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@ Op,

Wrong thread in cartalk. Please close this thread and start another in autos section. Dont kill this section with your thread pls.

Ikenna.

klairekk: House please can any one furnish me with the price of EW 10 engine for peugeout 406.

Do you think a 2.0 block engine is OK for a travelling short distance often.

please treat as urgent for a decision making

EW10 (2.0) is good for city use.

Ikenna.

cinzo: Hi house, I want to know the best to use out of the 2 oils. Nissan manual says they will recommend mineral based oil in as much as it meets the API quality and SAE viscosity rating specified for the vehicle in question.

They made no mention of synthetic oil which leads me to ask if mineral based oil are superior?

Opinion please.

Synthetic should be superior, but there is nothing wrong with the mineral oil, as long as you regularly change the oil at the recommended mileage.

Ikenna.

[quote author=klairekk][/quote]All Peugeot engines can be rebuilt to run like new. Why? Because Peugeot engines have piston Liners, otherwise known as Sleeves. Unlike the Japanese engines and other brands that their piston run on cylinder walls, which if failed, will have to be machined and a bigger sized Piston replaced with the standard one to match. Doing that reduces the strength of the engine. But with Peugeot, the piston and the liners are sold as standard, together with the crankshaft jounal bearings. But its more expensive to rebuild, if you can afford the original parts. They are available for sale in Licenced Peugeot Dealerships all over the country.

I wouldnt know the price of a used/tokunbo EW10. But i bet it will cost upto 100k or more.

Ikenna.

@ ThomasJohn & Euroclydon;

Have you contacted Frenchbase? He is car dealer that is based in France, who ships 406 from France (LHD) and sells in Nigeria. You can find out from hime if he has one available now. The last time i checked, he shipped EW10 406 and have sold it. You can checked the link below and contact him from there.

https://www.nairaland.com/901227/peugeot-406-2.0l-engine-16v#10473380


Ikenna.

406 sold massively all over the world, not just in UK & Australia that had the RHD version. UK 406s are very cheap, hence, reason why they are everywhere in Nigerian markets as Tokunbo. But i consider that foolishness on the part of the Nigerian car dealers. I also blame anyone that buys the RHD 406, since the person knows that its against the law and that the RHD 406 is not the only option to own one. So many LHD European countries had 406. And in actual fact, the UK market had few petrol version of 406, since the inhabitants of UK are diesel freaks. They had more of HDIs than the petrol version, hence, very few V6 version were sold in UK.

Please, stay away from any converted car. Talking from experience. No matter how the conversion was done, it will never be like the factory. Its simply a modifcation, not a swap or replacement. There is nothing wrong with modificstions if done right. But, modification that is not based on improvement is not worth it. Something can be modified in a vehicle to work, because the replacement couldnt be found. In that case, the owner is interested for it to work, even if its not given 100%. You can modify an I-4 to V6. But the car would still lack some V6 specifications, no matter how good the conversion is. But that is better than the RHD to LHD conversion, since its for an improvement.

Always remember that those spots that were panel beated during the conversion will in future start rusting, whether you like it or not. The car will never be as sound-proofed as the factory, since some of the firewall insulators must have been removed during the conversion.

Stay away from the RHD 406, when you still can. There are thousands of the LHD 406 out there. Just have to be patient enough to find one of them. Always remember that UK wasnt the only Europeans that had 406. Other Eurpean countries even had more better versions, like the EW12 & V6.

Ikenna

Trac,

I don't think you understood Cretin. What we have here in the market is coolant, not antifreeze. The label on a bottle TOTAL coolant, that I use, states its pre-mixed (Mixture of water & anti-freeze). And the instruction on the bottle is not to mix it again with water. Now the percentage of the mixture is what I wouldnt know. Those that do 70:30 of water and coolant may not have faith that it was properly mixed. Otherwise, you do not need to mix it with water again, hence, the antifreeze will be so diluted that it wont do it work anymore. That's why i buy from reputable brand: TOTAL. To be sure to some extent that what they claim is the content is what it is.



