as a man.........I'm happy you know we have just one president in nigeria and that evryother nigerian is GEJ's subordinate......

For someone who is as intelligent as you to still hold on to this confused doctrine(trinity) baffles me..........

Paul never said Christ was equal to his Father,rather your trinity mind set is what is making you draw that conclusion........if he(paul) meant Jesus was equal with his GOD and Father then 1 corinthians 11:3 would be a lie and also Jesus' own words that the Father is greater than he is.........
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A servant can't be equal with his master.........

And this thread is all about Jesus being Yahwehs servant..................

free123: i cant be telling u all this; u know better my bros.

Sorry my bro...I don't know..........the witnesses don't sell there journals.......

Again don't let your hatred for the witnesses make you assume stuffs up.............

If you had brought out just one journal of the witnesses with a fixed price this discussion would have ended a long time ago......you forget that 90 percent of the contributions made towards encouraging the priniting of the magazines are done by JW's......the public makes free will donation if they wish to....and only those who are interested get the magazines......and for many who may not be able to make free will donations due to lack of funds,these magazines are giving free to such persons irrespective of the volume of the book..........

For you to come out here to say the witnesses sell there magazines just outrightly shows you hate them.............

Mr_Anony: Clearly the analogy is lost on you.

Its not......it doesn't just fit........GEJ has no equals as far as nigeria is concerned........so using" the equality with GEJ"" analogy doesn't work......

Jesus can't be equal to His GOD and Father.....there is no analogy in this world that can refute that potent truth....

Mr_Anony: Lol, this is just you trying to twist the analogy out of context. My point has been made.

What point??......

That although you are equal with GEJ but. You choose to humble yourself to be part of the nairaland religion section.........who in the whole of nigeria would agree that someone(a nigerian) is equal to GEJ the commander in chief of the armed forces??....only a new born baby would agree.......your analogy cannot even stand..........as far as nigeria is concerned GEJ has no equals to start with.......

free123: no fixed price... depends on the convincing power of the seller

Lol...you be yeye boy....lol.........

So how then is it selling??.......

Are profits made??....

Mr_Anony: So I repeat, Christ chose to humble Himself even though He was equal with God and become flesh and blood for our sakes.

From Gods stand point Jesus was been obedient just as expected of a servant and a son.......from a human stand point Jesus was humble by agreeing to be made flesh and blood and to dwell amongst men...........Jesus dwelling with imperfect humans is where his humility was outstandingly shown,..........
Jesus did what he ought to have done,obeying his Yahweh who is his GOD and FATHER.....there is nothing about Jesus being equal with his Father but being humble in order to obey his Father,,.........God obeys and serves no one and he has no equals..........

Mr_Anony: Now with this in mind Matthew 26 becomes easy to understand because we now know that at the point when Christ was on earth, He was acting in humility to the father so it should follow that He was submitting to the Father's will. Remember that part of His prayer also was ".....And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was."(John 17:5)

Why would Jesus ask God to glorify Him? and notice the glory He is demanding here; He is demanding for the same glory as God the Father has and also He is claiming that they had this glory together before the world existed. No man or angel would dare make such a "blasphemous" prayer unless of course that it is true.

Jesus was talking about the glory he had with the Father as the firstborn of all creation,....

For the fact that Jesus would request or even pray to God to restore the priviledges and glory he had before the world was should tell you that Jesus wasn't talking to his equal....Jesus should have just done the restoration himself....why ask your equal to grant you glory and splendor when you can grant yourself??.....why ask in the first place??.....

free123: do u consider what u do as preaching? it is called house to house selling of magazines. do u do ur so called preaching without dishing out magazines to sell?

for ur record, i do not hate u or mr. frosbel but i hate the falsehood u peddle.

How much is the magazine??......since you say the witnesses sell there magazines can you please tell us right here and right now @ least the price of one of there journals??......

Mr_Anony: I believe that verse is pretty straightforward. If I say I didn't want to take advantage of my equality to the president, but chose to humble myself, it can only mean that I am equal to the president but I am just being humble.

Don't twist the meaning just because you don't agree by default.

While the president who is your equal would end up been the proud person since he does the sending while you always obey..........

Why can't you for once tell GEJ(your equal) to be humble and run errands for you here on nairaland so that you can rest and also feel like the boss............

You forget that Jesus was obeying and doing his Fathers will apart from the fact that he was humble............

Atheist:-D:
Ok, your 2 heaven philosophy has to be modified for the format. So here goes. There are 2 heavens or rather 1 heaven (where God resides) and earth. 144000 will be taken to participate in the experience of heaven with God. The structure for heaven is below with my comments. What about the earth? Who will populate earth and can you give me some details on it in regards to the questions I asked earlier?

The earth would be populated by righteous persons who had also obeyed God before the destruction of the wicked...it would be just as noah and his family survived the flood.......
Psalms 37:9 gives us a clue..

