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@matured
The Christians call the friday during Easter 'good friday' because of the benefits of the day and the period.as the scriptures say all things work together for good to them that love God.that day,when the devil thot everything was going his way was when mysteriously he received the biggest bruise and shock of his life.It was the day when Christ paid the price of salvation and said IT IS FINISHED.the day when Christ hung on the tree to bear our curses and burdens for us.The day that gave us hope of eternity,the day when the veil of the temple was torn apart giving both jew and gentile access to the throne of God.Thats why it is a 'good Friday'

@A.K.O
Like I said friend,if you have any beam,get busy and remove it.I'm not jumping to conclusions.I looked well at the thread before I leaped.There're more serious issues that christians should correct within themselves as individuals and thier assemblies(whether mega,sega or micromini)instead of getting angry that somepeople are mentioning the blood of Jesus in prayer

Witness:
Also I want to ask and believe that the questions is expected to be answered on the basis that we are talking about Christians and not unbelievers.

Now let me use the issue of whether Christians should eat meat sacrifised to idols or not, the bible makes it clear that:

1. Christians should eat the meat, when they already have strong faith that idols are false gods hence the eating of the meat is not even sin in the first place . (check the bible verses below for biblical prove for this stand)

2. Christians should not eat the meat when other Christians still have a weak faith that considers eating of the meat as being sinful, (also check the bible verses below for biblical prove for this stand)

For example the following verses says that meat offered to idols is sin, hence a Christians whose faith says that its sin, would thus be committing sin by doing:


Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Yet on the other hand in the following verses, Paul clearly makes us to understaand that the meat offered to idols is not sin, but that Christians with strong faith should only abstain from eating such a meat provided other Christians with weaker faith still consider it to be a sin.


1Co 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1Co 8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
1Co 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
1Co 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
1Co 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
1Co 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
1Co 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
1Co 8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.


So you i consider and believe that it still does not matter later on even if "men" decide that wearing of trousers is wrong, simply because the bible has already settled the fact that its wearing is not wrong as such the decision of a Christian to wear it is not dependent on what the general consensus is , but rather its is completely dependent on what the bible says and has settled.

So I am sorry to say that: the What if option cannot even occure in the first place, hence its is settled for a Christian who has the faith that wearing of the trousers (whether female or otherwise) is not sin,

whew,Bro Witness.you must like maths more than english.I see.some of the sentences you typed in this quote above are grammatically tough for me,but anyway to me,I'm not sure that permission to eat meat offered to idols is permission to wear any sort of clothing(good or bad).
I'll not like to deviate from the main topic but pls let me say the Bible does not encourage christians to eat meat sacrificed to idols 'when they have strong faith. . . '.If anything,it discourages eating of meat offered to idols.1cor8 explains the reason why the christian shouldn't eat as commanded earlier(Acts 15 maybe).It said the reasons to obey the Acts15 command is not because of the idol or the meat but among other reasons for conscience sake.the v11 says disobedience could cause the weak brother to perish.Imagine if I said someone can perish for just eating meat or wearing trousers?well.I'm yet to say it but that verse says something like that.several other scriptures warn against eating meat (offered to idols) so for you to say an encouragement to eat meat (offered to idols) justifies female trousers is not solid.

@witness

Witness:
First and foremost , I have to say that its not right to take an hypothetical stand that goes contrary to what the bible is saying , simply because it means that one either believes the bible would change or that one believes that the doctrine of men is superior to what the bible has already finalised and given us a decision.

That bible clearly does not condemn the wearing of trousers, hence the hypothetical case of saying what if female trousers are wrong , is a dangerous territory to thread, for a Christian. As it would nonetheless lead to doctrines of men (which is either in conflict or in agreement with the bible , nonetheless it would still be doctrines of men)

the Bible does not condemn drug addiction either but there are verses that infer that it would have condemned addiction if the scriptures were written today.It also seems to be silent on internet scam,piracy,pornography etcJoh 16:12  I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13  Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
Joh 16:14  He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.

@lasiefaire
Two,I think what the verse is saying is contention is not a custom of the christian church.They are sheep,not goat.They obey almost dumbly like a lamb (Isaiah53) whatever God says/wants.The Bible refers to the contentious as unrighteousness who are waiting for the anger of God.Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

@Lasiefaire
On 1Corinth11v16.there are two commas to wat you posted.One,if the verse means wat you say it means(i.e that were no customs concerning men hair and hair covering in the church),it does not apply for every scripture or every verse/law that each one now has his own opinion or intepretation to every verse.It only applies to the passage.

