₦airaland Forum

Mhimi007:
and how big is this RCCG we are talking about and is this church in an estate? if no then sir you have no point there.And why is the hq of DLBC not on the Island why is it in a place as "tight" Gbagada the answer is because the rich dont like noise.Even when they want to pray they talk to their God with bedroom voice even prayer go hungry you,poor man mentally be say God dey answer noise

So now your problem is with the size of the RCCG church? i do not stay on the island or close to it. You can go and confirm from those that stay there. Churches like RCCG, Catholic, Baptist, Deeper Life and co are in every nook and cranny of the South West and the Island is definitely not spared. Like i have said, it is only planning and commonsense that big commercial activities like banks, markets or industries or schools or banks are not IN residential areas. It is not because they are shut out. Money or Education or God is not shut out, it is simply urban planning. People actually go to school to learn this commonsense things BTW. Like i said, seek exposure. There are places you can locate railway, power station, airport, schools, university, camp ground, churches, mosques, telecommunication masts, water works etc.
Like i said, Deeper Life headquarters and services started from Gbagada from the best of my knowledge. You can ask their pastor why, but factors like space, cost of land, population, what God told them, location of most members affect these kinds of decisions. i would not see cheap or maybe even free land(from some of the churches testimonies) where thousands are trooping in almost daily and leave it to open headquarters in the wilderness of unknown lekki which is what those areas were in the 70s. Or is it now that the place is so highbrow that they should move headquarters there? They don't have anything else to do with money? Or you don't know that what you build with 1million in Gbagada, you may not build up to that for 5million in Lekki? Anyway you are young, you met Lekki as high brow, you did not know when it was a bush.

i realised that a long while ago unfortunately. The only strain of sanity is that they are all the same or almost the same. If there was someone close to Presidency that was distinct, one may have completely lost it.

HellVictorinho:
You're a creationist/theist!!!!!!!!!!!!
If atoms cannot be created,why should I believe that the Earth was created??
Answer my questions,too!!!!!!!!!!
An intelligent design can be defined as something that is made by a living thing that possesses intelligence so that the living thing will use it for as long as possible!!!!!!!!!!
But there was no living thing before living things appeared on Earth for no reason!!!!!!!!!!!!
The increase/decrease in population towards explosion/extinction happens for no reason!!!!!!!!!!!!
Furthermore, the DNA cannot exist separately.
Since it cannot exist separately,it could not have appeared separately.
Therefore,I believe that the first set of living things appeared as fully-grown species.
But the appearance didn't mean there had been nothing.
It only showed how several particles combined in different ways thereby making up different structures.

Since we are both demanding for our questions to be answered , maybe we should do it properly. i will number my questions so that you don't miss them.

1. Can you explain how DNA suddenly appeared?
2. Can you give one example of an intelligent design that just happens by chance?
3. Did the Burj Khalifa just happen by chance or intelligent design?
4. Were lives and properties destroyed during the ENDSARS protest of October 2020 in Nigeria?
5. Since "atoms are not destroyed" can we say nothing was destroyed in Lagos?
6. What do you define as Intelligent?
7. Can you give us three examples of things that are intelligently designed and why?

HellVictorinho:
Why do you believe in God

Because i found Him to be everything He said He was. Why do you believe in money?

atheistandproud:
You have managed to do everything but answer the question.

You have no real answer. Please shut up. Thank you.

This one evidently ran out of ideas and resorted to folly.

Mhimi007:
Deeper life for instance have the biggest auditorium in Lagos...well i was expecting it to be at Victoria Island or Even Eko atlantic but no its at Bariga...they have a tight security and with what I understand the building is sound proof and a massive car park.But my question is why wasn't it built on the Island

Are there no churches on the Island? Are you aware that vice president Osinbajo was a Pastor in a RCCG church in a high brow area. As for Deeper Life, i think they have branches of the church in every part of the country. Plus their headquarters has always been Gbagada from the start.

HellVictorinho:
There is nobody that doesn't regret anything he or she has done before.
Everybody has erred before.
But I am not talking about sin.
It is not everything that a person does that he or she benefits from.

