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GloryIsaac:
At least you didn’t insult me, that’s commendable.

No one thinks Ole is over performing, dig comments if you wish.

And don’t act like you didn’t see the replies to if the Europa League is won.

If the Europa league is won, Ole would get the same disdain Mourinho got for winning it. It’s that simple.

On this same thread, we were told winning Europa league is not an achievement. People actually said Europa, Carling Cup and the Community shield are useless trophies.

So if the favor is returned to Ole, I really don’t think you can complain. We either agree unanimously that these trophies are worthy or they aren’t. Olesexuals have said the trophies are useless so should Ole win the Europa, the general consensus shall be he won a useless trophy.

GloryIsaac:
How do you feel comfortable using the word ‘Olesexual’? Wow

Well, if the Europa League is won, everyone should finally stfu while we focus on cups that truly matter. After all, that’s the peak of your MCMs time here, even though he chose finishing 2nd as his greatest achievement with United.

Carling, Community Shield etc. are all being mentioned because the team is starved of real trophies.

However, if you feel the need to drag it on, by all means do so. Hopefully you guys take this thread to 20k pages repeating the same thing everyday.

Disliking Ole won’t change anything. Y’all take your L on Mou and have a seat lmao

I really don’t think you or anyone else have the rights to dictate what other people should post. If you don’t like the fact that some United fans are upset about the PE teacher’s performance, just skip to the next comment. You don’t have to read anti-Ole comments.

What you are trying to do is to shut people up because you don’t agree with their stance. Isn’t this how people become dictators? If you think Ole is over-performing and the criticisms are unwarranted, all you have to do is prove it with logic/facts instead of gaslighting us with sermons about maturity.

Android17:
Bring 1 link showing United as second favorites. You are simply making things up. I can show you links with Arsenal 1 and Chelsea 2 or Chelsea 1 and Arsenal 2. And just before you claim "next season" meant 2005/06, I sent another screenshot with the date. The next season being referred to here was the one to begin Aug 2004.

Look at you moving the goalpost again. After banging your chest several times that Chelsea were favorites to win the PL, you are now saying it’s between Chelsea and Arsenal.

There can only be one favorite to win the PL and Arsenal were the outright favorites to win it after completing their invincible season.

These are the PL season’s outright favorites from 2003/4 to 2019/20. The link you showed is one bookie out of about 20 bookies in the country.

Like I said, no general consensus gave Mourinho any chance when he arrived, Arsenal were the out and out favorites to win the PL after completing the 03/04 season unbeaten.

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Android17:


You are making stuff up. Mourinho signed Drogba, Robben, Kezman, Carvalho, Tiago, Ferreira and Cech to add to the team that finished 2nd. Sure Arsenal had just gone through the previous season unbeaten which is why the predictions were largely polarizing although Chelsea did slightly nudge it. To revise history by claiming nobody gave chelsea a chance under Mourinho is ridiculous.

Nobody gave Chelsea a chance under Mourinho. Arsenal were the title favorites, followed by United and Chelsea were 3rd favorites. Mourinho was not expected to win the PL title on his debut.

Robben and Cech transfers were completed even before Mourinho joined. Ranieri signed those players but they didn’t move to Chelsea until Jose arrived in June 2004.

Android17:
I literally typed "Mourinho+chelsea+epl+predictions+2004" into the Google search bar and it was mostly 1. Chelsea 2. Arsenal or 1. Arsenal 2. Chelsea. Like I started with, Mourinho did not win any Carling Cup final that he was not expected to win.

That’s simply not true.
Bookmakers had Arsenal as favorites, United as 2nd(Fergie always won after finishing 2nd) and Chelsea(3rd favorites). If Mourinho was the media favorite, why would he go to war with the British media that year?

The media were against him immediately after the “special one” presser. They kept writing negative stories about him and his players. I remember him shushing Liverpool fans in the carling cup final and he was sent off.
He apologized later that he wasn’t referring to the Liverpool fans but the British media who have been writing negative shit about him all season.

He wasn’t supposed to win, he wasn’t expected to win. The hype came after he won and broke the English record with 95 points.

popizaino:
By previously losing the so called easy Bundesliga .

Every Bayern manager has won the Bundesliga - that’s how easy winning it is. Even the semi-useless Van Gaal won it.

popizaino:
Was that why jupp heckneys went trophyless with the same Bayern in 2011- 2012 season?

He later won a TREBLE.

Android17:
Chelsea were 2nd before Mourinho. He came in, got better players to add to that team and there was only one direction they were to go. Chelsea beat that same Liverpool team in the league home and away. Mourinho still believes he lost that UCL tie based on a ghost goal but you want to paint them to be this indomitable team. O wrong nau! Chelsea were better than United by far in both 2004/05-2005/06. They were supposed to beat United in those years. And Mourinho was SUPPOSED to succeed in England. Where did "I am the special one" come from? You keep talking about revisionism but that is all you have been doing - revising history. Please nobody talked Porto or Inter so stop changing the narrative.

