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aminusanti:
naming descendants on the basis of past revered personalities has always been common practice and is often enshrined in tradition. Whether this be Mary, Moses, Aaron, John, Mark, Matthew, Luke, Paul, or Muhammad, Ayesha, Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali (etc). There is no reason why Mary could not have a father by the name of Imran or why Mary's name was not kept because of the reverence for the sister of Prophet Moses. (pbuh) Similarly two individuals who bear the same name each having a father with the same name does not imply that they are therefore, the same individuals.

Get this correct pls
*Father of Mary sister of moses and aaron in Bible=Amran(imran)

*Father of Mary sister of moses and aaron in Quran=Non

*Father of Mary jesus mother in d Bible= Non

*Father of Mary jesus mother in d Quran= Imran(amran)


YES


If you have problem accepting whats in Quran then why dnt u provide us the name of mary`s father from your scriptures (bible) or any source?? I guess she is an important icon in ur religion.

This your arguement is similar to the one of Pharaoh and Haman...read here and see how the quran correct the error in ur book (bible)

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/invitation2islam./2009/03/25/how-the-qur%25E2%2580%2599an-corrected-the-errors-of-the-bible/amp/

Lol..how is dis a problem?? so, re u saying if something is only mentioned once is a problem? And u got no problem with "son of & daughter of" huh?? Ok well done! Then how about "brother of"??

QURAN: >26:106
"Behold, their brother Noah said to them: "Will you not fear (God)?"

QURAN:> 011:050
"And to Ad (We sent) their brother Hud. He said: O my people! serve God, you have no god other than He; you are nothing but forgers (of lies)"

Even the Bible is familiar with elective spiritual relationships.

BIBLE > Mark 3:35
"Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother."
Do u have problem with d verse above and how many time was it mentioned? And is it brother n sister by lineage or by faith?

Luke 1:5
"There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron (Greek: Thugater), and her name was Elisabeth"
( is Elisabeth daughter by faith or lineage)



he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them."

Are you saying all xtians from najran(syria) at that time most know that tradition??

read n answer d above..
u r just ignorant of dis but pple that knw practice it. If u hv a muslim friend u can ask they might know it, especially d hausa tribe they r very much familiar with that practice..
Refer to my answers above.

We can continue to go back and forth. But I can see you actually believe what you are saying. Me on the other hand, I refuse to believe that there were two Marys with both having Imran as their father and then one Mary being called the sister of the other Mary's brother simply cuz he was a pious man. That's too much of a coincidence for me with this act never repeated again I. The Bible or the Koran.
And the Bible recorded Miriam and Aaron's father in exodus 6:20 and his name is Amran.
I put up my argument that Mary's father is Heli and she's from the tribe of Judah but you dismissed it because it's from the Bible and not the Koran.
Finally, that link you sent me on Haman is total hogwash. No record, I repeat, no record of Haman has been found in Egyptian histories. Take a look at that art they Claimed is in Australian museum. Does that look like Egyptian art to you? Don't believe everything you see on the internet sir. Koran correcting Bible errors? I laugh. God bless you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Lemme nor say anything yet.

aminusanti:
I think u r mixing things up here..
If u can go back nd read my previous posts i already explain all this...
° the mary this verse is talking about was the mother of jesus and her fathers name was also Imram

° the 1st mary which was aaron and moses sister their fathers name was also imran and they live in different time period with mary mother of jesus

Oh! Let me get this straight. So Miriam (Moses sister) had a father called Imran. Mary (Mother of Jesus) also had a father called Imran. But Allah called Mary (mother of Jesus) Aaron's sister (repeatedly) only because she was a pious woman like Aaron the sister of Miriam (and also sister of moses). And is there any other source that backs the claim that Mary's father was Imran? Let me guess! No! Just the Koran. And that's enough for you. Now let me highlight some problems in your claim. First, I will quote the Hadith u quoted earlier.
Sahih Muslim 5326--"Mughira b. Shuba reported: When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read 'O sister of Harun ["Aaron"]' (i.e. Hadrat Maryam) in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them."
Problem 1: The idea of calling a person "sister of" because she is from the family of a pious and righteous person was only done once in both the Bible and the Koran. There is absolutely no record of this practice in ancient Israel. "Son of", or " daughter of", was more common.
Problem 2: from the Hadith, the Christians of Najran didn't know this practice, because if they did, they wouldn't bring it to the Shuba dude to question him. So how come Christians didn't know of this practice?
Problem 3: even the Shuba dude didn't know of this practice that's why he brought it to Muhammad for better understanding.
So in conclusion: Christians didn't know this practice, Muslims didn't know this practice, just Muhammad.
Finally, Finally! Aaron and Moses had a father called Imran and a sister called Miriam. Miriam the mother of Jesus also had a father called Imran. And the Koran found it convenient to call Miriam the mother of Jesus sister of Aaron who's father was also Imran because she was a pious person like Aaron. Wow

