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Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 6:39pm On Aug 24, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you're misconstruing everything and it's obvious you don't want to know the truth.

No verse tells you God is omniscient, He knows everything about His own program from start to finish but as regards what human will choose to do regarding righteousness He doesn't know.

That's why He told them:

‘“As surely as I am alive,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, “I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that someone wicked changes his way and keeps living. Turn back, turn back from your bad ways, for why should you die, O house of Israel?”’ Ezekiel 33:11

So man has the freewill to do good or evil just as Balaam did! smiley
Lemme oblige you and repost those verses again. Maybe you're dyslexic.

Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:4
Even before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O Lord, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Psalm 147:4
He counts the number of the stars;
He gives names to all of them.

Hebrews 4:13
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.


Psalm 139:1-4
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

Psalm 44:21
Would not God find this out?
For He knows the secrets of the heart.

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard?
The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth
Does not become weary or tired.
His understanding is inscrutable.


Isaiah 46:9-10
“Remember the former things long past,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;

Psalm 139:1-3
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

1 Kings 8:39
then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men,

Acts 1:24
And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen

What does Psalms mean by His understanding is infinite. What do you understand by the word 'infinite'?

In 1st John, the verse stated Yahweh knows all things. It didn't say he knows only about his creations. Even the other Psalms says before you utter a word, Yahweh knows it all, from what you're about to say or do(everything). Your whole anatomy, the stars etc are all laid bare(as stated by the other verses). He even knows the secret of our hearts, said Psalms 44. In fact every of your actions is noted. In fact, in Isaiah, Yahweh himself(not any prophets) stated he knows the beginning of the world to the end.
There is no limitations of his knowledge anywhere else. The only limitations comes from you and your gang.
Its unfortunate its an atheist that should explain the bible to a theist like a JW. Yahweh must be shaking his head in bemusement.
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 5:31pm On Aug 24, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
I have told him this countless times but he is stuck to the teachings of Christendom churches and that's what he wants to use in judging everyone who believes the Bible.

This is what God told Abraham about Sodom and Gomorrah:

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21

About Abraham's faith God said:

“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me" Genesis 22:12

From the two accounts does it show that God is what the churches of Christendom taught our friend?

But instead of him to rejoice that he has found the truth he is bitter!

WHY?

Because he's selfish so he wants decide what God should be and do exactly what he wants as long as God doesn't turn out as he expected he's not only satisfied with being an atheist but to stop everyone else from having faith in God! grin
Please read those bible passages I posted on Yahweh being omniscient. Thank you
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 5:30pm On Aug 24, 2023
cornelboy:
Thank you.
And it seems very easy to be an atheist.
Every intelligence individual knows that there's a mastermind behind creation. Only the study of how our DNA work proves that. Even the nature surrounding us proves that.
Nothing can come out of nothing.
So if nothing can come out of nothing, where did Yahweh pop out from? angry
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 5:29pm On Aug 24, 2023
cornelboy:
You are the ones saying he's omniscient and want him to be what you him to be. You can't control God.

If we are talking about general knowledge, he knows everything. He knows what the universe is made of, how everything happened, how life begin, what our bodies is made of, just name it.

But when it comes to our action, what will happen in the very next minute, he doesn't know.

For example I could be going down the street tonight and see a prostitute, take her somewhere and have s3x with her or I might just ignore her temptation and please Jehovah.
God doesn't know and control these outcomes but he wants his people to do the right thing.

Do you think he knew Adam would sin and yet he still went ahead to create him? He could have created programmed robots.
Look at Satan for example, he rebelled and cause so much chaos in the world today. God wouldn't have created him in the first place.

So created us and gave us the free will to choose between good and bad. He had hope in Adam but Adam failed.
He still has hope in us today till today.
That's why he will save the good people in the future and destroy bad people.

In a nutshell, God has the ability to know the future but he doesn't control the future. He can use the ability whenever he wants to but he doesn't use it spontaneously and continuously.
Did you read any of the verses I posted from the bible? Or you just wanna be like Max who ignores other posts and spews whatever rubbish his brain tells him?
Christianity EtcRe: Proof Of God's Existence You Should Know by jaephoenix(m): 5:26pm On Aug 24, 2023
blogginguncle1:
Great, and thank you.
Can you post the salient points here. Many people including myself don't like clickbaits
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 3:09pm On Aug 24, 2023
cornelboy:
Genesis 6:5-6 NLV
[5]The lord observed the extent of human wickedness on the earth, and he saw that everything they thought or imagined was consistently and totally evil.
[6]So the lord was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart.