All have sinned and come short of God's glory. i am not referring to the past of the believer or the present, past and future of the unbeliever. i am referring to the end of the average human life. A fulfilled life is a life without regrets, accessible to anyone anywhere anytime. Billions of people might not have access to money and fleshly pleasures that seem to drive most ungodly people. But those who live to please God in their billions have no regrets at the end of their lives. This is unlike most rich fools and hedonists, many of whom don't get to the zenith of their pursuits, and the few that get there discover in anguish that there is nothing there.
You should have read of normal every day believers like Annie Johnson Flint. People who lived in deep pain, people who lived in penury like the majority in the world. But what gave them fulfillment and joy despite the pain, was a life in service and worship of God. Victor, you should get real. Burying your head in all these vain arguments bring regrets upon regret.

HellVictorinho:
Are you saying if something isn't created,then it can't exist??
Atoms can neither be created nor destroyed!!!!
Besides, the DNA is not an intelligent design!!!!!!!
The Earth is not an intelligent design!!!!!
Nobody is an intelligent design!!!!!!
Furthermore, I can't state what happened before the first set of humans appeared!!!!!
But I know there was no God before they appeared!!!!!!!
According to monotheists,God is a being that has no limit.
But it is impossible for someone/something to have no limit!!!!!!!!
According to pantheists, the universe is God.
But the universe cannot have a mind!!!!!
Ultimately,it is impossible for NOTHING to exist!!!!!!!!!!

Can you explain how DNA suddenly appeared? Can you give one example of an intelligent design that just happens by chance? Like the Burj Khalifa just happened by chance? i was hoping you will have answers to these questions. Saying "Atoms can neither be created nor destroyed" makes no sense in this discussion, we are not in a lab. We are talking life and philosophy. Were lives and properties destroyed during the ENDSARS protest of October 2020 in Nigeria? Or since "atoms are not destroyed" we can foolishly say nothing was destroyed?
What do you define as Intelligent? Can you give us three examples of things that are intelligently designed and why? Try to think independently for yourself please. i don't like to suppose but i am supposing that you are thinking about Creationism and whatever arguments you have been fed online.

atheistandproud:
1. So the so-called "house of god" belongs to unplanned places abi? LMAO.

A well planned city has places that are industrial, some residential, some shopping area, and of course some for worship. This is what is obtainable in developed nations. If the place of worship is in residential areas, then there is sound proof. It is very simple if you will manage to think.

2. Going by your logic, then there's absolutely no need for churches since every individual can do his/her kini from the house.

God is not limited or restricted to places of worship, that was the point made. He lives in every believer, not locked out as you naively claim.

3. The places where 90% of Nigerian churches are located is in residential areas. On people's streets, lanes and closes. So that defeats your argument.

Nothing stops a place of worship(church) from being in a residential area if there is proper planning. Once things like noise, parking, security and co are not affected, then why not. But if they are affected, then a well planned society will position it differently. Same thing goes for schools, markets, parks, courts, offices etc.

4. Jesus didn't want to constitute a nuisance yet the churches which you have rose to their defense are doing the exact opposite.


The question still remains

Why do the affluent relegate houses of worship to residential areas of poorer people?

You have no real question. You probably need exposure.

HellVictorinho:
State your point if you've got any!!!!!

Lol, i started already this new year.

HellVictorinho:
You have not explained how the DNA was created.
How did you know that the essence of life is to please God??
How did you know that there is a God that can be pleased??
Is it because the Bible says bla bla bla
What is a fulfilling life
You have to answer me so that you won't end up making no point.!!!!!!!!!

DNA was created by God. Can you explain how DNA suddenly appeared? i can't explain how planes or phones are made BTW, though there may be people that can. The point is, my inability to explain doesn't necessarily mean it was not made, does it? Can you give one example of an intelligent design that just happens by chance? Like the Burj Khalifa just happened by chance? The DNA is more complex BTW.

Let's irk you a little. All the other questions, because the Bible says so.
A fulfilled life is a life without regrets, accessible to anyone anywhere anytime.

atheistandproud:
Nigerians love God. Muslims love God. Christians love God. They all love the Nigerian God. Unfortunately, the Nigerian God is loud. His presence in a neighborhood is a security risk. So the first thing Nigerians do when they acquire education, enlightenment, wealth and power is to lock him out of their neighborhood.

My friend lives in a well planned estate somewhere in Ogun state. There is only one way to enter and to exit, and it is manned by well trained security men. Every house within that estate is residential. There is no shop, no school, no mosque, no church. Not even house fellowship! Needless to say that the opportunity for loitering within that neighborhood is effectively zero. In the five years that my friend has lived there, not one petty theft has been reported.

