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MrPRevailer:
Satan is the master of deceit and confusion. And he's work is to 'hinder people from entering Heaven.'

or does someone dare to say 'save people from heaven' in rhetoric to your question

I don't understand how this answers the question.

Yup! Strange topic, but please work with me. In the midst of all these Apostle Suleiman nonsense, I know few people will have time for this, but still I crave your indulgence on this. I am a Christian! A very open minded christian (even if our Muslim brothers won't agree) so I have been trying to know what it is about Islam that is so wonderful to our Muslim brothers and sisters. I have read parts of the Koran, I have watched videos on YouTube from Muslim scholars ( Zakir Naik comes to mind, but to be honest, he isn't very bright. Off topic, in a video I watched Naik say a theory and a hypothesis are the same! Even someone in SS1 would know this is wrong and he is regarded as Islam's best debater). Back to our topic though, so I have done my little research on Islam when I had the time and I came up with something brilliant from a Hadith.
Sahih Muslim 6621: Abu Abyyas Ansari reported that Allah's messenger said, If you were not to commit sins, Allah would have swept you out of existence and would have replaced you by another people who committed sin and then asked forgiveness from Allah, and He would have granted them pardon.
Sahih Muslim 6622: Abu Huraira reported Allah's messenger having said, by Him whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.
Now from these two quoted passages, Allah would destroy us for not sinning. And replace us with people who will sin so they can ask for forgiveness and he can forgive them. So if we were not sinning, Allah would have destroyed us. Luckily for us, we have been sinning. So you have to ask, why have we been sinning? Let's take a look at the Koran.
Koran 2: 35-36 :And We said, "O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat therefrom in [ease and] abundance from wherever you will. But do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers." But Satan caused them to slip out of it and removed them from that [condition] in which they had been. And We said, "Go down, [all of you], as enemies to one another, and you will have upon the earth a place of settlement and provision for a time."
So according to the Koran, Satan made Adam and his wife sin. And according to Mohammed, you need to sin or Allah would destroy you. So basically, Adam and eve would have been destroyed if Satan hadn't made them sin. So Satan actually saved Adam and eve from Allah's destruction. As humans, we all sin! You know why? Satan!
Koran 15 : 39 : [Iblees] said, "My Lord, because You have put me in error, I will surely make [disobedience] attractive to them on earth, and I will mislead them all.
In case you are wondering, Iblees is Satan.
So what logical conclusion do you get from this? Satan saves us all from Allah by making us to sin.
There is only one person who didn't sin according to Christian and Muslim sources. Jesus. If Allah wants us to sin then Allah would be angry at those who refuses to sin. So I guess Allah's greatest nemesis would be Jesus.
But yet our Muslim brothers and sisters claim to love Jesus and hate Satan when Satan is actually the one saving us from Allah's destruction.
Is Satan just misunderstood? I plead with you all, do not turn this into another religious keyboard battle, I just need a logical explanation to clear this confusion up so I can continue with my study. Thank you.

Didn't bother reading your epistle. I would rather believe Muslim theologians, christian theologians, Greek, Jewish, roman and atheist theologians (gerd Ludemann) than a keyboard warrior by the name of HopefulLandlord who sits on his couch and investigate the life of Christ from a simple google search. NEXT!

udatso:
Bla bla bla

Of course. Have a nice day.

mustymatic:
Hahahaha, u guys can quote the Quran out of context right?

Do I? Can you show me a verse we quote out of context?

udatso:
You haven't provided what I demanded of you and here you are making demands


We are talking about 9ja.... Boko haram

You claimed many do and uptil now, you are yet to give a video proof.

If accepting it temporarily would save your life, only a fool wouldn't accept.


List of these bloody wars and the names of the khalifs killed?

List of the wars? Its so unfortunate you don't even know your own history. That is the problem with you lot. You accept every nonsense your leaders tell you without researching for yourselves. And its a pity.

alBHAGDADI:
Do you expect anyone to do a live coverage of the madala church bomb blast?