Genesis 18:20-22 NLV
[20]So the lord told Abraham, “I have heard a great outcry from Sodom and Gomorrah, because their sin is so flagrant.
[21]I am going down to see if their actions are as wicked as I have heard. If not, I want to know.”
[22]The other men turned and headed toward Sodom, but the lord remained with Abraham.

Do these sound to you that God knew everything all along?
He knows everything spontaneously all at once? No!

I was making a point the other time.
Do you think your trinity Gods feeds and enjoy themselves pleasurely with all the atrocities and immoralities happening at nightclubs around the world? You can't tell me he doesn't see and know that too.

My holy God certainly doesn't feed himself with all that.

He has the ability to know but only use it when he wants to.
So an omniscient god(who chooses when he would be omniscient) does not know that his creations would eventually be evil?
Interesting grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 3:06pm On Aug 24, 2023
johnw47:
well girls, join you again later tonight
So you actually run when challenged? Interesting grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op):
cornelboy:
Perhaps you only know how to use big grammars. You couldn't understand a simple sentence.

God has the power to know everything and he uses it when he wants to.

Take for example, when the people in Noah's day were committing a lot of atrocities, God wasn't aware until it was brought to his notice. He confirmed it, regretted he created them and punished them. You can go look for the chapter.

I was making a point that God doesn't constantly feeds himself with all the evils and atrocities going on in the world. He only cares for his people and watch over them and uses the power (of knowing everything) whenever it's needed.
In other words, he's still omniscient but chooses when to be omniscient?
Lol. Like I said, its truly hard being a theist but harder being a JW
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 3:02pm On Aug 24, 2023
johnw47:
dope

i have already started kicking your bum, but you, like false jw's is to dum to see

by the way, you call cowardly and then run away for hours, funny
Unlike you that spend your life visiting threads which you cannot engage in, I have an offline job. Thank you
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 3:00pm On Aug 24, 2023
cornelboy:
Do you believe in the trinity?
I thought your friend Max said its only churchgoers that derail threads. Please open your own thread on Trinidad and Tobago but face the topic on hand. Thank you
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 2:00pm On Aug 24, 2023
johnw47:
dope

the revelance is, you think you said something clever, which you didn't, but winked anyway like a fool

oh duh dummy, small g is for a god, big G is for the God
you as dum as false jw's, never told you before because i though you were a man,
but you just another girly, aren't you
Ummm... Whats the difference between the small g and big g. Same thing if you ask me
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 1:59pm On Aug 24, 2023
johnw47:
dummy corn boy

gee you dum aren't you, once again, to show up false jw lies and delusions of grandeur etc.

and now will kick a bit of atheist bum while i'm here
And how exactly do you intend to 'kick this atheist bum'? By keeping quiet? undecided
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 1:58pm On Aug 24, 2023
johnw47:
hey dope, you say my not being interested in talking with atheist is being cowardly,
you are as deluded as false jw mad max, and of course false jw mad max agreed with you,
see how similar you two lost ones actually are
Ok, if say so
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 1:57pm On Aug 24, 2023
cornelboy:
I certainly know my God doesn't feed his eyes with the atrocities committed in the world today.
Imagine an holy God seeing and knowing all the things going on all over the night clubs in the world.

My point is GOD can know anything whenever he wants to know.
In trying to avoid a pitfall, you ended up running into a dam.
Can you explain what the bolded means? Doesn't it still point to an all knowing being?
Besides, you carefully ignored the Bible passages which clearly depicted your god as all knowing.
Being a JW is truly a hard business. Lol grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 1:54pm On Aug 24, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
OK Sir! grin
Were you born a JW?
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 11:47am On Aug 24, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
The atheist has tried to engage him only for him to shy away from the discussion and keep quoting me as if nah me collect him bread! cheesy
Your own is even worse. You talked rubbish anf ran off. His own issue is he's too cowardly but you're an ignorant megalomaniac
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 11:44am On Aug 24, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
They're agitating against the religion brought by white supremacists but they carry their language as the greatest treasure they can achieve.
Imagine Wole Soyinka, all he had in life is what the whiteman's language could offer yet he wants to rubbish their religion by going back to what they brought in exchange of the religion: ATHEISM. cheesy
Everyone was born an atheist til someone starts telling lies…
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 11:43am On Aug 24, 2023
cornelboy:
Where did God ever say he knows everything or call himself omniscient?
Perhaps he has the power to know and see everything and came to Balaam to have a normal conversation.
That's strange. I thought its only JWs that agree Yahweh isn't omniscient. Pray what's your denomination?
By the way, here's passages Yahweh said he's omniscient…


Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:4
Even before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O Lord, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Psalm 147:4
He counts the number of the stars;
He gives names to all of them.

