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odizeey:
No na. He's already missed the ball.

New rule says it doesn’t matter.

Remember the penalty Sevilla conceded last season at the semis. The ball had already gone and the referee penalized the follow through.

Pogbaaaaaaaaaa

odizeey:
E no be like pena o. But who am I to say no?

It’s a pen!

Look at the follow through.

Cavani is a seasoned striker.

Look at how he bought that penalty.

patrickmuf:
We should go ahead and score another 1 or 2..

You should not panic.

Ole is better in away games than home games.

Cavani - what a striker!

These pensioners come to United and outscore our so called youths.

GloryIsaac:
Look at the picture illimitable uploaded, Hendo will instinctively rush out like a mad man. 100% sure. Whether it works in his favor no concern am.

Even Hendo would have been beaten by the decision for the man on the ball to make a cross.

Look at Maguire/Shaw shadowing a Roma player. How did they allow the player to get to the ball before them?

Cavani the gunman!

GloryIsaac:
Folks clearly don’t see the point.

Defender lapsed, True, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t make any attempt at covering for them.

Does it mean every lapse must lead to a goal? Omoh

But you were wrong though.

How did the player that assisted the goal find himself in so much space? One Mkhitaryan pass split the defence open like the Red Sea but you want to blame De Gea?

If De Gea came out, the player would have dinked the ball over his head and you would still be here asking why he came out at all.

Just look at the shambles we call defence.

GloryIsaac:
Either of McFred has to be removed to accommodate VDB.

If you do that, the defence will suffer.

Ole must play McFred to protect the zombies he plays in the defence. If United have competent defenders that can take care of themselves in one v one situations, there would be no need to play 2 DMs.

Joezinho:
Ole!! Progressssss!!

Ole is a bottler.

GloryIsaac:
I actually feel Henderson should be in goal tbvh

DDG will get all the blame when Maguire and Lindelof agave been shit.

It’s ok.

2 away goals for Roma.

The semifinal curse strikes again.

Olesexuals are getting ready to swim in the mud.

GloryIsaac:
Wait, you waited until he conceded a penalty to slander Ole? Oh well

I am talking about Leeds, not this game.

This is the right team to select, how he’s using them is a different thing though.

Joezinho:
McFreds one job is to protect the defence, it’s the easiest of tasks yet they struggle to do it no matter who the opponent.

Has ole the Gollum not clocked that yet? They’re absolutely useless for the job he’s given them. Too easy for opponents to run through the middle..

Una dey mad?

Ole must have watched Casemiro, Kante and Fernandinho in action about 300 times. How he cannot see what he’s pretending to be DMs are not as good as the standard continues to marvel me.

McFred is basically doing the job of one player and they still fail at it.


In another news, Pogba’s shot has injured a goalkeeper.

Pogba handled the ball - that’s not harsh.

If it happened in the other end, United players will want a penalty for that too.

GloryIsaac:
Pogba was obviously rested for this game lol

A dumb decision by Ole.

Two creative midfielders are difficult to shackle.

If we had this team against Leeds, we would have won.

Why didn’t Ole start this same team against Leeds?

This PE teacher is a lunatic. It’s like his brain cells go off intermittently.

BARAJ92:
Some of your points are correct.
The point on Mourinho not being supported does not hold water, A coach that wanted to be signing old players into the team. Most of Pep signings are usually futuristic not signing 29 or 30 years players that will soon retire for a bogus fee.

Mourinho was not backed.

United were already 5 years behind City in terms of development before 2016.

Pep went on to sign 22 players, United could only sign 10 players for Mourinho.

Mourinho finished 19 points behind Pep in 17/18 and the Glazers decided that Fred, Grant and Dalot were enough to catch City.

Does that look like a serious club to you?

Android17:
I don't know what my post has to do with Pep Guardiola.

That is because you have no muscle memory. The crux of this argument was Jose isn’t special because he was expected to win at Chelsea.

I quickly reminded your dead brain cells that Pep was the one expected to win it all in his debut season but failed in every single competition that season.

So yes, everything about your argument was about bashing Mourinho for Pep.

Android17:
Your argument style is shameless. Your errant use of strawmen is laughable. All these irrelevant nonsense you are typing has nothing to do with the subject matter. You said nobody gave Mourinho a chance. I have proven that to be a lie. You said the media never gave him a chance, I have proven that to be a lie as well. I don't know how anyone who thinks intelligence or memory should be brought up in a discourse is doing so having made a claim and see that same claimed pulverized, debunked and dismantled.

You are a capital morōn!

You lied to us that Jose wasn’t special as he was the out and out favorite to win the PL - you then went on to present an evidence of him being named a media darling as proof.

