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And facebook is not on the internet? Or are you saying pictures would convince you? Is Jo not a ce member? Don't they put pictures of 'miracles/testimonies' on their magazines? Do you believe them? If you really want to investigate, call the person, organise to meet him/them. Ask for medicals, neighbours report and whatever detail. Then come and start making all the claims you want, depending on what you got after credible investigation or keep quiet and stop the witch hunt.
Till then, you're just all words no action. The exact thing you've accused Jo of. Any sane christian knows that unbelief is not righteousness

Very funny thread. Unbelievers are always joined together in unbelief.

So much of unbelief sha. Unbelief is not, and will not be righteousness no matter how we reason it. i don't know Jo, neither do i make anything of what he's claimed. But for those who find it so life-changing, you asked for proof, he gave you a phone number and name. AT LEAST, follow up on the number, call or something, arrange to meet the party/parties involved and then do proper verifications before dismissing the story. It's so easy and quite lazy to just not believe, and to point fingers. More especially when we have so many people using 'cheat browsing' or free MByte to say anything awoof. Use your money, do investigation, catch them red-handed or something, all this oshofree blackmanmentality is so 'depressing'.

There are two types of real christians. The carnal christian and the spiritual christian. We're all supposed to be spiritual christians btw. One easy fleshly indicator is the mouth i.e food and talk.

@toluxa1
While i agree with the most of what you posted, the context of that passage is so clear, and the scriptures cannot be broken.
Mark 13v32. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, NOT THE ANGELS which are IN HEAVEN, neither THE SON, but the Father.
It's clear He added angels in Heaven, and even Himself while on earth. It's not just talking about sinners. Our visions, dreams, trances, revelations and convictions should be guided by a MORE SURE Word of prophecy, which is the Bible. If Jesus tarries, may 11 will come and go, we'll be here. Two things i'm sure of. One Jesus is coming soon. Two it's not may 11.

God is no thing!

We can't run away from the flesh except we die. We can overcome the flesh. We need the help of God, no doubt. And when i say 'we', i mean those that have received eternal life. And we don't give room to the flesh to be too strong.

He gave you a number, why not do your 'investigation' on that number first before coming here to condemn him? so many lazy jealous unbelievers these days. It's unfortunate Jo and co don't know how to ignore baseless accusations sha.

@thehomer
You should have simply asked me to explain it to you. The passage talks of cleansing rites that WERE to be observed AFTER leprosy was healed or cured. i see you've conveniently ignored the other parts of the post, that's quite wise of you.
Why should someone not refer to people's words and thoughts, yet you find it RIGHT to refer to links and webpages, is this not double standards?

@thehomer

Please what scientific work are you quoting? Could you please present a link? It appears that you are simply making absurd claims and attributing them to science. This is a bad tactic.

i even thought you knew. Well, check HERE and learn at your convenience for free.
So, Please show us where in Genesis, the Bible says human beings were around 'for ONLY 6000 years', thank you.

No one portrays them as though it happened last night. Usually documentaries try to present you with analogies of the time scales involved. Besides, the fact that we were not present doesn't mean that we cannot know what happened.

YOU do! You claim it like you saw it, whereas These things are conjectures, hypotheses, suggestions, that's the point i'm trying to make obvious to you.

The "word" of God is actually not surer due to the internal inconsistencies and other things that have been shown. In other cases, it's just plain wrong.

2Peter 1:19  We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
Psalm 119:89  Forever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

My goodness now you're really showing your misunderstanding. How can the earth go closer to the moon?

By deviation, remember?

Do you not realize that the moon and the earth are bound by gravitational forces?

poor you, even father grandpa Job knew all these 'big deals'
Job 38:10  And broke up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
The earth would not leave its orbits, the waters would not flood the earth, the planet venus would not come bumping into earth because God has set it so, He has put limits and 'doors' to enforce it. i like the cute name anyway, "gravitational forces"

Also, your claim that if the earth's distance varied by as much as the distance between the earth and the moon is really laughable. Do you know that the earth's orbit is elliptical and it varies by more than 4 million km? Compare this to the distance to the moon which is about 384,000 km. Wow. Just go and read your geography book.

vary vary? i thought this was what i said? "If they earth deviated/went closer to the moon, the whole earth would be flooded ending human life."  What should be laughable is that, in the nebular hypothesis, planets in the solar system used to exchange position but now they don't. Keep laughing, it's good for your health.

