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handelex:
Lol it has to do with the simple fact that Poch never finished any season with Tottenham 14th. Now deal with it.

No one gives a shit where Poch finished his season. The point is where Mourinho met them and the job he had to do to pull them up.

Spurs were 14th on the table in middle of November when Poch was sacked. You can use google to find out if you don’t believe it.

handelex:
Wasn't United at some point 14th this season, izzit their current position now. Pochettino would have finished higher than Mou even did.

What does that have to do with anything?

Where did Jose meet Spurs in November 2019? Where & what they would have finished is not relevant.

Anyone could argue Jose would have finished 2nd before he was sacked too.

Pochettino would have finished higher than Mou in the same season this happened?

Embrace some shame, boy.

KingAlabi:
Says an idiot that said there is a second legged comeback. which is different from a comeback

Stvpidity is free, don't abuse it.

Baba IQ, if you can't see what is in front of you, at least pity your kids.

Look at this glorified idiot.

2nd leg comeback is a thing but you are too stupid to grasp the concept and I am done educating a window licker poster child.

I listed Mourinho’s comeback games - you argued Ole has the same feat and your best example was a tie of 2 legs.

Pearls before swine. I am the former, you are the latter.

patrickmuf:
I don't understand, so Mourinho should have bottled the Europa or what exactly is your point? Remember, Van Gaal took us the UEL...

That’s their stupid argument.

Mourinho should have gone into that competition to lose so they can have another excuse that he’s finished.

He won it outrightly and took United to CL - Olesexuals are still complaining.

Meanwhile, their god of failure is almost 3 years gone without a trophy. Since Ole has been here, Arteta won FA cup, Lampard got to a final, Tuchel is in a final.

Olesexuals are fools.

KingAlabi:
Doesn't Mourinho have a winning mentality with Tottenham?

Abi na carabao cup be im standard now?

I don’t debate with morons.

Take your filthy gutter argument to a beer parlor.

nitrogen:
Omo, Ole go get problem o. TT should not win a trophy, Poch should not get to UCL final, Mou must not win Carling, and we must win Europa.


Hmmmmm, I pity OGS.

Ole can’t get into a final in almost 3 years. Europa cup is his last hope. If he bungles that, it’s until next year - and by then he would have had 3+ years without a trophy.

I wonder what Olesexuals will use as excuse if that happens.

BikeMan:
KingAlabi, we are in the FA Cup final again. When will your own coach and “best midfielder in the world” take you to a final?

Suffer noh dey tire you?

This is what happens when you get a manager with a winning mentality. Winners always win.

That’s another manager that got a job under a year and got to a final. Meanwhile, the window lickers on this thread keep deluding themselves that Ole is making progress.

handelex:
Tell me Olodo, so Tottenham finished that season 14th?

Poch left them at 14th.

Jose met them at 14th. He didn’t meet them in top 4.

Today is Chelsea/City game?

I will be back for the window lickers later.

handelex:
Tottenham under Poch
Top 4
Top 4
Top 4
Top 4
CL final

Tottenham under Mourinho
-6th
-Europa league QF lose to Jdbdhhejshhsnenjdhdbbebsbbs..
-Currently 8th.

Thunder fire all Mourinho spambots.

Top 4
Top 4
Top 4
Top 4
CL final
14th

Your selective amnesia missed that bolded bit, Olodo?

BARAJ92:
How many Balon d'Or or world best coach did Mourinho have. Guardiola has more than him.
How many IFFHS world coach have Mourinho won since 2008 when Guardiola start his coaching career.
How many Onze d'Or coach of the years does Mourinho has.

Guardiola achievement is far superior than Mourinho.

Was there a Ballon d’Or coach award when Mourinho won CL with Porto?

Have some shame, bro.

raumdeuter:
Mourinhos predecesor at Spurs made the CL final, when will Mourinho make it?

Yeah, he made it with these results

Real Madrid
R16
R16
R16
R16
R16
R16
Semifinal(Mourinho)

Man City
Semifinal(Pellegrini)

Q/final(Pep)
R16(Pep)
Q/final(Pep)
Q/final(Pep)

The only people who think these two scenarios are the same are window lickers.

raumdeuter:
2017
2018
2019
2020

City failed to make the semi so they are underdogs

They are not underdogs, they underachieved.

