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planned to be completed in the year 2022. Jokes section please.

TimeIllusion:
Have faith in the Goddess, She loves you. She would cure your psychosis in a jiffy.

You don't believe in the Goddess, do you? Divert and dance around as the newest coward in town bro, you deserve it.

On a side note, majamaja and koboko make a crazy pair to meet in one thread. They'll make one laugh into crase mode.

TimeIllusion:
C’mon child, I have faith in you.

Have faith in God, He loves you. He would cure your cowardice in a jiffy.

TimeIllusion:
Take a guess, sweetheart.

i don't gamble baby, don't be a coward.

TimeIllusion:
It’s not what it is because y’all can’t agree on what it is. Watching the meaninglessness is amusing. Now, where are Max and Image123 to tell you that you don’t know what it is.
You have a lot of “shit to figure out” because according to Tocheagle, a Christian of the highest order, it is sad to see that you’re a Pharisee.

What's your former or other NL handle/moniker? Don't be a shy coward honey.

Luzebox:
Ok ... firstly...if i point a gun on your head and tell you to slap your mom ...and you slap her ...did you do it out of freewill?...now if i promise to burn you forever unless you worship me...and you worship me...is that freewill?

It may be the wisest thing you ever did, don't you think? Don't jump from that height to a certain death, i will not force you not to jump though.

Secondly... belief is not a choice..u make sound like it's a choice.... No Matter how hard i try to believe cows can spit fire...i just can't... nobody can actually believes by choice

Can i force you to believe me since it is not a choice according to you? Remember to put a yes or a no.

TimeIllusion:
People raised in the Christian tradition or environment would criticize God based on the god they are familiar with just like people raised in the Islamic tradition would criticize God based on the god they are familiar with.
I consider your god to be on the same footing as all other patron or creator gods, so I’m not criticizing “God” when we talk about Yahweh, because Yahweh is just like the others.

So you guys can consider God from Bible accounts but i cannot explain or defend God from biblical accounts, interesting perspective. Hear what the Bible says.
Isa 45:5  I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 

The Bible is not the historical account of God’s dealings with man. The Old Testament is a collection of Jewish myth and legends, while the New Testament is a collection Graeco-Roman fables with ample Egyptian influence. Its accounts are not proof of anything “supernatural”.

It is AN historical account. Your opinion is noted. i don't think i have mentioned the Bible as proof, i said "people don't necessarily believe God because of the supernatural." We can clearly and objectively see this in the Bible. This is the thrust of your long stories. Your colleague asked to see God, and i said his seeing God does not guarantee anything. Many people have "seen" God and not believed(both in and outside the Bible), many more have not "seen" God and yet believed. ("Seen" here referring to whether actually professing to seeing God Himself or His manifestations)

It’s not my Avesta/Bundahishn, it’s one of a collection of religious texts similar to your bible and is one of the sacred texts of Zoroastrianism. Ahura Mazda is said to be “God” according to their cosmogony and their account of creation.

So, we can say that Bundahishn gives an account of how Ahura Mazda created the world and his dealings with man, or we can say the Bible gives an account of how Yahweh created the world and his dealings with man. But neither the Bundahishn or the Bible is evidence for “God”.

Bring up our avesta then if it supports your course, i am not as inconsiderate as you are.

Hab 2:18  What profiteth the graven image that the maker thereof hath graven it; the molten image, and a teacher of lies, that the maker of his work trusteth therein, to make dumb idols? 
Hab 2:19  Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it. 

This doesn’t make any sense. What are you trying to say? Be rational, not emotional please. Regardless, I’m not in danger so I don’t need to saved.

Your continued attempt to mimic me doesn't usually turn out as a good strategy going by my experience with those who take the route. Think independently. You are created with capacity to be a unique being capable of independent thought. Try to re-read what you wrote in the quote and perhaps correct it. It made little or no sense to me. You believe you are not in danger nor need to be saved, yet people are forced to be saved. Do you smoke something when typing?

Yes, Zeus is the equivalent of Yahweh unless you have any rational reason for regarding Jewish mythology as fact while doing the opposite regarding Greek mythology.

Zeus made merry on Mt. Olympus while Yahweh dictated commandments on Mt. Sinai.
Same coin, different sides.