Also, I addressed this clay reference that you're making above in another thread that both of us posted on. Please stop repeating the same errors over and over again.

spare me sir. There's no hiding or doubt that God had revealed early to man that the earth had the globe shape. It's unmistakable in the Word, the idea's obvious and the revelation divine. Maybe if they didn't have words like geoid, elliptical and co, doesn't take away that the revelation was there.
Job 38:1  Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 38:4  Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:6  Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:9  When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddling band for it,
Job 38:14  It is turned as clay to the sea[/b]l; and they stand as a garment.
Isaiah 40:22  It is he that sitteth upon [b]the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
The 'swaddle' in that same chapter gives an impression of wrapping ROUND. the 'turned' is an indication of the earth's rotation. And the 'circle' in Isaiah is an out of this world icing in the cake.

You have chosen to quote mine. Here's the page with the relevant part below.

i thought you were the one i was discussing with? You said we can observe stars forming and getting annihilated regularly through a telescope, i said no we cannot. The wiki link prove we cannot observe stars forming and getting annihilated regularly through a telescope. Have been highlighting that word all along, but it seemed you were more obssessed with your link than anything else. Let me show you again from that link,

Observers slowly came to recognize a class of stars that undergo long-term periodic fluctuations in luminosity.
In 1885, a nova-like outburst was observed in the direction of the Andromeda galaxy, In 1917, George W. Ritchey measured the distance to the Andromeda galaxy
they discovered 14 supernovae over a period of two years.

meanwhile, supernova is supposed to be the star annihilation part, what about the star formation.

Are you not familiar with the concept that a single word can have multiple meanings depending on the context? I presented you with the definition that suited the context to which I was referring.

Go and learn the meaning of the word 'hypocrisy'. Do you remember when we checked on 'faith' and recently 'slavery'? Are you familiar with the concept that a sentence can have multiple meanings?

So here faith is a medium and a sense organ?
And here faith is evidence? Please can you point me to any English Language dictionary that supports any of these proposals of yours?

Learn in context to note the difference between a definition and additional explanation. You gave me a link, recall? THIS.

Now this is an inability to read. Here let me quote myself on what I said. Please read it carefully this time. I must be prescient. I even warned of this in that post yet you misquoted me. Maybe I should start making prophesies.
Have you not realized that a humane punishment is a punishment and an inhumane punishment is also a punishment? Please do yourself a favour and actually read what I post.

so you're not a genius afterall. In Mathematics, it's called 'TRANSITIVE PROPERTY', repeat it until it sticks. It says when a=b, and b=c, then a=c. (QED and clap for me)
a humane punishment is a punishment , an inhumane punishment is also a punishment, So humane punishment is inhumane punishment.
You were the one trying to prove that weakness was weakness, and foolishness was foolishness, but ended up saying punishment is punishment.

If a book that has sold the most copies is divine, why is an album that has sold the most copies not divine? According to you  divinity of objects is decided in a major part by the number of sales.

It's not divine because it won't last. It's just for a short period. It's not number one for years, it's not even an undisputed number one. the Bible is number one till tomorrow and it's spread over countries and peoples. i didn't say popularity was a major part, stop twisting my words. I said it's popularity was an undeniable, undisputable fact, and that it was ONE of the reasons why i believed it to be divine. Are you forgetful, or dishonestly selective?

No I don't but you can look them up.

Where?

How are you supposed to go about doing that? Is it by taking a drug or by playing with animal blood?

None of the above. What the scriptures record is divine healing. See the case of Moses, Miriam and Naaman.

Matthew 8:2  And, behold, there came a leper and worshiped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
Mat 8:3  And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.
Mat 8:4  And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, show thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

No you didn't. I'm pointing out that that was a more important factor that was involved in shaping the world. Look them up. I can't do all your work for you. Yes they are important concepts and we do not find them in the Bible.

hmm, democracy, capitalism and free enquiry. you've failed to show me the concepts involved in this three terms, and how they're the best for the world. it's one thing for something to shape the world or history. It's another for it to be the best for the world. Obviously they're not the best as the world is still in fighting, sorrow, pain, loss, meltdown and so forth. i await your clear concepts, i'll show you from the Bible how best practises and attitudes seen in scripture have influenced any good seen in civilization from those concepts.