Pep inherited a team that got to the semifinals. He spent £800m on the same squad and failed to get to the semifinal in 4 different attempts.

That’s not an underdog story.

Mourinho, however, took a job where the club hadn’t gone past R16 in 6 seasons and he took them straight to a semifinal.

That’s overachievement.

This feigning to be stupid is really making you look bad.

raumdeuter:
A new manager with City will be inheriting an underdog? Try to be clear

Pep has now achieved what his predecessor achieved albeit after 5 attempts. The hoodoo is now broken.

If a new manager had taken over City at the start of the season to achieve a semifinal, he could win IFFHS award on that strength alone.

But now, the hoodoo is broken!

raumdeuter:
They won it in 2002. by 2005 their stars started leaving starting with Figo
So if you are asking why they didnt win in 2002, 2003, 2004 you have to be clearer

If winning it is by the sheer number of the ballon d’Or players in their squad, there’s no reason why they couldn’t repeat it between 2003-2007, by your own logic.

So explain to the House why your logic only punishes Mourinho that had just 2 Ballon d’Or winners but won’t punish the managers that handled Madrid between 2003-7 when they had about 9 different ballon d’Or trophies in their squad?

It’s so easy to disintegrate your stupid logic.

raumdeuter:
So if a new coach took over City this season, he would have been taking over an underdog
Or a new coach takes over Juventus next season he will be taking over an underdog

If a new manager took over City this season, he would be taking over a squad that is afraid to get into a semifinal. If the new manager somehow manages it with them despite being an underdog, he could win an IFFHS award based on that alone.

hensben:
Its really sad. Only in this thread sentiment and emotion try to win against fact and logic. Smh

I have overrated many of the monikers chatting shit on this thread. This is the biggest assembly of dullards I have ever witnessed in my entire existence.

raumdeuter:
Between 2005 and 2010.
Figo left in 2005
Zidane left in 2006
Ronaldo, Beckham Carlos left in 2007

Madrid bought CR7 and Kaka 2 Balon dors in 2009 while Mourinho joined in 2010

Mourinho had 2 recent balon dor at the peak of their careers Kaka at 28yrs, CR7 at 25yrs and failed to win the CL

Why didn’t they win it in 2003-2007?

raumdeuter:
Simple question Man City has been losing to Lyon and Monaco are they underdogs?
Barcelona lost to Roma, are they underdogs?
Juventus lost to Porto, Lyon and Ajax Are they underdogs?

Jesus Christ - how old are you?

City got to the semifinals in 2016.

There was never a time they got knocked out in the round of 16 for 6 consecutive seasons. How can they be underdogs when it was Pep that was underachieving with them in Europe?

Pellegrini got to the semifinal in the same year Pep arrived. Pep spent plenty of cash and he never even got past his predecessor and you think he’s an underdog?

This is funny.

raumdeuter:
Madrid won it in 2002 with Zidane, Figo, Raúl, Guti, Makelele Roberto Carlos, etc?

If the question is why cant they be winning it every season? You will have to state it clearer

Madrid didn’t get past round of 16 from 2005 to 2010 with the same calibre of players. How come their multiple ballon d’Or winners couldn’t get them past the first knockout tie for 6 consecutive seasons?

Are you people dullards or pretending to be morons?

raumdeuter:
Kaka won Balon dor in 2007, Ronaldo won in 2008. Mourinho got to Madrid in 2010. That means he had 2 Balon dors who had won within 5yrs in his team
With Ramos Casillas, Pepe
That was an underdog team

We can also say since Man City is crashing out to Lyon, Monaco and Spurs, City is an underdog

This argument is idiotic.

How come Madrid didn’t win it in 2003 when they had Fat Ronaldo, Zidane, Figo, Beckham, Raúl, Guti, Roberto Carlos, etc?

A year later, they added Michael Owen(another ballon d’Or winner) to their team and they still couldn’t win it.

This is the worst sports thread on this forum by a country mile. The amount of worst takes in football I have seen on this thread is starting to make me think this thread is the natural habitat of all the olodos on NL.

TrebleChamp:
How does this change the fact that Mourinho is rated the greatest manger? Àbí na me rate Mourinho? Until another manager is rated, Jose is the greatest Manager.