They got players under Ranieri - how come he didn’t win the league? Roman arrived when Ranieri was manager and they had bought Crespo, Duff, Veron, Makelele, Geremi, Joe Cole, Wayne Bridge, Glen Johnson, Smertin, Mutu.

Chelsea already had Lampard, Terry, Pettit, Gallas, etc - already bought by Ranieri in the previous years. So it’s a reach to say Mourinho was expected to win. Arsenal had just completed their invincible season as well and many thought they would repeat their PL victory. No one gave Chelsea any chance - Mourinho won against all odds.

Botfuss:
Bayern set to win bundesliga for the next 10 years. That’s disgraceful to football. I predict Bayern fans would get bored pretty soon and call for a reformed league. They can’t continue like that.

They won’t.

They have no shame. They will win it 500 times in a row before they call for a reform.

KingAlabi:
Okay, you just behaved like the olephobe you are, not surprised.

Olephobe?

You had to coin a term for the truth seekers.

Ole’s juju must be strong to have you this hypnotized by the PE teacher.

KingAlabi:
As expected

It’s the fact.

The truth is only bitter to Olesexuals.

Leyqute:
This system, over the years, has made Bayern stronger and stronger to the point that they are now unchallengeable. They are at the top of the food chain. Even with the new revenue sharing system, it will take a long time for other teams to be able to challenge Bayern.

Meanwhile, some people consider Pep winning Bundesliga three times in a row as an achievement.

Something Chris Wilder will win with his eyes closed.

KingAlabi:
I dropped a stat of we been the third least team in term of goals conceded, what was my intention?

At a time, before half way of the season, we were the ** 4th or even 5th team for most goals conceded. **

What happened?, what changed?, do we need we still need a defender in the summer?.

A healthy discussion, but trust olephobes to do the needful.

This team kept the most clean sheets in 2018 thus winning De Gea a golden glove.

How do you go from the best defence to 3rd after £150m was spent on defence and still think there’s progress?

raumdeuter:
How much is that and is it over 30M?

It’s fake!

raumdeuter:
Less than 24 hrs ago

“According to transfermarkt” - that’s the disclaimer.

In your own case, you blatantly lied you paid more than 30M for Neuer but the lie detector machine found out you were lying.

Neuer was €18m. You were able to find $30M evejdence from Transfermarkt but it wasn’t over 30M like you claimed.

Lies Lies Lies all over your comments.

CITEH:
The way you people brandish figures eh. Almost €900m on which players? Lol

I had to quote you, cos this figure shock me.

Please make your research before replying.

Actually, he’s spent more than $1 billion in Man City according to transfermarkt.

Android17:
Chelsea were supposed to beat Liverpool, Arsenal U21s, Tottenham whilst United were supposed to beat Southampton in the finals stop bringing up irrelevant details. Revisionism? Try outright lying that Benitez used fringe players in the league. For context, Liverpool were on 50 pts at week 32 whilst 4th placed Everton were on 54. Everton ended the season on 61 to Liverpool's 58. It is clear that there was a bigger incentive to chase for the 4th spot than hope in a lifetime to beat that AC Milan team. So throw that junk info somewhere else. By the way, 1-0 away win against a heavily rotated side (9 changes) is now a clobbering? lol

How were Chelsea supposed to beat Liverpool? Were Chelsea also supposed to beat Fergie’s Man Utd over 2 legs in the semifinal or you think Chelsea didn’t go through hell to get into the final?

Anytime Jose wins, people always say he’s supposed to win. I bet he was also expected to win CL with Porto or Inter. The revisionism in this place is hilarious. Mourinho wasn’t supposed to succeed in England. The media hounded him ever since his first presser when they thought he said he was the special one.


Every victory Chelsea got in 2004/5 was earned by sweats and blood.

raumdeuter:
How much has Man Utd spent and what have they won? How many league titles

Pep have spent more as a manager.

United’s spendings were under 4 managers who kept doing and undoing each other’s philosophies.

Pep has presided over a 5 year period working at the same philosophy with almost £900m spent.

raumdeuter:
yes but Man City his current employer did not sack him, they actually just extended him. His employers to extend him means he is meeting and exceeding expectations and also disgraced English football

That they didn’t sack him is irrelevant.

The crux of the issue is that Pep failed in England in his debut season.

Just because a man didn’t punish his son for getting F9 parallel doesn’t mean he passed his exams.

The boy still failed.

raumdeuter:
By the end of this season he would have won 3 of the last 4 league titles.

That is irrelevant.

We don’t know how Scolari or other managers Chelsea have sacked after their first season would have turned out too if they had their chairman’s support.

You see how that works?

Pep has never completed a season without a title in his career. PL told him “hold my beer”.

Baba quickly dabbled into the market - bought £200m worth of defenders in one season to quickly patch up his damaged credibility.

Amodu Shuaib would have won exactly the same or even more with such financial backing.

Each of Pep’s defenders broke English record.

BARAJ92:
Yet your Pogba was available when Sheffield United defeated us.