These people are hilarious.

mustymatic:
Swear to your god sey u will not admit to something upon beating by Nigerian Army
See your superior talking
The Antichrist Paul
‘If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?’
You can lie o
You are not a sinner
Keep the good work

Please stop quoting the Bible out of context. Can you read the whole chapter and see how ignorant you look.

tijjanioyan:
dont mind d dunce,we told them many times dat quran is not like their story book which was written anyhow,there was reason 4 revealing every particar verse which is called (SABABIL NUZUL)and sound comentators(Mufasiroon) are required 4 d(Tafsir)commentry.
The founder of xtianity Paul,confessed to founding d religion on FALSEHOOD,Romans3:7RSV,in fact his confessions about meeting wit christ are contradictory,ACT 9:1-19,22:6-16,26:12-18.if xtianity was not built on falsehood,who invented The TRINITY? Didnt Jesus preach MONOTHEISM?Mark 12:28-29,Did Jesus,go 2church on Sunday?
Modified.......did he ever worship in d church on sunday?was it not on sabath day he worshipd?even in d synagogue not in church Luke4:16,44.I advise xtians 2look up d word SYNAGOGUE,in dictionary and compare it to CHURCH.Who invented going to church on SUNDAY,if it is not traced to Jesus?did he ever mention ORIGINAL SIN,let alone its ATONEMENT?then who invented all these lies if jesus did not teach them?
In d so called bible, prophet told lies and went scot free,1king13:18-32,xtian god also conspired with angels to trick king Ahab,1king 22:19-23 EASY to Read VERSION.king David who was also a prophet,feigned INSANITY in order not to be killed,1sam21:11-16.

Comparing your Koran to the Bible is an insult. The same book that says the sun sets in muddy water? Or that shooting stars are used to shoot demons so they don't sneak into Paradise and hear God's plan? Please don't even let me start. Plus your book is so incoherent, its a bore to read. And lets also pretend some verses on stoning and breastfeeding adult males wasn't eating by a sheep (according to Aisha's testimony). If the Koran is the word of allah, then allah has an IQ of a six year old with downs syndrome.

hopefulLandlord:
never mind I have one for you

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=93e_1405368986

I know you don't believe in God, but God bless you.

udatso:
Sir, when I requested for evidence of a Christian picking Christianity knowing certainly it means death in the hands of boko haram, you quickly jumped to give examples of how christians are been killed which isn't what I asked for. To counter your point, I equally give you example of Muslims been killed. So if you say the Christians and churches bombed died for their faith, then I can as well say the muslims killed by boko haram also died for their faith.

cos boko haram affects us all. There are those who would say alqaeda and many others were created directly or indirectly by Americans. Whether this is true, thats a debate for another day. This is why I didn't want to get involved into that.

No we are not. Maybe you are. BUT I AM TALKING ABOUT CHRISTIANS DYING FOR THEIR FAITH IF GIVEN THE OPTION TO LIVE. They aren't the same


Same way Muslims in borno still go to mosque knowing fully well it might be the last. So what's your point?

As do I. But you aren't giving the example that I requested for


It proves my point that your laws in this regard are not practical

Hmmmmm. I was thinking of opening a thread about the lie of Islam being a religion of peace, but I am too busy (or lazy?) to actually do it. But by Gods grace, I will. But in brief, should I tell you why Biko Haram bomb mosques? Because just like Christians you "peaceful" Muslims are infidels. You do not practice true Islam and you know what? They are absolutely right. When Mohammed started his ministry (or what ever you call it, he preached about peace). In the last 9 years of his life, he participated in 86 battles. 86! Chapter 9 of the Koran was said to be the last chapter of the Koran to be composed and it is the most violent. Coincidence? Your prophet got more violent as he grew in power and had more followers to fight for him. So he conquers cities, rapes women, enslaves children and so on. Can you see the similarities with Boko Haram and Isis? After he died, Islam conqured up to 1/3 of the known world and that was not in self defence! They fought and killed people and subjected people to slavery unless the convert because it was what their prophet told them to do. This was the trend in Islam until the fall of the Roman empire and Islam started playing the defensive. You do not hear the phrase "religion of peace" until the 20th century. So my brother, boko haram, Isis and other extremist are the real Muslims. You are not. You are an infidel like me and the OP.
Like I said, law of averages will tell you that Christians will die for their faith. Do you think those people beheaded by Boko Haram and Isis aren't given the option to live? You need to read Surah 9 of your holy book again so you can know how forceful conversion works. A christian shouldn't be teaching it to you.