aminusanti:
nothing much to xplain on dis verse, its straight forward thing...what are u trying to xplain on dis verse p ls, not clear

You don't get it. Mary the mother was Jesus was born by the wife of Imran, mother of Aaron. It says Mary came out of the wife of Imran. Does that not make Aaron and Mary mother of Jesus siblings according to your Koran? Let's be honest here.

aminusanti:
surah Al-imran was talking about mother of jesus..sorry I think I made a mistake in my prev post by saying its refering to 1st Mary instead of 2nd mary

Now read that verse again. It says Mary came out of the womb of the wife of Imran (who is Aaron's father). Care to explain that?

aminusanti:
Can you provide proof for your claim pls @highlighted

Surah 5:47: And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.
Surah 5: 68: Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.
Surah 18: 27: And recite, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord. There is no changer of His words, and never will you find in other than Him a refuge.
This last surah says you can't change Allah's words. So its a wonder how many Muslims claim Paul and latter day Christians changed his words? Remember Christianity was almost 700 years old when this verse was revealed.

onyenze123:
I am a deist and I believe in a supreme intelligent being that created the universe.

I respect whatever you choose to believe in but it pains me when people believe in something without concrete evidence and research.

Have a good night too

Hmmmm. And what makes you think I haven't done my research? Truth is, you don't know what people have gone through. I had a period of my life I doubted every single thing. I am a Christian not cuz I was born one, but cuz I know for sure I am serving the real, Living God.

onyenze123:
lol, bogus claims backed by faith which is dead evidence.

Why can't nairaland atheist have a normal debate without mocking one's beliefs? You lot think cuz you don't believe there is a God you are smarter than everyone else who thinks otherwise. But that is so not true. Try to have a normal debate sometime by respecting the persons beliefs (ya! Its possible). Have a wonderful night rest.

onyenze123:
Wonderment!

Please where did he say this?

Isaiah 30:18
John 3:16

onyenze123:
"Our tiny brains can't phantom God my brother"

So if we can't "phantom" God, why then do you claim he is merciful and just?

Because He said so.

Stewie101:
But it's still this same tiny brain you are using to describe him as just and merciful. If you can't phantom God, how then do you know all this about him?

I find it troubling that when you christians experience good happen in your life, or when you read a story in the bible where God does something good, then you forget you have tiny brains that can't phantom God and you use theae tiny brains to define God as loving and caring and just, but when you he does something bad or overtly immoral, like the barbaric and inhumane laws he endorsed in leviticus and numbers or the horrendous sanctioning of genocide in the old testament, you remember you have tiny brains that can't phantom him. I see this as a dangerous double standard and a failure to reason honestly and objectively.

Funny how you didn't reply my last post to you on why Christianity poses a threat to you but quickly jumped at this one. But seriously, why are you bothered about what God did in Leviticus if he is a fragment of man's imagination? Truth is, it is God's desire that we all know Him more. But if we can know everything about God then He isn't a God worth worshiping. As for what happened in Leviticus, when you create something, you determine what happens to whatever you create. The creation can't question the creator. And let's pretend these people destroyed by God where saints living normal lives. They where murderers, rapists and so on. I guess you cheer when soldiers wipe out Boko Haram camps? So why can't God wipe out evil from this world?

onyenze123:
Is there any solid evidence that hell exists?

And if you claim Christ came to save us from eternal condemnation, what happened to the people born before Christ? Why would a loving God condemn people to hell for eternity? Why would God send his only begotten Son to die for the sins of the whole world when he can easily forgive our sins?

God is just. A Just God means all sins must be punished. He is also merciful. Christianity is the only faith where Justice and Mercy meets. Because He is just, all sins must be punished. The wages of sin is death. Because he is merciful, He sends His son instead to die in our place. Our tiny brains can't phantom God my brother.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Come out public with your proofs and tests.

