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MaxInDHouse:
He is deceiving himself, that's why i ignored him.
First of all he needs to tell me the founder of his own church, then the life history of the person in question then his questions will be answered satisfactorily.

Of course you're not neutral as you claim since you're not interested in knowing who the founder of his own religion is rather you're just interested in rumours.

The founder of any group means someone on whose thoughts, words and deeds a group is formed so even after such a person has died the legacy will remain as the foundation of the group but in this case your friend is saying something and i want to help you all to see that he's mistaking just to discover that you're not sincere in your findings.

Charles Taze Russell was a member of a group formed in the late 19th century this group was dedicated to finding out how Christianity supposed to be practiced since there are countless religious sects all claiming they're Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines. He became the president or Chairman of that group because the American government doesn't recognize any group without a spokesman and ever since then the group kept making research on the lifestyle, ministry, thoughts, words and actions of a first century Jewish young carpenter named Jesus of Nazareth whatever they discovered or concluded after a thorough research on the scriptures will lead to adjustments in their beliefs.

That's why i keep asking advocatejare to tell us the founder of his own church because i know for sure that he doesn't understand the meaning of that word "FOUNDER" he's just following whatever people say.

So if the teachings and doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses organization keep changing based on what we found in the scriptures regarding the life history, ministry, thoughts, words and actions of Jesus of Nazareth then how do you think Charles Taze Russell who was just a member or spokesperson of the research group the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Are the teachings and doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses based on the life history, ministry, thoughts words and actions of Charles Taze Russell or that of Jesus of Nazareth?

For your information Charles Taze Russell do celebrate his birthday, he was bearing the title PASTOR, he also celebrates Christmas and used the image of cross until his death in 1916 whereas all these have become unscriptural practices among Jehovah's Witnesses today.

So in what way is Charles Taze Russell the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses organization?

Thanks for your time!

Did he come here proclaiming his denomination/sect/organization etc is the best? No. Since you made that declaration then you should defend it. Its very simple. If he comes and says so, my sect is da bomb, then we'll have to examine his claim

livebyday:
Thaw are obvious and not needed to be stated. He said he has been at this for 8 years so surely he knows this. He isn't a Child

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You would be surprised some adults older than him don't know that. Some attribute their attacks to a lot of things

livebyday:
Garlic is better for you start taking it once daily not only whe you have an attack, and you will never need an inhaler again for the rest of your life. Trust me ...

Thank me later.. just ignore the people telling you about the smell. Your life is more important than their feelings.

Start taking garic daily with water first thing in the morning peel it and chew it then drink water before you brush your teeth.

Afterwards brush your mouth for the morning.

Garlic won't stop an asthmatic attack! He should stay away from the triggers

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
We can't skip anything until we both agree first that's how to settle issues.
So what is your understanding of the idiom "FRUIT"?

I know you're not neutral as you claim but i'm not going to drag that with you, you're not discussing with churchgoer my guy you're discussing with one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

So let's agree on what Jesus meant by "FRUIT"

Since you're accusing me of not being neutral, I leave you to your device.
By the way, advocatejare's question needs an answer

MaxInDHouse:
Bringing them together for what purpose?

For the purpose you stated

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmm so you mean a person who has never read or heard about the Bible will know what Jesus meant by FRUIT even if such a person hasn't studied the Bible to know what he meant by FRUIT?

Well there are many fruit sellers in the market perhaps we should start examining different fruits in the market!

Ọmọ no matter how intelligent you are a Bible student will prove to be 100 times smarter than you!

I have read the bible and I know the fruit. So we can skip this part. Again I ask, is it only your organization that do that?

Whalis:
The preacher hasn't traveled outside Nigeria.
She would have known that there are parts of earth that without wearing trousers the cold would freeze the lady wearing just skirt.

… and most Scottish men would go to hell

richie240:
For d purpose of this argument, let's assume she lied.
Did d bible that forbade women putting on trousers also lie too?