You believe Zeus to be equal to Yahweh based on? Correct me if i am wrong, but i guess you believe that from what you read and heard. Is your reading and hearing superior to those who believe based on what they also read and heard? You seem blind to the fact that you conveniently take the parts that favour your opinions hook, line and sinker but you frown at contrary views from the same book. Is there a pattern here?

Yes, and anyone can learn about it if they please. You don’t need knowledge of the physical processes in the brain we call love to feel it, so you have no point really. What does love have to do with this anyway? You probably brought it up because you didn’t expect me to have an answer, then you could have used it as some evidence for “God”.

How many billions of people have no access to this evidence of love that you present? What do we do for them sir so that they can feel love? You insult me greatly when you suppose that i do not expect you to have an answer, i am not here to waste my time or that of anyone. i don't ask questions hoping/expecting people don't have answers. i am not interested in showing you superior intellect like most of you try to. i have long known that no man is a fool(in the sense that people usually call it regarding level of intellect/intelligence). i am aware that God made every human intelligent in their own way. i recall having a back and forth on this recently with your hypocrite friend majamaja.

When i asked you the question on evidence of love, i was expecting something on the normal and usual lines of action. i would have used that to prove the long known point. But you answered using the more sophisticated view. Which makes me ask how many billions of people cannot feel love this way. Certain chemical/neurological reaction to stimuli is your evidence of love. How then do you measure peace, joy, patience, goodness, pride or meekness and wickedness? i hope you continue with these chemical reactions to a logical end.

You made another asinine analogy comparing the possible consequences of having sex to your religion’s doctrine of hell. I didn’t move the goal posts, I just showed how ridiculous your analogy was.

Actually, i reminded you that actions like loose sex and reckless driving have consequences, just like every other action and decision usually done without force. You decided to classify consequences with adjectives like POSSIBLE to absurdly twist that going to hell is not a consequence of rejecting Jesus.

I brought up the concept of hell as prime example of your “worship me or else” concept of god when you said belief in your god is not by force.

Listen, you are not. What makes the Bible fit as your prime example when convenient, but discarded when used by others to explain itself? That is the question.

Yahweh owns heaven, earth, and hell. There’s nothing special about that.
According to Martian, TUTUkan owns Utopiea, Mars, and Frozolakh. If you don’t like Their terms go and create your own planet and life.

What are their terms?
Psa_46:6  The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Stop with the silly analogies and respond to the military regime analogy. If I point out why this one is another poor analogy, you’ll respond with “shifting the goal post”.

Good that you know your goal-shifting efforts. You want to know why God acts, then you need a balanced and proper perspective. Otherwise, you will only see what you want to see because He is a very big God. You cannot be outside the stadium and describing the goal to people that are inside the stadium because you heard shouts. You cannot just take/believe/consider hell without considering the full perspective about the Creator and purpose. If according to the Bible, God is the Creator and Owner of hell, heaven, earth and the inhabitants. Then it is only logical to consider His perspective. That makes Him like the government that owns the transport system and gave laws about payment for it. On your military question, there is what they call resistance. You can resist or you can go elsewhere.

If I were alive during the time when the believers of your god were murdering people, I would have resisted their force and ended up dead. Those periods are examples of your religion/god being spread by explicit force, and there is the implicit force inherent in your doctrine of hell.

There you come with ifs and supposings. i said you are not forced, you were arguing all the while that you are forced. Now, you are telling us IF.

You brought up the different versions of Christianity when you said not every Christian believes in hell. Don't be a dotard.

Nope, i did not. You are confused yet again.

You showed it’s not necessarily so by bringing up versions of Christianity that don’t believe in hell. That doesn’t mean your doctrine does not include force or that your religion wasn’t spread by violence. How am I showboating??!!

There are many believers in God who do not believe by force. i do not believe God by force for example. i have watched scary films and so forth about hell and judgement and seen my mates and even senior ones crying, but it hardly moved me in making any decision even when i was quite young. There are billions of people who believe God without being forced to or being talked to above hell. Some people just see it as the right thing to do, some people want to be good, some people respond to God's love. It is not everyone that ran to God because of hell like you have been claiming. It is not about any version of Christianity, you are missing the point.