Hebrews 4:13
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.


Psalm 139:1-4
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

Psalm 44:21
Would not God find this out?
For He knows the secrets of the heart.

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard?
The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth
Does not become weary or tired.
His understanding is inscrutable.


Isaiah 46:9-10
“Remember the former things long past,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;

Psalm 139:1-3
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

1 Kings 8:39
then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men,

Acts 1:24
And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen


Besides you guys sing and dance about his all knowing powers
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 11:18am On Aug 24, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
I gave him the valid response any honest hearted inquisitor will love to hear but because he's determined to rubbish God's word that it's meaningless that's what made him really mad as i quoted Jesus telling us the evil hidden in Balaam's heart which he later carried out.


This is exactly what the atheist expected from you people so that he tell you how hopeless your faith is in a mysterious being that's unpredictable.
Well that's the difference between you people and Jehovah's Witnesses, we are the Witnesses of our own God sent to prove that our God is not a monster whose actions can't be understood.
Abraham is our father {Romans 4:11} he questioned his God for going to destroy a whole city where faithful people could be found in the midst of evildoers:
“Will you really sweep away the righteous with the wicked? ....... It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you. Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?” Genesis 18:23-25

Note the highlighted in red!
Abraham argued with the true God that he shouldn't do what is unexplainable meaning a worshiper of the God of Abraham should be able to explain to worshipers of other Gods whatever his God does. That's the one and only difference between the God of Abraham and all other Gods that you can't vouch for!

Well Balaam changed his strategy that's the evil he did! smiley
When you can read and write, we can converse. Til then, go back to kindergarten
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 11:16am On Aug 24, 2023
preciousee17:
I don't know if I'm wicked, but I feel so happy that Max has been avoiding a valid response...

I'm not forcing you to believe, neither am I making much effort to convince you.

But our God hates the love of money.
1. Ask God for something (of worldly pleasure) too much, even after He has said no, and He'll use that thing to destroy you. Ask the Children of Israel how they managed to receive poisoned meat from their God.

2. Not everytime God gives a response, that you'll say God said it with His voice. Most times it's Angels responding, or the Holy Spirit or Jesus. Truly, God hardly speaks directly. I've forgotten the name, but a certain King inquired of the Lord before going into battle, all the prophets said God had promised victory — except one man. It is later revealed that God had allowed the prophets to receive a lying spirit that gave out that false prophecy.

For me, God already told Balaam that he should not curse those people.
Balaam, out of greed because of more 'money' decided to to ask God again so that perhaps, he could curse them and enjoy the money in peace (God had already said His mind).
God decided to destroy Balaam because of the greed... Actually the plan was for Balaam to go and bless those people, instead of curse them.
But as complex as my God is, He still had to point out that death/destruction is the penalty for greed.
Now someone with some brain has replied. Hallelujah!
1. Did you read anywhere in that passage that Balaam enquired anything from Yahweh? Nope. In fact, it was Yahweh that was doing the enquiries.

9 God came to balaam and asked, “Who are these men with you?”
10 balaam said to God, “Balak son of Zippor, king of Moab, sent me this message: 11 ‘A people that has come out of Egypt covers the face of the land. Now come and put a curse on them for me. Perhaps then I will be able to fight them and drive them away.’”
12 But God said to balaam, “Do not go with them. You must not put a curse on those people, because they are blessed.”


… and this

20 That night God came to balaam and said, “Since these men have come to summon you, go with them, but do only what I tell you.”

On the first occasion he was asking Balaam who the men are and he(Balaam) explained to Yahweh.
On the second occasion(when the men came back with more stuff), Yahweh told Balaam what to do, which he did.
AT NO POINT DID BALAAM DISOBEY YAHWEH OR EVEN EXPRESS GREED. HE TOLD THEM AB INITIO THAT HE WONT CURSE ISRAEL.

2. How come an omniscient god doesn't know the future(he doesn't know who men were and he didn't even know that they were coming back)

3. How come he wanted to destroy Balaam for obeying him?
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 11:03am On Aug 24, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Below is your runaway end-of-comments as you don't know how to answer the atheist.