What defines male and female clothing?
Do a research on this and get back to me

MaxInDHouse:
In the first Bible book God explained how a lot happened that led to what mankind is facing today. So to grasp the meaning of certain idioms later used as illustrations in the Bible you must go back to study that first book diligently.
God's word said Adam and Eve ate a certain FRUIT which led to their change in nature and they began growing old, got sickly and died.
What is that FRUIT?
Moreover God's word said there are many other FRUITS in that garden that's good for food too.
So when Jesus later said "By their FRUITS" you will recognize them he was talking about hurtful as in deadly concepts God didn't mastermind but men developed as time goes by.
For instance mankind was to scatter throughout the planet and live in all the geographical locations on it {Genesis 1:27-28} but due to fear of being wiped out with flood some other times they decided to stay in one location and build a tower in which they'll run perhaps God decides to repeat what happened during Noah's time. Genesis 11:4
That's why God confused their language and they scattered throughout the earth each person going with the one that understands his or her language. Genesis 11:6-9
So instead of seeing themselves as one big family racism set in as each is supporting his own dialect with everything they had whether right or wrong.
God promised to unite all right thinking humans under one umbrella so that they can form a global family of peace loving worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
It will be as if they're speaking the same language {Zephaniah 3:9} as they settle their disparities peacefully among themselves! Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3
Whatever religion you find on this planet today you will notice that they're all fetching for members (supporters) of the concept they developed as their religion and ideology about God so as they're fetching for members their FRUIT will determine where they belong whether it's God's doing or man's.
Out of all the religions on this planet the one and only organization that's producing what God foretold in that Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Zephaniah 3:9 is Jehovah's Witnesses.
That's the only religion gathering people from all nations and making them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers where they've settled all their disparities among themselves as if they are speaking the same language.
They're going throughout the earth making disciples and inculcating in them what Christ Jesus commanded to love and pray for their enemies {Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27-28} love their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} and be prepared to die for fellow members if the need arises! John 15:12-13

That's the one and only evidence of Christ's true disciples {John 13:34-35} and everywhere Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed they make disciples {Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8} having this same line of thought! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

That is the FRUIT expected of God's people which no other religion can produce no matter how hard they try they will only catch one tribe or race while people living in other geographical locations on this planet won't even know about them talkless being their member!

You have a way of beating around the bush and losing focus.
Lemme repeat…
Is your organization the only one bringing people of all race, language, caste etc together?

MaxInDHouse:
You're really funny with your "Neutrality"

Do you know the FRUIT expected of worshipers of God during the endtime?

If you don't know it how can you say i err for saying only Jehovah's Witnesses are producing it?

Your bible said by their fruits you shall know then. It didn't specifically say who the 'you' is. That means everyone, irrespective of their religious or non religious leanings should know

BornofGod108:
Her testimony is true believe it

Any reason why I should believe it? Did you check her story out and confirm it?
Have you also heard that people on different religions come up with these stories, each with different versions of their gods. So why is this particular one more credible than those?

MaxInDHouse:
You don't need to just be neutral as you claim and ask each religionist claiming Christian to prove what the FRUIT is then explain how their religion is bearing it.

Mind you the FRUIT is just one unique thing that God planned to achieve with pure worship so it's not FRUITS but one FRUIT.

Jesus is saying each religion has their own fruit that's what he meant when he said:

By their FRUITS (as in different religions) will produce their own kind of fruit but as for God's organization you need to know the type of fruit expected.

You're an atheist and you trust in testable logic that's approved by your own school of thought not just whatever anyone choose to present so if you're truly neutral ask all these people to present the TESTABLE LOGIC Jesus Christ talked about instead of pointing accusing finger at one another. That's nonsense and Ingredient if they truly want to prove they're for Jesus then they must stick to what he said about how to figure out the true religion! Matthew 7:16-18

Again you err.
You said its only your organization that bear this 'fruit', so are you saying other organizations or sects don't have this fruit?

