gisevak: Is it possible that there are aspects of reality that are beyond the scope of current scientific understanding? How do you respond to the idea that atheism itself is a belief system, and how do you justify its claims?
What do you mean by 'belief system'? Atheism simply means no belief in a god or supreme being or supernatural. There is no belief system, sire
gisevak: Is it possible that our limited human understanding and scientific knowledge may not fully explain the mysteries of existence? Does Science claim have answer to all questions?
Science hasn't and would never claim knowledge of everything. It only attempts to know. Science tends to improve on itself regularly. But it doesn't acknowledge the supernatural. Lemme explain. In medical science, if a patient presents to me and says, "Oh, I have a big hump on my back, please cut it off" and has no such hump, do I say, "Oh there is no physical evidence of the presence of this hump, however, let me assume there may be a hump since we can't see it physically but spiritually it may be there"? No. Why? Because science(medical science in this case) doesn't care about your spiritual bullshit. I can bundle that patient to the psyche ward and manage him for schizophrenia. That's how we roll. Thank you
Scientists can't check for supernatural since they don't have the skills or equipments for it. So do you have the skills and equipments for researching the supernatural?
KnownUnknown: Reading this, one wouldn’t know this clown swears by Hebrew mythology and bullshit.
That's why I said s/he should say yes or no, and not all those long talk. S/he dey change mouth like kilode. Next thing she'll say that is not what she meant. She's truly a Junkie. That her moniker is a Freudian slip
iamrealdeji: That's what Christianity does to people. If I was Christian and studied philosophy too,I probably would have been atheist if I hadn't known Islam. Bible and Christianity is full of loopholes and lies that would make a reasonable person think there is no God. How can you tell me a woman got pregnant and gave birth to God and son of God at the same time. Now,that God ate,slept,did everything human does,even once got to a tree he wanted to pluck from and didn't know if there were fruits from which he was expected to know if he was God or God lives in him. That same God reached age 33 and he was held like a criminal and he couldn't rescue himself. Until he was crucified and killed,a whole God that created trillions upon trillions of stars in one galaxy out of uncountable galaxies and a star being bigger than the sun which is 1.3million times bigger than the earth can't save himself from people he created? He was in Jesus and can't save himself from those people? If I question it,you would tell me I need holy spirit to understand. Anything that is difficult to understand or not straight forward is fake. Whoever wrote this rubbish in bible should be arrested for blasphemy. Christianity is based on blasphemy. If you claim Prophet Jesus is God's son,can you sacrifice your son to wipe away the sins of some people? Does God need anybody's blood to forgive? God isn't a ritualist, that's blasphemy. The writers of bible stuck the mindset of Idol worship in their brains. Chief Tele of a prominent town in Nigeria here is sent to carry sacrifice that may be human beings to a forest to wipe away the sins of the people of the community because they're Idol worshippers and that's what they believe in. There are many Muslim sociologists,philosophers and scientists that stronger in their Islamic faith because there are so many facts in Quran that correlate with science,also Prophet. Muhammad ﷺ 's hadiths and science and numerous numerical miracles in Quran that would make you realize Islam is the only way and make you 100% sure there is God and that's why Islam is world's fastest growing religion. I don't blame these guys,they would rather stay at home than go to some churches some pastors would collect large part of their hard earned money and they claim it's like that in bible,meaning that business oriented people wrote bible. Now,pastors own Private Jets,Rolls Royces. I've never seen any Imam with Private Jet. These philosophers don't know what to read out of the very many versions of bible. Christians worship the man they idolize which makes it Idol worship and they would still claim Idol worship is bad,Buddha was a good man like Christ and Buddhism was formed and named after him just like Christianity was named after Christ,it's totally man made and Idol worship. Buddha,Ogun,Jesus,Sango,Ganesha,Krishna worshippers have their statues and pictures they pray to because they're idol worshippers,the others admit they're idol worshippers but Christians fail to accept and instead package their faith,that's hypocrisy. Change christians,Jesus was a Prophet of God and not God,he was Muslim because he worshipped one God and never told anybody to call him God,stop reading lies some humans wrote,all major prophets have extraordinary miracles. In fact,Prophet Muhammad ﷺ did more miracles than Prophet Jesus and yet said any body that dares call him God like they did Prophet Jesus is going straight to hell. These are some of his miracles https://islamhashtag.com/15-miracles-of-prophet-muhammad/ Even during the birth of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ,more than 10 great miracles occured that have never been seen. Christians,change!!! God Punished Judas by giving him Jesus'appearance because you can't betray God's messenger and go scott-free. Judas was the one that was arrested and crucified,not Jesus. If Shina Rambo and armed robbers can take form of other people,how can't God who owns all the power do that? Prophet Jesus was never crucified or killed, Allah's great Prophet would never be killed like a chicken like that,God took him to heaven,Prophet Muhammad ﷺ saw Prophet Jesus in heaven when he ascended to heaven to meet God during his Miraj. He even discribed Prophet Jesus' appearance on his return,that's a story for another day. Muslims even like Prophet Jesus more than Christians do,If you live someone,you act and dress like him,If a Muslim is going to mosque,he would put on Jalabia like Prophet Jesus,a Christian would never wear Jalabia to Church. Muslims wash themselves with water and touch their head on the ground to one God and bow to one God like