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spacetacular:
I love everyone thats why i do what i do as an emergency medical specialist. We do not ask for beliefs or lack of them before rushing to the rescue and stabilizing victims of incidents and accidents. We have our fair share of atheists here and i am used to their outbursts and dodgy behaviour especially when confronted. They tend to try and turn everything into a verbal weapon against you. Say the wrong word or use the wrong term or stand the wrong way and they would focus on that like hawks but i love them regardless and all of them have one form of complex or the other so i understand their frailties.

I am loving this website and being on my week off (the longest ever) i will spend it here. i normally work 48hour shifts.

Wow! Wish I could say "Please don't go", but you have lives to save, which is more important.

Strawman:
cc KingEbukasBlog, felixomor

I came to this section to check on all ye brethren, but I am witnessing the scene of a young lass named spacetacular brutalise a young lad named CatfishBilly using medical facts. And another young lad named ilynem is instigating the whole brutality. Does this happen often nowadays??

I am not instigating anything oh . I am just a mere spectator .

spacetacular:
Its most likely he has dreams of being a medical doctor and has been digging up and devouring online journals while aspiring to become one. I suspect he is yet to begin any medical course but thinks himself a fantasy medical doctor. He has been probably lying to everyone here that he is a doctor when i can see he isnt. If he had mentioned his medical specialty i would have ripped his lying quack fantasy medical doctor claims to shreds as i expose the charlatan and he knows this so has been avoiding giving me an answer to that question.

He is still free to prove me wrong by mentioning it. lol

Dr Quack Catfishbilly what is your medical specialty?

I really feel bad for him. It's not funny when you have your over inflated ego deflated the way you have done. Watch them gang up against you on other threads. They will even create threads specifically to discredit and mock you like they do with felixmore and KingEbukasblog. You will probably be the subject of their discussion through out today on their WhatsApp group. That's how childish these nairaland atheists are. Can't have a reasonable discussion with them without having them attack your person and your beliefs. Just remember to show them love whenever they come at you with their hate filled attacks. It will be difficult, but we have a duty to love them no matter what.
So CatfishBilly, what is your medical specialty sir?

CatfishBilly:
I've moved past the point in medicine where people exchange words to the point where people drop references when making claims, something you know nothing about, now sit down in one corner and shut up.

So much anger Trust me, I'm seated with my popcorn, watching her drag you on the floor.

Dear Mr CatfishBilly, Aren't you ashamed that a "mere paramedic who drives ambulances" is actually dragging you in the mud? I am not medical practitioner, but when Spacetacular asked a question and you had to pull out that online Journal, that was just painful to see.
But Sir, what is your medical specialty?

ignis:
I still maintain that religion has done more harm than good in Africa.

You can't be more correct ma

CoolUsername:
The fact that we don't have a set beliefs that we all accept as true. Churches are for worship. An association is solely for networking.

So you are just a bunch if confused lads trying to find closure? Oh Good. And oh! The church is not the building. The church is the people in the building. Just so you know.

CoolUsername:
Okay, to everyone who thinks that every form of association with like-minded individuals is the same thing as forming a religion. You are mistaken.

The FFRF is an American organization that represent the religiously unaffiliated in legal cases of abuse of religious privilege. We do not have a strong institution like this in Nigeria...yet.

So, what is wrong in a grassroots social club of religiously unaffiliated people like you and me that would help us network, interact, and exchange advice with one another? Even more importantly, what's religious about developing a network to help persecuted freethinkers who are in need? Not every social group has to be religious and I highly doubt that online networking would devolve us into some sort of dogmatic cult.

I get your point. Not all associations are religious. But reading through that list, that is something I should be doing as a Christian. As for the association part, we have out own. We call it a church. So my question is, what makes atheism different?

Born2Freak:
It is easy to criticize religion and defeat religious arguments but it is another thing to create a change. Our country Nigeria needs change. Talking on nairaland is one thing but making progress in real life is another.


