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Ubenedictus:You didn't read the book i quoted from? It's the Holy Bible so stop asking rhetorical questions. If you have nothing to say, it is better to keep quiet like you initially did and the other guy did. |
Ubenedictus:How many do you know? |
klassic:i'm not in a court of law, neithe r was Aluko when he made his statements, neither are you in a court but on a public forum. So when you ask publicly if/how the Ekiti election was rigged, it is only fair that i show you it was. Whether the courts think so is another matter, because even the Fayemi who was cheated is not as aggrieved so what is my own to take it to court or constitution levels? From clear public evidences, it was rigged. |
sexyfunke:Why should he be arrested and others that he implicated not arrested? If you believe he is serious or telling the truth about himself in so much as to be arrested, what about the other people he mentioned? BTW, the man said it clearly that he remains a PDP member and will not leave PDP, that he has a case in court and mentioned the date. |
hopilo:What? A president allegedly militarized an election for personal gain, told top brass military heads of the country to obey a governorship aspirant as they will obey him the CinC, approved money from ONSA for bribing military and paramilitary personnel, you find no problem with that? |
klassic:The simple definition of rig is to cheat, manipulate, arrange an outcome by means of deceit, change in a way that is not honest. Going by these plain definitions, the Ekiti elections were rigged if what Aluko and Koli are saying is true. Remember Omisore also concurred to the authenticity of that audiotape and meeting. If you see nothing wrong with kidnapping and arresting all major opposition figures and disenfranchising them from partaking in election process, i have not much to discuss with you. |
maestroferddi:No he didn't. Lere didn't face or address issues, he was only after throwing mud and making personal allegations. The dr aluko already implicated and rubbished himself for whatever intent. |
SignalNG1:Uba was the liar in my opinion. He claimed to be calling from Ghana but we all heard that MTN "you have one minute remaining". Abi is MTN in Ghana? i may be wrong on this though but i think the man don sharply declare escape before efcc comes knocking to verify stuff from him. |
ElCule:Whatever reason, the point now is there are two possibilities. One, either he was saying the truth before and lying now, or two, either he was lying before and saying the truth now. This is germane, let's not be distracted from the implications by motive. Motives are separate from actions in law. i can have a good motive for stealing or prostitution. |
comos:What makes him a liar, any contrary proof or you just think or hope that he's a liar? |
impeccablemee:i hope he did. That man looks diabolical. Ogun people and their ogun no go winch Bubu oh. |
DropShot:Suicide bombings can be prevented if we locate and prosecute their sponsors. IEDs are not cheap. |
Suffering for the goat and yam theory, eeyah. |
kobenol:Don't mind the OP Xposer and even the three ministers. Operating a mobile plant with two people hanging on like Lagos bus conductors, no nose mask, no hand gloves, just feeding out free dust and stench upandan and taking photos thereby depleting the ozone, lol. |
drss:We devalued the naira late 2014 and again early 2015, did it free up pressure on the naira? Abeg, carry all these textbook nonsense go exam hall or IMF. Who devaluation don help? |
ocelot2006:Indeed, and you're still expatiating on the pity game. You're trying to tell me that for about 6years of death and waste, it's only American weapons that was being sourced? That it is around election that somebody finally discovered they could switch? With over 1trillion spent, yet boko haram remained a menace. |
ocelot2006:What are you saying that is making you so happy? It is on public record that the GEJ administration used over a trillion naira as expenditure for arms purchase. It is a shame on them if they did not purchase even more than all these so called weapons. How is it we buy all the good and expensive books for a student and he fails. then someone else takes the same books and passes. Is the first student not supposed to be very ashamed of himself? Is he supposed to be mouthing that someone else passed using the textbooks that he bought, textbooks that could not help him? Was he not playing the pity game saying USA did not allow him to buy weapons, why is he now saying he bought weapons? Why was boko haram ransacking army barracks with ease and carting away with sophisticated ammunition under his watch? |
You will hardly see Fayose in these kind of meetings or playing a front row. How will he synergize with others and rub minds. His state is one of the poorest if not the poorest, why not come and learn from others and gain more exposure? Everything is not politics and propaganda, there's time for governance. |
spokesboy:The question wasn't satisfactorily answered, why did TB hide away from Nigeria for the first time for about a year when he had case in court in Nigeria. Anyway, let's hope he makes it to court Feb 8 except hands have rubbed hands. |
naijadeyhia:Don't mind these guys. Information is available on SIPRI website about expenditures and arms tranfers for all countries. While we indeed spent a lot, we got little or nothing during the Jonathan era. If GEJ wasn't shameless and indeed INEFFECTUAL, he will not be saying these. It is like a coach with players who got them relegated. Another coach took the same team and won Champions League. The relegation coach is now talking in the beer parlor that it is his players that were used. |
tete7000:Of course, you're the one that heard him well. |
tete7000:Talking about propaganda beclouding one's judgement, Buhari never promised three months. He said FEW months. |