Jesus must have been some type of psychopath to teach something as depraved as hell. Yes, people worshipped Yahweh before the Jesus character without belief in hell. But that doesn’t detract from the fact that the Christian conception of Yahweh includes hell for rejection. It’s a feature of Christianity.


Take your own advice. I always learn humbly.
e.g. I heard you are an expert on women’s sartorial choices and Yahweh’s rules concerning such matters.
So I ask humbly, are women allowed to wear pants/trousers?

You must have heard wrong as usual. What is your NL previous handle, don't be ashamed. It's very funny this so called bold people are very afraid and ashamed to tell us about their past, yet they say religion is driven by fear. They forget their own fears that usually lead them to suicide and depression in the majority.

Projection.

Experience.

TimeIllusion:
Biblical accounts cannot serve as evidence or example of "God". Stories about Yahweh are are valid as Stories about Zeus when it comes to God. Saying Yahweh manifested in the Bible is like saying Ahura Mazda manifested in the Avesta. I'm sure you wouldn't accept the use of the Avesta so you shouldn't present your bible as evidence.

So you guys can condemn and criticize God from Bible accounts but i cannot explain or defend God from biblical accounts, interesting perspective. The Bible gives the historical account of God's dealings with man. From its accounts, it shows people don't necessarily believe God because of the supernatural. Bring up your avesta if it supports your course, i am not as inconsiderate as you are.

If recordings are not enough, I'm sure it can do other things to prove itself.
COVID-19 remains a poor example because it can be proven even if people refuse to accept it without personal experience. And some refuse to accept it as they are dying from it. Nevertheless, its existence does not depend on faith.
Another thing, the reasons for believing in COVID-19 are not sensible and mostly based on faith, similar to the reasons for believing in Yahweh.

You should re-read this, it makes very little sense but i will see to make sense of it, be rational not emotional please. God is believed on by billions of people, He is not under pressure to prove Himself. Biden needs just under 100million people to be president irrespective of the other millions that don't believe he is president of the United States or that he won. You unfortunately are an insignificant minority, believe and be saved.

Zeus is the equivalent of Yahweh while satan is one Yahweh's underlings in jewish mythology.

How convenient. Bible should not be considered for reference, example or evidence. But Zeus is definitely an equivalent of Yahweh for you. lol

Mapping can reveal the activation in the reward and motivation systems of the brain, which means certain chemical/neurological reaction to stimuli is what's called "love". A dead brain can't express love. No?

This is your evidence of love? How many billions of people have no access to this evidence of love? What do we do for them sir so that they can feel love?

STD and unwanted pregnancy are possible consequences of having sex. You can have sex without contracting an STD or unwanted pregnancy and they are not equivalent to long-term torture (hell).
According to Christianity, hell is the certain consequence of rejecting your doctrine and mythology. For people prone to having faith, hell is an implicit threat.

I repeat, does a military regime have to harm you to force you to comply? All they have to do is tell you the "consequences".

Funny you. So it is now about shifting the goalposts to possible consequences and certain consequences. Keep digging. From the concept of hell and heaven which you conveniently choose to speak on and attack but throw out the same Bible when it explains or defends God. God owns heaven, earth and hell. If you don't like His terms go and create your own planet and life. A government says you should use Card and not Cash to use the metro transport system. You say they are forcing you. Get your own country man. You have a will. Dig deeper sir.

No, I would have been dead.

So you were not forced. What exactly are you arguing about?

Of course there are many versions of Christianity, but we are talking about the versions that want to cast everyone to hell. Even your Jesus allegedly talked about hell, so maybe Christians who don't believe in hell are not "true Christians". It's not by force to believe in God, but according to your faith, it's believe or else a.k.a by force

So many who claim to be Christian can even agree about the nature of the diety you call God (or hell), but you're so sure it exists. Where is Maxindahouse, I need him to tell you you're wrong?

It's now about versions of Christians again, you must be one hell of a confused young man. You claim people believe in God by force, i showed you it's not necessarily so, now you are showboating. Jesus Christ taught a lot about hell, but there are people who lived before and after Jesus Christ who believed God without knowing much or even anything about hell. You should try to know what you are talking about or learn humbly. It's not about having the last say or "winning argument". You'll continue whining, twisting and digging if you're about winning the argument.

MaxInDHouse:
Why can't you present your own God without having to attach yourself to others?