He was a media darling for the entertainment he provided in his press conferences. It was nothing to do on the matters of the pitch. Arsenal were the favorites by a distance and everyone thought breaking the Fergie-Wenger duopoly was a tough ask for any manager that is just arriving in the PL.

Android17:
As for your attached image, hahahaha, you met the wrong person to try your spin tactics on. The media undermined Chelsea's winning because they called them "boring boring" chelsea - not that they did not give him a chance. That was what Mourinho was referring to. Why else will he say they were "Undermining" his teams season? Try another hapless deflection. This one failed again. lol

Here you go lying again without knowing the context of the attached image. Mourinho was clearly unhappy with the media cos they constantly bashed his team because he was arrogant. They wanted him to lose so that he could be demystified after calling himself a special one.

You went from posting an attachment that Jose was a media darling to boring boring Chelsea. Why would a media darling be called boring? See how you have conspired with evil spirits to navigate yourself into a contradiction pit.

Chelsea weren’t boring in 2004/5, they won 29 games, conceded 15 league goals, notched 95 points(PL record). They had Robben, Joe Cole & Duff that provided enough mesmerizing skills throughout that season. Saying Chelsea was boring is another inch added to your disgraceful Pinocchio nose.

Olodo!

BARAJ92:
This is very funny, yet your MCM was fired after 2 seasons so Di Matteo is the greatest coach in chelsea history since he won the champions league in less than 6 months. Also Avram Grant is greater than Mourinho since he took Chelsea to their 1st Champions League final which Mourinho failed to do in all the years, he coach Chelsea.

None of the managers you mentioned here won Chelsea the league. Mourinho did on his debut and won it back to back. The only manager since Fergie to do so until Pep arrived.

Even Wenger was unable to successfully defend a league title.

Jose is the greatest manager Chelsea have ever hired in their history.

Ole is the most useless manager that has ever managed in the Premier League.

BARAJ92:
To be sincere and honest with you, this your stand does not hold weight on the glazer not spending, How many owners will spend heavily on a winning team.

It holds the strongest weight of the Glazers being useless. Man Utd generate the most revenue in England, why were they spending less than City since their takeover?

Real Madrid, City, PSG, Barca, etc do not hesitate to spend money when the opportunity avails itself. They spend money cos they are rich. It does not matter if their team is winning or not winning. Serious clubs evolve. Instead of SAF to spend money post-2005, he was teasing the fans that there was no value in the market and signed Bebe, Obertan and a crippled Michael Owen to replace Ronaldo.

BARAJ92:
From the analysis, you put up, it shows that Man Utd have been recruiting wrongly without a clear direction. How many of the signing pre-Mourinho are still in the club. Even Lukaku that was brought by Mourinho left the club.

The analysis I put up simply shows we have useless owners. Since Fergie left, United have hired 4 different managers. No manager has spent 3 years on the job since then but we had Fergie for 27 years.

Recruitment is also the responsibility of the owners - the fans don’t choose who to sign. Mourinho has also proven the owners didn’t back him. He submitted a list of names of the players he wanted and he was given the inferior versions of those players(just to save money).

The owners were in cahoots with Woodward to drive the narrative of United DNA - they lie to the fans that they would invest in youth players(with DNA) rather than go out there and buy finished products that can help win the title.

Pep was heralded as this developer of youth when he was signing for Man City. People quickly cited how he brought Busquets, Pedro, etc from the Barca team B. It’s been 5 years since Pep arrived and the only youth player he has developed is Foden. That should tell you City are more concerned about stacking up trophies and they are unashamed to spend money to get the objective done.

United owners, on the other hand, are lying that their youths are the future. Youths who aren’t even good enough in their own league are being promoted to the senior team to save money for the Glazers and deluded fans are lapping it up hoping one day that Rashford will be as good as Ronaldo.

nitrogen:
Again, the stuffs from you are not correct. One thing that you need to understand is that David Gill and Fergie left at the same time. You know the effect of that? Why did Gill leave? One of both should have stayed to aid proper transitioning.

Also, we have football guys in charge. The non-football guys are there for commercials. It is tough to have a football person as chairman and CEO. Most ex footballers don’t have business mindsets. A football club is about business and football, not just football.

In fact, tell me what football experience the CEOs of Man City and Chelsea have? While you are at it, please add the profiles of the persons in charge of transfers at the clubs.

You guys should calm down abeg.

David Gill and Fergie were active in 2012 when Man City won the title in 11/12.

They were active when City kicked Man Utd out of the FA cup semifinal in 2011.

Whether they left or not, it wouldn’t have stopped City’s rise.

Every manager the Arab owners have hired for City has won them a league title so their recent success is not only about Pep Guardiola.

