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MaxInDHouse:
Definitions that will soon be UPDATED like all others no be humans talk am?

Definitions don't update. Its the language that is.
The definitions don't change.
Learn English language. I suggest you begin from kindergarten

preciousee17:
I wish I could argue.
But remember I told you that I won't put much effort.
Theists avoid what exactly?
Should we quote the whole chapter so it looks like we want to retell a story you already know?
Us saying that Balaam was a diviner is 'insanely insane'? But you confirm it too?
Who said Yahweh didn't work with the heathens me?
But I just said that the Bible says that the diviners reply always come from God...
Did I say Balaam doesn't obey God?

What's even the basis of your argument?
You left the point I made and started accusing me for so many things at once.

"Woe to them! For they have run riotously in the way of Cain, and have abandoned themselves for the sake of gain [it offers them, following] the error of Balaam, and have perished in rebellion [like that] of Korah! [Gen. 4:3-8; Num. 16; 22-24.]"
Jude 1:11 AMPC

If you can't see Balaam's error there, leave it please, you're right.

Lets cut through the bullshit. Please answer these questions with a yes or no.
Did Balaam disobey Yahweh?
If yes, how did he do it?
If he didn't, why did Yahweh threaten him
Thank you

MaxInDHouse:
Those words aren't found in the Bible so those using it still need to UPDATE the definitions.
As for what the Bible says such words doesn't apply anywhere around the Bible God!

This is what you posted…

All powerful? YES! Our God can do whatever He purpose and nothing can stop Him.
Omnipotent? NO! There are many things our God can't do because whatever is not Holy He can't do it.
[b]All loving? YES! [/b]Whatever our God does is motivated by LOVE.
All merciful? YES! Whoever turns back from his or her evil deeds our God will show them mercy.

I suspect you dont even know what omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient means.
But I would post them(since you obviously skipped kindergarten)

Omnipotent
All powerful, unlimited power

Omnibenevolent
All merciful/loving/kind

Omniscient
All knowing

They should start English classes in that Kingdom Hall of yours. Y'all really need it.

MaxInDHouse:
That you're never going to get from me!

There's YES and NO answers to the same question so if you detests explanation then do whatever pleases you. I have told you that nobody is answerable to you on this we are here to reason not just read and swallow hook line and sinker without substantiating.

All powerful? YES! Our God can do whatever He purpose and nothing can stop Him.
Omnipotent? NO! There are many things our God can't do because whatever is not Holy He can't do it.
All loving? YES! Whatever our God does is motivated by LOVE.
All merciful? YES! Whoever turns back from his or her evil deeds our God will show them mercy.
Omni-benevolent? NO! He will not always put up with evildoers because He purposely create this planet for obedient mankind to enjoy lasting happiness and peace therefore He will surely destroy unrepentant evildoers.

Have you checked up the meanings of omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent? Please do that and revert. I can't teach you everything

blogginguncle1:
According to the article, there are actual evidence for God's existence, but the proof is in the person of the Christ. It also reveals a great event which is the resurrection.

It's no bait, I recommend giving it a read. It would only take a few minutes.

Wait! So the evidence of Yahweh's existence is Christ (whose existence we still can't verify)?
Oh Flying Spaghetti Monster! How did u create such beings like these?

cornelboy:
Ask you questions again in fewer and precise words with a verse or two. I'll definitely reply you.

What do you understand by this?
Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite

johnw47:
most dum pigdog (see verse), as if i would be talking God's word to you a atheist dope,
surely you have seen that i don't give gold to a no test-is atheist or your fellow girlie false jw's
you so dum, aren't you, of course

Mat_7:6  "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

but i do put you in your place and kick your bum, don't i dummy


don't you go fretting though dum dum, your corny boy gave you a like

Ok. No p

johnw47:
God didn't create evil satan corny boy, God created him the brightest of all the holy angels,
after his fall satan became one of his names

you have said God doesn't know everything and now you say God even knew adam would disobey Him,
see how dum and confused you are, post after post

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

You're the confused one here. If Yahweh is omniscient, he should have known Satan would rebel and cause people to sin, would he?