udatso:
Read my previous discussion with him. We were focusing on boko haram as a case study.

Same way number of mosques were bombed too. In Kano human flesh was scattered after the bomb last that rocked the emir of Kano mosque like shredded meat. But that is not the point. The point is if given the choice by boko haram to remain in the church and die as Christians or accept Islam and be free, I can guarantee you that majority would save themselves so they can be with their loved ones.

For the case of bomb last, they weren't really given any choice. If they had a choice they wouldnt have remained there and be killed like chickens.

Another example is Buk oldsite attack by boko are rams. They attacked the Christians during their service on Sunday and everyone fled for their life. A friend of mine who was injured barely escaped. Do you think if he was informed of the attack, he would have gone to church?


This all boils down to AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS SWEET LAWS IN CHRISTIANITY CANNOT BE IMPLEMENTED. THEY ARE LAWS TO GIVE THE FAITH A GOOD BUT FALSE APPEARANCE (no offense intended).

You are really funny. So because they bomb mosques too, what has that got to do with anything? Remember they are using your holy book as a justification for their actions. And why are you using boko haram as a case study? We are talking about Christians dying for their faith. Despite the threat, Christians still go to churches in all these crises affected area. Missionaries still step into Islamic dominated places knowing that they might get killed for their faith. I have countless examples of them. And you saying Christians ran for their life is just laughable. What do u expect them to do? Stand and die? If you have a chance to escape, you have to. Escaping is not the sin. Lying and denying your faith is. And the fact you claim if given the chance to accept Islam or die, many Christians will accept Islam and deny their faith. The law of averages says you are right. Many would. But many also will not. There weak ones in the faith and there are strong ones. One more thing! Does lying to save yourself not prove that Allah is powerless and can't save you in time of trouble?

udatso:
Help me with some.. Remember we are talking about boko haram here

So let's pretend biko haram is the only islamist terror group in the world? And we can find Christians only in Nigeria? Like you can't remember then number of churches boko haram has bombed? Who was inside those churches? Atheists

Empiree:
So where does Christianity shun lies in this glaring bible verse? .

Below is founder of Christianity lying to promoting the religion

I think I understand you lot now. Please don't read the Bible if you don't have the Holy spirit in you. You lot pick a verse and quote it out of context. Can you please read that chapter from verse 1 and see how ignorant you are. Paul wasn't asking you to lie. No lie can enhance the Gospel. That was why the followers of Christ died for their belief. Paul was simply saying, if the WORLD believes I am "unrighteous" and this promotes the righteousness of God, then let me be unrighteous. Recall the Jews believed them to be unrighteous and to be sinners. Next time try reading the whole thing instead of coming here and making yourself look ignorant.

udatso:
Islam is a very practical religion. Unlike in Christianity where they tell you to turn the other chick for a slap literally and technically. Islam understands that an oppressor would always oppress and at such gives an option of forgiveness or retaliation in same way.
By the way, how many Christians would turn the other cheek for a slap? I am yet to meet such Christian.
Christianity is a religion that promotes very sweet laws that even their holiest of men find difficult to follow or implement.
ALLAH understands that we will always encounter difficulty in the practice of your religionand that's why he makes it easier and simpler for us. He doesn't seek our death especially when it could have been avoided. How awesome Islam is.
I do not expect one who believes in a God that isn't human but human to understand this simple explanation. So you can go on and say as much vile things as you like.