Well you're just a pagan with no specific FAITH, since the OP has refused to ask questions it's evident that he's not interested in the TRUTH he has already made up his mind. So i'll leave you guys to continue spewing your gibberish!

Liar and hypocrite, you are not leaving are you?

LordReed:
Why? Do skyscrapers get built by only 1 person?

Yeah, Solomon built the temple, Buhari, GEJ, OBJ and co built things. Their subordinates are not their equal, little reed.

TimeIllusion:
You think a little. Can Yahweh be proven in a lab like COVID-19? People who think there is no COVID-19 have faith it doesn't exist just like they have faith that Yahweh exists. Oyedepo has faith in your God just as he has faith that "COVID is a lie from Hell"

You decided to fallaciously miss the point, let's hope it's not deliberate else we are both wasting your time.
Someone said he would be convinced if God appeared physically or manifested Himself. i reminded him how that didn't seem to work out too well in the Bible accounts. You said God should appear in cities for people with camera phones as a solution. i reminded you that Covid 19 is in cities and everywhere on the media, yet there are people who don't believe. In simple words, appearing on phones, videos and cities doesn't mean you will be believed either. You leave this simple straightforward fact and line and start to talk about venn diagrams, laboratories and hell. Are you being rational or emotional?

One mythological character at a time. Keep satan away from here for now.

Someone mentioned Zeus, do you remember or it was devoured?

All gods do the same things regardless of adherents. Absolutely nothing. That's reality, not faith. The number of adherents of your god is due to violence, conquest, subjugation, proselytizing, theft, and consolidation of political power by people.
Tell me what your god did that can't be attributed to Zeus? You make a claim about your god without evidence and somebody else can claim Marduk did it without evidence.

Your definition of evidence being lab science. Good, what is your evidence of love?

The consequences for reckless driving, unprotected sex, or illiteracy are not equivalent to stated consequences of rejecting your God. Apart from faith in your God being historically spread at the point of a sword, the threat of hell is the equivalent of force.

If I tell you that 10 years from today I will Water Board you everyday for the rest of your life if you don't agree with me about Pixies and their eternal love, it would be force. Granted it is not explicit, but if you know I was capable of it then it would be force. For people who think there is a God, it is force by threat. Pascal's Wager is based on this threat.
Does a military regime have to force you to do things at the point of a gun? No, they'll just tell you the "consequences".

Hell is not a threat, just like accident is not a threat, STD and unwanted pregnancy is not a threat. They are consequences of actions that are usually done without force. If you were forced, you would have been saved. That is why you keep glibly referring to some times when people were forced.
So many people who claim to be Christian don't even know about hell, believe in hell or agree about hell. Yet you claim it is by force to believe.

MaxInDHouse:
I am Maximus one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, if you're truthfully searching for God i can help you but if you've made up your mind then your heart will only be inclined towards one side "God does not exist" by then nobody can help you again.
First of all i want you to know that God exists and there is just one single group of people worshiping him today Jehovah's Witnesses so if you want to discuss with me you have to concentrate on you and i alone, let others flow in with their contribution but you don't need to ask me questions pertaining to the information someone else gives you about God.
My own God is unique, he has almost 9,000,000 worshipers globally, we are all like one family even though we don't know ourselves face to face the SPIRIT unite us as one throughout the earth. So whatever you hear from any other source about God doesn't have anything to do with our own God because nobody outside our Organization know our own God and he is the one and only true God.

So if you're ready to chat about him feel free to ask me any question and i'll give you answers from the Bible.

May you have PEACE!

Jokes are not supposed to be allowed here. Anyway.

TimeIllusion:
Such a poor analogy. The venn diagram of people who don't accept the the existence of COVID and those who believe in the same god as you is a perfect circle. Examples abound on this site.



The patron diety of Israel that you call God has done as much as Zeus.



It's not by force? That's rich coming from an adherent of a religion that includes "hell" in it's doctrine and mythology.

A poor analogy yet you accept that there are people who don't believe in Covid 19? It seems satan really devours people's brains literally. If God and Zeus did same things, they'd have similar numbers of adherents or you are saying that on faith? If it was by force for you to believe, you would have. You don't believe because it is not by force. Consequences are different. There are consequences for reckless driving, unprotected sex or illiteracy. It doesn't mean it is by force to drive with sense, be responsible or be literate. Mr. man, like i tell your colleagues, think please.