MaxInDHouse:
Of course my group is the one and only true religion on this planet but that's not how to prove it according to God's word which none of them can refute there's nothing any of them can say against my group that's strange among God's people.

So if it's about proving that my group is the one and only true religion then we must follow the testable logic given by the founder of Christianity himself: Jesus Christ.

According to Jesus it's not about what happens to imperfect humans that we are to determine the one and only true religion rather it's about a certain FRUIT expected of God's organization {Matthew 7:16} so if they're ready let's get to work by reading, studying, meditating and judging from the viewpoint of Jesus Himself!

Lemme oblige you for a moment, and agree with you. So its only your organization that exhibit these 'fruits'?

MaxInDHouse:
You're still deceiving yourself!

How many different sects are claiming pentecostal?
I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses!
Let him come out clean by mentioning the name of his own church then a cross examination can start!

To be honest, he doesn't need to. Remember you have been claiming your sect is the best thing after sliced bread. He hasnt made any of such claims concerning his own sect. So since you made the claim, then you have to defend it by answering his questions and staking your claim. Basic logic.
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TenQ:
Didn't Scientific studies claimed that Sophia's software program evolved overbillions of years : I don't get it!

Since you are not inclined in showing me evidence of this 'scientific studies' you've been yammering about(despite me showing you data that you're wrong), I'll assume you have nothing else to say to further this discourse. Have a nice day then

Gospelpreacher1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gKv74iab9I

At least if they want to lie, they should hire doctors to write the lies. They are so obvious.
Is Muoka this poor?

MaxInDHouse:
If you're truly a neutral observer as an atheist you should first ask the one asking to tell you the name of his own church, the founder and doctrines since there are many different sects claiming Christians and there is contradictions among them!

You have a point there, but I assume he's probably a pentecostal considering the leanings of his posts. But concerning his questions, even a blind man can see you're seriously dodging them. Why don't you come clean

MaxInDHouse:
You're a neutral observer yet an atheist who is interested in religious arguments.
Ọmọ try to be consistent, if you want to worship ask for the true religion and if you're not interested nobody will force you!

Mutual in the sense that I support neither of you. Both of you are theists in your own rights, thus I'm not biased towards any religion or sect.
So take your true religion bullshit and stick it up where the sun don't shine

MaxInDHouse:
If you have any question you're free to ask me on my thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/6589422/study-bible-jehovahs-witnesses
The OP is an atheist and if you're also an atheist let me know!

Does it matter? Does your answer depend on the religious leanings of the OP? Besides the question wasn't asked by the OP but a theist, so please answer them

waleolaniyan:
I read through parts of your arguments you called Bible Gaffes. Your objective from onset is subjective and bias in approach because it is the gaffes you were looking for and you haven't find enough, as more than what you penned are still lingering.

When you set bias in research you had already failed. A researcher must be objective with strong critiquing disposition so his work could attract a wide range of acceptance.

If I were you I won't stop on the gafes, but makes an honest probe why they exist, and that will be more appreciated.

For example I you argues God wanted Isreal to circumcise every male, but Paul wrote in Galatians that Circumcision is nothing. This singular lack of understanding of basic bible exegesis expresses much ignorance on Bible Interpretation.

My advice, to be upbeat in your knowledge of the bible you have to read books on bible Interpretation. There could be little variance in timing and writers' perspective that bring scholastic reverences to the bible, but never is anywhere the bible contradicts itself in context, and progressive revelations based on God's plan for man and order of events.

Good job though, but really needs your objectivity, and removal of biases to have a sound theologically inclined arguments. Sincerely, most sound theologian will just laugh at your gafes like a baby who is learning to flex his/her fingers learning how to scribble freely on a slate. No meaning!