1) Self-improvement and leading by examples.
There is no better way to show people your core beliefs other than leading by example. If you are successful and hardworking, people will emulate you. No one listens to a poor preacher. No one cares if you're an atheist in Nigeria if you're successful. When Mark Zuckerberg came to Nigeria, no one cared that he once put "atheist" as his belief on facebook- Nigerians just wanted to talk and take selfies with him.

2) Networking with other atheists
I have met some other atheists off nairaland and I am glad that I did. Not only do you get to make friends that are on your side, there are business opportunities as well. Also, marriage opportunities, if you are looking for a partner with similar beliefs.

3) Joining foreign (European and American) Humanist/skeptic/atheist groups
One has to think globally nowadays. I hosted a german guy in Nigeria during last christmas. We met on a humanist forum and he was coming to Nigeria but didnt have much contacts in Nigeria. And now, i have a friend to visit anytime i'm in Germany. It is important to make global connections because you never know where life can take you. PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR YAHOO MAGA 419. Although foreign currency is powerful nowadays.

4) Getting your views out on other Nigerian media
I once heard someone criticising religion on 96.9 cool FM when listening to the radio. The guy called cool FM and blasted Nigerian pastors as he was angry that a woman died because she went to a church instead of a hospital. The guy caller stated that he does not follow any religion and also blasted the radio host for trying to mock his disbelief. Now, thousands of Nigerians would have heard the guy's complaint on the radio and agree with his logic. You never know who is listening to you. Radio and twitter are great mediums in which one can be protected by anonymity and still reach millions of people.

5) Engaging in NGOs and charities.
Last year, I joined a charity that was working with village children and giving them some education. I got to advice the older youths about watching out for themselves and protecting themselves from slave labour, STDs and superstitious nonsense. One can make little changes in people's lives through charities.

The irony of your post is that Christianity encourages all these. Except the "joining atheist groups" thingy which is equivalent to joining a church!

Born2Freak:
Seriously dropping. i just found out that wednesdays in DELSU (a state university) is a day for praise and worship. Lectures end by 12 or so on that day. A state owned university

If this is true, then its really rubbish. I am a Christian, but this is nonsense. Bible says there is time for everything. We have every time on earth to praise and worship God. We have time on Sundays. I do it in my room every single day. You don't have to stop lectures to "praise and worship" God. I condemn this action highly and whoever made that rule has little knowledge of the Bible.

frank317:
I really pity Christians and Muslims for wanting God to exist by all means. This is not really their fault. who wouldnt want God to exist and come to his aid in a world filled with both love and pain, sadness and happiness, tears and joy, laughter and cry. who wouldnt want a divine help from above. The thought of being alone in the universe can be depressing to a weak mind and trust me, many people are weak.

So they force God to exist. They make up ridiculous stories to fill in their awe. They create a superhero in their mind and call it God. And for this super hero to make sense, they create a villain for him. But sadly they are both this God and devil. Their head becomes a battle ground for both God and devil, and they struggle every day to stop a war that they created by themselves.

I pity them because they belief in something that they have never seen, spoken with or felt. Just an idea in their head that have taken over their sense of being. Now they see danger were their is none, they see demons and evil spirits and enemies everywhere. Is sad to see a normal smart human, call himself helpless, and sinful just because he makes mistakes in life. He condemns himself and talk to himself asking himself for forgiveness.

They become adults acting like kids in the name of a being they only see in their head. if you tell them otherwise, they say you are angry with their God. How I wish God exist, I would really be angry at him for creating such a world of uncertainties. Where you lose a loved one and never see him/her again. Where you have to work hard to earn a living always struggling and thinking hard to keep your head above the water.

I pity Christians and muslims because they cant stand thinking we are all alone, they are slaves to their wishes and desires. I pity them because they cant face reality. Its sad watching good people put all their hope in hopelessness. You look up and see nothing, yet you hold unto nothingness, wishing so strongly and badly they their is someone out there watching and willing to help them. Having comfort in falsehood and struggling each day to make sense of nothing... it just plain sad.

no wonder, they get angry when questioned. They call you names, accuse u wrongly and indirectly beg you to stop the questions. They beg with mix feelings of violence and soft plea. They want you to just stop because their world will fall apart if they find out that they are actually all alone and have no but just themselves.