TimeIllusion:
Can he He appear to the whole world at the same time?
The OP said he can come "down"? A good manifestation would be him "coming down" simultaneously in Sydney, Lagos, Rome, Dharka, Dakar, Tokyo etc. With the ubiquitous camera phone, his His existence would no longer be in doubt. Is that foolish?

Covid 19 is here with us, there are people who don't believe. Don't be fooled by your brain. Like someone said, if God who knows you more than you know yourself has done what you need to believe. It is not by force, the way remains narrow.

Robust reply except she didn't need to reiterate that her husband doesn't deserve anything good in life or something like that. Hope accused paitors learn robust and timely reply when necessary.

hopefulLandlord:
Good question. If God exists and he/she/it (for the purpose of this discussion I'd use "He" from now on) wants me to know him then he KNOWS what he would do to convince me. he created me from scratch, knows all my strengths and weaknesses, knows me more than I even know myself so only he knows what would convince me of his existence

Good answer.

LordReed:
Depends on the god. For gods like the Christian god that can take bodily shape and do things that defy the laws of the universe, they may have to come in visible form and perform feats that defy the laws of the universe as we know them. That will at least convince me that the claims of Christianity have merit.

But the ones that saw and heard Him didn't believe, neither was He happy with them. Why do you foolishly think you will be convinced by manifestation?

Nuttella:
If you want to know if God truly exist, I want you to do a dry fasting for 7 days(12am-6pm no food and water till 6pm) praying to God to reveal his power to you, also sing praises to him, read your bible, before you read the bible tell the holy spirit to baptise you with his fire, you have to be intentional about it and for each day, I want you to record your experience and your dream in a notebook. Then come back and give us your observation. During the fasting period, don't go through any atheist posts or share cause you are seeking God now to know him.

Try it and tell me your observation.

Good experiment if anyone can try. God is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him. Emphasis on diligently.

kingxsamz:
Lmao... Isn't that what you people say when someone starts thinking for himself and starts analyzing the Bible logically? "Don't question God".

Who are the you people, what does the Bible say? Don't you see Christians answering questions on the religion section all the time?

kingxsamz:
Don't you know you're not supposed to question God or the bible?
Don't you know you're supposed to just believe without having sense or using logic?
You better keep quiet if you don't want God to use you for barbecue.

Where did you hear this fable? Have you read the psalms to see the many questions God was asked there? Have you read the gospels to see Jesus Christ questioned several times? Anyway, your faith is in folly not in Christ. It's expected.

lawrenzooo:
My pastor said he would be placing me on church discipline tomorrow.
What do I expect and what does it entail.
Thank you

It depends on your church administration. Ask your pastor. In every home,house, society, organization, establishment or company, there are different means of discipline, correction and rebuke.

LordReed:
You hit the nail on the head. It is slowly dawning on them that this Jesus is coming soon na wash so now they are accumulating all the political power, clout, wealth, land, etc and building empires so that their influence will never die. That so called kingdom of god will come by their own effort.

Rubbish, so the millions of people that voted for Biden are Hindus and atheists. Try to think please, there's a whole lot of people not thinking already. Biden himself is a Joseph Christian and his family is Christian so what nonsense aren't you spewing already?

DNP2020:
You dont understand..this is beyond prayer warrior. He has dedicated years of his life to church activities. He goes for MFM Prayer city camp and stays there for months. He wakes us up 5 am to do our morning devotional. Im just beyond confused whats going on here really.

Call him and ask him. His answer should tell how worried you should be. But why worry when you can pray instead?

LordReed:
Yes, it's a conspiracy theory.

Little reed, why did you go and display crass ignorance in the muslim section regarding circumcision? Does circumcision make the man of any less or weaker value than you uncircumcised philistine? Why do you peel yam, tangerine and onions? Why not just eat them all in honour of nature? What has circumcision got to do with afterthoughts?

New leader of what, who or where? It has become critical to re-ask "who is bankrolling you?"

iyambz:
Women cannot pastor (1 Tim 2:11-14 kjv). “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”

Women cannot usurp authority over:
1. Grown adult male (in church and in home).
2. The church
3. The home

Women can be godly with good works. Even Sarah called Abraham “lord” and once corrected her husband in Gen 15.