The irony is obvious, isn't it? The residents of that quiet estate leave their quiet neighborhood to worship the loud Nigerian God in churches in another neighborhood just outside the gate of their estate. Here, the rest of humanity lives. Here, the one-church-per-street rule of the RCCG is alive and well. Here every third house is a church or a mosque. Here there is loitering, stealing and armed robbery on a regular basis. The presence of God is a security risk and a source of environmental pollution. The residents of Quiet Estate know this and they decided to lock God out. If they need to see God they visit him in the next neighborhood, shout at the top of their lungs and return to their quiet estate. Because they are powerful and smart enough to build their God's house in a neighborhood where the inhabitants are too powerless, too unenlightened and too poor to reject the noise and security risk.

If the inhabitants of Quiet Estate love their God that much, why don't they house him in their quiet and safe estate? That is your Nigerian religious hypocrisy, staring right in your face.

By Dr. Olayinka
2017

Oh come on, be reasonable not senseless. You yourself mentioned well planned. Mode and method of church service is not God. God does not live in physical church buildings but in people. A residential area is a residential area. It is still you that will complain if they bring church there. Real believers pray without ceasing and study and meditate on the Word everywhere. Jesus Christ Himself excused Himself instead of constituting nuisance to others privacy. This is commonsense and proper planning, not shutting God out.

Mark 1:35 And in the morning, rising up a great while before day, he went out, and departed into a solitary place, and there prayed.

HellVictorinho:
You have not explained how the DNA was created.
How did you know that the essence of life is to please God??
How did you know that there is a God that can be pleased??
Is it because the Bible says bla bla bla
What is a fulfilling life
You have to answer me so that you won't end up making no point.!!!!!!!!!

Lol, i don't have to answer you. But i will.

HellVictorinho:
You were not there when the first humans appeared on Earth.
So,how did you observe that the DNA was created??
In fact, I want you to explain how the DNA was created and why it was created.
What is the essence of life

Is there anything half or quarter complex as the DNA that was not created? Do structured things just suddenly appear like we are praying for them to appear in Nigeria?
If by essence, you mean purpose of human life. The essence of human life is to please God. We find over the ages that people who please God live the most fulfilling and meaningful lives. It may sound ludicrous or outrageous but that again is the fact. Every other thing no matter how pleasurable doesn't satisfy ultimately.

Kobojunkie:
What the heck are you talking about? These men pretend that they are messengers of an Omniscient God whose prophecies are meant to serve as confirmation of His omniscience. So when they open their bloody trap holes to tell a lie in the name of God, even God Himself commanded in the Old Testament that such be put to death.

Good you say Old Testament. Most of all these talk are not prophecies in the first place. That you, or them, or their followers are misguided into thinking they are prophecies does not make them prophecies. The most are at best positive confessions, declarations and prayers. A toy car is not an aeroplane because they both have tyres or because you told a child so.

genkins:
Then, they should stay away from fortune telling

i also wish that too. Like i said, it doesn't make them false

HellVictorinho:
How did you know it is a fact?
A fact is a statement that shows what can be deduced from an observation.
What observations are made before religious people make such statements?

Any observer can easily deduce DNA is not accident. Billions of people from ages past and ages to come Worship. You don't need a microscope to see daylight.

CAPSLOCKED:
MANY GODS/RELIGIONS HAVE COME AND GONE. CHRISTIANITY IS NOT SPECIAL. IT IS ALREADY DEAD IN MANY PLACES IN THE WORLD. ALL THAT IS NEEDED IS MORE TIME AND CIVILIZATION, AND THESE GOD IDEAS WILL CONTINUE TO BE SHUFFLED.

Dead in one and alive in seven. Is that how to die? Clown

HellVictorinho:
Why should I believe man was made by anyone?

i don't ask you to believe, it is a statement of fact.

elated177:
This comment is ambiguous. Are you saying that my sect/denomination is the same as yours or you are asking for mine? If the latter is the case, then hear it.

---- I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN;
---- I DON'T BELONG TO ANY SECT/
DENOMINATION;
---- I DON'T GO TO "CHURCH"
---- I AM CHURCH;
---- MY RELIGION IS THE STRICT, COMPLETE
AND ABSOLUTE OBEDIENCE TO THE TEN
COMMANDMENTS OF MY FATHER IN
HEAVEN, YAHVEH ALMIGHTY.

- I AM A CHILD OF GOD;
---- I DON'T BELONG TO ANY SECT/
DENOMINATION.
---- I AM CHURCH;
---- MY RELIGION IS THE STRICT, COMPLETE
AND ABSOLUTE OBEDIENCE TO THE
COMMANDMENT OF MY FATHER IN
HEAVEN, ALMIGHTY GOD.

elated177:
Tell us your own sect/denomination.