To Op and everyone,

I dont spend time anymore trying to convince Nigerians need to use coolant and leave the cooling systems as factory as they come. Its a mind set problem with Nigerians. They already strongly believed that removing cooling system thermostat, using water only in the cooling system and connecting the radiator electric fans to spin constantly are the best for vehicles in Nigeria, because of our weather, they would claim. How ignorant people can be. Sometimes, Nigerians think that its only here that weather temp can be as high as 35 - 40 degree centigrade. I was discussing with a friend in Canada the other day and he told me that sometimes they do have 45 degree C. Yet all their vehicles run with T-stat, coolant and factory fan control via CTS or radiator sensor. I really wonder who must have sold Nigerians that Idea, that our vehicle cooling systems can run as factory in Nigeria. Of course, we prefer to depend on what those clowns who do not understand what is EFI & how ECU works. They fail to understand that engines with EFIs depend or work with the engine cooling system, if the cooling system is not even part of the EFI, considering its design and functions.



For op,

Are you really aware of what you have done to your car by what you did to it trying to fix the overheating issue. Simply put, you have signed death warrant for that engine. Making the fan to run constantly would always make your engine to run cold because it will never allow the fluid in the cooling system to warm to normal operating engine temperature. First, the fan's motor will soon die, because it wasnt design to run spin constantly. Second, the car fuel economy will suffer, because the fluid will always be cold, below normal operating temp, and the CTS will always signal to the ECU that your engine is cold, hence, the ECU will constantly be commanding the injectors to spray in excess fuel into the combustion chambers. Third, the engine would be having improper lubrication. Because the oil will always be thick, since the engine is always cold, hence, the engine oil wont be light enough to lubricate the cylinder heads, crankshaft jounals and other engine parts that needs constant lubrication while engine is running. Your engine will be having a severe friction, which will soon lead to blue smoke from the exhaust, severe wear of crankshaft jounals, bearings and eventually, the death of the engine. Mark my words. Its on its way.

For those that use only water in their cooling system, you are not off the hook. Water takes ages to warm up. If you doubt me, disconnect that your fan that run constantly in the morning before you start your car for the first time, start the car, allow it to idle. You will see that it will take it upto 20 mins or more for the temp guage to rise to the middle of the guage. That means that your vehicle will always be running rich (consuming excess fuel) for a long time, every first 30 mins in the morning, and will also be having friction issues more than it should. Yes, every first start in the morning, there must be a friction. But how long it continues is determined by what you use as fluid for your cooling system. For first start in the morning for an engine that runs with coolant, it will take the temp only between 2 to 5 mins to rise to 70 to 90 degree C (normal optimal temp). Meaning that your engine will only consume excess fuel withing seconds of starting the car and will continuously be decreasing as the temp rises within the first 5 mins of starting the car, likewise with the lubrication of the engine. The higher the temp, the lighter the engine oil for proper engine lubrication. That coolant the manufacturers recommend was not to waste yout money. They aren't fools.

Op, if you had googled your question, you would have not had need to start this thread. A lot of thread have treated a similar problems of yours on this forum. You would have gotten the solution to your overheating issues from those threads. Always know that people have works and maynot always have time to be frequenting Nairaland. Solutions are out there somewhere. You just have to be patient enough to find it. You could still still start a thread, but don't rush into trying to work with with the little info you have gathered until have checked every other treated similar issues. If I were you, I would revert back to factory and simple diagnose and fix the overheating issue. What you did wasnt a fix, but you ended up creating more nightmares for yourself that awaits you.

Ikenna.

thomasjohn: most that i've come across are converted ones, i inspected 3 very clean ones but all converted from RHD to LHD.
but i'll keep searching.

Whatever you do, please stay away from the converted ones. No matter how long it takes, you will still find the standard LHD EW10 manual tranny 406.