Mancini and Pellegrini also won league titles for City and that is because the club has so much quality that no matter how poor the manager is, it’s impossible to fail at City.

nitrogen:
The comparison does not make sense. Start from 2012/2013 when Fergie left, not 2006 or 2008, because we had a better squad for years until 2013 when the players were getting really old and tired. How come we got to 3 UCL finals in those years that we did not sign players? Of course we had quality and depth, City were nothing, they started from scratch. They needed to spend the extra 400m to try and catch up with Chelsea and Arsenal.

Why should I start from 2012/13? All the players City bought before then died or they left with Fergie or what’s your argument?

The true picture here is how much both owners have spent on their respective projects. You cannot start counting after Fergie left because City had already won a league a season before Fergie left.

Their owners spent plenty of money in signing Aguero, Balotelli, Tevez, Kompany, Dzeko, David Silva, Yaya Toure, etc. instead of the Glazers to sign Toure or Kroos, they forced Scholes out of retirement at 38 years of age.

nitrogen:
Please don’t tell me that Fergie was a genius in those years, because we know how woeful he had been in almost 2 decades (prior to 2007/2007).

Fergie was the reason United won all those trophies because of his genius man management of getting every drop of energy from average players.

SAF may not be the best tactician but he knows how to make his players leave everything they have got to offer on the pitch. That sheer ingenuity is why he’s the best manager on the planet.

nitrogen:
That thread is nonsense. We did not need to spend more than any other club to achieve success in those five years because we had a very good squad (plus depth). Just ask yourself why we went ahead to succeed in Europe within those five years? Got to UCL semis 4-5 times in 5-6 seasons, got to finals 3 times between 2008 and 2013. Don’t tell me it was just about Fergie’s brilliance, because we did not do well in the UCL in prior years.

You keep telling yourself this when it’s obvious you are wrong. As a big club generating upwards of £500m per season, we ought to be spending like the other big clubs in Europe. United were the 2nd richest team in that era but they were the 6th best team in Europe - why is that?

nitrogen:
The thread is nonsense. Fact is the Glazers have spent. We matched City’s spending between 2013 and 2020, with less success because City got the better manager. We’ve had several superstars come and go, also hired other ‘quality’ managers in the same period. It’s really unfair to castigate them.

Before 2013, City had already acquired Aguero, Yaya Toure, David Silva, Kompany, Dzeko, Tevez, Nasri, Balotelli, Zabaleta, Robinho, etc.

Your argument would only have a spine if the aforementioned players didn’t go on to contribute to City’s success before/after SAF retired. You know in your hearts of hearts that they did.

nitrogen:
I will only blame them for not doing their best to get Pep. Very few managers guarantee stability and trophies. Since they’ve missed the train, they should continue to hire and sack for success.

You should also blame them for not paying any attention to City’s rapid rise between 2008-2013. City were catching up fast while United were sleeping and counting on SAF to deliver trophies forever.

The Glazers are the worst thing to happen to United.

Let’s calculate how much they have spent since their 2005 takeover and compare it to City’s takeover in 2008.

Man City

08/09 - £142m
09/10 - £133m
10/11 - £165m
11/12 - £82m
12/13 - £56m
13/14 - £104m
14/15 - £93m
15/16 - £187m
16/17 - £194m
17/18 - £286m
18/19 - £71m
19/20 - £144m
20/21 - £160m

Total - £1.8 billion


Man Utd

08/09 - £40m
09/10 - £25m
10/11 - £26m
11/12 - £56m
12/13 - £69m
13/14 - £69m
14/15 - £175m
15/16 - £140m
16/17 - £167m
17/18 - £178m
18/19 - £74m
19/20 - £204m
20/21 - £75m

Total - £1.3 billion

If you add 05/06, 06/07 & 07/08(Glazers arrived in 2005) purchases to United’s total, you have £1.4 billion.

So the Arab owners spent around £400m more in 13 seasons than the Glazers did in 16 seasons.

The Glazers are a disgrace!

BARAJ92:
FA cup final, Yet Ole reach semi finals of all competition last season and was still able to make top 4 but he has been rightfully condemned 4 bottling the semi finals but your MCM could not use those at his disposal to get pass Sevilla in the champions league or even go far in the Carling cup.

This one is trying to be clever by half.

The only time Ole has played in the CL, he was bundled out of the group stage and got demoted to Europa.

Mourinho qualified from the group in every CL campaign at Man Utd.

That’s the difference.

Even if Ole wins Europa this season, it cannot top Mourinho’s achievements because it’s taken Ole close to 3 years to achieve what Mourinho did in 9 months.

You can’t lie your way around factual information.

benji93:
Mr high IQ man. Nobody? You must be at least 35 to have known that for sure. . If you are, my advice is it's about damn time you did something you are better at.

Shut up your mouth.

No one called you here.