Since men invented camera, your God has been hiding. He only relies on old stories and false experience stories in order to exist.

Proof is a complex thing. We go to court and what serves as proof for one lawyer isn't sufficient proof for another. There is no proof I will show you that can convince you. The only one that can convince you is personal proof and that you will experience soon.
Buy meanwhile, leave us to our "delusion". You will join us soon

aminusanti:
Sorry once again for my late reply.. your post was really lenthy dats why
its easy to dissect your write-up, all you need is to highlight the exact part u want and press the quote button above and u r done. It wont end like last time as long as dnt apply albhagdadi 's senseless approaches.
Actual I have given you more than enough proofs and reasons that clear n support our arguement but you are just finding it hard to take and pls try to be making your post brief

Oh and lest i forget. Like I said, I am still reading about the genealogies of the Matthew and Luke. My explanation isn't FACT! Its still a hypothesis I am exploring. But don't you realize that a problem for us is also a problem for Islam? Because the Koran confirms the authenticity and preservation of the gospels. But let's leave this argument for another day and focus on the one at hand.

aminusanti:
Sorry once again for my late reply.. your post was really lenthy dats why
its easy to dissect your write-up, all you need is to highlight the exact part u want and press the quote button above and u r done. It wont end like last time as long as dnt apply albhagdadi 's senseless approaches.
Actual I have given you more than enough proofs and reasons that clear n support our arguement but you are just finding it hard to take and pls try to be making your post brief

Quick question. The Sura I quoted, was that talking about the first Mary (actual sister of Aaron) or second Mary (mother of Jesus)?

Paulopackager:
AM NOT SURPRISED AT SOME OF THE UNREASONABLE EXPLANATIONS THESE MUSLIMS GIVE TO SUPPORT THIER "BOOK OF DECEPTION" (QURAN) COS THE REASON IS NOT FAR FETCHED, ITS NOT EASY TO DIVERT FROM A RELIGION YOU WERE BROUGHT UP WITH ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT KILLS PEOPLE LIKE RAM.

IMAGINE THAT CUNNING AND CONFUSING LIE ABOUT THIER MARY SISTER OF AARON. YET THEY WILL SAY THE QURAN IS A MIRACLE. HOW IS IT A MIRACLE FOR SOMEONE TO WRITE A BOOK FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS AND DECEPTION. HOW IS IT A MIRACLE? UHH, HOW? THIER PROPHET MUHAMMED(GOD PUNISH HIM) COMES UP WITH A VERSE AND LATER ABROGATES IT YET IT WAS RECORDED IN THE QURAN THAT IT IS VERY SIMPLE TO READ. ONE OF THIER CONTRADICTION GOES THUS;

SURA 32:7-9 MAN WAS CREATED OUT OF CLAY. YET IN ORDER PLACES MAN IS SAID TO HAVE BEEN CREATED OUT OF A CLOT OF BLOOD. AGAIN SURA 23:12-14 AND SURA 80:18-19, MAN IS SAID TO HAVE BEEN CREATED OUT OF SPERM. IN THAT SURA 23:12-14 THEY SAID SPERM WAS MIXED WITH CLAY. PLS WHOSE SPERM? SURA 19:67 MAN WAS CREATED "OUT OF NOTHING".

That is just plain wrong

ScepticalPyrrho:
...The delusion is strong that in absence of evidences they fear anyone that attempts to scrutinize the beliefs.

The African Christian is worst of all. For the lack of written scriptures and historical antecedents they condemn their ancestral religions, and they believe an unverifiable foreign folklore is an authentic account of history of the universe.

Our irritation and criticism stems from these fact. Hence, we do that by simply demanding proofs for the wild claims/beliefs. And always, they fail to present any justification for holding onto a Middle-Eastern religion as a universal path to a "creator".

You see, my friend, we are doing those who are willing to use their brains a favour. The world has achieved a lot by engaging in objective research. Dogmatism/religiosity has never contributed to human knowledge or development.

Thank you sir. We appreciate your concern. But my God is tested and proven. You will experience Him soon.

Stewie101:
Because what you guys believe influences various areas of my life and my society in a lot of ways, and most of these influences are negative.