So a True Bible is one with 66 books? According to you the Bibles with apocryphal texts are false Bibles? You are also ignoring the points I raised with you previously that you have tried to ignore on the important texts that were ignored. Judaism and Islam also present alternative themes centered around similar characters.

Don't you know? Go to any bookstore and get a good bible, it contains 66books. that's the Bible i've been extolling the virtues all this while na, not the ones only found in museums, cults and links. the true Word is not bound by limitations. we've talked on this and i even quoted scriptures, remember?

By this reasoning, the Qur'an the Torah and many other religious texts are special or out of the ordinary.

OF COURSE! You thought they were ordinary books? they are spiritual. there are many magical books as well and incantations that are not ordinary. You think the devil is ordinary?  That doesn't make them divine anyway? The Bible is divine.

Why did he not warn Adam who was naive?

Who says Adam was naive. i think he was more intelligent/shrewd than you may ever be.

Of course you were not because it was just a myth that you have chosen to hold strongly over and above other myths.

What are you talking of? i said " i was not dwelling on discussing about man having a spirit or heart, different from his brain, remember?"

No. What I'm saying is that people and animal lived in these other places but Nebuchadnezzer did not rule over them. Whether or not he was aware of them is irrelevant because if he did not rule over them, then the Bible was wrong.

Well, you may have to prove it, it's up to you. the Bible said it, i believe it and that settles it for me. But seeing you feel otherwise, you're free to prove that people lived in those places and that they were not under Nebuchadnezzar's government.

This is another major problem with people who wish to believe on faith. Even when the evidence is right before their eyes, they still deny it. If you call that an accurate prophesy, then I wonder what it will take for a prophesy to be inaccurate because even the usual beginning of the year prophesies made by various religious people (Christians, pagans, weird religions, etc) are more accurate than this.

You could be more specific as to how the prophecy is false and the fulfilment inaccurate. Quote the verses and say what happened in the stead of the interpretation given, thanks.
You're free to believe in Jesus, he said If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.. you've shown a lot of thirst and faith, what you need to do is come to Jesus. He'll save you.

@thehomer

Actually, I'm not the only one that believes that with regards to certain crimes, A is better than B. You seem to agree with me too but have decided not to say so. Human values, standards and judgements have been getting better unlike God's values and judgements which have been static and atrocious.

Why for instance have you turned a blind eye on the option of forgiving the repentant sinner which God does and is still doing? When it's convenient you'll say God's values are static, when it's not you'll say God has changed. Which levels na, i tire for you o?
Luke 9:56  For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
1Timothy 1:15  This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

You have simply evaded the question which is how does God's standard guide us? Do you have examples of this? So if according to God's standard, one should go about killing people of other tribes and keeping their young female children, is this an appropriate standard to follow?

God's standard is found in His word, the Holy Bible from Genesis to Revelation. The Bible shows us what is righteous and what is unrighteous. It's the guiding light for us as humans. Humans have differing views. I can say the way is Right, you may say the way is Left. We may both be wrong. But God is omniscience and has created us. If He says the way is UP, that's guidance, and it'll be wisdom to follow. God has given a universal law to all men and for all time. He says Love your neighbour as yourself. His standard is the best to follow.
Matthew 22:39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Matthew 5:44  But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Sorry but God is not the boss. If you think he is, go out and beg your "boss" to heal some of the amputees around. Or you can call on God to send his bill for rent.

Sorry, i don't think god is the boss, I know that He is the Boss. He gives us life and can take it when He chooses to. He gives us the Sun, the moon and the rain. He heals us of sicknesses as well when we call on Him. I wonder the connection between atheists, amputees and evolution, it's so close. Well god can do anything and everything. He's done greater things than healing amputee, not sure if you'd believe on Him if He healed an amputee btw. He created the whole universe, He parted the sea, He raised the dead, He raises us from spiritual death into life. What greater miracle can be above these? He showed prophet Ezekiel how dry bones were to be joined together, made alive and raised as a great army. He touched a man whose ear had been cut off and healed him, he healed the lame. There's nothing too hard for God.
Jeremiah 32:17 Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee:

No you are lying. When I'm speaking of slavery, I'm speaking of the first definition there which also includes the regard of a person as property.

it's strange the way you love to ignore others, and only choose what seems to suit your fantasies and notions.