@Lasiefaire
sorry for the technical lessons.I'll try my best to xplain.you no its like david committing adultery and the prophet Nathan comes talking to him about the story of a poor man,his children,a lamb,his rich neighbour and a visitor.
my point was about the post you made on 'transvestite'.I was saying lets not be like the thief who uses his explanation and excuses to overshadow the fact that he violated a law.lets not allow the possible explanation of the 22v5 text to overshadow the command of the text. your post said something like this

LASIEFAIRE:
I found this on a website, I feel it's quite detailed and really helpful

In the KJV Deuteronomy 22:5 reads, "The issah (woman) shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a geber (man), neither shall a geber (man) put on a issah's (woman's) garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God."

Given this evidence it is my opinion that what God finds detestable is the putting on of clothing belonging to the opposite sex in order to submerge one's gender and take on another; to become a transvestite. This verse is not condemning men who dress as women as a lark in a play or women who wear pants for riding horses etc., persons who are doing these things are not submerging their true genders, they are still male and female. It's the act of becoming a transvestite that God hates.

thats itonce again sorry if you don't understand,I'll try to be clearer in future

The Holy Spirit is God the Spirit.He bears all the name God bears.He is Jehovah.His ministry in the world is majorly to Christians.Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. There is one God,one Lord,one Spirit,any other is a pirated copy

@A.K.O
Remove the beam yourself.don't react like the scibes and chief priests who pass the message to the others around them but never themselves.pray and ask God in sincerity and truth.He'll show you best.But if you want to know it 'badly',post the name of your church.there are humble volunteers on nairaland that will point it out to you.No malice intended.There're wronger and common popular things to contend against biblically than some people's prayer phrses

I think Tayo-D has spoken well for the blood pleaders.There's no need for some denomination to begin to harass others because they feel they've gotten some new revelation.There are questionable practices you do in your church tthat has no Biblical basis.Remove that beam in your eye first

@witness
I'm refering to the number 2.The Bible doesn't justify ignorance(see Leviticus 4).
Eph 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should not walk from now on as other nations walk, in the vanity of their mind,
Eph 4:18 having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart.

Have you also traced the origin of trousers oloreoko becos I have.And the inec man,I don't think your votes count in this matter,the majority is not always right,it is very often wrong.The Bible was written by one Spirit,one Lord,One God.It may sometimes have different applications but not different intepretations.It doesn't 'depend on your own intepretation' but the Holy Ghost's intepretation.And we shoul not lose focus of what the sciptures say by rationalising it.Don't just come and tell us "what God is tryin to say in this verse is love your neighbour.although the verse says do not steal,note that the thief is poor and he did not shoot the victim,he just collected his moni".Such analogy does not erase the point of the verse lasiefaire

thanks for the replies.Our concern for the way we live our lives should not annoy anyone,no matter is too little/trivial.
Pro 4:26 Ponder the path of thy feet, and let all thy ways be established. and no sin is too little in the eyes of God.I don't believe that anything the Bible talks about is unimportant even if it is a line or a whole book.I didn't come saying right or wrong,I asked,wat if they are wrong?Also,I didn't ask if it is right for females to wear male trousers,I asked about female trousers itself

@seguno2
Hello,I thank God for the replies of people like liftedone and detruth.I think you should take sometime to earnestly read through their posts instead going in cycles.The scriptures(DEut,Malachi,Matt etc) that you quoted and might still have in mind to quote have being explained earlier.Take some time and patience to read through and be open.Theres no need for open animosity against the law like its some form of sin.Remember Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
and ,the bible does not say tithing was a covenant between God and levi.Tithing was before levi or the levites.
Paul the apostle is quite clear on the fact that it takes grace to make any form of giving to God(2corinth8).ask God for His grace,I believe wen the grace is there,there'll be obedience and no need for strivings about the law

prosper234:
Yes is biblical for Christian Women to wear trousers the ancient history of trouser wearing traces back to women and not men

.That must be a shocking history.how historically true and relevant is this info.Imean worldwide,largescale

I'm not exactly asking if females wearing trousers is wrong or right.As I said,there are great logical arguements on both sides.My question is,what if it is actually wrong for females to wear trousers,what are the consequences.and danilola,the text is 22v5 not 20v5

round and round the same old cycle.

redsun:
I can't believe people reason like this,kai what kind of world are they living in.Why should what a woman wear be a problem,even if she wears thong in the public,that is what she wants.

