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Joagbaje:
It's 50th birthday

thank you very much jare Jo, that's why i like you. Don't mind that person that wants to mystify pastor Chris.

eh yah, nafdac number at last. perhaps appropriate at this point to say thank you zeus.

The issue is not really about where they met or meet , but understanding the purpose and the scriptures. Entering a place is not the same as having access/right to a place. The access or right is what the devil lost. You may liken it to political leaders gathering at the Aso villa or the white house. They all belong to different parties and worldviews. but they don't all have the same rights and access at everytime. and they don'tall live there. Appearing before God I'd compulsory, everybody will appear before God one time or the other, and during the Judgement. But not everybody will live with God. Many will come, mo gbo mo ya, not all will dwell. Are you prepared and qualified to dwell or you want to come visiting like satan?

Image123:
no be wrong address bi this? abi pastorChris sef dey nLand?
anyway, how old pls?

Jo and co, help me out na. I cam in piece.

you want names? kunle is a name that readily comes in.

Is it not better to simply enjoy the benefits of His death than seeking to know why? do you want to know everything?

no be wrong address bi this? abi pastorChris sef dey nLand?
anyway, how old pls?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15602816
firefly, judgement day is coming. And there is NO respect of persons.

Enigma:
Et tu Brute?

He was the one I mentioned to you recently; glad you saw my point then though.

i recall, thank you

italo:
I think John the Baptist would have eaten bread but nowhere near as much as other men. And I drink what I think Jesus drank.

Can you now tell us what Jesus drank that made them call him a drunkard?

And tell us about the sour wine he drank on the cross.

And what the people were drinking during the Lord's supper in 1Cor 11:17-22 that was making them drunk.

italo,are you mazaje in disguise or are you drunk again? So, Jesus said in Luke7 that John neither came eating BREAD nor drinking wine, but YOU think that John would have eaten bread? interesting. well, I also await mazaje's response, except you're yoked together of course.

4reigningqueen:
is this the man

if that's the man in question, he's fake. he even looks fake already na

What exactly is this man's doctrine? does he believe or preach righteousness, holiness? Does he fear God? Does he know that Jesus Christian is coming soon? all this one Jo's just crying his real because of miracle is nonsense. Anything on repentance, what stuff is he made of?

mazaje:
What was Jesus drinking when the people called him a drunkard?. . .According to the story, Jesus said he[b] feasts and drinks[/b] and for that the people called him[b] a glutton and a drunkard[/b], the question is what was he drinking when the people called him a drunkard. . .It seems you guys don't want to touch it at all. . . . .

you're not answering my questions either, ever think of that? here's another, are you drinking what you think Jesus drank?

tell me something, do people exactly think that John did not eat bread?
It is not for kings, it is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes strong drink.
it's amazing people still imagine that the king or kings and the prince ofpeace to be foolish?

gotizsata:
@Image123
if you believe in witchcraft, then it is true for you, it does not make it true.

please keep that in mind.

come on, lets switch this debate one level higher, stop dragging us into just weak, meaningless quibbles, if you have something challenging, thought provoking, please use this are a forum to explore that. Otherwise, spamming us with cheap, poorly thought ideas is just a waste of everyones time, including yours.

engage us

If you need an engagement, get a spouse or get a job. Witchcraft exists, you can drink pure water to that.

My Lord and my God, am i still alive?

mazaje:
Even you don't know whether Jesus existed or not. . you only BELIEVE he existed and that's where it ends. . It begins and ends with BELIEF. . .

But i know mr, i know. I believed and then i saw. If you can believe, you too can see. Tell me, what do you think Jesus drank, Heineken or Star extra lager?

OLAADEGBU:
Does he even believe that Jesus exists?  I wonder why these atheists worry their heads on what they don't believe in?

He knows that Jesus exists bro.

OLAADEGBU:
Does he even believe that Jesus exists? I wonder why these atheists worry their heads on what they don't believe in?

He knows that Jesus exists bro.

mazaje:
Your dishonesty is out for all to see. . .Again what was Jesus drinking when the people called him drunkard?. . .

Interesting, what do you think? Heineken or Star extra lager? Jesus loves you, smile mazaje.