This shows that you have not read your Bible properly. Please read Exodus 21:4 - 6 then read Leviticus 25:44 - 46

i said that i didn't understand what you said/meant, not that i didn't understand a Bible passage, and thanks for been more specific than your usual self. i've read the passages of which you speak. You ought to know by now that the world is not in a perfect state. Infact, God is the first to say so. And He's said also that it can't be perfect until Jesus comes to reign. There'll continue to be different classes of people, there'll be poor people, sick people, wicked people and so on. There has to be control measures until the cure comes, and the control measures for having servants is what is presented in those two passages you quoted. You can't rule out boss and subordinate, employer and employee, master and servant, leader and follower etc. Today, when people mention slavery(they hypocritically wouldn't mention servant), we're quick to think of the way the white took africans as slaves and maltreated them and all that. What you fail to understand is that not all servants are treated like that. For one reason or the other, people till date still volunteer massively to be under others. That's why for example we have a lot of unemployed people, they all wish to work under someone whatever title you call it. Many nigerians queue up daily at the embassies, and would rather go and 'slave' in America or someplace than stay here in nigeria. Some servants are enjoying more than some children, more than some wives. We have examples of many servants in the Bible, majority of them do not depict the picture you seek to paint. Almost every good one in scripture was a servant one way or the other btw.
Genesis 24:2  And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh:
Exodus 33:11  And the LORD spoke unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
Number 11:28  And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them.
Ruth 2:5  Then said Boaz unto his servant that was set over the reapers, Whose damsel is this?
1Kings 16:9  And his servant Zimri, captain of half his chariots, conspired against him, as he was in Tirzah, drinking himself drunk in the house of Arza steward of his house in Tirzah
And so many more examples like Elisha the servant of Elijah, and the disciples the servants of Christ, even Jesus Himself was a servant. After Christ's first coming, what does he expect in our Master to servant relationships, see below.
Matthew 20:27  And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
Luke 7:3  And when he heard of Jesus, he sent unto him the elders of the Jews, beseeching him that he would come and heal his servant
1Corinthians 7:22  For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant
Colossians 4:1  Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven.

Were the Canaanites and the Perizzites plants or animals? What are you trying to justify?

No, they were not. they were under divine judgement, and the executors in this case were the Israelites. it could easily have been fire and brimestone like in Sodom, or an angel, or famine, or pestilence, or death, or satan. their cup of iniquity was full and they were punished by God, it was not a personal matter between a man and his neighbour.
Genesis 15:16  But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
Gen 15:18  In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Gen 15:19  The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
Gen 15:20  And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
Gen 15:21  And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
Do not let your own cup of sin get full before you repent, you're being weighed. Repent and receive God's grace, pardon and forgiveness.

So according to you, if something was not declared as a crime according to the international courts, then it's not a crime?

Where there's no law, there's no sin. Plus it was judgement.

Your second statement shows a dangerous form of thinking. So if God asked you to kill your neighbour who happened to be a Hindu, will you kill him? Since according to you your God is the law giver not his.

Here's God's law, so that we are clear on this.
Matthew 19:19  Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
1Timothy 2:3  For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
1Timothy 2:4  Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2Peter 3:9  The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

When I say human system, I'm talking about the universal declaration of human rights. It is generally accepted. Actually, it's the worst of humanity that we often find in the Bible. Think of it. Genocide, murder, Inbreeding, violation, human sacrifice etc. It's all there in your Bible.

Peace, true peace, love, real love, joy, righteousness are what God wants from us, and what we can all get from His word.

Please when is it legal to own wives and daughters? I just pointed out to you that owning people is illegal so who are these Nigerians that own other people? And please name three governments that own their citizens.

We have cultures and marriages in nigeria where the children are owned by the parents and cannot be released to an outsider without proper payment and observance of customs. We have marriages in nigeria where the husband demonstrates total ownership of the wife. he dictates where she goes and when, if she works or not and where, etc. Do you live in nigeria?

Wow. This is just a horrible song and dance that you're performing here. I pointed out to you a clear case of genocide and child abuse ordered by God and you're talking about Jesus bringing peace? Do you not know that it was your God that ordered these very same atrocities? Please stop justifying such barbaric behaviour.