MaxInDHouse:
Potency in the case of omni-potent has to do with ability to do anything whether good or evil but Abraham challenged God saying:
it's unthinkable of God to do what is wrong! Genesis 18:25

Benevolence in the case of omni-benevolence has to do with ever tolerable regarding what is evil but Habakkuk under inspiration said:

Your eyes are too pure to look on what is evil, And you cannot tolerate wickedness. Why, then, do you tolerate the treacherous And keep silent when a wicked man swallows up someone more righteous than he is? Habakkuk 1:13

So from the two verses above it's clear that He can't be omni-potent neither omni-benevolent!

Lol. So Yahweh isn't all powerful and all loving/merciful? Please I need a yes or no answer. Not those passages that don't relate to the topic. Thank you

cornelboy:
You do that and I'll reply you

Just take the first verse and reply it. Your dodging antics won't work

preciousee17:
It depends on what you want to find in the Bible, truly, whatever you want to hear, I could force a definition for you. It's wrong.

Here's what to do, read the whole Numbers 22 for context. I'll highlight some points where you'll need to reason out.

First of all, the Bible says that Balaam was a diviner, he knew his work.
Second, the Bible also says that the diviner does all his things but the Lord presents the answers what He Wills (good or bad, true or false).
Thirdly, the Lord sees the heart, and the intents of the heart.

So while reading Numbers 22, take note of verse 7-8,
“[7] And the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed with the rewards of divination in their hand; and they came unto Balaam, and spake unto him the words of Balak.
[8] And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the LORD shall speak unto me : and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam.”

From the things in bold, you can see that people came to see a diviner with their fees, the diviner told them to wait that he'll reply them when God speaks.
Remember, he's a diviner.
Should we expect that he also went and waited for God to speak or he went and inquired and waited for a sure reply. Remember again, a diviner does divinations, not just to sit around after collecting the fees.
Same statement repeats in verse 19.

From another perspective, look at Jude 1:11 and report your findings.

1. I noticed all the theists responding on this Numbers 22 carefully avoided talking about the events that happened there. Instead they say insanely inane stuff like 'Balaam was a diviner' etc, as if Yahweh does not work with heathens. Look at Jacob. A twister, a schemer, a thief, a deceiver. Yes, all of those things and yet a man chosen by Yahweh, whose name he will change into one of the most famous in the world – Israel.
Yes, Balaam was a diviner but he chose to obey Yahweh on this occasion. You people just ignored that fact. So all your talk doesn't make sense. And nowhere in that chapter was it recorded that he divined on his own. In fact Yahweh was the one talking to him constantly like a buddy.
2. Yes I looked at the Jude verse. It talked about Balaam's error. What was his error in that Numbers 22?

johnw47:
good your bored

but i'm kicking your bum dope, and not getting bored

Ok, baby girl

johnw47:
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorn bushes under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


you atheist lie like false jw's, u have much in common

you started con-test but have no test-is

you atheist think you have no god, but you do:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Ok. Think up of another rebuttal. This particular one is getting boring

cornelboy:
God is timeless

God The Universe is timeless

cornelboy:
How did you know the universe came by chance?

How did you know the universe Yahweh came by chance?

cornelboy:
One at a time.

Quit dodging. You can take one topic at a time

cornelboy:
One at a time.

Ypu can take it one point at a time. Quit dodging

MaxInDHouse:
Of course not because God is none of those things nah!

That's interesting. So Yahweh isn't all powerful or all merciful?
Lol. These JWs…

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ if the word "OMNISCIENT" didn't appear in the Bible then you can't force it there each person will rather stick to his interpretation!

Are the words Omnibenevolent and omnipotent in the Bible? Yes or no. Please don't beat around the bush

cornelboy:
I have already answered you. God knows everything in the universe he created. He has great expertise in that.

When it comes to our choice and the outcome of things happening in the world today, he doesn't know because he doesn't pay attention to them.
But he can know and accurately predict the future if he needs or wants to.

He can read anybody's mind and know what the person is about to do. He doesn't do that spontaneously and continuously.
And he cannot control it because of the free will he gave us.

1. Actually if you can read and write, its explicitly stated by these verses that Yahweh knows everything. Even Isaiah said he knows everything from the beginning to the end.
What do you understand by everything?
They even used the word infinite. Meaning he knows. There is nothing like he chooses not to know. In fact no bible verse says he chooses not to know about our actions. None. The mothafucker knows every damn thing that happens!
And he does that spontaneously and continuously, thus they used the word 'Infinite' . He even knows the actions before they happen, then how would he choose not to know those actions? Do you and your fellow JW cretards even understand plain and simple English?
Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:4
Even before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O Lord, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Psalm 147:4
He counts the number of the stars;
He gives names to all of them.