So instead of throwing tantrums why not learn from real disciples of Christ how to maintain calmness in scriptural topics? 1Peter 3:15

I skillfully humbled the atheist using choicest of words to calm his nerves and after he has tendered an apology i gave him the answer he seek. All of you can learn from the way and manner i handled his case.

I'm sure you guys will always remember me when i stop commenting on this forum, until then i have proved to all of you this day that the book Bible with it's 66 little books, 1189 chapters and 31,200 verses were written by Jehovah's Witnesses and only Jehovah's Witnesses can fish out answers to all the questions you may raise in our book, your book, God's word: The Holy Bible!

May you have PEACE! smiley
The problem is you know nothing. From making nonsense of an explanation for an event, to stating masturbators have mood swings. And in your twisted mind, you made sense.
This decisions of grandeur is getting serious. You need a good psychiatrist to shrink your brain. I'm serious, no cap.
Btw, my apology was for the long initial post which I tendered to everyone here, and not to your overbloated ego. You can twist it any way you like. I'm a humble person, not a grandiose nutjob like you
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 10:58am On Aug 24, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Below is your apology showing you've got my point that i'm not here to throw tantrums or argue aimlessly but to set matters straight picking few points.



So if you suddenly turned abusive while reading my comments regarding what you asked then it means something is wrong somewhere. How can you tender an apology and afterwards there has been calmness on the thread as all the followers are watching to see how our friendly conversation goes then you suddenly got provoked instead of pointing out what else you want to know?

Ọmọ if you have anything tangible to say i'm in but if it's getting on your nerves there's no need to continue the discussion! Proverbs 17:14
Lol. You really are a fruity job. These JWs did a number on your brain. Religion truly is dangerous. Reason why a whole group of people can follow someone to commit suicide, like Jim Jones etc.
If you cannot read and comprehend a passage, then its not my problem. Someone gave you a passage about an event, you interpreted it with some nonsense that is completely irrelevant to the matter.
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 10:39pm On Aug 23, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
I tried to check your profile now and found this:



Please masturbators often suffer mood swings. huh
Try to stop it in order to be consistent in whatever you want to do and maintain your calmness. This is life nobody is answerable to you so when people come to chat with you due to what you want to know they're not your enemies rather they're here to rub minds with you.

Until you get yourself together again farewell! undecided
Lol. So Dr. Max where did you read that masturbators suffer mood swings? Or is it one of your Kingdom Hall medical classes that they taught you that? At least masturbation is better than child molestation(which you guys are specialist at), don't you think?
By the way, you have been throwing insults my way since, I have been ignoring. I gave you a bit of your own medicine and you're foaming rubbish from your mouth
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 10:36pm On Aug 23, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Na wah o! undecided

Someone asked why God suddenly got annoyed with the false prophet and i showed you in the same book (Bible)

Neither you nor myself wrote any part of that book, the difference between you and i is that i was trained by the real BORN AGAIN brothers of Christ chosen to feed God's people this endtime {Matthew 24:45} so when i told you we know all 66 books, 1189 chapters and 31,200 verses so we can connect it all to teach whoever is willing to learn.

So if you're not happy that i have helped you to solved the riddle just tell me and i will take my leave but know today that Jehovah's Witnesses have all the answers you need in our book, your book, God's word the Holy Bible.

Thanks for your time and may you have PEACE! smiley
Again, read Numbers 22 and point out where Balaam disobeyed Yahweh's instructions. Leave what happened in Revelations, its not related to the Yahweh-Balaam interactions because Balaam did exactly what Yahweh wanted and nearly got killed for it. Please can someone with a brain explain this to Max
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 8:35pm On Aug 23, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Balaam knew Jehovah very well that He's a faithful God ever protective towards His faithful worshipers so Balaam adviced Balak to use Moabite girls against the worshipers of Jehovah so that the angel protecting them can leave the camp. That's what made Jehovah Himself turn against Israelites to afflict them with pestilence. Exodus 34:16 compare to Deuteronomy 7:4

Oh!
You asked for where it's recorded that Balaam changed his strategy so open to the Bible book of Revelations:

“‘Nevertheless, I have a few things against you, that you have there those adhering to the teaching of Baʹlaam, who TAUGHT Baʹlak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit sexual immorality" Revelations 2:14