cktheluckyman:Are you kidding me or drunk in ignorance? Boko haram was operating freely in three states at will by May 29. They were in charge of local governments and towns in Borno especially. We've received aid and training from countries like US, UK, France, South Africa. However, it's been more a matter of political will, strategy, integrity and patriotism. GEJ administration never wanted boko haram defeated, it helped their myopic selfish ends. They cheaply gave sophisticated weapons to boko haram and kept borrowing and pumpin money in guise of insurgency. Buhari came and changed all that. |
italo:They claim to have one faith just like you claim to. |
italo:Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. If any man thirst, let him come. It obviously is not your call or privilege to decide. |
italo:If they are deceiving you, is it not worse that you deceive yourself? Where was so called church hierarchy and apostolic succession in the Bible and in the first three centuries AD? if not for Constantine that gave the RCC mouth. Of course, you must know him. nonetheless, lemme indulge you and remind you. Constantine the Great was Emperor of Rome in the 3rd century. Constantine had an unexpected victory in 312AD that he credited to the God of the christians. This victory made him the emperor of the western half of the roman empire. After this victory, he gave the church a favoured position where other emperors had persecuted and hated the church. Many church buildings were erected and he built two basilicas in Rome for Peter and Paul, that one at the Vatican and one on the ostian way. christianity enjoyed special privileges and preferences under his rule and it became fashionable for the people to become or be associated as christians. Formalism, use of vestments and candles was introduced(RCC loading), ritual replaced simplicity. On church issues, church leaders began to appeal to the Emperor on amtters they could have settled. Constantine called for a council of bishops in Gaul in 314AD.. He also called and presided over the council of bishops in Nicaea in 325AD. This was the first ecumenical council of the church. The central issues apart from Arius and his creed was the need to adopt a STATEMENT OF FAITH that would clearly define what christians believed about Jesus. The so called 'one faith' that Roman Catholics develop fits about was not even available as at 324AD. It was at the council of Nicaea that credal professions of faith came to be used as standards whereby orthodoxy was measured. This is the kind of stuff that the RCC uses till tomorrow to measure whether a denomination is catholic(true) or not. If your denomination claims anything else, it matters not if it is in the Bible, you are termed non-catholic, by implication not part of the true church. Quite contrary to the commands of the Lord Jesus who said not to condemn or judge anyone. Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 1Co 12:19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 1Co 12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 1Co 12:21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Note that even at these, there was no official Roman Catholic Church yet.There was no pope, though it was very much in the mould. Even with the lives of Constantine and Eusebius who were chiefly instumental for the start of the RCC and of course whom we owe the debt of much of church history(Eusebius). He and Constantine helped create the great christian Empire which morphed into the RCC. By the end of the 4th century, the church could no longer tolerate any form of christianity than that permitted by law(political power don dey). Only the catholic faith was allowed. That is those churches that held to an agreed Rule of Faith and a body of sacred literature were considered members of the catholic church. "In 380AD, Emperor Theodosius published an edict in which he ordered that the Faith taught to the Romans by Peter should be accepted by all nations. The title of catholic was henceforth to be reserved for those churches which adhered to the creed declared at the council of Nicaea, and it became the legal religion of the Romans. Already the church in Rome was claiming spiritual authority over the other churches, and the bishop there began to assume the title of Pope."(culled from 70 Great christians). That's where the Roman Catholic hierarchy began officially and constitutionally. |
italo:Nobody is disputing that the RCC is the oldest denomination or about so. What we are saying is that God's church is not in buildings and denominations, it is men, human beings who have received the Lord Jesus Christ all over the world. It is God that knows them all, it is not given to men to determine who they are. However, we know or at least assume some of them by their fruits. i say assume because we do not know their hearts and mptives and we are not perfect in knowledge. The thief at the cross, the believers at Ephesus who did not know whether there was any Holy Ghost, the ethopian eunuch and many more were all christians. They knew nothing about the RCC or the pope or its creeds. They are members of the Body of Christ. 'Great' and popular christians like the apostles, Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Justin Matyr knew nothing about the RCC or its rituals and rites. They had no pope neither did they answer to anybody in Rome. They did not pray to or through Mary. Lemme indulge you a little. Don't worry, you did not spring up yesterday, you are very old, maybe older than methuselah sef if that helps/makes you more authentic. The church has always had to deal with false doctrine and disagreements so shelve your so called one faith theory. These were usually settled by meetings like in Acts 15 and later through councils and synods. From gnosticism to docetism to ebionites to montanism to arianism and on and on. These were the knids of fights or apologetics that brought about the establishment of creeds and articles of faith, so that people will better align. Suffice to say that these were all man made efforts to hold the church