Don’t mind that Bara guy.

They somehow thought Mourinho’s lengthier career is why he’s #1 when his 4 IFFHS awards is the key.

Majority of the other managers on the list between 2001-2020 had to outrightly win the CL to be given the award.

Mourinho won the award for winning the PL with Chelsea - a trophy Chelsea hadn’t won for 50 years. IFFHS considered the league title in that circumstance worthier than all the league titles Pep won at Bayern or City

Mourinho also won the award in 2012 after destroying Pep’s Barca in the league. IFFHS considered that feat worthier because Madrid were underdogs nobody gave a chance to win La Liga. Madrid didn’t win CL in 2012 but IFFHS still gave the award to Mourinho.

Another evidence that Mourinho takes difficult jobs while Pep takes jobs where failure is impossible. Pep has never won the award without winning the CL. All his league victories have come easy unlike Mourinho’s 04/05 or 11/12 league victories.

This debate is over.

raumdeuter:
How to be an underdog is to have 2 previous Balon dor in Kaka and Ronaldo

If you ever see hensben supporting your argument, that is a clue that you have to reevaluate your position

A washed up Kaka & a ballon d’Or winner Ronaldo were knocked out in the round of 16 in 09/10 by almighty Lyon.

I am wondering why Ronaldo’s Ballon d’Or and Kaka’s brilliance couldn’t get their team past Lyon. If that particular tie was a fluke on Lyon’s part, the previous 5 seasons before Ronaldo arrived also had Madrid crashing out in the round of 16.

If they aren’t underdogs, what are they? Champions?

IQ test should be a compulsory test in Nigeria before voters card is issued to anyone. This thread continues to show the far majority of Nigerians are clueless.

nitrogen:
Agree! Mou don try, he needs to focus on other things. Meanwhile, there is no sense in mentioning OGS and Mou in the same sentence. (I just did sha, lol). Mou has seen it all, OGS is still a rookie after 12 years of football management.

Also, we should stop saying that Ole's time at Utd is better than Mou's. Na trophy be koko, OGS has not won a spoon at Utd.

Guardiola started his career around the same time OGS did. Why is it okay to compare Pep to Mou but Ole is still a rookie?

This was the same Gary Neville narrative that Lingard is still a youth and Pogba should be guiding him - until he was told Lingard is actually older than Pogba.

Ole and Pep are mates.
Consistent failure is the reason people think Ole is a rookie.

benji93:
True. No one in his right senses would comapre Ole to Mou. Mou has an impressive Resume. Ole has done very little. But your argument that Mou schooled Sir Alex is bullshit. We could also say Ole has not lost to Mou with 11 players on each side. . There are definitely lots of other things you can mention, not that one.

It’s obvious you only started following the Premier League when Buhari/Osinbajo came to power.

SMH!

Expert17:
Having the same EPL trophies with Arsene Wenger(despite staying for 20+ years) is difficult.

Winning Europa League and UCL with FC Porto is difficult.

Winning the league with just 15 goals conceded is difficult.

Winning treble with Inter Milan is difficult.

Winning 2 EPL trophies in his first 2 years is difficult.

Winning all trophies associated with club football is difficult.

Winning the league with Real Madrid is difficult. (Considering Messi and Barcelona form, also ending Madrid 3 years without league trophy run)

Winning 3 trophies with Man utd is difficult ( until OLE wins a semi-final and a trophy )

Respect Mourinho abeg

God will shower his blessings on you for this comment.

These people will change narrative because they don’t like a particular manager. There are many managers or teams I don’t like but I will never deny them their respect.

These anti-Mourinho bots came here yesterday to lie that Tottenham were in hot form because of a flukish CL final berth they clinched because Sterling’s goal was ruled out in the last minute.

Spurs were dogshit. They didn’t win a single away game from January till Jose took over and won the first away game he played against West Ham. This was Tottenham’s form away from home in the league under Poch.

