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MaxInDHouse:
Now you're lying to your own soul!

What if i tell you that they are atheists?

You don't just lay claims, you back it up with proof. That has always been your motto!

Are they PRACTICING what Christ taught?

If not then you're just shying away from facts staring at you!

The definition of an atheist is one who doesn't believe in a god. Unfortunately those guys(TenQ, advocatejare, Oladegbu etc) that harrass Muslims all believe in Yahweh, so they are Christians, and of course, theists.
I understand you pull out definitions out of your ass and re-define phenomena with your own parameters.
But I'm sorry to tell you this. The world doesn't revolve around you, or your child molesting cult.
When you have time, write your own dictionary and thesaurus. Call a car bicycle if you like. Thats your fvcking business

dettolgel:
I recall one of my relatives told me that I should becare that these days bad people in my village sends stroke to people. She went ahead to name several people that have afflicted by this so called wicked village man.

I then asked her if anyone among the list is younger than 30 years old, she said no. I then moved the age to 40 until we get to 60 and none of the victims were younger than 60 years old.

I asked her what stopped the man from afflicting strokes to those under 25 years old boys that have been stealing from him in the village, "na there story change."

Like you said ignorance poverty and religion are a very dangerous mix.

Thats Nigerians for you. And this person telling you this may be a well educated person, probably with a Ph.D but yet cannot reason logically.
Strokes are usually caused by elevated blood pressures. And because most Africans don't do yearly medicals, they don't detect it. You'll see someone tell you s/he has not been to the hospital for 50 years, that they don't get sick etc. Those are usually the people that succumb to these strokes and other complications of chronic diseases. In fact, people think doctors shouldn't handle strokes since it was 'sent' by evil people. I have had many patient relatives move their wards to churches or trado house, insisting its beyond us. Of course we can't stop them.
These scenarios of attributing diseases to demonic causes would continue because they are fueled by churches and pastors, who see such cases as sources of income. It used to be trado guys/babalawos etc fueling these ignorances. But churches have taken over the business. And its booming.

MaxInDHouse:
Quote a Jehovah's Witnesses among them and see me caution my brother!

They are all christians. Whether he's a JW or not

dettolgel:
Oga maybe you were allergic to some thing in your environment. I know kids that are allergic to baby formula or certain food. It is a shame that most African family due to ignorance or and poverty they could rarely make that connection or keep a tab on such.

I recall correctly that my immediate younger brother used to get sick alot few days after eating or coming in contact with pineapples. No one could figure it out, it took years before I told my parents it was the pineapple. I didn't even know there was a name for it. They observed it and when they noticed out of ignorance they just said yeah he was a spoilt child and will get over it.

Anyways thank God for your life because in some people it could be fatal.

People get allergic to a lot of things. I had a patient that was allergic to water! I can imagine what people must have told him. Happy he didn't take their advice.
In this part of the world, ignorance, poverty and religion have given off a deadly mix. People attribute illnesses to all kinds of spirits and demons. And what's worse is that some health workers contrive to reinforce such beliefs. Yes, some of my doctor colleagues believe hypertension etc are demonic. I was asking what about scientific research and they waved it away. Ask them to bring evidence about their demonic origin, you'll hear all kinds of gibberish. So this deadly mix has spread all over and we can't help.

Image123:
Reflecting, deflecting, maybe you'll soon use genuflecting or perfecting. All these had nothing to do with what i said in a Religion section of a public forum. Lolz, i am talking Bible in Religion section, you are talking scientific discourse, whatever that means. Do you make skits? Are dreams science?

Yes. Dreams can be studied scientifically

LordReed:
Like those two bit fortune tellers who always advertise in newspapers?

Exactly

MaxInDHouse:
Who cares what works with your brain anymore?

If you say something is not yours yet you wake up each day to mark register along with those adhering to it as their own don't you think something is seriously wrong with you?

Meanwhile the Author of that book said:

At that time those who fear Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance was written before him for those fearing Jehovah and for those meditating on his name. Malachi 3:16

Ọmọ whatever makes you wakes up everyday thinking about what is written in that book you're surely serving as evidence that the Author is REAL!

Your Christian brothers are constantly harassing Muslims on religion section everyday, you haven't for once cautioned them. Now atheists are harassing you guys, and you are suddenly defensive.
By the way, you're derailing this thread. I thought u said JWs don't derail threads but it looks like you're doing a fine job of it.
Please answer the question.

Image123:
Foolish question.

I asked you if you can fly, you replied that I focus on wings of the plane. So I asked the question. So please answer

Dtruthspeaker:
See how stupid you are in real life? Now you have run to "do you live inside me" yet you came to tell us that our spiritual experiences are are dreams in the head. "Do you live inside us"?