Ikenna.

jedisco: Man stop tempting me o

I'm will try and wait till Nokia world in September to see which direction symbian is going and the new devices they would release but that phone is something else
BTW how much is it? I've been trying to ascertain the price locally

130 k

Ikenna.

Am now a proud owner of brand new Symbian running Nokia 808 PureView. I bought it this evening here in Abuja, at Wuse II.

Man! This phone is something else. 41 megapixel is something one would never imagine that a symbian phone would have. Yet, am staring at it, right in front of me. I love Nokia.

From the shop I bought it, they had only two: a black & a white colour. I chose/picked the black. So the white is remaining. But am not sure it will stay in that shop beyond tomorrow.

Kudos to Nokia for this powerful Symbian device!

Ikenna.

thomasjohn: some models have a speed of 230km/h while some have 250km/h, what does that difference tell?
does it differentiate the type of engine?

the one in the pic has 250

I think nearly all Nigerian manfactured 406 have the 250km/h as top speed on instrument cluster (am not sure o!). You can check the instrument cluster of 406 manufactured in Nigeria, especially the one with Prestige badge,

the EW12 406 is a rare car. Not all countries got the EW12 model & Nigeria is one of them.

Ikenna.

thomasjohn: Ikenna pls which model is the attached pic? does it have the EW10 Engine and is it 2001?

You cannot tell from a 406 interior what engine model is inside the engine bay. One need to see the engine bay to tell. So picture alone might not be enough. Though there might be some slight differences.

the interior, or rather, the side mirror in that pic shows that its a 2nd series 406, which the production started in 1999 & ended in 2004 in Europe. So, it could be 2001 model or any model between 1999 & 2004.



Ikenna.

Midecuc: Ew10 eng is the best for 406,i use my own for 2yrs and still using it without any problem,cheap eng part,availabity easy to mantain than ew12

How do you know EW10 is easier to maintain than EW12? Have you owned EW12 before?

Ikenna.

kcstyle40: Thanks to you guys for the advice... But which brand or type/model of car is a caburetor engine pls ..

You can get a fuel carburetted engine in Golf 2, Nissan Sunny & other similar sized cars of that era. Am not sure of Toyota Camry. Am not saying an EFI engine wont serve you well, I only recommended the other for your peace of mind & for less expenses when something goes wrong.

Ikenna.

To add to what ba_alliyah has said, stay away from auto tranny, considering your financial strength. Maintaining an auto trans car is a nigthmare you wont like to venture into. Get a trouble-free Manual tranny small car, so that you can pay more attention to other mechanical issues as they come up. Don't say you were not told.

If possible, go for a fuel carbureted engine car, to save your self from sensors wahala! I hope you know how much it cost to scan an EFI engine, which you will be doing regularly, considering that it will be used/registered car, which of course must have been abused electrically, by Nigerian clowns that call themselves rewires. Unless you can afford to buy your own scanner. With carburetor engine, all you will need to be doing is cleaning or servicing the carburetor, which cost about N500 or 1k at most, once in a while.

I don talk my own!

Ikenna

yungboss: yes thats true man, i could remember the 505 sti, with aa different body sort of, from the regular body. It had these big/emphatic bumpers, and a different looking headlamps, then i used to look at speedometers alot
yes thats true man, i could remember the 505 sti, with a different body sort of, from the regular body. It had these big/emphatic bumpers, and a different looking headlamps, it had 250km/h on it. Those were really great cars...how did the 504 series 2 (this was a very different version of the regular 504. Differnt dash, 5gear manual) compare to the 505?

The facelifted (2nd series) 504 was only produced and sold in Nigeria, Argentina and China. Europe and North America never got the 2nd series. 504 production and sale in Europe stopped in 1983. The production continued in Nigeria till 2005. Funny enough, the 504 production & sales continued in China till 2009. Strange, isnt it? That goes to tell you how damn good the car was, because if there were no demands for them, their wouldnt have been production of them till 2009. People had realised that those RWD Peugeots couldnt be replaced with their new products, in terms of the ruggedness, reliablity and durabilty. The only bullet-proofed cars Peugeot ever produced. I use both (RWD & FWD) and needed not to be told the difference.

