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LordReed:
First off, he knew he was going to die, according to the tale he knew before he was born.

Revelation 13:8
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Secondly, he gave up his own life according to the tale.

Hebrews 9:26
He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Next he had to fulfil his mission and knowing the people of his time all he had to do was tell them he was equal to god, that was an assured death sentence. Along with doing other things they would consider offensive.

John 5:16
Honor the Father and the Son
For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

Look who's being actually reading his Bible, this is actually good. It's the fastest way out of folly, the entrance of God's Word gives light. What you conveniently forget is that none of these actions actually got Jesus killed. They couldn't even get themselves together right when they were accusing Him after His arrest. Knowledge of something does not necessarily mean that you cause it, think.

petra1:
I.didnt say they fall dow to open to God. its the openness to the spirit that cause men to fall . it depends on the eztent of their yieldedneds amd its not a must . but its a spiritual thing

You said and i quote "The power of God manifest in women more because they are more open to God ." You said this in the context of falling down. It is not openness of spirit that cause people to fall, stop saying things that are unverifiable and unscriptural. Tons of people were open to God in the Bible without any fall. We mostly see the possessed people falling in the Bible. There are thousands of people falling in churches every week and going right into all kinds of sin the same week and even day.

The Priests went doen under the power and they couldn't get up.

[colour]1 Kings 8:11 (ASV)
11 so that the priests [b]could not [/b]stand to minister by reason of the cloud; for the glory of Jehovah filled the house of Jehovah

the highlighted parts lets you know it wasnt delibrate . they rather wanted to get up to do their job but couldn't

They were very conscious and saw a visible cloud of glory. BTW, though i got your point and expected you to quote it, the priests were come out of the holy place. It's not that they fell, but more that they could not enter or stand or wait to minister.

, is pastor Chris open to God, have you seen him fall like a possessed person before?


No because hes not posesed . Christians don't get possesed. That doesnt mean he hasn't fallen down. when Morris cerrulo lay hands on him he fell down. at times in worship he falls down.

Good, because you claimed that it has to do with openness to God. In order words, pastor Chris is not usually open to God as he does not fall often. Just like once a year or a decade, right? The ones that fall every service and roll all over are very open, in fact direct to God's throne.

it doesnt have to connected to demons

[color=#770077]1 Samuel 19:24 (AMPC)
24 He took off his royal robes and prophesied before Samuel and lay down stripped thus all that day and night. So they say, Is Saul also among the prophets?

Are you saying Saul was more open than all the prophets, because even the real prophets from Moses to Malachi didn't go through this process, or did they? Shows clearly as a misnomer, not a norm.

Mat 26:39 KJV And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

This is not "falling under the anointing", but a very conscious prayer posture that anyone can take. Study your Bible and not the koran pastor.

blazepascal:
Please can some one tell me a good gospel song the one that will touch my soul probably an emotional one .it might not be gospel though.

Try "Grace is enough for me" Don Moen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVhiwceUpk8

TB the false prophet in the synagogue.

petra1:
many times . didnt jesus fall at the garden?

1 Kings 8:11 (ASV)
11 so that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud; for the glory of Jehovah filled the house of Jehovah.

Mark 3:11 (NLT)
11 And whenever those possessed by evil spirits caught sight of him, the spirits would throw them to the ground in front of him shrieking, “You are the Son of God!”
Matthew 26:39 (KJV)
39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face,

its not about the fall . its about response to Gods spirit which ever way he moves us.

secondly there are differrnt kinds of fall. Spirit of God coukd move you personally or the power of God can move you while being ministered to by another

None of the scriptures you quoted talks about falling under anointing to be open to God. These are people who consciously went prostrate before God in worship and prayer, not possessed people. You refused to answer, is pastor Chris open to God, have you seen him fall like a possessed person before?

Mat 26:39 KJV And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

petra1:
Thats silly bro. Pastor Chris has been in ministry from child . born into a family of generation of Pastors .

Maybe silly of SCOAN because we both know that is what they called and addressed him as in front of everyone and pastor Chris doesn't deny it. What sort of carnality are you employing in talking about being in ministry from childhood. Is it by that?Is pastor Chris not senior pastor to people older than him including his own brothers?