This is what was missing in Moses's account of that story Jesus (Archangel Michael) later reveal to apostle John. Remember i told you that he was the angel representing Jehovah {Exodus 13:21 compare to Exodus 14:19} in the camp of God's people as a protective shield {Daniel 12:1} Moses only discovered that many among Israelites young men started sleeping with Moabite women following them to worship their Gods that's all he knew back then! smiley
Max are you sure you don't have some loose screws upstairs?
I’m seriously asking cos you don't sound coherent. This is beyond poor comprehension skills.
NOW FOR THE LAST TIME, CAN YOU POINT OUT IN THIS BIBLE PASSAGE WHERE BALAAM DISOBEYED YAHWEH
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 6:57pm On Aug 23, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
He changed his strategy that's why God got angry with him. He stopped thinking about how to curse the Israelites then went ahead to give the king an advice to lure the Israelites into committing fornication!
Please can you point out where Balaam changed his strategy or even went against Yahweh? angry
Thank you
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 4:31pm On Aug 23, 2023
Lemme make it easy for you…

20 That night God came to balaam and said, “Since these men have come to summon you, go with them, but do only what I tell you.”

balaam’s Donkey
21 balaam got up in the morning, saddled his donkey and went with the Moabite officials. 22 But God was very angry when he went, and the angel of the Lord stood in the road to oppose him
balaam was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him. 23 When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand, it turned off the road into a field. balaam beat it to get it back on the road.

32 The angel of the Lord asked him, “Why have you beaten your donkey these three times? I have come here to oppose you because your path is a reckless one before me.[a] 33 The donkey saw me and turned away from me these three times. If it had not turned away, I would certainly have killed you by now, but I would have spared it.”

I have highlighted the challenging parts in case you have comprehension issues.
Now read and explain what you can understand
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 4:17pm On Aug 23, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
[1] Balaam is not a prophet of Jehovah but a sorcerer who feared the true God so when God told him not to go it was because Balaam's life is in danger.
An angel (most suspected to be Michael) is with the Israelites so whoever lay a curse on God's people will be killed by the angel of God leading the camp of Israel {Exodus 14:19} but after they have paid him Jehovah asked him to go but it's only what Jehovah puts in Balaam's mouth that he must say.

[2] Balaam changed his mind and look for another means of cursing the Israelites that's why God sent the angel to destroy him. He taught the king to select attractive young girls and pay them to seduce Israelite men into committing fornication and worshiping their idols that's what led to the death of 23,000 Israelites.

[3] You're citing the same case here Balaam can go with the enemies of Israel but he must not speak a word unless what Jehovah put in his mouth.

[4] it's better we leave the talking donkey out of our discussion since you find it absorb even though i believe every single word found in the Bible.
With this response, I believe you haven't read that chapter, even though I posted it here. Please I beg, do read it, and then glance through my questions. Thank you
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 2:22pm On Aug 23, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Please try to be more relaxed and instead of quoting the long story just pick the point you want me to address.
As a member of Jehovah's Witnesses we know all the stories in our book (Bible) it's written by forty different men, it contains 66 books 39 in the Old Testament and 27 in the New Testament, all containing 1189 Chapters and 31,200 verses.

So don't quote the words just cite it and tell me the point you want us to address.

Thanks! smiley
Okay.
1. Yahweh originally told balaam not to go with them, but changed his mind and told him to go with them when they sent more goodies. Is he getting bribed or what?
2. Now when balaam obeyed him and went with them, he sent an angel to kill him, even though poor balaam was adhering to his instructions
3. After threatening balaam that he would have killed him if not for the donkey, he still went ahead to tell him to continue on the journey
4. I don't want to talk about the talking donkey ( that's some hardcore Shrek moves ) that's for another day.
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 2:04pm On Aug 23, 2023
I know JWs dont believe that Yahweh is omniscient, so strike off the first question. Leave it for the other theists. Thank you
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 2:03pm On Aug 23, 2023
Numbers 22(part 2)
24 Then the angel of the Lord stood in a narrow path through the vineyards, with walls on both sides.
25 When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord, it pressed close to the wall, crushing balaam’s foot against it. So he beat the donkey again.

26 Then the angel of the Lord moved on ahead and stood in a narrow place where there was no room to turn, either to the right or to the left. 27 When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord, it lay down under balaam, and he was angry and beat it with his staff. 28 Then the Lord opened the donkey’s mouth, and it said to balaam, “What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?”

29 balaam answered the donkey, “You have made a fool of me! If only I had a sword in my hand, I would kill you right now.”

30 The donkey said to balaam, “Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you?”

“No,” he said.

31 Then the Lord opened balaam’s eyes, and he saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with his sword drawn. So he bowed low and fell facedown.