That aside, I do not need to live inside you for me to know that you have experienced it. for no one has escaped its reminders or attacks absolutely no one.

Can you explain the bolded?
If you insist i have experienced it, so be it then

Dtruthspeaker:
How would you not pretend to not understand when you can't lie here after inferring that once a person is hooked up to your machines, you would see his dreams and all he experiences since they are from the brain?

So there is no need for patients to talk just hook them up like a car and tell them what is wrong.

I dont know whether you do this intentionally or not, but you go off the tangent whenever we are on a discourse.
There are symptoms and there are signs. Symptoms are what patients tell us. Signs is what we elicit on exam(whether clinical or investigations). Yes we can predict when a patient is lying about some symptoms, eg pain or fever. But we can predict symptoms like headache(even though EEGs give us a hint). So we still need patients to give us inputs via symptoms.
I still don't understand how this affects the convo. Or have you run outta meds?

Dtruthspeaker:
So these people here are pseudoscientists, abi?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25333721-000-interoception-this-sixth-sense-could-be-key-to-better-mental-health/&ved=2ahUKEwi_9v-duYiBAxX8VUEAHbSMCqQQFnoECB8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1bzc8-JNHm5moH78UOK8V4

They were talking about Interoception which they likened to a sixth sense. This is different from what your scientist touted as a sixth sense which he called something like a gut instinct. Those are different concepts. Read them again.
In science, a concept needs to have a distinct and constant characteristics or properties for it to be accepted. Right now, sixth sense doesn't have one. All the senses in the body have distinct properties and modalities. No so for your sixth sense

Dtruthspeaker:
I thought you said you are a doctor duckter so it is understandable how you did not see the idiom sitting on the fence even with typos and therefore ducked it.

You typed 'sitting in a fence' not 'sitting on a fence' which is why I missed it. Learn to read and write before castigating others

Image123:
Right, FOCUS. Wings of a plane, yes.

Oh. R u the plane?

Dtruthspeaker:
Is this how hard English is? O I forgot, you generation had bad education hence you lack good imagination and understanding of idioms.

Meanwhile that is where the point is and it is not meant to be explained.

I thought u said you're a lawyer liar. Where is the idiomatic expression u posted?

CanadaOrBust:
Interesting story OP. But have you u ever asked yourself why we have so many unsolved murders and crimes of just yesterday if a pastor can see back to decades ago and pinpoint who exactly cast a spell on a child??
I never say anything is impossible, I only make these types of observations

Nigerians have problems with logical reasoning. If OP had this, he'd thought that if his pastor has such powers, Nigeria would be better off. But guess what, we are worse off. Why? Because literate and educated people think like that

madridguy:
Stop forming woke brother. Even the so call doctors or surgeon dey arrange black power to treat or operate some of their patients.

This is one of the reasons I say quality education is a myth in Nigeria. How a (possible) graduate would say this, is beyond me

EmekaStanley:
This is a true story of my life. Read this story to end, it could be the most important information you’ll ever get with regards to protecting your child.

No individual ever remembers what happened to him or her in their baby or toddler days, we only get the information from parents, older siblings, neighbors or just about anyone who happened to be there at that time. It was the same with me.

One of the earliest events of my childhood that I can recall was that one particular lady that lived within the neighborhood called me, ‘Anya tititi’, anytime she was passing by and sees me.

I later realized that she was jokingly making jest of an eye condition I had at that time called Strabismus or misaligned eyes. My eyes were later to align perfectly as I got older.

When I became older to comprehend wholly, my parents told me how much I got so sick.

According to my mother, I was so sick that even the doctors could not detect what was wrong with me. I was taken to several hospitals, several tests, no result. It was this sickness that caused the strabismus then.

My mother went further to tell me that at a point after trying several hospitals with no headway, they got tired of carrying me around, tiredness of not knowing what next to do.

She said they’ll just lay me on the bed the whole day, I won’t move and the only way they’ll know that I’m still alive is that they’ll call my name, ‘Chukwuemeka’, and I’ll answer ‘huh’.

The ‘huh’ sound from me was the confirmation they needed to have that I was still alive. I was meant to understand that this was my condition for a long time.

It is important to note that this was not as a result of lack of nutrition because I was rightly told by my parents and an Aunt who babysat me, that of all my siblings, I consumed the most quality and quantity of pricey baby foods as a way to hopefully get me out of that situation.

But as God would have it, and after a long time spanning to months and few years, I began to snap out of that condition with no medication or special attention, and here am I today, a full grown man with complete functionalities. To God be the Glory.

Till this day, even as I write this, my mother and father (of blessed memory), cannot explain all that transpired – the cause, the state and the rejuvenation.