and they clearly did not last as more and more adjustments and break ups continued. Church leadership(Bishop votes) often prevailed as is usually the case in every society and government. As at 190AD, there was no pope or RCC or Roman/Vatican dominion. History shows us a dispute the churches had at that period about when to celebrate Passover. The then Bishop of Rome tried to resolve by banning the asian churches from Christian fellowship. It was Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons that was able to resolve the matter. The Roman bishop's attempt to assume authority was overturned and the two parties agreed to allow the different practices(different dates of Passover observance) to continue. It was around then that Irenaeus wrote the Rule of Faith providing the churches with some measure of orthodoxy/conformity. The more definite and formal Creeds were still about 200years away from 190AD. Tertullian lived around 150-225AD. He knew nothing about the RCC as it had not yet being formed. There was no pope or authority from Rome. however, Tertullian is credited in history for many of the theological terms in common use today. terms like Trinity, Sacrament, Penitence, resurrection, and New Testament to describe the latter part of the Bible. He's a church father no doubt and the catholics picked up a lot from his writings, however he was never a Roman Catholic. Cyprian the Bishop of Carthage was a great influence in the formation of the Roman catholic church, though even him was not a Roman Catholic. there was nothing like that in his time 200-258AD. he only saw himself as a christian, saw the church as one and did what he thought was good to defend it. Carthage's main language was Latin and Cyprian was talented/gifted in administration. No doubt many christians LOVED him, and he is the source of most of those Latin talk in Roman Catholicism. They read his prayers, thought and co which were in latin. When Cyprian became a christian, he sold his gardens, gave himself to celibacy, poverty and Bible study. He was so devoted and within very short time was elected Bishop of Carthage. He introduced most of that dignity and carriage seen in the office of the bishop. During his time, when there was strong persecution and he was in hiding, Bishops of Rome, Antioch and jerusalem were all killed. Evidently, he became the 'senior' or leader or elder in the church. In fact, when a particular Stephen the new Bishop of rome attempted to assert his authority in a dispute by claiming to be a successor of Peter, he still had to back down to the more influential Cyprian. These are all in church history. It is clear that even as at Cyprian's time, there was no god in Rome's vatican. Although the RCC forms rites and way was beginning to take shape. In a later twist which would eventually solidify Rome's preeminence in the RCC, Cyprian wrote a treastise called the Unity of the Church. In it, it talked aboutr the church resting on the foundation of the Bishops, talked about Peter as the prince of apostles, and about the Bishop of Rome occupying a special position among Bishops. Despite these, he never accepted that Rome could dictate matters to other Bishops in his lifetime. His wuruwuru which has no biblical or historical backing is what many RCC people carry on their heads like gala today. |
italo:Eating snakes and drinking petrol is not a doctrine is it? It is a scandal, a situation causing public outrage. i'm sure you are aware that the guy's church was burnt and he was manhandled? Even atheist know the different denominations' stand on many issues, it is usually found on their websites, the RCC is no different. The only difference if we can call it so is the age of the different denominations and the catholic's church continued change and revisions through synods and councils. Many of the new denominations are not yet old enough or big enough to start their own revisions, if Jesus tarries. Each denomination has their stand or no stand on different social issues. One thing they do is try to harmonize with their headquarters or GOs. It is no different with the RCC which harmonises with the Vatican headquarters and the pope. It is no different from businesses and companies that have their policies. That one breaks from the other do not make them legal as far as they follow the right procedures. The owners of UBA, GTB, Zenith and co worked in other banks before. FirstBank or Union Bank is not more real or authentic simply because they are older or some of the new generation bank CEOs once worked there. Many churches/denominations have come out of the catholic church, the Methodist, the Baptist, Apostolic Faith, even from RCCG, Deeper Life and co. Sam Adeyemi of Daystar was from Living Faith or so. It don't make one more authentic than the other, it don't make one false and the other true. That the RCC claims to be the true church does not make it true. It is like Redeem claiming they are the only christians redeemed, or Winners claiming that they are the only winners. It is silly but that is what most members of the RCC do. Who knows what the Catholic teach about gay marriage? i said you are one of the top RCC voices on this forum. It's obvious. you've been on the forum for a long time and are very vocal on issues pertaining or concerning RCC. These are facts. Nobody is saying you are good or bad so i'm not patronising you. i'm just saying you should know better than to be using old worn out lines like catholic is the true church because there is contradiction and scandal in other denominations. That is very lame. |
That's unfortunate. Depends on how powerful your lecturer is if you want to do gragra. If he's a Mr or Dr or Prof. But this is Nigeria so the good thing for you is to go and meet him, become his friend. |
Hello keneking, blackstar and co, that's not Osinbajo's twitter handle oh. This fake one has_ in front and tweets silly stuff many times. Spambot banned me on politics section for heaven knows what. Would have replied on the thread.