Just look at the mess Mourinho inherited.

benji93:
Let me give you some life lessons cos it seems you lack a lot of understanding about how this life works. Your when Ole/Mourinho argument is quite dumb honestly, cos no be when you start. Some start winning early, while others start late. It's reality. There's another thing. Mourinho's career as a professional footballer was close to non-existent. The last time he played-even amateur football-was in 1987, when he was 24. He began working as an assistant as far back as 1992, with Robson. He moved from one assistant manager role to another until his first stint in 2000 as the senior coach of Benfica, which was 8 years after working under several senior coaches soaking up knowledge along the way. His first real success was with Uniao de Leria as senior manager in 2001, when he led the team to 4th place. Remember that Mourinho worked directly with high profile coaches, Robson, then Van Gaal through those 8 years. . Now for Ole he retired in 2007. He honestly didn't get well-grounded before his first stint at Molde as a head coach. 4 years later he moved to Cardiff as their manager. He would be a genius to save that team from relegation. The long and short of it is that, Ole did not learn the ropes properly, in fact honestly he did not learn at all. Sadly that's what's happening these days. Most of them end up learning on the Job. Only a few of them can succeed without any proper grounding, in which case the environment provided to them may overblow their perceived abilities, as was in the case of Guardiola for example who had Messi, Xavi Iniesta and co. I mean you don't need to be a genius to coach those guys to trophies. So before you bring age into any argument you need to consider what their life was like until that age.
I have told you severally, you won't listen. Do some actual research before you post anything.

It’s obvious your IQ is lower than the room temperature in Alaska.

Who gives a shit what obstacles Ole had to pass through before joining United? Who gives a shit if Mourinho wasn’t a successful footballer?

Whenever people come up with idiotic points about Jose not being a footballer, I remember Arrigo Sacchi’s famous quote - “A jockey doesn’t have to have been a horse.”

Morons like you actually feel you have to be an okada before you can ride one. Sacchi never played football and he’s one of the best managers that ever lived.

Back to Ole.....
He’s a failure. Irrespective of when he had started, he would have still been a failure. Age is a very important factor as that actually gives Mourinho more time to expand on what he’s already achieved.

Your stupidity even gets more laughable when you actually realize Pep was managing Barca reserves in 07/08 while Ole was coaching United’s strikers around the same time before managing United reserves in 08/09.

Pep went on to become one of the best managers in the world while Ole was relegating Cardiff and managing clubs ranked 550th in the jungle of Norway. Pep and Ole had exactly the same opportunity but Ole’s contagious virus known as failure wouldn’t let him breakthrough and become great.

I can only hope his virus hasn’t affected your thinking faculty to drop standards and accept failure as the norm. My standards are sky high, even when Ferguson was winning 3 titles in a row, I wasn’t satisfied with his European campaign. Imagine how I feel now that this failure can’t even win a trophy in almost 3 years.

Maybe this is why some United fans don’t like Mourinho.

He slaughtered their cult hero many many times. If someone I hold in high regards only won 2 games out of 16, I would hate Mourinho too.

benji93:
But honestly, una no dey try for here. I do agree with one thing about @illimitable's argument though, 25 major trophies no beans. Mourinho try well well, just say time don reach make him retire. No be everybody go dominate until 70, 58 is a nice age to retire too.

Mourinho will be here till age 80.

By the time Jose clocked 41, he had won UEFA cup(Europa league equivalent) & UCL with Porto(a small fry).

By the time Ole clocked 41, he was relegating Cardiff to a lower league from the PL.

United fans don’t care though, they believe the latter is better than the former.

Bunch of knuckleheads.

benji93:
You don't get to decide who got cooked. The spectators get to make that decision. Meanwhile, I am still waiting for your stellar Waec results.

His twin brother(Raumdeuter) gave up and ran away after realizing his hands are too short to box with me.

Handelex is just struggling to preserve whatever is left of his burnt credibility.

If you clone all the anti-Mourinho bots on this thread into one person and pit them against me, I would still nick a flawless victory.

All of them get their opinions from Neville & Carragher. They are too dense to make their own independent opinion.

3 trophies - Mourinho left a mess
0 trophies - Ole is making progress.

Bunch of morons!

handelex:
Lmaoooo, you can cry all you want your Jose is now getting cooked by the likes of Solskjaer and Co.
Now run along boy.

Ole doesn’t have 25 major trophies though.....

You can manufacture 25 major medals for him in your village.

Ole should continue cooking you into oblivion. The end shall justify the means real soon.