I pity them because they dont have the strength to embrace reality.

Wow!
Nice article! It won't be out of place on a secondary school notice board.

spacetacular:
Assuming he has any. It's a thing of honour to declare your medical specialty but Dr fish has refused to disclose his even after I began sounding like a broken record asking the same question.

He knows he is a bloody quack so dare not mention it. I am an emergency medical specialist with emphasis on traumatology and I am not afraid to say it. He should declare his.

He is not going to. Him and the rest of them will run into their little hole until they have something new to feed on and then they will come out in their numbers. That's how it works here. I have to give you credit though. Standing up to all of them, it was lovely to see. Thank you very much for standing up to what you believe in. Plus you are proof that Science doesn't automatically make one an atheist like they all believe here. That is why they wi always try to discredit you.

cadanre:
....and the salvation you are talking about will come from?

Accepting Christ as our lord and personal savior

spacetacular:
Apnoea, absence of brain stem activity and coma are the 3 checks attached and I hope you know Apnoea is temporary so not accurate. Coma can also be temporary so not accurate. OCR is riddled with false positives under certain conditions so not 100% so tell me where your brain stem reflexes stands?

I asked a question about being on a ventilator and ICU if it's death or being comatose even when there is no brain stem reflex observed. Answer it please sir.

Also what is your medical specialty?

He has Still not given us his medical specialty.

NASTYNASOSO:
MISCONCEPTION ABOUT A VERSE IN THE QUR'AN BY THOSE WHO CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIANS.

Allah says in the Qur'an;
"If you are in doubts concerning what Allaah revealed (The QUR'AN), ask those who have been reading the book before you..."Qur'an 10:94.
According to the understanding of those who claims to be Christians​, Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam was in doubts about the Qur'an that has been revealed to him so Allah was recommending him to read the Bible for clarification or ask Bible scholars.

The first thing we have to know is that, Qur'an never mention Bible. The word Bible is not mentioned even in the Bible. It was not mentioned in the Qur'an either. The mistake some Muslim scholars make is that, when Qur'an mentions injil or Torah, they translate it as Bible. That's a terrible translation. They've mutilated the verse AstaghfirulLah. First of all, let's summarises what's the Bible.

The word Bible originated from the Greek word BIBLIA/BILIOUS which means collection of books or the books. In AD325, there was a council in of necea organized by Constantine, the first Roman Emperor to accept Christianity. He combined all the Churches in his empire under one umbrella and were called the Catholic which means universal. Today, the Catholic Church is the oldest existing Church in the Christian world. Constantine also selected Bishops to compile all the Brooks that are used by the Church. They decided which books should be added and which ones should be rejected. They rejected certain books which they called it Apocrypha. Apocrypha means not inspired to be in the word of God. They finally had 73 books as inspired by God. 46 in the old testament and 27 new testament books. Martin Luther and some few people protested against the authenticity of some 7 books which were added to the Bible because they were not translated into Greek. The Bible was later reduced from 73 to 66. The 66 books of the Bible is called the Protestant Bible. It was fully translated into English in 1611 by king James. It was known as the authorized version. Authorized by king James not God Almighty. The 73 Books of the Bible was translated as the Douay version also called the Roman Catholic version. It still exist within the Catholic Church. After the compilation, they later agreed on a suitable name to be given to the book. They called it the Bible. They choose this name because the Bible consist of different books from different authors. It is accepted by all Christians that 40 different authors wrote the Bible. This is why it is called a collection of books, ie. different books.

All these efforts to compile the Bible was done by the Romans to preserve the doctrine used by the Jews and the Christian Church. The compilation was not done by prophets of God or their companions like we have in hadith but by common men like me and you. It wasn't audited by God but by Constantine, Martin Luther and other Bishops. Paul was not a prophet but he has a lot of his books recorded in the Bible.