All I have myself are stories related to me; stories enough for me to acknowledge that I was preserved by God, and I still am.
But yesterday, the answer to that mystery seems to have arrived.

Apparently, I have never prayed to God to demand an answer on what happened during that period but he was benevolent enough to reveal it for my use, and also for you reading this. It could be the only reason why I am writing this.

Yesterday, my wife called a man of God she has known even before I met her.

This means I only got to know this man after I knew my wife, and I had not related this story to either of them.

I noticed she was on the phone which is normal for anyone with a mobile phone.

When she dropped the call, she came to me to say that in the course of their conversation, the man of God mentioned that when I was a child, I was so sick that everyone thought I was going to die, that she should confirm this from me.

The man said but for GOD’S MERCY, I would have died as a child and there was nothing anyone could have done to get me out of it. It feels surreal as I write this. All I can say is thank God for preserving me.

Well I confirmed to my wife that it was true.

But why was I that sick?

I didn’t know that till yesterday. And for someone like me who believes in the deep spirituality and mystery of life, I had never thought about it.

The man told my wife that when I was born, I was perfectly fine until someone came for new baby salutation.

In the part of Africa where I come from, when a woman gives birth, friends, family, neighbors and well wishers visit to congratulate the woman and husband on the arrival of the baby. Some bring gifts if they choose.

This particular person may have brought gift but he or she had a different agenda. This person touched me and cast a sick spell on me: a spell that was intended to kill me as a baby. Yes, that was why this person visited.

The world is deep, deeper than you’ll ever realize. The man of God mentioned a specific reason why this person wanted me dead as an innocent child but I will not say it because it is not for the purpose of this write up.

But like every other evil, this reason is borne out of jealousy, envy, greed and sheer wickedness.

I have a good heart, my parents have a good heart. You have a good and so do your parents but can you say that about your neighbor, friends, family, relatives or well wishers? No you can’t, unless proven.

The best form of protection you can give to your children is spiritual protection – through prayers, intercessions, sacrifices and sound admonition.

Due to the knit and communal culture of family in Africa, it may look weird to shut out your children from family.

But they must be protected from both within the family and outside the family.

Again, don’t just let anyone touch your child, especially when they are still babies. Even medical doctors advise against it.

Pray for your kids before they step out of the house and before you receive visitors – whether family or not.

This is not going about suspecting everyone and living in fear, it is about you being a parent, a protector.

Ask God to build a hedge of protection over them, He will. A lot of kids and young people are behaving strangely not because of bad training or as a result of their parents’ sins but because of an evil spell cast upon them by misguided people, either by touch or by word of mouth.

It’s a wicked world; a world where a lot goes on spiritually than it goes physically.

It is a world where every physical event is a manifestation of a concluded spiritual event. Let your children know this.

A lot of people die mysteriously, these include kids, the young and the old. But God saved me out of pure mercy and love. I mean, I was just a harmless baby. I knew next to nothing, I had hurt no one but someone wanted me dead.

You don’t need to hurt anyone before they’ll want you dead. Know this and be wise.

Summarily, I want to thank God for saving me, for preserving me and for this, I’ll remain eternally grateful.

Protect yourself and your children. Give more consideration to the spiritual aspect of this protection because you won’t always be there with your kids.

Execute the physical aspect of it as much as you are capable and leave the rest for God.

As for this person who wanted me dead as a baby, I don’t even know you and the man of God said you are dead.

If you were alive, I would have visited you to know exactly what was going through your mind. May God judge you according to your deeds.
Those who want us dead for no justifiable reason will see us shine and still die before us. Amen


Emeka Stanley

1. You didn't exactly state why your parents think you're sick. Apart from lying still, you didn't state your symptoms so I can't get a diagnosis
2. Neonatal strabismus is normal til about 6 months. And it gradually corrects itself as the baby's brain and opthalmic nerves develop. Babies are born with cortical blindness. So brain development is important. You didn't state at what month your strabismus autocorrected, so I can deduce if it was pathologic or physiologic
3. Pastors do what we call 'cold' or 'hot reading to deceive gullible members. You can read it up online.
So give more info on your illness

Dtruthspeaker:
I believe your people have finished mapping out the brain, yet they did not find that elusive 6th sense.

But o, antiGod can not accept the alternative.

There's no 6th sense. Its pseudoscientific

Dtruthspeaker:
Why do you ask patients "how do you feel/what is wrong with you?"
Why don't you connect your machines to a person and then say to them "you have food poisoning, typhoid, malaria and syphilis."