32 The angel of the Lord asked him, “Why have you beaten your donkey these three times? I have come here to oppose you because your path is a reckless one before me.[a] 33 The donkey saw me and turned away from me these three times. If it had not turned away, I would certainly have killed you by now, but I would have spared it.”

34 balaam said to the angel of the Lord, “I have sinned. I did not realize you were standing in the road to oppose me. Now if you are displeased, I will go back.”

35 The angel of the Lord said to balaam, “Go with the men, but speak only what I tell you.” So balaam went with Balak’s officials.

36 When Balak heard that balaam was coming, he went out to meet him at the Moabite town on the Arnon border, at the edge of his territory. 37 Balak said to balaam, “Did I not send you an urgent summons? Why didn’t you come to me? Am I really not able to reward you?”

38 “Well, I have come to you now,” balaam replied. “But I can’t say whatever I please. I must speak only what God puts in my mouth.”

39 Then balaam went with Balak to Kiriath Huzoth. 40 Balak sacrificed cattle and sheep, and gave some to balaam and the officials who were with him. 41 The next morning Balak took balaam up to Bamoth Baal, and from there he could see the outskirts of the Israelite camp.

Now, reading the above passage as a fresher should have one scratching his head.
1. An omniscient god was asking a mortal he created who the other mortals are. As an omniscient god, he would have told balaam that some officials would visit him in some days, and told him what he would tell them as reply.
2. Not only that, he originally told balaam not to go with them, but changed his mind and told him to go with them when they sent more goodies
3. Now when balaam obeyed him and went with them, he sent an angel to kill him, even though poor balaam was adhering to his instructions
4. After threatening balaam that he would have killed him if not for the donkey, he still went ahead to tell him to continue on the journey
5. I don't want to talk about the talking donkey ( that's some hardcore Shrek moves ) that's for another day.
Christianity EtcRe: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 2:03pm On Aug 23, 2023
Numbers 22(part 1)

1 Then the Israelites traveled to the plains of Moab and camped along the Jordan across from Jericho.

2 Now Balak son of Zippor saw all that Israel had done to the Amorites, 3 and Moab was terrified because there were so many people. Indeed, Moab was filled with dread because of the Israelites.

4 The Moabites said to the elders of Midian, “This horde is going to lick up everything around us, as an ox licks up the grass of the field.”

So Balak son of Zippor, who was king of Moab at that time, 5 sent messengers to summon balaam son of Beor, who was at Pethor, near the Euphrates River, in his native land. Balak said:

“A people has come out of Egypt; they cover the face of the land and have settled next to me. 6 Now come and put a curse on these people, because they are too powerful for me. Perhaps then I will be able to defeat them and drive them out of the land. For I know that whoever you bless is blessed, and whoever you curse is cursed.”

7 The elders of Moab and Midian left, taking with them the fee for divination. When they came to balaam, they told him what Balak had said.

8 “Spend the night here,” balaam said to them, “and I will report back to you with the answer the Lord gives me.” So the Moabite officials stayed with him.

9 God came to balaam and asked, “Who are these men with you?”

10 balaam said to God, “Balak son of Zippor, king of Moab, sent me this message: 11 ‘A people that has come out of Egypt covers the face of the land. Now come and put a curse on them for me. Perhaps then I will be able to fight them and drive them away.’”

12 But God said to balaam, “Do not go with them. You must not put a curse on those people, because they are blessed.”

13 The next morning balaam got up and said to Balak’s officials, “Go back to your own country, for the Lord has refused to let me go with you.”

14 So the Moabite officials returned to Balak and said, “balaam refused to come with us.”

15 Then Balak sent other officials, more numerous and more distinguished than the first. 16 They came to balaam and said:

“This is what Balak son of Zippor says: Do not let anything keep you from coming to me, 17 because I will reward you handsomely and do whatever you say. Come and put a curse on these people for me.”

18 But balaam answered them, “Even if Balak gave me all the silver and gold in his palace, I could not do anything great or small to go beyond the command of the Lord my God. 19 Now spend the night here so that I can find out what else the Lord will tell me.”

20 That night God came to balaam and said, “Since these men have come to summon you, go with them, but do only what I tell you.”

balaam’s Donkey
21 balaam got up in the morning, saddled his donkey and went with the Moabite officials. 22 But God was very angry when he went, and the angel of the Lord stood in the road to oppose him.
balaam was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him. 23 When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand, it turned off the road into a field. balaam beat it to get it back on the road.

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