Let me not derail this thread that much with Peugeot thing again. Am happy I have the KING of them all in my name.

Ikenna.

yungboss: man, ur car looks sweet! But the view is far... Is it evolution 505 or gti...my family member had one in those days, it had 260km/h on the dash...

Evolution or gti? You must be kidding me. It has V6 badge.

505 Evolution was only manufactured in Nigeria, for Nigerian markets and other African countries, hence, the 3rd world countries. It got only XN1A (Inline 4 cylinder fuel carbureted engine).

505 GTI was manufactured and sold in only Europe, Australia and some Asian countries. The GTI specs wasnt for Nigerian market, since we couldnt have afforded it then, i.e. it wouldnt have sold much in Nigeria because of the financial strength of Nigerians. Thats why Nigerians got the lower specs: SR, GL, GR and Evolution, in which all had the XN1 ( carburetor engine). GTI got only ZDJL (Inline 4 Electronic Fuel Injection engine). Some American Spec I-4 Natural Aspirated engine 505s got the ZDJL.

505 V6 was only manufactured and sold in Europe, North America and Japan. Never saw the shores of any African countries as new. It was way beyond our league in that era. Many countries that waited patiently to get the V6 couldnt because not much was produced. The production of the V6 started in 1986, at the time when the production of 505 was coming to an end. So few thousands of them were produced and sold. The lucky ones that got them wouldnt let them go. Those that couldnt get them had no option than to go for Volvo 760 GLE, since the car had the same engine in 505 V6, hence the PRV(Peugeot , Renault & Volvo). But then, Volvo is not 505. The PRV V6 engine, ZN3J, in 505 behaves differently from the Volvo 760 with the same engine. Even those that have driven or owned foreign assembled 4 cylinder 505s would attest that they behave & handle differently from the Nigerian assembled 505s, not to talk of the V6. The 3 car companies, Peugeot, Renault & Volvo came together in Douvrin France and jointly produced the V6 engine used by them and other car manufacturers in that era. The PRV V6 engines were sold from 1974 to 1998, when the 3 companies went their ways to produce their own V6 engines. The American 505 V6s got STX, GTX and STI badges. Then, 505 V6 was a rare car to find and very few now exist, that is, if you find one that is ready to give up his. The car is rare, but not the engine because Volvo, Renault, Citreon and some other European car companies used the engine in most of their products (cars) in that era. So parts availabilty has never been a problem to us, the few owners.

Ikenna.

yungboss: still cant see it, is it appearing on the body of ur post?

Bo back to page 2 of this thread.

Ikenna.

yungboss: still cant see it, is it appearing on the body of ur post?

Yes. Two of them.

Ikenna.

yungboss: maybe its too large, check the size. Its limited to 200kb. My bmw pic is on my profile, i resized/edited it to 172kb

They have attached.

Ikenna.

yungboss: ik i cant see the pic, i want to see ur ride

Pics are not uploading? How do i upload?

Ikenna.

Have a look at my BABY, the Peugeot 505 V6 5 speed Manual, THE KING OF LIONS!

See how aggressive it looks, compared to the Toyota Collora in front of it.

Picture was taken at office parking space.

Ikenna.

Trac, for the first time, I disagree with you on your theory on V6.

Am not here to talk about the I6 or dispute the fact that is good. Am not a theorist or an idealist, but a realist. I dont talk about what i dont know of or have not used. I havent driven or used an I6, So i cant comment on what i dont know. But i have heard how sweet an I6 could sound when on high rev. A school of thought argues that I6 performs better, while another school of thought will swear by V6 performance. Like I said, am not a theorist. But I have seen BMW I6 in action & could say they are damn machines!