Also, I live in a world where more than half of the population have been brainwashed to believe things that are not true. I am doing you guys a huge favour by trying to get you to see the truth.
Imagine you saw a friend clinging tenaciously to a harmful dea that you knew with certainty wasn't't true, and this idea was modulating his thoughts and actions. Would you leave him to continue conducting his life according to this idea or would you try to dissuade and disillusion him from subscribing to this idea? If you'd do the later, then that's exactly what I am doing.

I wonder why its always Christianity that is attacked? Islam causes the most harm to you and every other atheist directly or indirectly, but still you attack Christians. Traditional worshipers conduct human sacrifices and all other inhumane things but still christianity is what affects you the most? I want you to calm down and think. "What has Christianity done to me that I hate is so much"? Imagine a world where 98 percent are Christians except you and other Nairaland atheist. And then imagine one with 98 percent Muslims (with sharia) except you and other nairaland atheists. Which is safer for you sir? I think you are pointing your gun at the wrong direction.

alBHAGDADI:
Pls, aminusanti, you have a serious comment to counter below. Don't act oblivious of it.

Lol. He's replied me and I have given him my counter argument.

aminusanti:
Thanks for your time and sorry for my lateness, appreciate your kind words.
I can see u are mixing things up here and trying really hard to give this a different meaning without any proof, I gave you proof based on Quran n Hadith but you r now saying I should put those aside !! Then why dont you provide us with solutions from the scriptures that are reliable sir?? Why all this double standard??

* You got no problem that jesus, a man without a father was called son of david and son of joseph

* You got no problem that jesus a man without a genealogy was given two separate genealogies of which no two of the 66 names are the same.

* why is it today you find people having all those pious people`s names (prophet)??

AGAIN!

the idiom "Sister of Aaron" merely means "righteous woman" or "kinswoman of Aaron".

(SAHIH BUKHARI)
"Mughira b. Shu'ba reported: When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read" O sister of Harun" (i. e. Hadrat Maryam) in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (Peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them."


At that moment, somebody wanted to humiliate Mariam by knowing that honor was EVERYTHING to her. The perfect way to do that is to knock her down by comparing her with the sister of HUMBLE H/ARON. Allah swt wanted to stress importance of HUMILITY and that was the reason she wasn’t called as “sister of Moses” cos H/ARON is the best known for his humble attitude and that is why he is chosen to be a companion in propethood along with his brother Moses who was more strict than him

I’m not here to pursue my ideas on force, to push it on people’s eyes. We are all gonna die, but it is my duty to tell this even after I know I will be pulled down cos I don’t deny possibility it is truth.



According to ur claims above. Pls read below carefully
Holy QUR`AN knows the 1st Mariam (sister of Aaron) and the 2nd Mariam (mother of jesus)

»Surah Mariam 19 verse No. 28«

"O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."

>Mary, Mariam and Miriam are the same. The spellings defer due to change of language.

Moses was 3 years old when he started living in the palace of the pharoah.
Aaron (harun) and miriam used to live with their kinsmen in Goshen. Therefore in the holy Quran the people of mariam call Mariam sister of Aaron because moses stayed separately in the palace.
The family of mariam, aaron and moses was very pious. Perhaps mariam the mother of jesus was named after mariam the sister of aaron and moses. The names of the fathers of both mariam were imran (Amram).
The Holy Quran clearly says that the Torah was revealed after pharoah was drowned and psalms was revealed ti Devid and the injil was revealed to jesus. Therefore the quran is not in anyway confused about the timing of the 1st and 2nd maryam.

thanx a bunch
MAY ALLAH OPEN YOUR HEART TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE TRUTH.