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rusher14:Most people just seem to have a personal beef with the female presenter but she did nothing wrong really. She was more objective than Mr Onovo. |
In response to the thread Channels Sunrisedaily Presenters Taken To The Cleaners by PNomsule. Watching the interview shows no such thing done. The programme is on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89V2FMOTr3I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhiV4GYMWgw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPGntVpRwE Onovo clearly had a bias against the government and is expected to, being a former Presidential candidate under the NCP. Even the interviewers asked him at some point if he was being a sore loser. Though that question was unnecessary as he is not expected to say he is a sore loser. However, Onovo took it too personal and turned the interview into more of a debate than a discussion. He was also very wrong in some of his analysis. Onovo is double tongued and ironic in saying that we must accept our reality. He failed to see that this reality would need borrowing. Agreed that Buhari wasted some time in some of his appointments, and that the Budget(appropriation bill) is not the Bible. That point has already being overflogged. Onovo said that the CBN officially said that the 'directionlessness of the government' is hurting the economy. The Channels presenters simply asked him if they CBN truly said that. He was fumbling up and down. He doesn't seem to place much value on what he says, because several times when countered or asked to be elaborate, he was making excuses like "well maybe not those exact words". They asked him when the CBN say that, he was the one that said CBN OFFICIALLY said that. They asked for when and if the CBN said that. He started saying the media reported that. The interviewers said they didn't catch/hear that. He said maybe he will reference and send it to them. The Channels crew tried not to mislead the public, Onovo tried to mislead. He forgot that he is a stakeholder, being a former Presidential aspirant and that whatever he says people will pick. Instead of him to respect his age and status, he was trying to play revenge on the lady interviewer. If anything, she's the one who took him to the cleaners. He was asking her when and where Buhari was late in appointing people. She reminded him it was public and common knowledge, from the date of inauguration in May till November, many people can attest to it. Unlike his statement that CBN officially said the government is directionless. "The first concrete indication of a clue in direction was the budget", these were Onovo's words. Then he says we can infer the direction from the budget. These is contradictory to his earlier stance about directionlessness and the Channels presenters pointed this out to him. He started speaking grammar about budget of "ruination". He still continued attacking the female presenter, suggesting that maybe she will help Nigeria pay its debts. He made references to cutting recurrent expenditure but wasn't very practical. Everybody keeps saying that but don't say HOW. He talks about medical tourism/check up. It is the same opposition that will attack buhari of dictatorship and not practicing democracy if he says nobody must use government money for health expenses abroad. It is the same opposition that will shout if government sacks workers. He talks about others taking a cue from the FG. How many cues have they taken since Buhari and co halfed their salaries, declared their assets etc? He suggests that Buhari should dictate the number of assistants and workers office holders must have. This guy clearly doesn't know how democratic government works. You approve my money, you don't tell me who must work with me. The president cannot decide how many assistants Fashola must employ. Onovo makes a mistake by talking about borrowing 40% while only 30% is for capital expenditure. Has he forgotten that revenues dropped. Does commonsense not tell him that if you are not reducing salaries or sacking workers massively, if you are hoping to create employment and pay new workers, you definitely need to borrow? How will you not borrow when revenues have massively reduced and recurrent remains the same if not higher? He forgets about 1.4trillion for debt servicing. The presenters were talking about people voting for a change of government, since they all seemd to be in agreement that the past government did not dop much with high revenues and oil selling at $100 per barrel. Onovo turned it into political argument as APC change theme. He started talking about electoral malpractice, underage voting, no void vote, bad courts. All these are no excuse as the APC also suffered from the same thing. There was electoral malpractice both i the North and the South, there was bad court judgement both in the North and the South. Buhari lost at the courts several times. Onovo made it seem like the courts are dancing to Buhari's tune which is not so. |
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dis man no know economics at all.