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OLAADEGBU: What else have you got to say apart from your emotional outburst? Any sensible contributions?

mazaje: The fool said there is no other god except me. . .you know what the fool said. . .and you as a fool believed it. . .

OlaoChi: that's because your previous post was a silly statement
You should really stop playing that card it doesn't tell well

rudedough: I'm the Devil agreed and Jesus is the "master of the earth" but could you please explain this part of Jesus to us. You Christians have been avoiding this post I've re-posted about 5 times now.

"Peaceful Jesus" telling his Disciples that he is not any different from his father, he's not come to bring peace but war and he has come to cause a rift between a son and his father, daughter against her mother and destroy the family union.

Matthew 10:34-36
34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

Can Christians please explain this passage to me cos i was made to believe that Jesus came to give us life, peace, love, unity and eternal life.

mazaje: Yeah a foolish creator god that you can't prove its existence , right?. . .Hope you know that according to men are their silly superstitious beliefs there are many creator gods. . . .

peterphd: And this creator is Jewish and wants money even when he's not the oldest god in world history?

dareabiola98: Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed....(From the NIV Bible, Matthew 16:39)"

"So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing.  (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 26:44)"

"One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.  (From the NIV Bible, Luke 6:12)"
Matthew 26:36-44

36.  Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, "Sit here while I go over there and pray."
37.  He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled.
38.  Then he said to them, "My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me."
39.  Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
40.  Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. "Could you men not keep watch with me for one hour?" he asked Peter.
41.  "Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak."
42.  He went away a second time and prayed, "My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done."
43.  When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy.
44.  So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, SAYING THE SAME THING. Jesus said "no vain repetitions" in Prayers(Matthew 6:5-".  But how many times did Jesus pray over the same thing in such a small period of time?   3 times in Matthew 26:36-44, and endlessly in Luke 6:12. The bible portrays Jesus as a Man that needed God..He was troubled and persistent in prayer...How can he be God!....How can one unequivocal verse have much power over these.Or do you not read this bible.Pls pple...I'm not calling you to anything,All I want you to see is who Jesus truly was.

mazaje: Pls why do Nigerians get angry when you tell them you do not believe in god?. . .WHY?. . .

rudedough: Stop talking nonsense and making up excuses contrary to what was recorded in your Holy Bible. If Jesus was Master and all the big titles you all allude, why didn't he just create his own colt. Why steal someone's?

Go read that passage, then come back and tell us he was a master so he can take possession of people's colt with a command "The Lord needs it".

OlaoChi: So are saying a human starts reading an English dictionary thoroughly after finding out the English spoken is different from the English from the dictionary he then becomes a dog?

You seem not to have understanding, this dude was a Christian who got converted by the Bible

DrummaBoy: @Image123 and Rhymeyjohn

Mark Miwerds and Candour have gotten in touch with me privately about their delay in presenting their rebuttal. I believe ti has to do with some challenges Candour is having with internet connectivity, which he had spoken earlier about and which, hopefully, will be resolved very soon. I felt I should remind you and allay any worries you may have in that regards. I believe any moment from now they will be making their presentation.

Thank you for your understanding.

rudedough: Bro stop this handpicking of verses to sell a lie. A colt is a young horse within the ages range of 1 day to 4 years. A colt of 3-4 years can be ridden but this particular one Jesus rode on has never been ridden. A proof that it was a baby colt and the owner couldn't ride it because it was too young.

So cut the crap bro, nobody is buying your attempt to twist the context of the bible.

rudedough: It is very relevant bro. There is something called "Animal cruelty". How can Jesus of all people sit on a colt that even the owners have not ridden? The owners were gracious enough to let the colt develop before riding it but NO Jesus doesn't give a damn.

Bro tell yourself the truth for once. Your friend @seemylife is a die hard fan of Jesus and he is ready to lie and go to hell as long as it's about Jesus. I have caught him red handed with the oil still dripping from his hands trying to lie that the age of a colt is around 4 years meanwhile his source clearly said below 4 years. So yes age does matter a lot, cos you cannot put a weight of 50 kg on a 10 years old Child, that's inhuman.

Ever wonder how much Jesus who eats bread all the time would weigh?

rationalmind: Nothing is wrong with it. It was an honest answer. Thank you

rudedough: Sharrap there you lying follower of Christ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_(horse)
A colt is a male horse, usually below the age of four or not more than four years of age.

Did they say a colt must be 4 years old? Did you see where they wrote "USUALLY BELOW THE AGE OF 4?"

meanwhile the English dictionary says.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Colt
colt (klt)
n.
1. A young male horse.