Hebrews 4:13
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.


Psalm 139:1-4
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

Psalm 44:21
Would not God find this out?
For He knows the secrets of the heart.

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard?
The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth
Does not become weary or tired.
His understanding is inscrutable.


Isaiah 46:9-10
“Remember the former things long past,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;

Psalm 139:1-3
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

1 Kings 8:39
then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men,

Acts 1:24
And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen

2. The issue of free will is another scam.
If I told you, "Hey, don't go to school today, if you do I'll beat you to death. Is that free will?"

cornelboy:
How did you not know this?

He who alleges must prove. You said Yahweh created something. How did u know it was created and also how do u know it was Yahweh that actually created it and not Allah or Thor

cornelboy:
You have nothing to offer.
What good knowledge could come from someone that believes everything comes by chance. How could I trust your explanation that might have come by chance?

Well, actually you believe the same thing. You believe Yahweh came from chance too, since he wasn't created

cornelboy:
Lol what's this?
The universe and everything was started by God. Your question is invalid.

How do you know this?

cornelboy:
What's knowledge?

Merriam-Webster

1
a
(1)
: the fact or condition of knowing something with familiarity gained through experience or association
(2)
: acquaintance with or understanding of a science, art, or technique
b
(1)
: the fact or condition of being aware of something
(2)
: the range of one's information or understanding
answered to the best of my knowledge
c
: the circumstance or condition of apprehending truth or fact through reasoning : COGNITION
d
: the fact or condition of having information or of being learned

… and I wanna add, it means totality of all things, in this our context

cornelboy:
Really? You are asking me these?
Why should the universe be here all along?
Your question is totally invalid.

Really? You are asking me these?
Why should the universe Yahweh be here all along?
Your question is totally invalid

cornelboy:
Lol.
There was a day I was trying to explain to an atheist on Facebook that hell fire isn't real that hell is simply the grave. This guy started using the Bible to show me that it's real and he doesn't even believe in hell fire. He later started insulting me haha.

Just like I'm trying to explain the bible to you folks here and you still come up short.

cornelboy:
None of the verses say God sees and knows everything happening spontaneously and continuously all at once.
God won't feed himself with the evil going on in the world today.
He's more concerned about his people and the kingdom.

Oh yes, they do. All the verses say Yahweh sees everything spontaneously and continuously.
Lemme oblige you and repost those verses again. Maybe you're dyslexic like your bro, Max. Maybe being a JW turns one dyslexic. Who knows.

Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:4
Even before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O Lord, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Psalm 147:4
He counts the number of the stars;
He gives names to all of them.

Hebrews 4:13
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.


Psalm 139:1-4
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

Psalm 44:21
Would not God find this out?
For He knows the secrets of the heart.

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard?
The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth
Does not become weary or tired.
His understanding is inscrutable.


Isaiah 46:9-10
“Remember the former things long past,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;

Psalm 139:1-3
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

1 Kings 8:39
then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men,

Acts 1:24
And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen

What does Psalms mean by His understanding is infinite. What do you understand by the word 'infinite'?

In 1st John, the verse stated Yahweh knows all things. It didn't say he knows only about his creations. Even the other Psalms says before you utter a word, Yahweh knows it all, from what you're about to say or do(everything). Your whole anatomy, the stars etc are all laid bare(as stated by the other verses). He even knows the secret of our hearts, said Psalms 44. In fact every of your actions is noted. In fact, in Isaiah, Yahweh himself(not any prophets) stated he knows the beginning of the world to the end. Even Isaiah 46:9-10 says he sees the future.
There is no limitations of his knowledge anywhere else. The only limitations comes from you and your gang with Max Da Maniac.
Its unfortunate its an atheist that should explain the bible to a theist like a JW. Yahweh must be shaking his head in bemusement.

cornelboy:
Oh I see. Your reasoning is so low 🤦🏾‍♂️
Some supernatural being was here all along without beginning and he created us to dominate the earth. We are the works of his hands.

He's the source of everything. There have to be a source.

The universe, creation, nature and everything is far more bigger than your tiny brain. It's like comparing a drop of water to an Ocean.

You're here asking where he came from really?
When I say nothing can't come from nothing, I was talking about that universe and life. God is the source.