##..Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Because the wicked are destroyed and those
who hope in Lord Jehovah inherit the Earth.
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Also psalms 37:29

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And the righteous ones inherit the Earth and
dwell upon it for eternity.
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Always remember that Gods purpose for the earth hasn't changed.......and that purpose is that faithful and righteous humans dwell on it forever....

Atheist:-D:
So what type of atmosphere will heaven have? Is it hot? Cold? Sunny etc?

Lol......this question is so funny.......the atmosphere would be peaceful...that I'm sure of.........

Atheist:-D:
What standards are those? Will the 144000 be made aware of the standards? Your answer is very vague. It does not tell us what will be done in heaven.

The same standards faithful angels have been following is what the elect would have to follow too.....

Atheist:-D:
So no Noah? No Abraham or David? Why not? Dont they deserve to enjoy heaven? They had a close relationship with God and now they are not part of the 144000?

YES..........remember it was through abraham that the elects are been blessed and having the priviledge to rule alongside with Christ...abraham would spend eternity on earth....that doesn't make him less important than those elected......everlasting life is all that matters,not where it is spent.....

Atheist:-D:
GULP Even John the Baptist? Surely Elijah will be there? He was taken up into heaven already apparently?

.......elijah didn't go to the heavens Yahweh resides....scriptures later tells us that elijah sent a prophetic message after that incident were he was taken to the heavens(atmosphere) with fiery chariots...and Jesus also confirms that no man ascended into the heavens except himself that descended.....so elijah has the great priviledge of been ressurected to spend eternal life on a new earth.......

Atheist:-D:
Hmmmm.... no trade by barter etc. Okaaayyy....

Wetin them wan trade?? Abi them wan sell pepper and tomatoes??..lol.......

Atheist:-D:
No boom and busts

Hahahahaha.....NAAAAAA....take ya time o....you think say na party go dey happen for heaven??.........

Atheist:-D:
No poverty or wealth

No......Yahweh supplies every individuals needs....besides spirit creatures aint worried about that like I said earlier......

Atheist:-D:
No technology hmmmm.......

No need for that.....Yahweh is more than any technology you can think of......

Atheist:-D:
So no leaving heaven at all?

Nope......they'll be there with Jesus for all eternity.....

Atheist:-D:
I heard that angels can have sex. Do you agree with that?

Yeah I do....they were renegade angels who chose to materialize to have s-ex with the daughters of men..........they engaged in such mis conduct here on earth,and not there in the heavens......

Atheist:-D:
So what happens if we disagree with Gods judgement? Will we be cast out? Punished through a penal (incarceration and separation from the general public) means or some other form of punishment? Arent disputes part of free will?

With satan and his demons cast out of heaven and destroyed I don't think there'll be anymore renegades to incite rebellion......all spirit creatures would be subject to Yahweh and his Son....there won't be disputes......the prophecies in revelation already tells us that....

Atheist:-D:
Ok. Does God rule alone or does He delegate some duties? If He delegates then who to, why, what is delegated and how are the delegates selected?

God is the oga kpata kpata......he sits on his grand throne and gives the command to his son,who in turn leads the all the heavenly hosts in carrying out his Fathers purpose.......

Rulership is delegated to Jesus and the elect.............

Kay 17: If we must worship the Bible for its scienific truths, then we must worship the Greek philosophers, finding out about stars, about an atom, about the CORRECT shape of the earth, about biology, about geometry, astronomy, medicine with the best precise language they have.

And these all happened thousands of years before Jesus.

No one is saying worship the bible....we are saying applaud the scriptures for its authenticity...besides these men who penned down those truths through inspiration were never philosophers...they were not schooled people..........they were illetrates........

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Y'all atheist are not sincere people.......

Logicboy03: Bill Gates is an atheist

Steve Jobs was a Zen Buddhist

That doesn't change anything...........

When did bill gates become an atheist??.........

Boomark: Daniel 10:13
New International Version (NIV)
13 But the prince of the Persian
kingdom resisted me twenty-one
days. Then Michael, one of the chief
princes, came to help me, because I
was detained there with the king
of Persia.

Chief/foremost princes is not just one person. They are more than one. Michael is the prince of the people.

And the other princes are the prince of persia ,prince of babylon,prince of the anglo/american world power.........

Jesus is the prince of Gods people(both the natural isrealites back then and the isreal of God today)...........


That same daniel mentioned the other foremost princes........

I had always wanted to attend a school outside the niger delta region............here in the niger delta you'll never hear such news about 78 persons making 1st class in any of the universities(federal/ state)........the lecturers are so wicked and would barely encourage hard work............they just love seeing industrious students fail instead of supporting them to achieve there goals...........smh!!!!......

OAU I hail ona!!!!.........

musKeeto: I'm sure he also voted GEJ because GEJ's a Xtian.. What a mentality..

Lol.......

Why are these persons going to the pilgrimage sef??...its total .waste of money......and I dislike that MARK....he is a charlatan........

Logicboy03: Does it matter? Windows, Apple, Sony etc

Lol....funny you.....at what point in time in the lives of these guys did they adopt atheism and how did that affect there knowledge or intelligence??......... who were there colleagues??were they all atheists??......