But there was no McFred cover to protect the zombies in the defence that night.

hoopLA:
Ole is employed,but Jose isn't.
Therefore Ole must be doing something right,instead of him being employed by people who don't know how many players make a football team .

Ole is a parody.

raumdeuter:
You all dared him to come prove himself in England. He has turned all English competitions to a joke

The same manager that won nothing in his debut season?

Turned what into a joke? Are you aware City’s small status is the reason why they couldn’t sack Pep in his debut season according to Pep himself?

Joezinho:
Zero trophies, 4 semis lost, played off the pitch at Leicester in the Quarter final of the FA Cup this year. Out of CL at group stages after 9 points from 12!

Progress!!

2019/2020
G38 Pts 66

2020/2021
G33 Pts 67.

Small steps but progress. Back Ole in the summer please. CM, Striker , Goalkeeper, Right winger, left winger, middle winger, fans all needed to help ole progress.

It’s 5 semis.

ChristoBam:
Check my previous posts. That's not what my argument was about. Spurs definitely had a better chance with Jose. But I think he'd have lost today.

Jose takes any match against United like a cup final. There's nothing he'd have loved more than to beat United last week. But he still got whipped.

Don't think today would have been different.

He got beat because his eyes were set on the final. Mou told his players to reduce the PPPDA so they don’t get injured.

There is no way Mourinho would have lost today because Pep was also eyeing their European game and he would have taken off his main players for the bigger prize - something Jose didn’t have to worry about.

weedtaker:
Last seasons was Bayern vs PSG and Sevilla vs Inter

You said Super Cup is a final.

Who played Super Cup semifinals?

KingAlabi:
Like it won dyano enddnekdmdhsmskn?

It’s won him 25 trophies.

Ole’s ultra attacking progressive football cannot even get past teams like Leicester or Wolves.

weedtaker:
lol, wetin e come be?

Which teams played the semifinal leading to the Super Cup.

ChristoBam:
What point are you trying to make gangan?

My point is Mourinho’s defensiveness can win games.

He’s the only manager on the planet that could have won today’s final but the media went after him that he was too negative.

They hired a positive manager that played exactly like Jose but minus the results Jose would have gotten.

You also opined they were positive before Jose but I just produced the evidence that they parked the bus against Pep’s teams each time. So the negative tactics isn’t the issue - something else is.

raumdeuter:
Jose lost the UEFA Super cup 2003 to Ancelotti
Jose lost the UEFA super cup 2013 to Guardiola
Jose lost the UEFA super cup 2017 to Zidane
Jose lost the FA cup 2018 to Cuntay

SuperCup isn’t a final.

raumdeuter:
You all dared Pep to come prove himself in England and he has turned it into a punching bag
3 league titles in the last 4 almost sealed

He won nothing in his debut season - that has already put him behind Conte, Mourinho, Pellegrini, Ranieri and Ancelotti who won the PL within 9 months of taking their respective jobs.

Pep has also failed to win 3 league titles in a row. SAF did it twice. With the amount of money he’s had to spend plus the full backing he’s got from the Arab owners, it’s a disgrace it took Pep 5 different attempts to make his first CL semifinal.

PL has been Pep’s worst record in his career. He’s lucky he works for a small club with bottomless funds. Pep himself said he would have been sacked in a big club with the results he posted in his debut season.

City is a small club so they couldn’t sack him.

ChristoBam:
Lol Poch's last game against City? You mean when everything had turned upside down with Poch and he was about to get the sack?

Poch's time was up. They were all playing like they had no motivation or something. The next best thing to do was to defend. If things stopped working for Pep, he'd be very defensive. I think even this season, after that bad patch of games, Pep went defensive for a long stretch of games.

But Mourinho has always been defensive from day one. I can't start to count how many times I've seen Spurs fall back to defend after going a goal up. Even when they were doing very well o.

Mourinho’s defensiveness has beaten Pep. He’s beaten Pep twice in the last 12 months or so.

One of those victories was without Harry Kane.

ChristoBam:
Spurs been playing defensive style of football for almost 2 years now. It's what they've been drilled to do.

Is a new manager that just took the job last week supposed to play attacking football in a cup final?

Are you sure about that?

Let me find the game stats of Poch’s last game against City.

30 Pep shots to Poch’s 3.

The revisionism on this thread is laughable. You people move the goalposts or change the narrative as the result changes.

nitrogen:
Levy no get sense. Should have at least allowed Mou to play finals before sacking him.

Failure is in his genes like Ole.

He’s presided over a club that has won nothing in 14 years. In any other organization, Levy would have resigned for failing in his primary objective.

If there’s any manager capable of beating Pep in this competition, it’s Jose. He sacked Jose and now he is the only one looking like the mōron. I am happy Spurs fans witnessed the game and will all go home heartbroken.

It’s the least they deserve.

Pep’s only final loss was against his nemesis - Mourinho!

I can’t believe Daniel Levy turned Son into this bag of misery.