Now to your theory on the V6. Its wrong for you to say all V6 are flawed engines. I dont know the V6s you have used that made you conclude so. I have two PRVs. Guess what? Each are 90 degrees V6s, not 60 degrees. I know where you are going with the 90 degrees: the imbalance. But guess what again? My two PRVs have Balance shaft on each of their right cylinder banks. The first generation PRV (90 degrees) suffered the mechanical imbalance because it was an odd-fire engine, hence the vibrations. But then the second generation PRV that the Renault 25 introduced, was an even-fire 90 degree V6. The balancer shaft in the even-fire PRV made it one of the smoothest & sweetest running V6 ever produced in that era, hence the elimination of engine vibration. The higher you rev the engine, the smoother & sweeter it sounds. Hence, the V6 songs!

I was driving to Enugu from my hometown, Awkuzu, on Onitsha-Enugu expressway with my brother last January, with my 605 V6 5sp manual. At a point, he asked me " how come the car is so soundless at the speed I was doing (which i dont want to mention here), as if there is no engine in the engine bay?" He was impressed. At that speed I was doing, he couldnt believe there was no vibration of any form, no engine sound heard (which we would have been hearing harsh engine sound with most I4) & the car was tearing the wind effortlessly. Yes, I could say effortlessly because I was the one driving. I knew how light i depressed the throttle pedal, which I was barely accelerating, yet the car was flying, you could say that. Since that day, he was converted, a V6 believer! The other day, he called me & was so excited that he saw a Peugeot 406 V6 for sale where he stays. But sadly, didnt have the financial strength to take the car home, make it his. A truely converted V6 fellow! I felt sad too.

Should we talk about my RWD Peugeot 505 V6 5 speed manual? Lets not even go there. Test-drive one & your theory will change, if you can still find one, anyway. I believe a lot of 60 degree V6 owners out there will have one or two things they will say too about theirs, how difficult it is for them to leave the V6 world because of the performances of the V6s they own or have owned. Like I said, am a realist, not an idealist.

Ikenna.

thomasjohn: Thankk you very much for you input, but d EW10 does 170-180km wit so much ease and stays very stable at that speed.
that would be ok for me since thats nomally my threshold.

Yes, it does. And being a Manual trans, driving a long distance with the car will be fun.

Its not always about how much speed a car do on Nigerian highway, but how quick the car is. This is where engine torque comes in, not just only the hp. What will make your car to overtake a long queue of 5 crawling big trucks/Trailers on our single highways within a second or two on low rpm is your engine torque. And manual trans makes it more pleasurable when in the action.

Ikenna.

The EW12 is more powerful like you said, more hp & engine torque than the EW10, which will be more pleasurable & fun to drive on long distance.

What I donot know is the availability of parts, since the 406 assembled/manufactured in Nigeria never had the EW12, but the EW7 & EW10 (though more of EW10). But i wont be surprised that if EW10 & EW12 share the same engine parts. The difference usually is in the engine induction, the Cylinder head, piston & sleeve sizes. I would advice that you google for the images of the EW10 & 12 engines to see if they look the same. If so, then all sensors & components will be the same. You dont get to change Piston & sleeve all the time, for you to be bothered, except if you blow up your head gasket, you maynot find the EW12 head gasket here, unless you source for it outside the country. But that will be if the 2 head gaskets arent the same.

The EW10 is also good. At least 145 hp & 197 Nm isnt bad for the EW10. But I would choose the V6 over the 2, without even blinking, if I have the purchasing power now. But thats me, anyway.

Ikenna.

ZUBY77: This sounds good. So if i go to spare parts market, what will i be looking for?
I mean the tools for the electric conversion and how to do it.

I took some pics while I was doing the conversion, which I always do whenever am working on my car. The pics will explain everything. But the pics will need to be resized to be able to upload them here. Will do that tomorrow at office.

Ikenna.

ZUBY77: The only problem i have with mine is radiator. It overheates if it stands on a hold up for about 20 minutes or more. I changed the radiator from the one it came with. I actually bought it myself in Berlin Germany and thats why its difficult for me to dispose. the car overall balance on motion is perfect. It dusts all the toyotas on a freeway

Most times, the overheating issues with BMWs & Benz in Nigeria has nothing to do with the radiator sizes but the Viscous mechanical cooling fan.