The Bible therefore consist of words of God and words of men. Example of the word of God in the Bible is the 10 commandments in Exodus 20:1-10. Example of the words of men consist of all the letters of Paul which were added into the Bible and other people who were not prophet but their words are recorded in the Bible. There are also a lot of contradictions in the Bible which include Genesis 6:5 "God repented for making man and it pain him in his heart" AstaghfirulLah, and numbers 19:23 "God is not a man to repent or the son of man to lie". The Bible also consist of a lot of incest which include the incest of Judah who had sex with his daughter-in-law, Genesis chapter 38. It also consist of sexy words which are not advisable for children to read like Ezekiel chapter 23 and songs of songs 1:2 which says "and kiss me with the kisses of your mouth, for your love is sweeter than wine..

All these can not be called the words of God even though they are found in the Bible. And this is some of the reason why Muslims don't believe in the total authenticity of the Bible.

The Bible today has gone through series of editions and versions. There are about 100 versions of the Bible today. Each version is different from the other. As for the original version of the Bible, no one knows where is it.

The injil and Torah according to the Qur'an is not the Bible but the original words which were coming out from the mouth of Moses and Jesus. If someone is able to produce the original words of Jesus and Moses, we'll believe in it as the Qur'an wants us to believe in the words of the prophets of Israel.

Now the topic is, was Muhammad in doubt of the Qur'an? The answer is NO! What is your proof?
My proof to my fellow Christians is in Qur'an 2:285 which says "the messenger (Muhammad) believed what was revealed to him from his Lord...".
This means the verse in Qur'an 10:94 was not directly referring to Muhammad but to those who doubt that Muhammad's name was written in their book. The Qur'an was therefore recommending them to ask those who have been reading the original books of Jesus and Moses before them. Allah was informing the Prophet to tell those who doubt about the revelation to him that they can refer to their books about the prophesies of Muhammed sallallahu alaihi wasallam and the Qur'an which they've tried and removed, twisted etc from their books. It also refer to those who have been studying the Qur'an meaning if anyone doubt about the Qur'an can ask those who have been reading or studying it. Alhamdulillah.

May Allah help Christians to understand and aid us in understanding our deen. Aameen.

The Bolded. I need you to read it slowly and see the hypocrisy in that statement.

aminusanti:
If you read the op carefully d author has already explain that and jeremiah 8:8 confirm that as well..
My simple question for you here is
Do you believe the Qur an to be word of God? If not then why then qouting and interpreting it?

You see, my point is this. If Mohammed and others were told to go to the people of the book, then the "book" should have been in existence then. But the "book" the OP was talking about, where Muhammad was mentioned by name has never been seen. Has been deleted from history. No trace of it. Nothing. So why would Allah ask us to go to a "book" that no longer exists? Simple answer. The book was in existence and it was the one used by the Jews and the Christians. The one we use now. I know you will come up with "king James translated it and added or removed from it", but that is just a very lazy argument. You know why? The sources used by king James are still in existence today (unlike the original book where Mohammed was mentioned by name). Hundreds of ancient manuscripts that if we decide re-write the entire Bible today, we can.

spacetacular:
So you tag me as being superficial simply because i hold a contrary more authentic experience based opinion from yours? Thank you for noticing me at least. Its not my fault you have a complex.

Followed your discussion with the catfish guy yesterday and now this. Truth is atheists on Nairaland have this weird belief that they are intellectually superior than those who believe in God. They call us myopic and backward. Anybody who they feel intimidated by intellectually (like you), they tend to discredit and that's when you see the anger they feel towards a God (who they dont believe exists) come out. And this is also when the name calling starts. My dear, sometimes they should be left to wallow in their ignorance, it actually helps them sleep better at night. And whatever you do, don't ever reply that Otem dude. He's a whole new level of weird. You are currently my bestestestest person on nairaland everrrrrr

aminusanti:
kindly highlight just 1out of d gazillion u re claiming

You and I knew the gazillion part was an exaggeration. But I will love you to address this:
Quick question. The council of nicea was in the 4th century. Muhammad came in the 7th century. So when Allah says go to the people of the book, is it the same corrupt version from the council of nicea or the supposed original version which no one has ever seen (no record of it from ancient manuscripts) in which Muhammad's name was mentioned?