It's not dance and song but a portrayal of the 'horrible' lifestyle you live. A life without Jesus Christ is a life in crises and chaos. i'm telling you the truth, you'll continue to spill out questions and questions all your life, except you have Jesus the answer. Nothing can truly satisfy you except Him. even if all your questions were well answered one by one, multitudes of others will still continue to arise. What is child abuse, you tried to paint a pedophilic picture, talking about virgins, priests, and ages. you're trying to paint the picture that's often painted in islam, and i showed you examples of young slaves in scriptures who all lived decent lives, and even later became great people in their society.

No it wasn't. It was a terrible comparison. We don't compare physical objects to ethical behaviour. Go back and read what you wrote.

Suit yourself if it makes you glad. btw, who are 'we'? as in "We don't compare". We over here, we can compare physical objects and behaviour. We do that to explain and express. Man relates more with what he can see, and most times the unseen can be more easily grasped with reference to descriptions and comparison.
WE talk of 'peace like a river', 'joy like a fountain', 'Spirit like a dove', 'Jesus the Rock', 'cruel as the grave'. 'heart of stone', 'the word lie fire' etc.

So probabilities are unscientific? It seems you're yet to learn of how particles behave in a probabilistic fashion. Sorry but there are numerous committed and definite facts that lead to that conclusion e.g the facts of gravity and of the nuclear fusion of the sun.
It seems you do not understand how important and accurate simulations can be. I'll advice you to look it up.
I never said anything about scientists not believing in God. In fact that should give you a pause with the outrageous claims you're making.

Probabilities are part of unscientific, what you are laying down is what you say is responsible for the earth. Your claim is laid on SO MUCH supposition, probability and hypothesis. so full of probabilities, suppositions and hypothesis
Probability: something likely to happen: something that is likely to happen or exist
Supposition: something that it is suggested might be true, or that is accepted as true on the basis of some evidence but without proof
Hypothesis: theory needing investigation: a tentative explanation for a phenomenon, used as a basis for further investigation
you don't beat your chest at that and talk of "the reason why the solar system is the way it currently is"

As we draw closer to the remembrance/celebration of Christ's crucifixion, death and resurrection, may i remind you that He died for everybody.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man
Jesus Christ did not come to die for Himself. he didn't die for one generation, or for one nation. He died for the whole world. Just as Adam sinned and once you're born of Adam, you become a sinner automatically by inheritance. The same way as Jesus died for us all, you become righteous and your sins paid for the moment you're born of God i.e born again. It's necessary for you to be born to be a sinner, and it's also necessary for you to be born again/born of God for you to be righteous. Jesus Christ came to take our place in judgement. He came to be judged/punished spirit, soul and body, so that we'll not be judged/punished again by God. It was expedient that He should possess spirit, soul and body because man possesses spirit, soul and body. God is a Spirit, the angels are ministering spirits. Animals do not possess spirit i.e the life that God breathed on Adam. Jesus Christ came in the flesh as the seed of David and suffered judgement in His body.
We're told that His visage was so marred beyond recognition. As many were astonished at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men (Isaiah 52v14). He was beaten to pulp, for me and for you. he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.(Isaiah 53). They beat Him so much that if you saw Him, you might spit, They hid their faces from Him. Even with these, He was still nailed. The hands must be nailed, for they love to sin. The mouth must suffer, for it loves to sin. The feet must be pierced, for they love to sin. The brow must be crowned with a thorny crown, for it too loves to sin. All that the human body needed to suffer was executed upon His body. Thus He suffered physically even to death. He knew no peace, the chastisement of our peace was upon Him.

@olaadegbu
i'm seeing things oh my brother. i still do pray that God will not give them up, but open their eyes to the Light.
1Timothy 6:20  O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Timothy 6:21  Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
May God's grace continue to be with you, and keep you from erring. Amen.

@thehomer

I've pointed out to you more than once that the entire verse is about leprosy so I don't have to present the entire thing in bold. If you're unable to understand this, then I'll simply conclude that you either really do not know or you simply wish to waste time trying to be evasive.

Ofcourse, i know that Leviticus 13 &14 talk about leprosy. The question is "where does it point to the cure/treatment?" You asked for the biblical cure for leprosy, and i showed you that it is faith in God, i gave you examples in the New testament and Old testament. You said NO, the cure is in Leviticus, Okay show us this cure.

No not Leviticus just the short passage I presented to you.