Thing is i don't know how to dissect your write up like you do mine. I guess I'm a Nairaland novice. So I will try to address all your points and please if I miss anyone, remind me in your next reply. Thank you for replying anyway and I really hope this discussion of ours doesn't end like the last one and we reach a reasonable solution to our problem.
1st, Jesus is called son if David because he is from the lineage of David. Now go with me slowly. The reason why Matthew and Luke have different Genealogies is because it is believed (still doing my research on this though.) that while Matthew traces the genealogy of Jesus through Joseph, Luke traces through Mary. And both of them end up being from the lineage of David who is from the house of Judah. This counters your argument that Mary is from the family of Aaron because He is from the tribe of Levi. Now this is not just a conjecture, there are lots of reasons for this theory of different genealogy. Now while Matthew says the father of Joseph (Jesus earthly father) was the son of Jacob, Luke claims he is the son of Heli. Now let's look at Luke 3:23 closely.
When He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Heli,
Notice that Luke specifically called Joseph the SUPPOSED FATHER OF JESUS. He is specifically highlighting the fact that Joseph is not Jesus real father. Now you have to ask the question, if Jesus is known as the lion of the tribe of Judah, or the son of David, how can this be when Joseph had absolutely nothing to do with his birth? Jesus was virgin born, that we both agree on. Isn't it more rational that this lineage to David is actually from Mary? The question you will raise is that Luke called Heli the father of Joseph but you and I will argue that in Jewish Genealogy, women do not appear. Also consider the fact that Matthew's primary audience were the Jews. He was trying to sell Jesus as their king so had to place his genealogy through the royal bloodline of Joseph up to David. While Luke wrote his gospels primarily for the gentiles and so traces Jesus through his actual bloodline, through Mary and up till David and then Abraham and then Adam. So Matthew gave Royal genealogy while Luke gave blood genealogy. So while there is absolutely no proof in the Bible that Mary is from the tribe of Levi (Aaron's tribe), there is little proof (admittedly not enough) that she is from the tribe of Judah.
But for the sake of argument, let us agree she is from the family of the pious and Righteous Aaron. Aaron was the first Priest of Israel. His father Imran was no priest. Wouldn't it be more reasonable to call her daughter of Aaron instead of sister? You claim she is referred to as sister of Aaron because of her pious and righteous nature. But that makes little sense. Jesus was called son of David (because of his kingship) and not brother of David. Arent Mohammed's wifes called the mothers of the believers? Why not sisters? You get my point? She was called daughter of Imran when Imran was not even a priest or a pious man.
Now I will point you back to your Koran to proof that Miriam sister of Aaron was actually taken to be Mary. Let's see Surah 3: 35-36.
Behold! wife of `Imran said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service ... When she was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!" ... "... I have named her Mary ...."
Sorry I couldn't quote everything. The whole thing is in the image below. So from that verse Mary is clearly the female child that came out of the wife if Imran! This no genealogical relationship. SHE DELIVERED A FEMALE CHILD AND NAMED HER MARY.
one final question. Is there any other instance in the Koran which one person is constantly referred to as the sister or daughter of a distant relative? Isn't it strange that Mary was constantly referred to as the sister of Aaron and daughter of Imran and never was referred in her relationship with her REAL parents or siblings?

aminusanti:
LETS TAKE ONE AT A TIME

Harun (Aaron) was the name given to righteous people amongst them, because of a man amongst them called Harun who was very righteous. So when she brought the baby, they said to her "O sister of Harun", meaning "O one who is associated with rectitude, righteousness" because she came from a righteous family. Al-Tabari mentions this view from Qataadah (an early commentator of the Qur'an who studied with the Prophet's companions), and Muhammad bin Seereen and others. Al-Baghawi mentions that Qataadah and others stated that Aaron was a righteous worshipper and that forty-thousand people followed his funeral the day that he died and all of them were called Aaron. This name therefore was associated with piety and righteousness and hence, the use of the phrase "O sister of..." is not referring to blood relationship. This is like the saying of Allaah,

"Verily, the spendthrifts (those who squander wealth) are the brethren of the devils..."

(17:27). Al-Baghawi also cites a narration from al-Kalbi that Aaron referred to here was a brother of Maryam through her father, and he was the most righteous man amongst Bani Isra'eel in that time. Ibn Kathir supports this view and cites from al-Tabari in this regard. And Imaam al-Sa'dee from the contemporary Scholars of Ahl al-Sunnah (those adhering to the Prophetic tradition) also supports the view that this statement is referring to an actual brother of Mary called Aaron, and that the Bani Israa'eel used to call their children by the names of former prophets.

(Source)
http://www.islamjesus.ws/articles/gqune-why-was-mary-referred-to-as-sister-of-aaron-when-she-brought-the-baby-jesus-to-her-people.cfm

If you have a better explanation kindly forward it here then I will consider choosing btw d 2.]