In making a diagnosis, you need subjective(patient) input and objective(investigations like labs, radio etc) inputs.
I don't understand how this particularly impacts on our discourse

LordReed:
You said clairvoyance and telepathy are nothing spiritual so I want to know if you have any evidence that these are actual phenomena. If you don't have just say you don't have, it's not an attempt to argue or anything of the sort.

I don't know who Athos Salomé is. Nostradamus' writings are only interpreted retrospectively. If you have his writings tell us one thing he predicted that is yet to occur so we can keep it in view.

He's a psychic

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you prove that you just love lying for everyone experiences out of body experience. That is one of the jolts life gives to people to remind them that they are not in charge of it as they think and wish. So, keep your delusions.

Are you Usually this dumb in real life? I just told you I haven't experienced out of body experience and you still insist that I have experienced it. Do you live inside me? If you don't believe me, take a poll on Nairaland and see how many people would tell you they have experienced it

FRANCISTOWN:
When did I ever say it is anything magical?don't you guys read before you post comments?

I just added it. But long and short is that sixth sense isn't scientifically correct

Dtruthspeaker:
Why are you guys so full of shit? Do we not know our memories again? How many times have we had dreams of things we have never experienced or seen before?

Who has not experienced what is called out of body experience?

The bottom line is that you are exercising your power to delude yourself like Obi's followers saying that Tinubu is not the president.

No, I haven't experienced out of body experiences.
And yes, people on psychedelic drugs/herbs do experience them. Doesn't make them real or spiritual. Its just part of your brain doing stuff under influence of the drugs. Also people who claim to do so, may be lying since til now, nobody has ever proven to actually move out of their bodies.
Again bro. Pity yourself and stay out of scientific arguments. You don't have the arsenal for it

Image123:
In that case, it was probably none of your business. Go and read your Bible if you insist.

Lol. This deflection is world class. Lemme leave you alone.
Next time don't quote fairy tales during serious scientific discourse. Thank you

Image123:
i did not say that they were the same, did i? FOCUS. They both have room for failure. Failure does not mean that any should be dismissed.

Right. Lemme ask you a question.
Can you fly with wings? Yes or no

Image123:
Science, physical processes, clinical surgeries, stocks and trade all fail. Their failure doesn't make them useless or meaningless. Saying some dreams fail,hence dismiss all dreams is fallacious. Get the simple one line point into your head before roaming around aimlessly.

The difference is this.
In science and medicine, they have been studied and we have high success rates. Lemme give example, if I give ACT for 10 patients and only 1 gets cured of malaria, then its deemed failure. And there would be research on why there was treatment failure, better drugs would be researched on to take the place of ACT. That's science.
Another example, if I do appendectomy on a patient with suspected acute appendicitis, and he reports 1 month later with right iliac fossa tenderness. That's a treatment failure. And the patient is re-investigated til a final diagnosis is made. If a diagnosis isn't made, he is referred to a higher center.
Notice in these scenarios, there are procedures and due processes.
If I had a dream and it never comes to pass, what do I do? Is there a mechanism to determine why the dream didn’t come true?
If I keep on dreaming thousands of dreams and only one comes true, would I say dreams come true? Compare it to if I keep on treating 1000 salmonellosis cases with quinolones, and only one gets treated.

Image123:
Ask the person that i sent, reed.

Why are you reflecting? Reed doesn't believe in the stories on your buybull. Please answer the question , or simply say you don't know

MaxInDHouse:
Bible is not yours yet you spent the whole day and night talking about what is written in it.

Ọmọ you're really really dumb o!

Same way you spend days and night over it.
Meanwhile this evasion tactics won't work again.
Again did you do Words and Synonyms in Kindergarten?

johnw47:
most dum and no test-is for truth, atheist

i showed your blindness in my post, i showed that you were wrong, what else was there to reply to,
see how dum you are, you as dum as false jw's

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints


why would i want to chat with a dum atheist as yourself, u r as puffed up as mad max thinking
you are clever when it can be seen just how big a dope you are

Ok. Noted

Dtruthspeaker:
You be serpent true true. People flinch for nothing abi? Or people just sleep and wish to dream nightmares abi? Your lies never end

People dream due to contents of their memory. There's nothing spiritual about it.

Image123:
And what does not fail again? Do physical processes not fail? Do clinical surgeries not fail? Do stocks and trade not fail? Ever heard of accidents? What cannot be wrong? Science and whatever else you worship is wrong and fails woefully every other day so what criteria are you on about?

According to science, bringing hydrogen and oxygen together gives water. Has it proven wrong?
Oh I worship science. At least it provided vaccines that has kept me alive, and cars that helped me move around. Even though it has provided bad stuff, the good stuff outweighs the bad.
Name one thing, this your religion has done for you?

Image123:
If it helps you, why not?

Ok. So what did Joseph etc tell you, bro?