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@thehomer
You say humane treatments are preferable to inhumane. The point is what is humane. Humane is relative among humans. Like i said, someone says she'll rather die than marry person A(death is more humane to her in this situation). Humans differ, your standard of good humane judgement may be another's nightmare. And i also said God is not human, He is God. That means He can set godly judgements, after His own standards, not after your whims and caprices.
On Israelites killing people and so on, if you've truly read the Bible as you claimed, you know God doesn't require that of us again. Life is in stages and classes. What you do in stage 1 may not be repeated in stage 2.

@thehomer
my post is not about whether God made some people a certain way or did not. I left that for you to answer after you've answered the questions that i asked which you quoted.
my position is that homosexuality is a deficiency, an abnormality, a pitiable state. No one should stay in it giving excuses of 'i was born that way, it's my right, why did God create me that way'etc.

KunleOshob:
@image
I no dey vex, as usual I am just standing for undiluted biblical truth. It is glaring from the passage under reference that olaadegbu added his bias into scripture.

Undiluted indeed, you sef no sure se, that's why you bold the thing. You don't really need an understanding on moses' wife death right now, so i'll skip.

KunleOshob:
@iluvnet
My contribution would be 1 peter 5:1-5 this scripture details how the relationship btw the leadership of the church and the congregation should be. I would have posted the whole scripture but I am posting from my phone at the moment. Anybody who as access to an online bible should feel free to post the scripture for the benefit of all.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Kunle, you should post more often from your phone. Sincerely, that's impressive.

Enigma
No mind our greek loving friends and their obsession for something from Mars Hill.

Kuns, you don dey vex be that? Be sober.

Na grammar dey confuse people. Everyone practices one religion or the other.

thehomer:
So you have not really answered anything instead you raised more questions on the reasons not to believe that God had anything to do with any of the people you mentioned.

Can you be more specific?
And how do my 'questions' provide more reasons to think God's not involved with some set of people?
The trend of the OP is that since/if God created homosexuals, then He should not see it as a wrong practice, and that homos should care less, seeing according to your flawed logic, it's God's will. The point now is should poor people and sick people take on such fatalism? Should they revel in poverty as their God-ordained right? Should siamese twins or sickle-cell patients not seek a cure since 'God created it'? When you're done answering these, you won't need my answers. God gave you a brain, yes.

March 24       2Chronicles 24v8
And at the king's commandment they made a chest, and set it without at the gate of the house of the Lord.

   The bible makes us to understand that God is love. God is not just loving, He is love. Anyone who has God living in him/her or who lives/abides in God must love. If you don't love, you don't know God. The demonstration of love is giving. God so loved that He gave. Our love also should be SO that we give. Some people have more poverty in them than love. They say, or their proponents say "they are too poor to give". But not God, not a godly person, not a child of God.
Jesus Christ, our perfect example, became poor for us, yet He gave. In God's kingdom ways, giving is a way of life, it's like breathing. If you're not breathing, you are not alive! In Today's passage, the king had told God's children to give but they didn't. So he commanded. Sometimes, when a person is not breathing normally, you come in and start the process; you resuscitate, force in the air until he begins to breathe normal again. That's what happened in this passage. After the commandment, giving started again as a normal way of life. They made a chest. It's not just the size of your congregation's offering box you know. This one is Royal, National, Big, Commanding chest.
And they set it at the gate of the house of the Lord. It's the priority. You know, when something is not important, you say "let's get inside before we discuss". But this one meets you right at the gate. And incase 'offering time' has passed, and you hear a command during the sermon to give, as you're going out, you give right away. Make up, MAKE UP your mind to give. Don't wait for forever for an impression to give. 'Give' is a command, a demonstration of love.

poweredcom:
Well the same Bible that says every man born of a woman has sinned and the same bible nai dey confuse us again, well after all Na white man weapon to decieve the world that the bible, The best kept secret, the greatest conspiracy

Can you show anyone what part of the Bible says this above? You've ended up deceiving yourself and lying again. You need Jesus Christ.

@thehomer
Now on 'significant truths', you've jumped rope here. Let me kindly lead you back. You were talking about other books that you felt should be in the Bible and are not included, remember? And you pointed me to some links you saw as useful, ring a bell? And i quoted some scriptures as 'litmus test', following? And then i said there are no significant truths that may be in THESE books that were missing from the Bible, or that could not be gotten through study and meditating on scriptures. Are you still here? The Bible is not a geology textbook, it is the map for man to Heaven, and the manual for man on earth. Everything necessary for man to get to Heaven is in it. Everything every man needs on earth to function well is in it. You do away with this manual, you have no guarantee/warranty. You spoil you spoil be that, hell beckons.

Why should one believe that the Bible is God's Word? One, the Bible testifies that it is God's Word. The Bible continuously says it is God's Word. Jesus Christ said the Bible is God's Word. Other reasons to believe the Bible include the power of the Bible, its numerous fulfilled prophecies, its amazing preservation(it's the oldest yet most popular book on earth), it is above other books given it's insight into human nature, translations, it's continual freshness, it's inspiration and changing effect on human life regardless of status.
God subjected His Word to human frailty and it passed. It's wonderful unity is an unparalled miracle. Human ideologies change from place to place, time to time and person to person. God used so many persons at various times(some thousands of years apart) and different places and countries to couple His Word. Humans are generally insatiable. Some other religious books claim to have dropped from Heaven to one man with minimal translations and councils. Do you believe those books?