Yours na

HellVictorinho:
Yeah,nobody can kill religion but how does that make it necessary??
Can't humans socialize in the absence of religion?

Man was made to worship. Just like a dog barks, the human will always thirst for God, hopefully he finds the right one.

CAPSLOCKED:
A NEW DAY. A NEW REASON TO CONTINUE WITH MY CAMPAIGN TO ERADICATE RELIGION AND SUPERSTITIOUS BELIEFS, AND CONTINUE TO ENLIGHTEN OTHERS LIKE ME.

BELIEVE NO GOD(S). FEAR NO DEMON(S).

Epic fail @eradicating religion. You're doing a clownish grade at that so far. Lemme Also profesy na, your campaign has failed, "would" is an impossible word to put in the statement. Once heard of a guy that they used his house for Bible printing press, lol. You should check out his story, he is one of your mentors.

ksmart027:
Good morning and happy new year to you all, please i will like to ask these question, is new year only meant to be celebrated by christains? I lived in the north for a long time before relocating and i never for once see a muslim celebrate new year. So is new year meant to be celebrated only by christains or all religion?

Muslims have a different calendar. Their new year day is not too popular. Google check Gregorian calendar and Hijiri calendar.

genkins:
These men of God gave prophesies that did not come out to be true. A pilot, jygga Collins has come hard on these Nigerian MOG.read his assertions below and watch these pastors


Watch below a video compiled by atunsky but posted on Instagram by jygacollins about pastors that predicted a great year in 2020.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c--3ykTCHKw

Not that i fully agree with many of these MOGs, but the fact that most people are missing is that seeing or not seeing the future doesn't necessarily invalidate you. Fortune telling is not exactly the standard for credibility. For instance, Bill Gates predicted the situation quite well but seems to have lost more credibility in the past year than any other.
Except you are omniscient, you are not under obligation to see or know everything. BTW, there were so called accurate prophecies about 2020 and Covid even here on NL but that doesn't exactly make the MOGs original like i said.

elated177:
Well, I still don't know about that. Not that I care.

It appears you have a problem with them. If that is the case, I don't want to be part of whatever problem that exists between you and them. I am all for the teaching of the Ten Commandments of my Father in heaven, Yahveh Almighty, and strict obedience to them. No one is going to make me derail in that regard.

Image23, I was not sent to attack any religion or denomination. That is not why I am here. Therefore, the good work Yahveh Almighty has been using me his humble saint, servant and messenger, elated177, to do here and beyond here, will not be reduced to such.

So, to you, image23, I say: "To denominational bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance."

You got it twisted there. Knowing a person or sect is not bigotry or persecution. Only a naive person would have dealings with a person or sect and not know them.

kingxsamz:
Your Jesus can suck my balls.

You need to find Him first, He made it all.

kingxsamz:
...
There's nothing like fake prophets. Stop deceiving yourselves. There are only prophets, no real, no fake.
That's because nobody actually hears from any god. These scammers lie to their congregation to give them false hope and rob them off their money in the process.
Takeaway tithes and offerings from Christianity and watch all church doors close.
Funny how all their prophecies are usually different and contradictory and never really come to pass. Are they receiving messages from different gods? Clowns.

Small mind. Everything is not about your god money. Look for Jesus, the real deal.

It's funny but he shouldn't start off the year with controversy, tears. Don't let it begin with tears bra

elated177:
Well, I don't know about that.

Now you know, lol. They don't know what to do with the passages they crammed for argument. They don't think or reason, they just release it one after the other whatever you may be saying or not saying.

Pastor Chris ohhh. Slow down and wait for senior prophet TB, he just came from mountain.

CAPSLOCKED:
I'VE NEVER ATTENDED SO CALLED CROSSOVER SERVICES. YOU CAN'T TELL ME IT'S IMPORTANT LOOKING AT HOW I'M NOT ONE OF THE MOST UNFORTUNATE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY TODAY.
I'M EVEN MORE PROSPEROUS THAN A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF ACTIVE DEDICATED CHRISTIANS IN NIGERIA, AND I SUCCEED WITH NO GOD(S) REQUIRED.

Mat 5:45 KJV That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Attending cross over or even church is not a criteria to make money which is your unfortunate definition of prosperity. You have been scammed and are still being scammed to believe God allows you to be rich based on how many cross over services you attend.