The woman no get part ni sir?

petra1:
healing is not by force nah. If a man like his demon it will keep coming back . demons do come back if the individual have certain sin that serve as open door .
i have had ro minister to some individuals who vomit manifest amd get relief only for the thing to come back later . until i had to use the word of God to take them on a "Do it by yourself" and such a one have permanent victory.

Looks more like fabricated testimonies and acting though. Do you know if the lady worked for TB and lived there like she claimed?

petra1:
Bisola has a spiritual problem . multiple personality


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV5XatZHxsA

This looks more in tandem of what people accuse SCOAN of, fabrication of testimonies and actors. You can see ONE single person here acting multiple roles and sharing so called testimonies without anyone having the Spirit of God or even common retentive memory to detect the drama. TB laid hands on her several times and episodes, yet you are here still saying that she is not healed to suit your narrative. LOL

petra1:
We are the one who have the reposibility of learn and knowing the word of God .
The Holy spirit will not do the job. why do churches have comtrry doctrines today and criticizing each other . is the holy spirit author of confusion ? it is left for us to study and learn . everyone have a deep conviction on their doctrine. everone is right in his own eyes



Take nairaland for example. yhey are busy calling each other false brethren here. The other guy is false.
one person believe in healing , the other guy doesnt same goes for prohecy ,tongues, delivearce miracle ,tithes ,offering etc.




james had a Pharisee background but inlike Paul he carried his judaism to christ. The jewish religion has the people they call proselyte. These are gentiles who got converted to the jewish religion. There is a process for their conversion. And that was what James was quoting and recommending for christian convert when they had the debate .

Acts 15:13 (KJV)
13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: . . . 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

also he doesnt see total oneness betwewm the Jewish christian and Gentile Christians. remember how Peter was terrified when James sent People to Pauls church amd met Peter eating with Gentile Christians. Peter quickly decamped . Paul had to rebuke him.


]Gal 2:11 — Gal 2:14 (NLT)
Paul Confronts Peter
11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. 12 When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. 13 As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.
14 When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others, “Since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile, why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow the Jewish traditions?



i dont think TB joshua has issues with that amd other fundamental christian beliefs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVhiwceUpk8

Pastor Chris senior pastor.

kingxsamz:
But Satans sin, rebellion, and plan to dethrone the Christian god did not kill him?
Did you even think about what you wrote?

How long will you continue in total folly, satan is a spirit, not a human being. BTW, you don't even know the meaning of the "death" to boot.

People don't need meat and milk, they need their lives back.

LordReed:
That's a problem they refuse to recognise. If you need to wall off your belief from reasoning and criticism then it shows you are afraid it can't withstand them.

The man in the mirror, lol. We've not only shown but proven it, glory to God.

LordReed:
I put "suicide by cop" in parentheses because it is a paraphrasing of the tale. Suicide by cop is when a person wants to die but instead of dying by their own hand, they provoke the authorities to kill them by manipulating the circumstances to force the hand of the authorities. Sure there were no cops in the days in which the story is set but soldiers where effectively doubling as a civil law enforcement. Jesus supposedly died by the hand of the soldiers after manipulating events to force that conclusion. That is essentially "suicide by cop".

Lol, find all the names and grammar to soothe your soul but it's not going to be soothed. You'll still be talking about this same Jesus every day till you die, not any of the other millions of gods, only Jesus. Special Jesus Christ.

ademidedavid:
Because his way of healing is very different from that of others still doesnt make him a false prophet

Some of you are quite young and probably bewitched you don't have any simple discernment. Before TB packaged himself, you probably need to watch his early versions. If you still have doubts, well you do need Jesus and new eyes. If you have the time which i don't have such to waste, you can search for old or earlier videos of his crude self before the rebranding. He has no biblical gospel neither does he have anywhere to take anyone except to himself and perdition.
N.B if you want to watch for evidence, focus on him, not on the narrators or former disciples.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVhiwceUpk8

LordReed:
They were birthed by an ultra patriarchal culture, they perpetuate that male dominance.

Are you the husband or the wife in your house, or it doesn't matter? Hypocrite.

HedwigesMaduro:
I don't know how to explain this to you, but gambling is legal. So, if you say "at least they are legal" while referring to stocks and biz", then I think you're just arguing in circles.

Not arguing at all, i just answered you according to your understanding. The majority of gambling populace are young people, it is illegal and irresponsible.