Android17:
From "nobody gave chelsea a chance" to "how did anyone expect Jose to win" because you don't know the meaning of the word polarizing. Everyone on this thread knows who the liar is. There is virtually no year in the EPL that all the bookmakers or pundits unanimously selected one team. To prove that nobody gave chelsea a chance was a lie, all I had to do was show you one bookmaker who refuted your claim. You also lied that Mourinho was disliked by the media and that no one had any expectations of his chelsea side. What a pathetic lie. See the attached and come up with better lies next time. I have more of this and I will keep posting them to prove that you are a waffling liar.

Nobody gave Chelsea a chance. Arsenal were the strong favorites. They just completed a season unbeaten. Many bookies even had them repeating the same shit again in 2004/5.

I never lied about the war going between Mourinho and the media. I would post a video at the bottom of the post of Mourinho shit-talking the British media. Why would I lie over something I know? My muscle memory is better than any google cache you can scrape out of your computer.

When Jose first arrived, there was love but it quickly turned sour cos the media thought he was arrogant. Few months later, Jose went on an insult spree calling Wenger a Viewer, criticizing Allardyce’s tactics and just generally beefing several managers.

Guardiola was the outright favorite in 2016/17, he won nothing. Here you are, lying through your teeth that Mourinho was expected to win in a season Arsenal were the favorites. Pep that was touted to win everything finished third and trophyless.

You are a pathological liar and this is the proof.

"I have to prove what?"

Jose Mourinho after winning the 2005 League Cup with Chelsea, his first trophy in English football. pic.twitter.com/ZuXRAiegS1

— Sky Sports Retro (@SkySportsRetro) April 25, 2021

BARAJ92:
how did your MCM perform in the league, when he won Europa and Carling cup.
What was your MCM results in cup competition, the season he finished with 81 points

Fact is he sacrificed the league for Europa. You can check his line up at the Emirates and White Hart Lane towards the end of the season. United had too many injuries that season and they couldn’t fight on two fronts.

Jose tactically concentrated on Europa knowing winning it qualifies United for CL & it will be the same outcome if he focused solely on the league. He’s a very intelligent man.

In the season Jose got 81 points, he was also a finalist in FA cup.

Ole hasn’t been able to make any final in almost 3 years and the highest point he can get this season even if he wins all the remaining league games is 82 points. With almost £300m spent, you would expect much better.

KingAlabi:
I don't see why you guys don't still understand the point even if it is glaring, if I hire guardiola and he wins the Europa league at United, I will be happy AS A FAN but that's not the expectations AS A FAN I will have for guardiola.

When mou was brought in we wanted to win the best around because we know his achievements as a coach and he can take us there, he won the Carling cup, community shield and Europa league, as a fan we will celebrate winning a trophy, but have our expectations been met?

Back to ole, what was the expectations when ole was employing as a coach of his pedigree?

Mine: to stabilize the team that was negated under mou, build a winning team and if he can't bring the trophies after that, then he fvcks off for a better attacking coach of a better pedigree to deliver the trophies with the proposed winning squad.

Has amaka(ole) done this?, yes but it came with heart breaks.

Amaka has built a winning team by not winning any trophy and struggling to make the 81 points Jose clutched in his 2nd season?

Do you understand the meaning of a winning team? A winning team is Liverpool in the last 2 seasons(CL & PL), City for most parts in the last 4 years.

How can anyone say Ole has built a winning team?

Like how?

Kindly explain.

Android17:
lol

You said NOBODY gave Chelsea under Mourinho a chance. I said it is a LIE that it was POLARIZING between Chelsea and Arsenal but that Chelsea NUDGED it. You never said there was no general consensus, you lied that NOBODY thought Chelsea stood a chance which has now been proven to be a lie. This image you posted, I know it and that is just another bookie that gave Arsenal an 11/10 odd, Chelsea had the next best one and United were a distant third. As soon as I challenged you to provide any link showing United as second, you tried and failed woefully to change the argument into something else.

This lad lies for a living.

How did Chelsea nudge it if Arsenal were the favorites? Don’t you know the meaning of favorites? I even sent you a graph gotten from betoffering UK - highlighting where the bookies favorites have finished since 2003/4 and you are still lying that Chelsea nudged the favorite?

Don’t you get tired of lying? That was also how you lied that Mourinho bought Cech and Robben. You lied Chelsea were the favorites and still lying they were the favorites when Arsenal were outrightly the favorites. If Arsenal were the favorites, how did anyone then expect Jose to win it?

I hate debating with liars. You aren’t the first I would catch in a lie though. Nigerians must lie to sway a debate when cornered. You cannot prove Chelsea were the favorites apart from the useless link from PaddyPower that quickly changed when Arsenal won their first 5 league games and kept their unbeaten run going before the Pizzagate at Old Trafford.