Felt should add one or two things to the 'subscription'. Many good contributions have been made though, that must be said. So on fasting;
Fasting is abstinence. Basically abstinence from food, se.x, and other bodily pleasures like watching movies, tweeting and co. It could go further to abstinence from water, human communication, physical work etc. People fast everywhere and in different religions. Fasting includes prayer by default, but just in case you not sure or you doing it wrongly or on assumption, we can say 'fasting and prayer' or 'prayer and fasting'. It's same in the Bible. Okay, fasting weakens the flesh and to an extent, the soul. With the flash weakened, it becomes easier to operate on the spiritual plane/realm. So folks if you need spiritual power, you fast, that's a great unmissable shortcut. Unfortunately, fasting can be abused, and also it's not only God that dwells in the spiritual realm. Evil spirits are also there, and evil powers can also be gotten by fasting, so you see, sinners also fast for these things. False preachers and false miracle people also fast for these things. The spiritual realm network becomes clearer, as it were, when you fast. So, to my people, the shidren of God, we ought to fast, fasting is good for us and should not be abused or misused. Advantages of fasting has already been mentioned, it connects us with God and power, it exposes us in examination. Fasting can show you how strong your flesh is, it can bring up hidden anger, impatience, jealousy, envy and lusts and we can take these also to the cross of Christ for purging. Fasting is also good for our physical health etc etc etc.
  Now, different people fast for different purposes. Not all fasts are to God, not all fasts are acceptable to God. Not all fasts are needed. We should not misuse fasting. Some people fast for everything, that's not needed as a christian. Some people waste their fasts praying for destruction of other people's lives, or for simple requests that do not need fast. e.g fasting for God's forgiveness of your sins, fasting for money, fasting for earthly things. These are like opening your door with an atomic bomb when the key's right in your pocket. Fasting is serious business, and should be for spiritual virtues like fruits of the spirit missing in your life, spiritual gifts, real long standing problems that you do not seem to have faith for. Please note that fasting is not a way of twisting God's hand or forcing Him to help you. Fasting is good practice and we should all practice it. Okay, to some scripture.
  Fasting can be misused or not directed to God.
Daniel 6:18  Then the king went to his palace, and passed the night fasting: neither were instruments of music brought before him: and his sleep went from him.
Matthew 15:32  Then Jesus called his disciples unto him, and said, I have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days, and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way.
Zech 7:5  Speak unto all the people of the land, and to the priests, saying, When ye fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh month, even those seventy years, did ye at all fast unto me, even to me?
 Fasting does not armtwist God. We should fast for the right reasons and not harm ourselves

2Sa 12:16  David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.
2Sa 12:17  And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.

Any believer can fast, man or woman, young or old, all the Jews fasted. It's not only a pastor or church worker or when a program is coming up that we should fast. It's said that the Jews usually fast at least once every week.

Esther 4:16  Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish.
 Jesus fasted, the early christians also fasted.

Psalm 109:24  My knees are weak through fasting; and my flesh faileth of fatness.

Acts 14:23  And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

2Co 6:4  But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
2Co 6:5  In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labors, in watchings, in fastings;
There's nothing wrong with a fasting event or a proclaimed fast, but we should beware of being religious or hypocritical about it.
Act 27:9  Now when much time was spent, and when sailing was now dangerous, because the fast was now already past, Paul admonished them.

Jeremiah 36:6  Therefore go thou, and read in the roll, which thou hast written from my mouth, the words of the LORD in the ears of the people in the LORD's house upon the fasting day: and also thou shalt read them in the ears of all Judah that come out of their cities.

Fasting etiquettes.

Mat 6:16  Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:17  But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;
Mat 6:18  That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.
 There no need to look sick or indisposed while fasting. Carry a cheerful countenance and be normal, no need to look overspiritual as well. Look good, take care of your body and please do pray, don't just go on an hunger strike.

Also,

Isa 58:3  Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labors.
Don't fast to the air or to other gods. The period of fasting is a time of separation and setting yourself apart as much as lies in you. Try to concentrate on it an shelve other activities for the meantime if possible.

Isa 58:4  Behold, y[b]e fast for strife and debate, and to smite[/b] with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.
Isa 58:5  Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?
Don't fast to kill your neighbor or mother-in-law. Fast for more important things.

Isa 58:6  Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
Isa 58:7  Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou[b] hide not thyself from thine own flesh? [/b]
Isa 58:8  Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rearward.
Isa 58:9  Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
Fast with a clean hand and a pure heart. If possible, give the meal(s) you missed to the less privilege perhaps in monetary form. help people, think about others, intercede for them, destroy the works of the devil, improve your marriage, and your relationships. And on and on. these are some of the things to note on fasting,

Ah, leave that one, hin no consign you.

Na lager quote Bible without brake like this?

Good thread Jo, good thread. Subscribing as they say.

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Are you exactly quoting that to say Paul flattered himself?

Jesus is the Son of God, qed. God born am, do you now belief?

newmi:
Can you stop evading the question, the question l asked is not about the superiority or inferiority of Paul's teachings. Assume you need a recap:
". . .but what wrong would it do if the name of the apostle Paul
in mentioned in the success story, l don' t think it would change anything or would it"
pls would it change anything to recognize the achievements of the apostle Paul through the ministry of God's Spirit

Already answered your question, just that you don't want that answer. Again, i'll answer and say yes, it would be carnal and unwarranted. All scripture is profitable for doctrine, reproof, godliness, instruction in righteousness, not for elevation of man and giving of titles, sainthoods and national awards.

^thank you.

OLAADEGBU:
You have a good point there. The jury is still out on that. I just perused the website you suggested some time ago and realised a well balanced study on whether Jesus Christ by His teaching and example sanction the use of fermented wine or not.

http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/wine_in_the_bible/4.html

Heeeey, bro. Thanks for rebringing up that link, reminiscent. People get memory for nl sha!

lol at bosom 1v5 and bosom 3v4, took some secs to figure that out. Guess the write up is muslin or coming from that backdrop. It's grossly a disunderstanding/malunderstanding that looks much like a lot of misunderstanding.

OP
That's why you should have long leg and mouth like your pastor, so that you too can go to heaven and come back with return ticket.