Sorry for the late reply. I have been away from my darling thread.
Now here's my deductions from your answers.
1. Is a supposedly divinely inspired book supposed to have any gaffes? I mean it was inspired by an all-knowing, all-powerful etc god and yet what he can come up is such a disaster of a book? A book he wants to guide his creations? Think.
2. Your assumptions that since I'm looking for gaffes then I'll definitely see them is wrong. A gaffe is a gaffe, whether it looked for them or they jumped at me.
3. About Pauls contradictions with Yahweh's order, isn't Paul supposed to be speaking the mind of Christ? How come he's saying opposites to what Christ wants?
4. Your verbal gymnastics won't take you anywhere. Can you explain the ones that are out of contexts.
5. The worse is these aren't even the main gaffes. If you are so interested, I have the main gaffes that would truly amaze you

MaxInDHouse:
OK inferiority is your problem!

Ọmọ all the churches around you are claiming the same thing but it's a pity that you're deaf spiritually speaking otherwise you should know by now that if they are in agreement there is no reason splitting the church using different ideologies to draw followers.
Whatever makes Kumuyi, Adeboye, Oyedepo, Olukoya, Oyakilome, TB Joshua and many more to have halls in the same street it simply means each is trying to prove he's own is best but only Jehovah's Witnesses have what it takes to PROVE it that's why you're feeling really bad but the truth is all of them are against one another otherwise they supposed to be worshiping together as one!

As a neutral observing this argument between you n advocatejare, I think you're dodging too many questions. Just answer him

TenQ:
Brute force vs sense: choose which is Intelligence in operation?

Can you explain what intelligence is? You seem to dodge this question

TenQ:
LOL!
The Ant are even more intelligent!

Whats your definition of intelligence, kind sire?

TenQ:
There was no writing in existence billions of years ago. All the scientists did in 2016 was to switch on the robot. No one programmed it

If you cannot show me your links about your wild claims, I'm afraid, that's the end of our convo. I'm kinda busy

TenQ:
Let me help you out ,

Did the lifting of the carcass off the lip of the pot look like Intelligence OR a brute strength in action to you?

Oh Flying Spaghetti Monster!
What stupid intelligence is that?!
If their feet had sticky cups and their exoskeletons are light, then that's bread and butter to them.
Did you land on your head as a baby?

TenQ:
Didn't Scientific studies claimed that Sophia's software program evolved overbillions of years : I don't get it!

Can you show me the link where they made the claim , if you don't mind?
By the way, Sophia was first activated on Valentines Day, February 14, 2016

Look TenQ, I'm not an entomologist so some ignorance is allowed. But knowledge these days is getting decentralized and demystified. So instead of god-of-the-gap, while not actually use a lil bit of that 'god-given' brain of yours and doing a bit of researching.
Most of my knowledge of animals come from watching Nature, NatGeo Wild and other nature media

TenQ:
So it wasnt from the Amazon forest!?
Did it no program itself over billions of years?

Did you read my deposition, or you just feel like ignorance is your motto today?

TenQ:
And recent knowledge says that the ants can carry an infinite mass of a weight!

See why you will CERTAINLY fail this exam?

The Ants IQ seems higher than yours (no offence) as you still cannot see beyond brute strength!

No ants can't carry infinite weight. Did you even bother to read the link or you're bent on exposing more ignorance this fine morning?

TenQ:
Brute strength isn't everything bro!

This is why you are the classic example of the atheist that will fail this exam. Did you see how they carried the gecko over the lip of the flower pot?

I bet you never saw the technicalities they surmounted!

Sticky feet!
Arolia are located between the claws at the tip of every ant foot. These balloonlike pads allow ants to defy gravity and crawl on ceilings or ultrahard surfaces like glass. When an ant walks up a wall or across a ceiling, gravity causes its claws to swing wide and pull back.

The above combined with their exoskeleton structure allowed them to carry the gecko.
Any other questions, sire?

TenQ:
I was told that Sophie the AI Robot was found in the Amazon forest about 210 years ago: and no one programmed it. Isn't it amazing?

Sophia is a social humanoid robot developed by the Hong Kong-based company Hanson Robotics. Sophia was activated on February 14, 2016, and made its first public appearance in mid-March 2016 at South by Southwest in Austin, Texas, United States.

Copied.
Your ignorance is simply mind-boggling