RWD cars do come with Viscous fan, as factory. The fan is mechanical, but not as the mechanical fans bolted to the engine/water pump, as found in Peugeot 504/505 assembled in Nigeria. The Viscous fan uses clutch & spin independently from the water pump shaft, as engine spins. The speed of the fan wont be enough to suck heat out of the radiator. But as soon as the engine temp tries to rise beyond optimal temp, the fan will de-clutch & engage with the water pump shaft & will be driven by the shaft. Thats when the fan starts it work, sucking out heat or pushing in cool air through the radiator to reduce the hot temp of the fluid inside.

All am saying is, if the viscous fan clutch fails, the fan will stop doing its work, even though you will see it spinning, but not speed enough to do the cooling work. Over there in the western world, they understand how the Viscous fan works & would simply replace it when the fan's clutch fails. But here, we would blame the radiator & would always complain that Benz & BMW are peculiar with overheating issue.

The way out: Electric fan conversion.

My Peugeot 505 V6 had the same Viscous mechanical fan, being a foreign assembled Lion. The fan's clutch at a point failed. I made attempt to replace it. Actually bought a used one at APO mechanic Village here in Abuja (since new wont be available, which I didnt bother to check, anyway). The used one I bought too failed to work & overheated the engine the day i swapped it in. I then simply did the electric fan conversion & have been having peace of mind since then. I did the conversion myself. Infact, i now gained more hp out of the engine, since the mechanical fan saps power from the engine (though i now miss the roaring sound of the engine a bit, not all). Electric fan also increases the fuel economy.

If I were you, I would simply convert it to electric. And its an easy installation. You will have so much to gain from the conversion.

Ikenna.

Hi Pek,

Am not an auto transmission expert, but can chip one or two.

Where is the speed sensor mounted? Is it on the gearbox or the Bell housing? If its on the gearbox, did the newly replaced gearbox come with its speed sensor or the speed sensor on the old gearbox was removed & installed on the present gearbox in the car?

If the sensor is mounted on the gearbox & the present gearbox speed sensor is giving you the similar failure symptom of the other, thats weird. Either something is causing the failure of the sensor or the issue is not the sensor, but with the socket, harness or connection. If there is any form of loose contact or disconnection of the harness between the sensor & the transmission ecu, the ECU wont receive the signal or complete signal from the sensor & there wont be proper shifting of the transmission, since the ecu works with the signal received from the sensor to determine when the transmission shifts to a higher or lower gear, depending on the speed or rpm( the signal).

If I were you, I would first test/check the resistance value of the sensor to confirm its still reading the factory values or below. But if the sensor is mounted on the Bell housing or elsewhere, other than the gearbox, then the sensor may actually be the culprit. But it wouldnt hurt to test the sensor anyway, before condemning it. Be sure by checking that the connections, sockets or harness of the speed sensor are ok. Its what i would first do. Goodluck.

Ikenna.

icemann: I agree Power doesn't win a race but, You should consider power to weight ratio and like you said the handling of a car.
Porsche has mastered the art of putting a Turbocharged V6 on a light weight chassis and they perform well at bends. Even if you can zoom past a Porsche in a straight line they will zoom past you at EVERY BEND

You do not own a Porsche and i would not advice you to use your 505 to race a BMW 330i E46.Its sure gonna be a funny sight.
Its like BRING A SWORD TO A GUN FIGHT. YOU WOULD GET SHOT BEFORE YOUR SWORD COME OUT OF ITS SHEATH. Save your self the embarrassment.

And you should know that in a car race, it is not the most fastest car that wins the race.