How many Christians will proclaim Christianity in the face of boko haram knowing such choice is tantamount to their death. Hypocrites

If you videos of Christians dying for their faith, there are a lot on the internet. And guess what? They were being killed my Muslims.

udatso:
It's so funny how this bigot finds the marrying of a widow a condemnable act rather than commendable. JazakAllaah khairan @ haroun13. Seeing the way you educate these guys has really motivated me to keep replying for the sake of those that truly seek knowledge even though I had decided not to engage these islamophobes again.

Marrying of widows might be commendable. But why did he stop others from marrying more than 4?

buygala:
You are so beautiful



While your grammatical punctuation is sooo ugly


Can I send you a pm so we can get to know each other, then date, then get married, so I can sponsor you to night school where you can be taught proper punctuation ..

You are wicked.

iamtewwy:
Lmao u think you telling stories to kids?

he can raise some1 from the dead and cant feed starving children' in pakistan

It is your duty to feed starving children in Pakistan

enshy:
You are in the Spirit!
Denominationalism is a blessing!
Xtianity wouldnt spread as much as this if not for denominations. Cant you see how we are in dominion all round?
God bless our hearts! We refuse to allow disunity in the body of Christ! We are ONE!

I never said denomination was bad. I was just pointing out the negative effects it is bringing among us. Churches now compete with each other for members and it really shouldn't be so. Every denomination should have one focus and that is winning souls for Christ.

So I opened Nairaland and the first thing I saw on the front page was "a pastor and 14 others convert to Islam". While this is commendable by our Muslim brothers, I will like to point out that this is just pure arrogance and desperation. While I see things like this every now and then of how Christians convert into Islam, you will rarely see such from Christians. It doesn't mean we don't get converts, it just means we are not desperate enough to rub it on the faces of our Muslim brothers. Go for crusades or lectures organized churches and see thousands of converts. Remove the compulsion from Islam and watch the religion dwindle.
Not to sound bitter I will like to commend our Muslim brothers for the effort they put in growing their religion. Whether through lectures, force or even financial gifts (I have a friend who was offered a lot of money to convert), they are dedicated to growing their religion.
This brings me to something that has been bordering me for almost a year. Jesus told us to go into the world and preach the gospel, but now we go into churches to preach. We no longer fish from the sea but from each others boats. My membership of any church depends on my location (I actually travel a lot) and as long as the church teaches the undiluted word of God, I will stay there as long as I am in that vicinity. Despite the fact I am a Christian, I still have people trying to get me into their church and I wonder why. Is being a Christian not enough? Do I have to be in your church? The energy you take in trying to get me to your church why can't it be used on someone who doesn't believe in Christ at all?
Christians are supposed to be united by one doctrine and that is the divinity of Jesus and the fact that He died and resurrected for our sin and any other doctrine is secondary. I realize that unity does not necessarily mean uniformity, but Christians in Nigeria are not united. CAN and PFN and other associations do not help at all as they forget the primary assignment, preaching Christ to the world but instead focus on triviality that don't matter.
Churches criticise each other based on doctrines that won't even take you to heaven. Should people make up? Should girls wear trousers? cover their hair? Etc. I am not Catholic (I have been to the Catholic church a number of times) but I can't even open my mouth to criticise any catholic I see. The reason is this. Do you protestants actually believe that all catholic members are doing the wrong thing and so will go to hell? Really? The answer is no. Why? Because they believe in the divinity of Jesus and His death and resurrection. So instead of trying to get a Catholic into your church go out to the world and preach the gospel.
With a united church, we will do wonders. God bless you.