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Evil Brain: Is this sarcasm?

One quick question. How come the "all knowing god" never told his chosen people to boil their water before drinking it? Imagine how many millions of lives he could have saved with this simple instruction.

How come all the "scientific" laws in the bible were things that were obvious and well known to ancient peoples? Like "only shít outside the camp" (even ancient people didn't like the smell of shít). Or keep those with contagious diseases separate from the rest of the people (duh!).

And why all the misogynistic rules against menstruating women? What's the scientific basis for that?

This is my problem with you guys....have you espoused the bible for its accuracy when facts concerning the shape of the earth and its positioning arises??....

It has been revealed centuries before now through prophets of God that the earth is spherical and hanging on nothing,,,,,,.....

Go deal with that first before you start your criticism....

How else would anyone know back then that the earth was hanging on nothing if not through inspiration??.......there wasn't no space ship,shuttles and saTtelites,yet these men perfectly described the earths position....

Your bile for the scriptures would never let you acknowledge that.....

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Bottom line:::::.....God gave his people laws on hygiene that was for there own good and that the scriptures contains scientific facts long before scientist started perusing the universe to know these facts......

free123: what can be worse than Jehovah's witness' indoctrination?

It seems you do hate the witnesses.......wetin them do you??.....them kidnap your parents??......

obadiah777: WELL YOU KNOW ALL ISSUES OF DEATH IS FROM THE LORD ( I KNOW THIS IS ONE SCRIPTURE YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME ON LOLZ.) BUT I GOT THE VERSES. PSALMS 68 VS 20, 1 SAMUEL 2 VS 6, DEUTERONOMY 32 VS 39, AMOS 3 VS 6, ISAIAH 45 VS 7, LAMENTATIONS 3 VS 38. SO THESE ARE JUDGEMENTS BEEN HANDED OUT. SCRIPTURE DO SAY THE LORD WILL NOT MAKE A RIGHTEOUS PERSON PERISH ( JOB 4 VS 7 ) ( JOB 8 VS 20 ). EITHER WAY, GOD KNOWS BEST. MALTINA SOUNDS MIGHT FINE

I know for sure that some of these greedy men are reaping what they must have sown sometime ago......

you know I'll always disagree with you when it concerns innocent persons............

Hope you'll be coming to naija soon...??...

No fear ya country o...lol...

obadiah777: LMAO. DUNNO BOUT THE DRINK BRAH. I AM 6 DAYS SOBER I WANT TO GIVE IT UP ENTIRELY. THE THING DEY DRAIN MY VITAMINS AND MINERALS.BUT WE GO CELEBRATE WITH VITAMALT LOLZ. BROS HOW NAIJA ? OH BOY THAT FRONTPAGE, NA SCARY NEWS WE DEY HEAR SHA. TODAY NA TRAILER PLUNGE, TOMORROW NA PLANE, THEN HELICOPTER, THEN BOKO HARAM, THEN FLOOD, THEN CHARLIE BOY BUTT NEKKID IN MAGAZINE <<

My bro na so o........bad news all over naija.......smh!!!!....

As for charlie boy just leave that mad man alone.......na to do yeye things him sabi........

The helicopter crash took place in bayelsa my state......the governor was on a frolic movement when this dilemma caught up with him..........you know how naija politicians move about unnecessarily........

My bro its just sad news everywhere......
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I can get maltina or some pepsi if heineken would drain your system....lol.......

Atheist:-D:
Good stuff. I have some more questions to flesh out a more accurate description. Also, according to you heaven already exists so I can assume everything is already in place. Your heaven is different from obadiahs

Obadiah has focused more on the new heavens,which as defined earlier is Gods heavenly government,which his son is the appointed king of that government.........

My points here are to explain the abode(heaven) Yahweh resides and what life would be like for those who will be going there to spend eternity..........

They will rule alongside with Christ from the heavens over the earth(new earth),of which there would be inhabitants....
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obadiah777: YOU ARE RIGHT. AND I DID ERR A LITTLE YESTERDAY. YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW I KNOW THAT THE ARCHANGEL MICHEAL IS CHRIST ? CHRIST IS FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH AND CAME TO DIE FOR ISRAEL. MATTHEW 15 VS 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. <<<< SO CHRIST IS AN ISRAELITE FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH ( HEBREW 7 VS 14 ) WHO CAME TO GIVE SALVATION TO THE ELECT OF ISRAEL.

AND IN SPEAKING TO DANIEL, ALSO AN ELECT OF ISRAEL THIS IS WHAT THE LORD TOLD HIM

DANIEL 12 VS 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people <<< JESUS AS MICHEAL STANDING UP FOR DANIELS PEOPLE WHO WILL BE ISRAEL. CASE CLOSED

Now you see why we are twin brothers....let's drink to this...

Oya make I go buy 2 bottles of heineken.........

Its all about precept upon precepts bro.....