And watch the atheists come with their theories in 5,4,3,2,1...

thesicilian:
I do not know how true that is though. I pray the truth will be revealed someday.

Well, I am very familiar with Islam. They practice a monotheism and see Jesus as a human prophet. The truth has been revealed in the Bible. Get familiar with it.

thesicilian:
I am a born again Christian.

So if you believe Christ to be God, you will know that before Christ said love your neighbors, he said we should love and honour God. We believe Jesus to be God. So we must honour Christ as God and accept his divinity. Unfortunately, the Muslims don't do this and that is why they are going to hell.

yourexcellency:
Powerful man. He singlehandedly installed the present Oba of Benin

Haaaaaaaaaaa! Oga take it easy na

thesicilian:
My statement stands for itself.

Wanted to know if you believe Christ to be God?

One of my nairaland mentors

aminusanti:
Very true..
Nice Write-up...jazakallah hair

My friend! You want to have another go? cuz I can spot over a gazillion errors in his write up.

OP. Quick question. The council of nicea was in the 4th century. Muhammad came in the 7th century. So when Allah says go to the people of the book, is it the same corrupt version from the council of nicea or the supposed original version which no one has ever seen (no record of it from ancient manuscripts) in which Muhammad's name was mentioned?

thesicilian:
It makes some sense to me though, even as a Christian. If a man can truly love God and his neighbour, and bears no I'll will towards anyone in his heart, why would a loving God deny him access into heaven?

Are you a Christian?

alBHAGDADI:
Those that started this lovely religion were all killed. Some got crucified, beheaded, fried in hot oil, burnt alive, fed alive to the lions etc.

It's so sad to see those that are professing Christianity today wearing expensive shoes, flying in jets, and owning mansions. With such luxurious living, these men can never stand Satan's tests. Satan doesn't even need to test them cos they are already in fellowship with him.

Apostle suleman communing with a police IG is equivalent to what would have happened if Jesus Christ had made friends with Pontius Pilate who ordered him to be flogged.

I agree with you on so many things, but this, i'm afraid sir, I have to disagree.

And yet Christianity is everyone's headache

bond77:
Hmmm I kind of agree with you and I envy your optimism but when will people like us get there? Our youth are becoming more corrupt than ever before. Some of them even dream of emptying our reserve if they are given the opportunity to be in any political office. Others may have a good mindset but by virtue of our corrupt system they may turn the other cheek. Corruption has eaten so deep.

That is why we need Godly values. Many Christians and men of God will rule this country and Still disappoint, but it is not impossible to get upright men of God. It is very possible

otemanuduno:
According to the DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH, Yahweh(Satan) fell into the bottomless pit for a thousand years. And the world knew relative peace those days in the period of the Neanderthals. Now in our own period(Homo Sapiens), Yahweh is again captured by the other gods and he would remain imprisoned for a thousand years, so that his deceptions would be taken off the faces of the people.

I AM GLAD I AM EXPERIENCING THE DOWNFALL OF SATAN(YAhweh)

In other news, DSS IS PLANNING TO DETAIN OYEDEPO AND APOSTLE SULEIMAN IN KUJE PRISON. I DON'T WISH IT HAPPENS, OR ELSE THEY WOULD BE IMPRISONED LIKE THEIR god yahweh(satan).

I googled "Otem" and this was what I saw.

tomakint:
Look at this one......so Osinbajo ts now your Jesus. What happened to "be not unequally yoked to unbelievers" in your Bible! Little wonder Nigeria is like this.

You need to go back to your Bible and know the meaning of unequally yoked. It doesn't mean we should ostracize them. If they aren't our friends how do we reach out to them with the word of God? Stop quoting the bible out of context.