First I have to commend you for standing for your beliefs. Its never easy when people continue spot what seems to be errors in your beliefs. Trust me, I get my own fair share from atheists. So well done sir. But I will have to disagree with you. Your first explanation, that I have heard before from a Muslim apologist I honestly respect Dr Ally shabir. But I don't go with it. Thing is Muslims tend to have their own history exclusive from others and they believe it simply because its in the Koran and the Koran is the word of Allah. For instance the Koran is the only document that states that Jesus didn't die. Greek documents say he died, Roman documents and Jewish Documents say he died, but just the Koran says he didn't. Well, thats an argument for another day. Let's not derail our discussion with that. Your story of 40,000 people all called Aaron is nowhere found in any Jewish historical document. And there is no suggestion that the name Aaron was used in association with piety or righteous people. After Aaron, there were lots of people who were said to be piety and righteous and none of them was called Aaron.
Secondly, Surah 3:33 kills your argument. Mary (Maryam) was called the daughter of Imran (Amran in the Bible). Now Mary's father wasn't known in the Bible so you have to ask, who is this Imran (Amran)? My bible tells me he is the father of Aaron. So while Mary was called sister of Aaron, she was also called daughter of Imran (Amran), Aaron's father.
Now I have a more plausible solution to our problem. *drums roll*. Mary is known as Maryam in Arabic. I'm I correct? Aaron in the Bible had a sister called Miriam. Is it possible Mohammed or Allah actually thought Maryam was the same person as Miriam sister of Aaron? Remove your Islam tinted glasses for a while and look at this from a neutral perspective. Doesn't my explanation make more sense? God bless you in the name of our Lord Jesus.

aminusanti:
are u real dis time around or you r just here to kill time arguing blindly as usual?? I can proceed to address all ur queries without any issue but once u startd ur cherry picking old trick I wont waste a sec on you again.. agreed?

Come on. We are friends aren't we? Just two people trying to learn. We don't have to hostile. Like I said, I always want to learn. So please, address these issues for me thank you.

aminusanti:
da differences r bible is full of errors n contradictions while quran is free from all those but if u doubt it you can go ahead and point out just 1 error or 1contradiction from d quran

The Koran called Mary the sister of Aaron. The Koran said one of Joseph's companions in the prison was crucified. Crucifixion was not in existence until thousands of years later. The Koran says the sun sets in pool of murky water. The Koran says shooting starts are used to shoot demons spying on God. Can I go on?

Qur'an 2:282—O you who believe! When you contract a debt for a fixed period, write it down. Let a scribe write it down in justice between you. Let not the scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so let him write. Let him (the debtor) who incurs the liability dictate, and he must fear Allah, his Lord, and diminish not anything of what he owes. But if the debtor is of poor understanding, or weak, or is unable himself to dictate, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her. And the witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (for evidence). You should not become weary to write it (your contract), whether it be small or big, for its fixed term, that is more just with Allah; more solid as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves, save when it is a present trade which you carry out on the spot among yourselves, then there is no sin on you if you do not write it down. But take witnesses whenever you make a commercial contract. Let neither scribe nor witness suffer any harm, but if you do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So be afraid of God; and God teaches you. And God is the All-Knower of each and everything.

Qur'an 2:223—Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth when or how you will, and send (good deeds, or ask Allah to bestow upon you pious offspring) before you for your ownselves. And fear Allah, and know that you are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give good tidings to the believers (O Muhammad).

Qur'an 4:34—Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them.

Sahih al-Bukhari 2658—The Prophet said: “Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?” The women said: “Yes.” He said: “This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.”

Sunan Abu Dawud 2159—Ibn Abbas said: Ibn Umar misunderstood (the Qur’anic verse, “so come to your tilth however you will”)—may Allah forgive him. The fact is that this clan of the Ansar who were idolaters lived in the company of the Jews who were the people of the Book. They (the Ansar) accepted their superiority over themselves in respect of knowledge, and they followed most of their actions. The people of the Book (i.e. the Jews) used to have intercourse with their women on one side alone (i.e. lying on their backs). This was the most concealing for (the vagina of) women. This clan of the Ansar adopted this practice from them. But this tribe of the Quraish used to uncover their women intensely, and seek pleasure with them from in front and behind and laying them on their backs. When the Muhajirun (the Immigrants) came to Medina, a man married a woman of the Ansar. He began to do the same kind of action with her, but she disliked it, and said to him: We were approached on one side (i.e. lying on back); do it so, otherwise keep away from me. This matter of theirs spread widely, and it reached the Apostle of Allah. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “Your wives are a tilth to you, so come to your tilth however you will,” i.e. from in front, from behind or lying on the back. By this the verse meant the place of the delivery of the child, i.e. vagina.