@thehomer
Faith IS NOT amenable to evidence. I agreed to that earlier. Faith itself is evidence, i quoted a scripture passage to that effect. To explain further in a way you may understand, faith is greater than evidence, above evidence. i'm trying to explain to you in a dimension you might understand, that's why i'm using some analogies. It's like 'determination'. Determination may not have an 'empirical value'. But through determination, a weak person might achieve something above evident expectation. A 1kg man may lift a load of 10kg through determination, not physics, or beat up a man weighing 50kg.
I assume all your lineage are not atheists. Not all your colleagues at work, or superiors past or present are all atheists. The point is not whether i know you, but that some of this people that believe God are actually intelligent, honourable, sociable enough. It's not illiteracy or poverty or low IQ or lack of exposure that made them believe in God. They're not all senseless and ignorant, some have seen and known more than you before making wise decisions to serve God.

Why should you believe the Bible? Because it's the map to Heaven. There's more to life than time. Asides from the numerous benefits one can tap from belief in God here on earth, one has to plan for the future. The future is MOST important. The future is beyond the 70year old, 100year old mark. The future is after death, there's an eternity greater than 100years to live. Anyone who wants that future with God in Heaven has to yield/submit to God's choosing criteria. The Bible details that and equips any one who's interested.
You can't assert that people don't know simply because some occasionally change religion. Atheists like you also occasionally change beliefs, do i assert that you don't know as well? Change is constant in earth, people change views on every matter on earth, it doesn't necessarily invalidate their former beliefs. There's an english word called 'deception'.

Does the Bible IN FULL consider working on saturdays a crime? Does the Bible in full consider fornication as punishable by death? Have you truly read the Bible or do i need to quote? Are you neglecting some part of scripture especially the new testament? I told you why i don't believe other books more than the Bible. I told you there's eternal life in the Bible, there's the answers to the major questions to the purpose of life, the history of man and of his Creator. I have clean potable water and its working fine for my health. I've seen the effect of polluted water on others, i've introduced them to cleaner water and seen dramatic positive change in their liveS, i'm not obliged to go take the polluted water to know more for myself. That's the christian story compared to any other way.

thehomer:
Yes. They're more humane than stoning people to death. Remember that some of what we're talking about are not even crimes and there are prisons and hospitals for those that cannot be rehabilitated.

Well i told you one man's poison is another's meat. Someone says "i'll rather die than marry so and so". Human choice vary. Your standards of humane or more humane are not the same with every other. Also, you are human, God's not. He makes the rule, if He calls it a crime, it is. Your opinion is just what it is, your opinion.

thehomer:
Did you notice that you did not answer why God also made the other groups of humans that you mentioned above?

Did you notice that i included question markS? i'm not writing an examination where question X is compulsory, i'm showing you(the OP and co) reason why logic to continue in the folly of homosexuality, using God as a prop, is a fallacy.

Kuns, hope you've not 'been on bacchus' like my friend Olaadegbu might ask you? She(tpiah) said

it's highly
unlikely because the
royal classes of egypt
didnt practice
polygamy.

Not the opposite. And i was particular about the 'rampant' part of your post, not moses' family life. Get sober, don't let the devourer mess with you lol.

Which one do you crave? Their surname, first name, nickname, middle name or maiden name?

Kuns don come again with false braggado, rampant ko ramboxers ni.

^he can hardly stop. There's a big void in his life that he has to fill.

Why did God make homosexuals? Very funny question. Ask, why did God make poor people, or sickle-cell patients, or those twin babies born with their body parts joined to one another, or people with defects? Do we leave this people and let them be? Does it make their situation normal, or do we try to improve it or correct it, or pray about it, or resolve it with a lot of science research and medicine?

@JeSoul
Welcome o, how're you now? The joy of the Lord is your strength

@thehomer
How come you're still asking about how God said? you want to revel in sensational stuff ko? you want to hear me say God whispered it to me in a 12hour vision or something? i quoted it, how did you fail to see it? The Bible is God's Word. I quoted different parts saying 'God's Word will not pass away'. That's the most natural common 'litmus test'. God's Word cannot be hindered or limited by man. Nothing can happen on earth out of His control. i know that sentence may upset you, but it's the truth. You don't understand it because you don't see it in the right perspective. That's why i said earlier that there's bigger fish to fry, a grand scheme, that CAN be understood by meditating on and studying God's Word. i've read about the compilation of the Bible, the history and co. All were orchestrated by God, nothing balled out of His control or caught Him unawares. All things worked together for good like in the case of Joseph in the bible.
I didn't say that there are no significant truths in the other books. i said there are no significant truths that were MISSING in the bible. If there are, seeing you are vast in these books, please point out just one or two new significant truths there, and the book you found it. thanks

Fire, water and electricity are natural i.e physical, faith is spiritual. But they're all useful, and can be abused or misused. You say faith is not amenable to evidence? Faith is evidence itself(hebrews 11v1). PEOPLE testify daily in large numbers of the effect of faith. It's a lazy attitude to conclude that they are all deluded, this are people of whom some are your parents, or your parent's friends, or your teacher, or your colleague at work, or mate in school who's proven over time to be as good/brilliant as or even better than you are over terms and semesters. Maybe, just maybe they've operated in a realm you've not yet operated.