Highlight, color, bolden the verse or part that says this is the cure/treatment for leprosy, or that says "do this and your leprosy will be cured". You can't show it because it's not there. Be humble enough to accept that you were wrong.

No I won't do that until we resolve this because you are setting a bad precedent with what you're attempting to do here. Besides, you need to go and study your Bible properly. I shouldn't be the one pointing out to you things in your Bible that you should know.

i know the place/S. i want to be sure if you know the place, or have read the place. If you can explain what the place means.

@thehomer
you want to explain leviticus to you, ah ah ah ah, i won't. Your pride will hinder you. PLEASE bold a verse there that says cure or treatment for leprosy, thanks again in advance.
Don't worry, i've not 4gotten our other thread, don't divert from this important subject of leprosy that affects you. i know you're troubled, relax, relax, God is in control.
Can you kindly quote that passage in the Bible that talks bout four corners?

@martian
Oui, four cardinal points are actually four corners. Even the 'uneducated' people that isaiah wrote to knew what he communicated. It's a shame on you in your attempt to twist the Bible to say that the earth is flat shaped. When it clearly said circle. You can't spin that one you say circle different from sphere. Is the earth a sphere? Does matthew tell you that the earth is flat? One doesn't have to be savant to know ss1 geography. You just have to be serious and stay in class. That the passage says devil shows Him the kingdomS of the earth and their glory, it shows it was a vision. He could as well have been shown in the valley or wilderness. Nebuchadnezar was shown the kingdoms on his bed. Stop trying to force your dreams into scripture.

thehomer:
Please take the time and read it. It's what the ritual is about. If you disagree, then please tell me what you understood from the passage because the entire passage deals with leprosy treatment and I see no need to present the entire passage in bold.


The four cardinal points do not refer to corners. If you think they do, please present the coordinates.

I still dey laugh o, i wan enter light years. PLEASE, bold that verse that says this is the cure/treatment for leprosy, thank you. May God deliver you from pride.
This is an embarrassment to our education system. Are you telling me that you can't comprehend that passage in Isaiah that so clearly speaks of the north,south, east and west as the four corners of the earth? You need God more than i first thought.
@enigma
You dey mind unbelievers? Nothing is simple until the G.O of atheists say so.

I'll stick with Jesus. He said no man knows the day.

thehomer:
What do you understand from this reference?


Four corners of the earth? Please what are the coordinates for two of the diagonals of this quadrilateral?

I dey laugh in A.Us, Kindly paste and bold the particular verse if it truly exists, thank you again.
Why do you choose to take 'the fall' for martian, is he your 'bro'? Don't disappoint me further. Update yourself on wiki, check 4 cardinal points, thank you.

Obey your parents, you said they're godly right? Have faith in God, not in your fasting. God can answer your request if you ask in faith and persevere. If fasting affects your health, please stop at least for now. Have faith in God, your miracle is on the way

@thehomer
Thanks for the Bible reference. I've read Leviticus 14, i didn't see anywhere where there's a cure for leprosy. Kindly paste and bold the particular verse if it truly exists, thank you again.
@martian
So you were not in geography class in ss1. Every tom and harry seems to now be aware of the four corners of the earth. You need an update fast, get essential geography 1.

thehomer:
Do you know what it advices you to do? According to the Bible, you're advised to kill some birds and spray their blood all over the place. Now tell me how does this cure leprosy?
By the way, leprosy has been successfully treated using a scientifically made drug called dapsone to be used in combination with some other drugs. So if you or anyone you know contracts leprosy, please go to your doctor and get a prescription for the drugs.

Please thehomer, can you quote where the Bible states the above as the cure for leprosy. You can quote it and make it bold. i've searched and didn't find it, pls i want to learn of this Bible cure you speak of, thank you.

@thehomer

He ruled wherever there were humans, animal and birds. Please read your own quote and don't deny yourself and your Bible. Read Dan 2:38.

Daniel 2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.
If there were children of men in South Africa, China, Japan, Australia, North America and South America that Nebuchadnezzar was aware of, then it's 100% safe to say that he ruled there. I believe that's what you implied?