Have you ever thought of nudists,naturalists going shopping naked,even in the club.The body is just mere dust and ashes,there is nothing sacred about it apart from the fun you have it.

God has left us,we are in a digital world.

Sorry,I'm not a free thinker.I'm a christian & I'm asking what the risk is before God.Wat do we stand to lose just in case,assuming it was truly wrong in God's view for females to wear trousers

So, whats the risk.Just in case it is wrong?

I've being priviledged to hear solid arguements both for and against females wearing trousers.both in and outside nairaland.Both I wonder, what happens if it is truly abominable in the sight of God.What do we risk?

I believe it is sinful.It clear from the scripture you quoted and it is a 'worldly' practice.Christians should not live like unbelievers live 'in the vanity of their minds'

@tpaine
Are you a muslim?You sound like your soul is searching for something

@nwando,@seguno
So,you don't steal.Well,nwando how about you?

You don't believe in the Bible, so why all these stress and paine that you're inflicting on yourself?
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
take good advice

@nwando and seguno
suit yourselves.But I'm curious about something,can you tell me,do you steal?

Pro 11:16 A gracious woman retaineth honor: and strong men retain riches.
Lets Be wise people in God's sight

babblers should quit their vain blabbing and babbling which yield no profit

no need beating around,tithe is 1/10 of your increase.It could be spoils of war,it could be crops,anise,cummin,generous sumptous gift received,salary,harvest,business profit.God bless you too Amen and happy sunday

That was his increase,common he gave tithes of his increase.Spoils from the people he defeated,not Lot Or the king of sodom's property but spoils of war.He gave the others their own portionDeut14v22

Thank you Lord for redeeming us from the curse of the law.
I leave the offerings of old to the orthodox Jews and the Christians who choose to pivk and choose the ones to keep.

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In the old testament,the Jews tried to serve God and please Him so that they could be saved, but their works weren’t enough.In the new testament,we don’t need to serve or do good works to be saved, faith in Jesus saves us.but after we are saved,we should do good works.Those are the good fruits of the good tree.
Jam 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
That’s why we do good works,not because it is the basis of our salvation,but because we are a doer of the work.Some good works include tithing,praying,fasting,evangelizing etc.I think believers should do all these,but doing them doesn’t bring salvation.Not doing them doesn’t say you will go to hell but these we ought to do.We new testament believers are not required to observe wat i explained earlier as the ceremonial laws,but we'ld do well to observe God's moral laws.The old testament people also gave freewill offerings(Deut 12v6) and vows.They were commanded to,but today we still and you still give freewill offerings.We can't just say thats old testament,for the jews,I'm under grace,praise God no more freewill giving

nwando:
Some pastors have gone as far as saying that people who don't pay tithes are robbers and no robbers will end up in heaven.
That passage in Malachi was referring to the levitical priests not born again believers.
People ought to be set free from that and guilt.
God is not cursing anyone,he's not a wicked man with a bag of diseases and misfortunes which he unleashes on non tithers as I was made to visualize.
He needs no burnt offerings,no heave offerings,no wave offerings but a sacrifice of praise.

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Not like I worship tithes,but what is right is right and tithing is one of such things,It may be a minor but it isn't wrong.That's why I try to clear misconceptions concerning it.That passage in Malachi was referring to the whole of Isreal.it saysMal 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
And I think it affects us seein its so so close,just a few verses away from the NT
On a more serious note,
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Mal 3:7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Mal 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes,
God says I change not.my values,principles,laws,likes and dislikes are the same,therefore ye SONS of Jacob arenot, He is clearly speaking to all of Isreal,and the blessings that were promised isn't for one tribe.Mal 3:12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightful land, saith the LORD of hosts. And I claim it for myself the same way I claim Psalm23 because I know he is speaking to me

nwando:
There is no rule at all.
Give and it shall be given to you.
As simple as ABC
God's not cursing anyone.

Tithe just means 1/10, 10% of something.Abraham paid tithes,it was no heave offering.same goes for Jacob.same goes for me.The point is tithe existed b4 the levi covenant.It doesn’t compulsorily have to follow the same pattern or regulation.The tithe that was given to the poor and widows was no heave offering,but it was tithe(1/10).If you decide to pay your tithes today,its simply calculated as 10% of your earning,income,increase,wateva