Cool. So Yahweh was here all along, right? So what stops the universe from being here all along? After all there is no evidence it was created

MaxInDHouse:
Nowhere in all these verses is "OMNISCIENT" mentioned!

So you should know that something is wrong with your interpretation.

Instead of quoting countless verses as directed by your white supremacists ATHEISTS do your own homework and pick just two or three you feel no believer can explain then present it and leave the rest to me.
Know that our understanding doesn't mean you must accept but a presentation of our own interpretation of what you quoted.

Lol
1. Maybe you skipped kindergarten(which is highly possible considering your comprehension issues) but I learned the definition of omniscient. This is the definition
knowing everything
There was no mention of the words omnipotent or omnibenevolent in the bible. But you use those to attribute Yahweh don't you? Those words were later connotations that came up as language grew. They simply mean all powerful and all merciful, respectively. And those later 2 words all powerful and all merciful are replete in the Bible. Does it mean the words omnipotent and omnibenevolent are wrong? No.
Like I said, do your kindergarten. Learn Words and Synonyms and revert

2. Coming from a black man that receives his orders and instructions from 8 bald men in the US, this post of yours reeks of stupidity and ignorance at its finest.
And just so you know, there is no atheist Holy book or Bible. We get our morals from our conscience. No atheist would tell the other how to live his or her life, no matter how highly placed in the society he or she is. And definitely no atheist is a white supremacist. How you got that information, I wouldnt know. Maybe your Kingdom Hall pastor told you that just like they told you cholesterol is related to asthma and masturbators have mood swings. Lol

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you're misconstruing everything and it's obvious you don't want to know the truth.

No verse tells you God is omniscient, He knows everything about His own program from start to finish but as regards what human will choose to do regarding righteousness He doesn't know.

That's why He told them:

‘“As surely as I am alive,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, “I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that someone wicked changes his way and keeps living. Turn back, turn back from your bad ways, for why should you die, O house of Israel?”’ Ezekiel 33:11

So man has the freewill to do good or evil just as Balaam did!

Lemme oblige you and repost those verses again. Maybe you're dyslexic.

Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:4
Even before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O Lord, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Psalm 147:4
He counts the number of the stars;
He gives names to all of them.

Hebrews 4:13
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.


Psalm 139:1-4
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

Psalm 44:21
Would not God find this out?
For He knows the secrets of the heart.

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard?
The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth
Does not become weary or tired.
His understanding is inscrutable.


Isaiah 46:9-10
“Remember the former things long past,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;

Psalm 139:1-3
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

1 Kings 8:39
then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men,

Acts 1:24
And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen

What does Psalms mean by His understanding is infinite. What do you understand by the word 'infinite'?

In 1st John, the verse stated Yahweh knows all things. It didn't say he knows only about his creations. Even the other Psalms says before you utter a word, Yahweh knows it all, from what you're about to say or do(everything). Your whole anatomy, the stars etc are all laid bare(as stated by the other verses). He even knows the secret of our hearts, said Psalms 44. In fact every of your actions is noted. In fact, in Isaiah, Yahweh himself(not any prophets) stated he knows the beginning of the world to the end.
There is no limitations of his knowledge anywhere else. The only limitations comes from you and your gang.
Its unfortunate its an atheist that should explain the bible to a theist like a JW. Yahweh must be shaking his head in bemusement.

MaxInDHouse:
I have told him this countless times but he is stuck to the teachings of Christendom churches and that's what he wants to use in judging everyone who believes the Bible.

This is what God told Abraham about Sodom and Gomorrah:

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21

About Abraham's faith God said:

“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me" Genesis 22:12

From the two accounts does it show that God is what the churches of Christendom taught our friend?

But instead of him to rejoice that he has found the truth he is bitter!

WHY?

Because he's selfish so he wants decide what God should be and do exactly what he wants as long as God doesn't turn out as he expected he's not only satisfied with being an atheist but to stop everyone else from having faith in God!

Please read those bible passages I posted on Yahweh being omniscient. Thank you

cornelboy:
Thank you.
And it seems very easy to be an atheist.
Every intelligence individual knows that there's a mastermind behind creation. Only the study of how our DNA work proves that. Even the nature surrounding us proves that.
Nothing can come out of nothing.

So if nothing can come out of nothing, where did Yahweh pop out from?