Sunan Ibn Majah 1853—It was narrated that Abdullah bin Abu Awfa said: “When Mu’adh bin Jabal came from Sham, he prostrated to the Prophet, who said: “What is this, O Mu’adh?’ He said: ‘I went to Sham and saw them prostrating to their bishops and patricians (i.e. aristocrats), and I wanted to do that for you.’ The Messenger of Allah said: ‘Do not do that. If I were to command anyone to prostrate to anyone other than Allah, I would have commanded women to prostrate to their husbands. By the One in Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad! No woman can fulfill her duty towards Allah until she fulfills her duty towards her husband. If he asks her (for intimacy) even if she is on her camel saddle, she should not refuse.’”

Jami at-Tirmidhi 1160—Talq bin Ali narrated that the Messenger of Allah said: “When a man calls his wife to fulfill his need, then let her come, even if she is at the oven.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 5825—Narrated Ikrima: Rifaa divorced his wife whereupon Abdur-Rahman married her. Aisha said that the lady came wearing a green veil and complained to her (Aisha) and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating. It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s messenger came, Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!” When Abdur-Rahman heard that his wife had gone to the prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, “By Allah! I have done no wrong to him, but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this,” holding and showing the fringe of her garment. Abdur-Rahman said, “By Allah, O Allah’s messenger! She has told a lie. I am very strong and can satisfy her, but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifaa.” Allah's messenger said to her, “If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifaa unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you.” The prophet saw two boys with Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), “Are these your sons?” On that Abdur-Rahman said, “Yes.” The prophet said, “You claim what you claim (that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow.”


Source: http://www.answeringmuslims.com/p/quran.html?m=1

Jibril659:
Islam is perfect
Muslims are not.
do not judge many by the actions of a few

But he was thought in an Islamic school na.

schwarzkopf:
Inasmuch as I condemn the act of this guy stop making it seems like the whole religion support his act. A lot of priest from your side are facing charges of child molestation all over Europe, Australia and America too, can same brush be use to paint the whole of Christianity. I don't give a f***k about the whole Abrahamic brainwashing bullish***t.

Reason why you can't use the same brush to paint the whole Christianity is cuz there is nowhere Jesus told us to have canal knowledge of underage girls. Those priests go against our beliefs, these men go with your beliefs. See the difference?

BetaThings:
Judaism started before Christianity
What should the Jews believe?

There are contradictions between the old and new testaments. Some Christians (even on NL) stick to the NT, some to the OT and majority to the two. So if Christians are dissociating from certain parts of the Bible, why should Muslims not say it is corrupted
Afterall the Bible has been revised severally in the past several years

Were people called Christians during the time of Jesus Christ?

My bible has both the old and the new testaments. The old testament is just a preparation for the new after Adam fell. I will never dissociate myself from the old testament. Again, you Koran confirmed the gospels and the Torah. So if you want me to believe your Koran, I have to believe the old testament and the new testament.

BetaThings:
The Qur'an copied the Bible yet it disagrees with the Bible on the most IMPORTANT tenets
The Qur'an declares that
1. God does not have a Child
2. The Trinity is unfounded
3. Don't call on anyone beside God

Even where accounts are similar, when you read the accounts in the Qur'an you will see that it is more dignifying than the Biblical accounts
Go and read the story of Joseph in the Bible and the story in Chapter 12 of the Qur'an and see how more befitting of a Prophet is the conduct of Joseph's father than what is written in the Bible
Or even the account of the conception of Jesus
infact, the story of the exoneration of Mary (for her pregnancy while saying no man had ever touched her) in the Qur'an is more believable than what is written in the Bible

Why would you copy and paste the non-essentials and disagree with the essential

We all know about how the Bible was compiled - start with the Council of Nicea

Christianity started in the 1st century. Council of Nicea was in the third. And even your Koran in the 7th century confirms the "corrupted" Bible. So what do I believe?

Anythingelse:
My friend, please stop saying what you don't know, can you pls show me just one contradiction in the Quran?

The Koran referred to Jesus as the word of God.

MaziOmenuko:
Yet no one outside the Christian faith can actually testify seeing him? You actually believed that the entire world wouldn't contain books written about his acts which was just less than a week after he supposedly resurreted yet his works for his entire 33 yrs b4 dealth was contained in just 4 books of mat mark Luke and John?

There was one man outside the Christian faith who saw him (lots of men outside the Christian faith saw Him but only this one was recorded) and his name is paul.