The good works women can do:
1. Pray. God answered Rachel and Hannah
2. Soul wining
3. Teach other women. Women can minister better to women rather than men.
4. Ministering (ministering means to serve). She can minister the gospel.
5. Church attendance, offering, sing.
6. Women can teach in Sunday school classes. They can teach children. Children are very important. They are the next generation. Women should spend more time with them. That’s how important they are.
7. Women can write books and publish materials where women can grow in knowledge of the Scriptures and get a blessing and nourishment out of it.

The problem of women is that they care about popularity and fame so they can get the power and attention all to themselves. That’s why they move for women empowerment and feminism. Why not minister to other women in things of God? (Acts 18:2,24,26 kjv) shows a woman who corrected a scholar. This is why its important for women to know the right doctrine and to show it.

It seems God favors women more because they are the weaker vessel (1 Pet 3:7 kjv). God says husband should honor the wife, but today’s liberal women doesn’t want that anymore. They don’t want to go with what the Bible says. They all claim to be independent.

Now why do your churches keep ordaining women pastors? Well they are simply saying that what God says is dirty. Getting emotional and attacking God’s pure words (AV 1611) will not make God to change His plan about jugdging the world according to His word (Romans 3:3-4 kjv). Anyways, they will all have their day in court when they will prove to God that His words were dirty.

That you go to church and also pastor does not mean you are saved. The only way out is to simply repent as a sinner and ask our Lord Jesus to save you through His blood. Don’t let the devil deceive you.

Very true, let everyone stay in his calling. Women have more important roles to play than bearing titles.

petra1:
I dont know what you're talking about. But spiritual men don't get embarrassed but men in the flesh

What of spiritual people that are shamefaced?

petra1:
Father . . . Na wa for this your son. He still doesn't get it. Okay oh

See your godly friend embarassing you. i should thank that rubbish hypocrite Sam though, the link fell on my lap through him. Normally, i would not go out of my way looking for Trump's "young knowledge", i don't need to waste my time.

petra1:
So you rather side with the devil nah. The fact that they are politicians is not the issue whos policy is favorable to God cause and whos policy is unfavorable . At least Trump openly profess his faith in christ . He may be young in knowledge



Kindly site the verse that was misused and twisted

Who is the devil, a politician? Don't be childish please. The two parties are of the world and not of God's kingdom. Many Jews openly professed faith in God and yet killed Him quickly before the Sabbath at hand. Maybe they are also young in knowledge. You referring to someone as the devil and adversary that has just been rigged in, or of them missing the time of visitation, or you agreeing with your pastor to sell Trump is all tantamount to misusing and twisting the Bible to support one. However, i am not specifically referring to you as a person but generally. That my point is for folks to stop using, misusing and misquoting scriptures or religion to promote Trump or any political agenda. None of them is for God or favourable. Trump identified with gays when campaigning, abortion rights didn't stop under him. Sin and wickedness continue to be with Trump there.

MaxInDHouse:
Wow! Wow!! Wow!!!
So you can also attribute the fine works of God's Holy Spirit to the effect of STRONG WINE {Act 2:13} attributing the fine deeds of God's Holy Spirit to drunkenness! Matthew 12:31-32

Thanks my friend and may you have PEACE!

You and your hypocrisy are not the fine works of the Holy Spirit which you don't know, acknowledge or understand.

frank317:
Have u seen how foolish u and ur God are?

Trump this trumpet that, God this God that.

U worship an imaginary being that lives in ur head and has taken over ur ego. But u will never learn. Evidence of the non-existence of ur God keeps popping up here and their but u guys rather choose to remain dumb.

U will still die like ur fathers, waiting for end time when ur God will come like a thief.

Foolish people.

We were telling them but they didn't listen. God didn't send them to twist scriptures for Trump or any politician. Ask Biden.

petra1:
Thats your word. Their policies are not hidden go online . Sodomy campaign is on .




Wasting salvation ? Nigerian sha. What does that mean

They are both politicians, working for their own interests not yours or the church. Stop misusing and twisting the Bible to support one, that remains the point. Focus.
If with salvation and all the benefits in it, you are still miserably fooled by mere men, you are wasting it. Get some discernment.