Of course. You're still making stuff up. It seems you wish to redefine what an empire is. Just force whatever you have to fit your preconceived "prophesy".

i see you could not fault the tallying fulfillment of the prophecy. It's not my fault that the prophecy is so accurate. it's divine, that's one reason why the Bible is to be believed as divine. The book of Daniel contains many more prophecies, so also the other books of Scripture. Call it empire, kingdom, government, country, realm, domain, even estate. They all still fit the fulfilled prophecy. The passage didn't even call it an empire? i felt it was more common and may help your research to rather refer to the Babylonian empire, instead of the other words like 'kingdom' or 'government'. Also, the fact that the image was made of different materials (gold, silver, brass, iron, clay) should suggest to you that the different empires/kingdoms would operate in different strengths and methods.

@thehomer

I'll also like to see your scientific evidence for the claim of humans being around for only 10,000 years (4000 years longer than Genesis says).

Science says the most recent time is the holocene epoch(estimated to be about 11500 years ago) when 'modern humans evolved'. That 'modern human' term refers to our human race? i'm not oblivious to the ape evolution, 'lucy' thing and all, i trace myself to Adam not some 'lucy'. I know you'll have to do some research to confirm in case you do not know of these things, no problem. But we all have Bible, and mine also has Genesis. Please show us where in Genesis, the Bible says human beings were around 'for ONLY 6000 years', thank you.

I also noticed how you underline large numbers. It just goes to show how much you really do not understand. I'll simply advice you to further educate yourself and try to find out the reasons behind those numbers. You need to avoid thinking that things you do not understand are automatically false.

My exact reasons for putting up the age of man! you don't understand what i'm saying. It's not about man been 200years old, or 20000years old, or 2million years old. It's about how the processes of what happened before you were born, before anyone was born, are been portrayed as if it happened last night on CNN live. These things are conjectures, hypotheses, suggestions, that's the point i'm trying to make obvious to you. i understand and studied these things, i'm not here on whether it's false or true. i'm telling you the bases/foundations are not that solid. The Word of God is surer.

You have still failed to answer my questions. I asked how much deviation would end human life? And why do you think that if the earth were not tilted, humans would not survive? A 90º tilt is significant when we consider that the current tilt is about 23º.
I'm quite conversant enough with geography and astronomy to know that compared to our current distance from the sun, the distance from earth to Venus or to Mars is not little.

Go and read geography. If they earth deviated/went closer to the moon, the whole earth would be flooded ending human life. If the earth reduced it's speed of rotation, the plants would be exposed to the sun for longer periods, will be scorched and die Animals will suffer and die of thirst, humans will not eat again. If the earth deviated say 45⁰, the poles will melt and flood the earth and so on and forth. If you do not agree on this things, sorry i can't help you here. Maybe you'll need some geography textbooks and all.

John 3:12  If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
The point was and is that there's a power that holds/sustains the earth, the solar system, even the whole universe. It is the power of God, not chance, not a big bang. there's a God that has set the earth in its orbit and it can not of it's own accord wander off that orbit.
Job 38:1  Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 38:4  Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:6  Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:9  When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddling band for it,
Job 38:10  And broke up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
Job 38:11  And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Job 38:14  It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

Isaiah 40:21  Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
Isaiah 40:22  It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

The quote was right above my statement. Here, you are now outright denying what has been seen with a telescope.

And what is that thing that has been seen by a telescope that i'm denying? I'll be good to remind you AGAIN that i said "No one can observe stars forming and getting annihilated regularly through a telescope" the site said the below, YES or NO?

Supernova explosion that formed Gum Nebula MOST LIKELY occured 10000 - 20000 years ago.
MAY HAVE ALSO POSSIBLY BEEN
Additional UNCONFIRMED supernova events.
only 7100 light years from the earth.
The most recent supernova seen in the milky way galaxy was in 1604
A galaxy may experience one exploding star in a century

AGAIN, you said people "stars form and get annihilated regularly". I rest my case on this.

Why would I? Do you actually expect me to refer to a collection of myths for the definition of words currently used in English? So faith is not a really good line to follow.

thehomer, you skipped six definitions, SIX. You chose to suit your bias in a bid to prove that you don't have faith. Love it or hate it, EVERY MAN has faith. God gave you faith.
Romans 12:3  For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

There is a difference between not knowing and not finding evidence to support a conclusion. If you say the earth is flat, you are wrong. If you do not know the shape, then you do not know the shape. If people have looked and do not find evidence for a certain entity yet others claim it is there without providing evidence or presenting evidence that is not good, then there is no reason to conclude that this entity is actually present. This is irrespective of the number of claimants.

they've provided it, it's just that you've failed to perceive it. Faith is the medium, the sense organ to the spiritual, and ofcourse to God.