Stop this game of twists bro, you can't continue living a lie man, you better put your life to better use before you regret it on your death bed.

rudedough: Typical Christian. They will call you a sinner, devil worshiper, agent of the devil, Satan, and what to try to demoralize you meanwhile they are the ones that have been lying about what was written clearly in their bible.

Image123 if you want a one-on-one discuss, please open a new thread and invite me. I will love to engage you in a religious discuss to proof to you according to your bible records that Satan is righteous and God is an unrepentant sinner that should be hanged and stoned to death, after which his body should be thoroughly burned and crushed, and the ashes thrown into the Bermuda triangle.

If you're in for a theoretical discuss, please get a new thread started ASAP.

rationalmind: Ooh, I can't remember running away from any thread. If I wan even run away, na you I go run for . Nothing I no go read for nairaland.

Anyway, to your response the master of the owner needs it, therefore there was no need asking him before taking it.

Thank you for your honesty, unlike your brother seemylife who is trying to lie for Jesus

rationalmind: Question is, why should they start untying the horse without telling the owner.

Please note that, it was even a case of if any one asks them why untying it. Then, they should give a response

Meaning, if no one challenges them, they can as well take it without the owners consent.

Common, Jesus is morally deficient. No amount of twisting will change that.

rudedough: Yes!! Let's start from there. There's no need to go around the tangent, i won't bend. Just please explain to us what the bible meant by "2 men untying someone's horse and taking it away even when the owners asked "why are you untying my horse" the 2 men commanded that the Lord needs it"

We really need to interpret that part of the bible. Maybe if you explain to me, i might consider following Christ.

rudedough: Are the apologist here already? Have they said:

1. Jesus did not steal the horse
2. Jesus did not commandeered the horse
3. Jesus did not borrow the horse

So why did Jesus untie someone's horse and took it away without consent?

Two (2) hefty men walked up to your horse and started untying it, and when you (the owners) asked. Why are you untying my horse? They told you "The Lord needs it".

The Lord na him get am? Na like so them dey take borrow horse in those days?
Is that not bullying to take possession of what does not belong to you?

Christians please explain to us what that passage mean as we Atheist don't have the "Spiritual eye glasses" to understand the bible.

Thank you.

dareabiola98: I didn't get the point ur trying to prove with the speech u gave above.The thread reads:....provide 1 verse from the bible where Jesus claimed to be God or where he asked people to worship him. SIMPLE!!!...u're the one changing the subject maybe u shud (brief with ur speeches cos I couldn't get the point u were trying to prove

dareabiola98: its either that Jesu in the bible was Lying or that God in the bible was Lying...some1 has to be...the angels bowed to Adam also as God commanded them.what does that make him

dareabiola98: I qouted above;Long before Jesus was born, God said to David (Psalm 2.7): “I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me (David), Thou art My son; this day have I begotten thee.” So David is also God’s begotten son, and he was before Jesus. You see the meaning of “son of God” is not literal but metaphorical.who's lying here...Beggoten has been changed to chosen in some versions of the bible...I don't know what ur trying to prove but all the above verses called pple Sons of God..So why is jesu's Sonship any different

OlaoChi: As I have read must atheist in the world were ones Christians who began reading the Bible

They start reading as Christians but end as atheist because they see nothing but lies in christianity

how is that hardening your mind against christianity? These people only start reading the Bible to learn more and hope to get closer to it's God only to find out there's nothing resourceful or reasonable in worshipping such a God, All this from the Bible

As the dude said "Christians don't read their bibles because if they did they wouldn't still be Christians"

There are over 1million people in rudedough's case who leave christianity after thorough reading of the Bible

dareabiola98: Psalm 82:6  "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' "
I think this 1 is enof

dareabiola98: many others were reffered to as God's Son in the bible.the problem I have with the term "Son" is just like I have with "Lord"...in ancient hebrew,leaders were called rabbis,a term used also for the creator..the translators of the bible just choose words and this has caused so much problem.If u can translate the words of jesus(if it still exists) back to aramaic,u'd see clearly that ur on a manifest error

Image123: duh, you're muslin. Do i really have time for these? Anyway, i heard that your holy book says you fellows should listen to us(believers) or so. Is that not true? Why are you disobeying that?

thehomer: Sorry you're too ignorant to discuss God's actions as written in the Bible with me. Good bye.

dareabiola98: Now you ask why Muslims are so inquisitive about Jesus...We ought to...We love Isa(as) more than u do...when u call some1 what he isn't(its blasphemy) and when u call him what he truly is(its praise)...We want to clear the wrong notions u have about our holy prophet...Because if u can't produce a verse where he claimed divinity...it shows ur liars...then I'll show you verses where he explicitly said he's been sent(abi who has the right to send God on an errand)...no 1...meaning there's a greater Power..and he's a messanger and slave to that power.