Ikenna.

icemann: I agree Power doesn't win a race but, You should consider power to weight ratio and like you said the handling of a car.
Porsche has mastered the art of putting a Turbocharged V6 on a light weight chassis and they perform well at bends. Even if you can zoom past a Porsche in a straight line they will zoom past you at EVERY BEND

You do not own a Porsche and i would not advice you to use your 505 to race a BMW 330i E46.Its sure gonna be a funny sight.
Its like BRING A SWORD TO A GUN FIGHT. YOU WOULD GET SHOT BEFORE YOUR SWORD COME OUT OF ITS SHEATH. Save your self the embarrassment.

Am sorry to be blunt here " You do not own a 505 V6 5sp manual Euro version without Cat Converter" to tell me how it behaves when on top speed. If you have never driven something, dont talk about it. You may have driven a 505 in your life, but not a V6 one with Bosch O 280 001 507 Injection ECU. Some 505 V6 produce more hp & are more aggressive than others, which was why i stated the ECU part number above. Dont be noisy in the world you do not know. Speak for BMW alone please.

Read all my post here, I never said my type of 505 V6 is faster than any car. I only explained it strength & what other users who have owned a 505 V6, BMW & Benz felt about the car. ZN3J, the PRV engine in my 505 V6 is Naturally aspirated engine, meaning, it produces its top hp naturally. Not some Turbo engine that cant produce a shit if not for the turbos attached to the engine. Some 505 enthusiasts in Australia installed turbos on their PRVs. Only God knows how many hps those one will be developing.

Please, until you drive one, dont comment on what you dont know. You didnt even care to find out the maximum hp & torque of 505 V6 with the Bosch O 280 001 507 ECU, before this noise making. A lot of guys in USA that own 505 V6 are searching everywhere for my Unique type aggressive 505 V6 type, which is very rare. One has to send money to me which i used to peurchase the ECU for him here & shipped to him. He just received the ECU yesterday & everyother 505 V6 owners in US in that forum are anxiously waiting for the update from the guy, to know if it will make his car run like mine, so that they too would ask me to get the ECU for them too. If you doubt me, go to Peugeot 505 Turbo forum. Its a forum for 505 owners in USA, especially the Turbo ones. But they all envy my V6 because they never got that aggressive one in US. They are only hoping that the ECU swap might at least make to be aggressive like mine to some extent. So i did my homework well before i made my decision to own that BABY. So stop whinning. Dont just underestimate the power of any car you have never driven, handled or know nothing about, talk about the one you know only. Yes, 505 V6 is an old car, its still been cherished & selfishly pampered & cared for by owners in USA, because they have realised it value after years of ownership, notwithstanding that they still own other brand of cars.

And nothing you say will remove the fact that newer BMWs are not reliable like the older ones. Check carsurvey.

Ikenna.

blink182: Ok, so wats the difference between AWD and FWD?

AWD: the 4 wheels propel the car via dual differential.
FWD: only the 2 front wheels propel/move the entire car via one differential.

V8 is a very powerfull engine which only a RWD drive can handle. But because the power from an engine in AWD have been shared to the 4 wheels, AWD can as well handle the V8 effectively, maybe, even better. V6 engine in FWD makes such car to always oveersteer, not to think of putting a V8 in it. In fact, a V8 engine in a FWD car could make the car fly off into bush on high way when on top speed, unless a lot of weight is added to the rear of the car.

A RWD car gives the car even weight distribtion on top speed, especially one with a powerful engine as V6 & V8. The action of the rear differential, the rear drive shafts & the rear two wheels, when in action (on top speed) gives weight to the rear of the car, making the weight the big engine gives the front of the car to match the weight those mechanicals naturally gives to the rear, making the weight even, thereby giving the car enough balance to withstand whatever speed you are doing. Unlike the FWD V6 that has artificial rear weight (traction sensors & others) which could easily fail, knowing how "reliable" sensors can be. In fact, to truelly know the difference, take both FWD V6 & RWD V6 for a high speed drive & come back & tell us your experience. You will surely findout that one handles better than the other on top speed. I currently own both FWD V6 & RWD V6 cars. So I know what am talking about.

Ikenna.