No they don't actually know this. They only think they do because they currently believe in the Bible.

You're making a very poor god already. Who are you to assert what others know and don't know. They only think they know, but you know right?

Why don't you get it, i don't need to look around for anything. It's like a child who has all he needs, he's not going up and down tasting the neighbours' foods or something. There's no cause to, it's plain ridiculous IMO. By the way, i believe the Bible and it says the ONLY way to God is Jesus. i believe that and i have all that i need with Jesus. If you have truly read the Bible as you claimed, you'll have seen that. And you'll have seen the switch in approach from old testament to new testament. Maybe you should reread the Bible instead.

@thehomer
You say there're some things that should not be considered crime? There's an english word called 'STANDARD'. There are measurement standards, quality standards, safety standards etc. Look up God's standards. He's got standards, so you adjust to His standards. If there no standards, there'll be no order or sanity. Not every one likes to pay tax, not every one likes democracy, not every one likes to have his own wife, not every one wants to spend the same currency, or use the metre rule, or pay for electricity. There have to be standards and discipline. You either shape in or shape out(punishment).
I don't 'regard' the quran, not because i already believe the Bible. i didn't always believe the Bible, but thank God i found it, and i'm satisfied with. I find all that i need there, that's why i don't worry to look outside. Most people who 'trust' in other books or no books(like in your case) are always peeping from time to time into the Bible, like there's something missing that they can't point, a sort of void. BTW, i know many who have read/studied/even loved other books but who later found the bible home.

@thehomer
So you class jails, community service and fines as humane punishment. One man's poison is another's meat anyway, some people may still see your preferences as cruel. Plus, what would you do if you were god enough to have knowledge that an offender's case was hopeless and that a fine will not repent him? Would you still fine him, or just let him be? Sorry i'll answer you in tiny bits, thank you

[b]March 22] Luke 22v39
And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him.
For every living thing, we all have the special gift of twenty-four equal hours. And as the Bible asserts, there's time for everything. To truly get the best from life, one has to be quite detailed with time. If there's no time frame for an achievement, there will be no true joy or purpose. That's why we count years, months, weeks, days and hours. Greater efficiency usually even demands for minutes and seconds and microseconds.
Imagine if there were no time frame for your education, marriage or childbirth, you may just discover that one day you are eighty years old. You've been waking and sleeping and relatively achieving nothing. To get the best from TIME, good habits must be formed and maintained. The little things we do are what develop into habits. The seeming insignificant 'its' are what later become 'bits'. 'A bit' here and 'a bit' there and soon enough we have habits.
Jesus had habits, we are told in Today's passage that His disciples also followed Him. There was a place that He usually went, there was a thing that He usually did. Some christians are lazy and disorganised, they have no good habits and show poor planning. And then they'll say "as the spirit leads", what a backup! They have no plan, no goal, no focus, just as the spirit leads. The Holy Spirit led Jesus, but He developed good habits. What spirit is leading you. No definite tied plan to evangelise, no time to read, to pray, even to sleep. Just a lazy sanctimonious 'as the spirit leads. Let God truly guide you daily. There's time for everything.

On who's to say what book is scripture or not, i thought i already mentioned it. It's God that says. The test of scripture is found in it's standing despite all odds. It cannot pass away. No decree can stop it, no council, no political party, nothing can 'hinder it'. That those books were not included shows it's not scripture. We have the final product now. There was a time when it was unfinished. There was a time when it was just 5books, there was a time when there was no new testament. Now call things are ready.
Not every book written by a prophet is scripture. For example 2Samuel 1 talks of the book of Jasher and there are other books mentioned in scripture. They may be good books, they may be written by prophets. There's no significant truth that you may find in them that's missing in the Bible. There's nothing of importance in any of those books that you can't get by meditation or revelation from the Bible. There's eternal life in the Bible. There's power, there's freedom, there's love, there's Jesus. i'm not greedy, neither am i a glutton, don't know about you. i've not touched a tenth of the depth of the riches of the Bible, why am i worried about the remaining books of moses, or the gospel of gaddaffi or apocrypha and co. it's no reason for me.

There are varying levels of motivation, the Bible brings the best form. On the grand scheme, those who study the Bible know that there's more to life and the reality of an afterlife far exceeding this life. The knowledge is able to put you/one in better perspective irrespective of what's happening today. It gives hope where others are hopeless.
Faith is a gift. It can be mis-used, it can be abused, it can be put to right use. Fire is useful, water is useful, electricity is useful, wind is useful. Anything can be abused or mis-used. Faith has great potential, can not be discarded, and it's most important if one wants to be well placed at least in the afterlife.