Freewoman:
MY WORRIES REMAIN THAT THEY WERE OWN AND MANAGED BY CHURCHES, THEY SUPPOSED TO BE ALMOST FREE BUT NOT, YOU SEE WHY NIGERIAN GOVT WANT THEM TO PAY TAXES AND SOME IDIOTS ARE SHOUTING THEIR HEADS OUT, WHAT A PITY FOR THOSE THAT PAYS TITHS IN THOSE TYPE OF CHURCHES ............... WHAT A PITY,

So you leave the most expensive which isn't run by a church and attack the ones run by churches? Do you have an idea how much it takes to run a university?

micxwell:
Who funds his school ke? Baba no be school fees una dey pay? In millions... It's not free na. So no stress CU is trying

Never attended CU. Finished from a federal university. But CU is becoming the standard, we have to admit.

micxwell:
Government but alas, Nigeria isn't sane. Lol that's where we find ourselves

So give credit to the individual who funds His school properly and for the fact CU is even mentioned in the same sentence as UI and OAU, they deserve all the praise they are getting.

SonOfEl:
It depends. One is capitalist, the other is nationalistic in outlook

Exactly. And what does a capitalist care about? Profit. He doesn't care what the students learn in the school as long as he is making profit. Government on the other hand can't expect to make profits from a public institution. They invest in academics due to its positive externality. So the government owned institution should actually be better equipped than the private.

Ok

khalhokage:
Oga you're going off on a tangent, we're talking of the reality on ground, precious few countries in the world have properly functional government run institutions, and in the case of Nigeria's education system it has always been underfunded.

That's what we're dealing with, private universities have better funding to public universities so they're are expected to be better.

Are u serious now? Private universities have better funding than public universities in Nigeria? For real? This is the first time I am hearing this. If you tell me funds and misappropriated, that's a better argument. Please I will like you to back your statements with facts. Thanks.

khalhokage:
Are there any government run institutions in this country that is favourably comparable to their private sector counterparts? No.

And by how much are they subsidised? it's still not comparable to how much these private schools earn yearly, plus other infrastructural considerations, like the amount of students admitted per session.

Stupîd comparison is stupid.

Simple question. An institution run by government and one run by an individual, which is supposed to be better? In a sane environment?

Handsomecole:
@ OP I didn't bother reading your all your epistle . I only have one question for you.

How much is your school fees as compared to how much your federal University counterparts pay??

The answer will put to rest all these you have put up, you don't have to struggle or kill yourself with researching just to proove that your school is better than OAU and other Universities.

With all you have written even your "headmaster" am sorry I mean VC knows that your lesson or university as you call it can never stand OAU Great IFE in anything I mean anything. Even as it stand we have "whites" flocking down to OAU as students and even as lecturers. So don't kill yasef. What is Great is already Great!!

And you are the same person that will come and complain that CU fees are too high. A school run by a church and one run by the federal government, which should be better? When you answer that question, get back to me.

LagosismyHome:
Lol...CU better than UI , Ife ....in what land reality or dreamland
In reality CU is a glorified secondary school who charges high tuition hence can afford some element of what a growing or up and coming university should be ...

Stupid argument. The others are federal unis and should actually be better. Do you think the peanuts u pay in ur fed institution is what runs the school? No. Look at federal schools abroad and you will see they can't be compared with their private counter parts. They are way better because they are run with government resources which should be 100 times more than the resources of covenant.

khalhokage:
Stupid post, considering the fact that covenant university students pay millions more on tuition than public university students, I expect the school to be better.

Useless comparisons on this forum.

This is a stupid argument as public schools are subsidised and run by government. So it is actually supposed to be better. Look at public schools abroad, they can't be compared with their private counterparts. So give them credit for running the school properly.

yansky:
christianity is a joke. not a religion so i agree with you

I am glad my Belief makes you laugh. At least you are not like the others are just angry at it for no apparent reason.

TPAND:
Religion. I shake my head. The world would have been a better place without you

Both Christians, Muslims, Buddhist, Jews, Et al we are fighting ourselves either with words or arms to make a statement of who serves the true living God.

The world would have been a better place without religion.

Civilization is better than religion. Let's preach civilization

You are right. The world would be so much better without religion. Christianity on the other hand is not one of the many religions.