So FFK too wants to be at the marriage feast of the Lamb. Na wa ohh

petra1:
Men are mostly.people of few words. men resolve issues inside even die inside . but women are talkers and they are very expeessive . Men are too conscious


Men do.fall under the power . it depends on the case . The power of God manifest in women more because they are more open to God . Men can be rigid fighting God .
but if its a demonic case ..it manifest in men also.wjen being cast out. Tbe problem with men is just that they are very self conscoius some see it as weakness to fall amd see it as streght to stand so they will rather stand amd still retain their demon

Jo, you have come ohh.Open to God indeed. What has falling down got to do with being open to God?How many times did Jesus Christ or any Bible character fall to be open to God? Is pastor Chris open to God because i don't think you have ever seen him fall, Abi which kain criterion be this one? How many demon have you retained today, abi you sef fall yakata today?

Ola17:
Do you by any chance take leave of your senses when debating religious topics? I’ve tried to keep my responses to you so far very civil despite the unwarranted personal attacks.

What gives?

You got me almost rolling on the floor laughing, what gives, why so serious? Okay, tell me, what's your real question. Because i already gave summary as Genesis 2v15 to 3v15 which should really suffice if you read it normally and openly. Nonetheless, shoot, maybe i might have some explaining to do seeing today's a good day, the very Lord's.

Yungmil:
Some people dont like going to church but prefers to pray and read the Bible at home.

Does it make them spiritual or they must have to attend church?

Churches do not make you spiritual but a spiritual person attends church, except he is in prison or indisposed. You can't sit in your room claiming world best or spiritual. You come out and have your pride and virtue tested. As hypocritical as the church was in Jesus days, it was His manner to be there. Imagine perfect Jesus Christ from Heaven sitting through the dullness of the synagogue services and knowing the sinful life of all the leaders and speakers. He did it as an example.

Ola17:
White man, I’ve read the story of eden and gave my summary. It’s either you post your own summary or you run along.

You either had a most poor comprehension, try rereading it. It's very different from what you summarized. i have posted my summary.

Autosfashion:
Your reward is in heaven
If you aren't comfortable with your denomination you change abi dem bury your placenta for there

Lol, he said he was born in the church building, you still dey ask fa.

That front page is heavily filled with people struggling for their daily bread from the government.

Ola17:

The black man, he wouldn't read for himself. The very evidence lies with you, inspect it.

Ola17:
Care to summarize what the story of eden is all about?

Genesis 2v15 to 3v15 is the best summary of the story of Eden. Kindly read it, or reread and review it in your convenient language and Bible version. You can then ask questions or clarifications which i can gladly make.

Ola17:
Told by who? Isn’t that the story of the garden of Eden in a nutshell?

Nope, it's totally not.

Ola17:
What he’s trying to defend is analogous to a mother who knew that her son will ultimately eat the poisoned apple she placed in her kid’s lunch box after passively warning him not to eat it. Knowing how impressionable kids are, she also sent a very persuasive malevolent trickster to convince her supposedly beloved son to eat that same poisoned apple for a good measure.

This to me doesn’t seem like what an All-seeing, All-knowing, All-wise, Benevolent being will do.

Come on, who will standby and passively watch his ward grab a live wire he carelessly left exposed just because he’s warned the ward never to touch it? Makes zero sense.

Think, that's not what God did, don't you think? That's what you were told that He did, by people who wished that He did.

HedwigesMaduro:
Many big businesses have wrecked lives. Stock market crashes have lead to suicides. Therefore, those involved in big businesses and the stock market are fools. That's your logic right there.

Nope. Since your logic is that they are the same, then simply do business and stocks, at least they are legal. They are also the same according to you.

poiZon:
U r not wise my brother...
He didnt turn..
He can't turn..
Can today pastors be like the pastors of old, the missionaries that built schools, hospitals and didnt charge monies from people who used those facilities?
They r people who finance the church cos of their beliefs, take these people away these pastors will be worst than church rats.

i guess you're comparing apples to oranges and barking up the completely wrong tree. The person the post was directed to feels that people who give 10% are poor, miserable and of no good. i simply showed him the ill logic in his suppositions.
If you have a problem or question with pastors and missionaries, look for them and speak up.

truespeak:

It's true na, the boy is young and impressionable.

LordReed:
LoL! The only he's getting from me for the foreseeable future.

Stop gossiping, you are a grown man, what are you teaching Samuel?