Hebrews 11:6  But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God MUST believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
In that realm, believing is seeing. Billions believe and see that there's a God. You too can believe, you have faith. you've demonstrated your faith/belief in science and in figures like TRILLIONS of years and 7100 LIGHT YEARS away. God's not that far.
Act 17:27  That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28  For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

What demonstrable evidence has been shown by these billions for this Creator?

Faith, the EVIDENCE of things not seen, remember?

Have you not realized that a humane punishment is a punishment and an inhumane punishment is also a punishment? Please do yourself a favour and actually read what I post.

So humane punishment is inhumane punishment, you're a genius, love.

Again popularity does not make it divine otherwise Michael Jackson's albums are divine. After all, they've sold more than gospel albums. Besides, I hope you realize that a lot of those new testament copies are like those that I presented to you that actually paint very different stories.

Compare michael jackson's album selling to the Word, the Word. Don't lose precious focus here. Thank God for michael's death that sort of resurged his popularity. he was already waning even when still alive. Can you measure with a book more than 2000years old and still waxing strong[b]ER[/b]. Compare the translations, the followership, the nations, and generations.

Isaiah 6:3  And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

Preservation? Actually, there are books older than the Bible available. Are they divine too?

Do you have them with you?

Tell me. What does it say about curing leprosy?

It says that God can cure leprosy, and did cure leprosy both in the old and new testament.

I hope you realize that the principle of democracy is nowhere to be found in the Bible.

Sorry, did i say it was?

Neither is an important concept like capitalism present in the Bible. So, you may consider the influence of the Bible less than the influence of democracy, capitalism and free inquiry.

What's capitalism again? i expect the average person to know this if it's so important. What's free inquiry? Are these the important concepts in the world that you do not find in the Bible? you almost scared me.

This is just you making up stuff. Who told you that there are 66 books? Who says they're one theme? Have you forgotten the parent religion Judaism and the other religion Islam?

take out your Bible and count the number of books. You should find 66books. If they are not, please go to the nearest bookshop and purchase a good Bible. The theme of the Bible is Jesus Christ, the salvation of the world, have you actually read the whole Bible? I've not forgotten 'Judaism', don't understand your mention of islam.

What's the relevance?

the relevance is that people do not read the same book everyday for years, a lifetime, except the book is special or out of the ordinary. Is there any book that you have that you read every day?

You automatically absolve God of all blame. Why did he not teach man about the devil? Of course don't dwell on it. Run from it.

the Bible talks so much about the devil, what more do you want to hear about him, his birthday? i said i was not dwelling on discussing about man having a spirit or heart, different from his brain, remember? And i gave my reasons, there's nothing to run away from, i'm here by God's grace.
In case you're referring to Adam, who says Adam was not aware of the devil? Adam was perfectly aware of his actions. We're not told of all of Adam's discussions and fellowship with God, are we. We're simply given a history of why we are the way we are. And i love God for been so proactive in the writings. He shows us the way forward, the escape route, and every one of us can take that Route. That route is Jesus Christ.

Also, thehomer, the biblical cure for leprosy has been clearly stated. If you have an extra cure that we don't know of, please show it. Lepers are dying.

The context is that you're trying to entangle him in his talk. You're saying judge not and then asking him to.

Thanks for sharing bro.
God is a very present help in time of need.

okayyyy

Why are you asking him about 'what happens to those that die without hearing about Christ' and in the same breath asking 'who are you to judge'?
Na wa o

lagerwhenindoubt:
OLAADEGBU Seriously I am starting to think you draw this comic strips yourself, the way you have one for every scenario is freaking me out

hahahaha, very funny

Sinners sef don dey bear 'bro'. na wa o

reggae for jesus

THEHOMER!
I said come to school o, i didn't say come and fight. Don't abuse my free scholarship. Sit down and learn like a good student before throwing up questions per sentence.
On your leprosy concerns, just curious, are you . ? Anyway sorry o, but i think this word 'tzaraath' may help you. Look it up on our 'beloved' wiki. The biblical cure for leprosy is faith in God. God cured Naaman, Moses, Miriam, and the lepers in the new testament. Like i'll advise you, try to understand what you read in the Bible, and have the right perspective, not some wrong preconceived notion.