Prophet Jesus because Prophet Jesus was muslim. Muslims grow their beards like Prophet Jesus,christians would shave it,Muslim women wear hijab like Prophet Jesus'mother but a christian woman would never wear hijab to Church trying to look like Prophet Jesus'mother,all they want from Prophet Jesus' is use him to get to Paradise after so many sins. Lazy people that can't serve God by Praying 5 times a day want shortcut,easy way out. Prophet Muhammad ﷺ went to God and collected 5 daily prayers and God sent Angel Gabriel to him when he got to back to earth to teach him properly and make it more defined and organized than the way previous prophets used to pray it. Christians,try to pray it,be humble,stop singing and dancing and clapping to God,put your heads on the floor for God God never told anybody to sing and dance because music is devil's instrument,that's why christian women dance with their boobs and ass shaking,giving men erection,God would never be part of that or have anything to do with devil's instrument. You even worship without washing your body,urinate without washing and still pray?God may accept your prayers because he said it in Suratul Fathia. Even wishes of atheists get granted by God. Everything non-muslims do in this world,they would get the rewards in this world,they may get healings,wealth and all that but not in the afterlife. And yet upon that,Muslims are the richest in history with no much stress because of our powerful Quranic verses. Mensah Musa is the richest man of all time and was Muslim. Prophet Solomon worshipped one God which makes him Muslim. Saudi Royal family are richer than Elon Musk,MBS is richer than Musk,they're muslims. Aliko Dangote is a Muslim,Al-Hassan Dantata was a Muslim. The Golf Arab countries are the richest regions in the world because they're the places Prophet Muhammad ﷺ was born and spent his life. His blessed self was born in Saudi Arabia,Saudi has Aramco,world's richest company. He stepped his blessed feet around Golf Arabian deserts,his blessings went through to neghboring countries like Dubai,Kuwait,Abu Dhabi,Qatar,Bahrain,Oman,etc Your worship style and human worship is totally invalid,you're just wasting your money on pastors instead of you to give directly to people as God instructed in Quran. God sent Prophet Muhammad ﷺ to all you human worshippers,Krishna,Buddha,Ogun,Jesus,Sango,etc worshippers to worship only one God. Repent now and stop implicating Jesus before God by calling him God because in Quran,Jesus will get asked by God "Did you tell them to worship you and your mother? and he would say no and deny christians like bad market. If you say Jesus isn't God but you're still a christian,just convert to Islam and pray five times a day to God because that's what Islam is based on,believing there is only one God and Jesus was just a prophet. God said his punishment is very tough and human worshippers are going to hell 🔥🔥🔥🔥,there reward is in this world and their prayers can only get answered in this world because God does that to create a balance. Even atheists get blessed in this world which is very short. But hereafter,God's punishment is severe to human worshippers. Don't tell me about terrorism and all that. In Islam,If you intentionally kill a human being of any religion,the sin is equal to that of killing the all human beings. All religions have terrorists,Hitler,Napoleon,Josef Stalin,etc were Christians and the biggest terrorists ever. Don't tell me about Prophet Muhammad ﷺ marrying a lady so young,bring a verse that says that in Quran which is the only scripture of Islam. Hadith writers are humans,there are many incorrect accounts of hadiths and even if Prophet Muhammad ﷺ married a young lady,it's Common in those days for men to marry young ladies and those ladies grew way more mature than ladies of now and even prophet didn't have anything with her,he left her to mature enough before anything. Mary had Jesus at age 12. Most christian teenage girls are on family planning already today and already turned to harlots before age 15 because they marry late. The Chrisland girl is just 10 years and from a good Christian home. *Islam is world's fastest growing religion according to google. *Prophet Muhammad ﷺ was named as the most influential and greatest man to ever exist according to google and several christian authors. *Prophet Muhammad can solve all the problems of this world while just drinking a cup of coffee. *Prophet Muhammad's name is mentioned billions of times daily and he's prayed for by billions of people worldwide daily. If you're hating in him,deal with it, someone who is the greatest is the greatest
Lol. This is a classic example of pot calling kettle black. I dont even know where to start. I hope OP is just trolling. Its too funny to be serious. Lol
As long as you're truly open minded to reason about faith in God Christianity is the one and only true religion but the activities of false religionists claiming Christians have blurred the senses of people like you from seeing the light. I was a Muslim before i became one of the true Christians: Jehovah's Witnesses If you and i should sit together to reason about faith in God you will be surprised to see hidden treasures in real Christianity not what Arabs infused in the minds of our people only to make them worship their black stone in Mecca!
Another definition pulled out from his rich and ever resourceful ass. All hail the MadMax
Wilgrea7: The second part of this doesn't make sense.
If I don't believe in the existence of a deity, then my actions are not based on what the unknown hypothetical deity approves or forbids. That doesn't mean I go out and specifically do what said supposed deity forbids.
It means the opinions (positive or negative) of an entity whose existence is unknown to me, has no bearing on the thought process that guides my actions.
I hope I've been able to simplify it enough for you
MadMax engine does not run on logic. You're wasting time
Kobojunkie: Now you resort to rambling... what trap are you yapping about now.
I made clear from about my 3rd or 4th post to you that subjective data is not meant to be believed or trusted --- consistently pointed out you have to be high on something to expect me to believe or trust in any experience that I never had myself. Now you resort to twisting the conversation to make it seem we were into some argument? Abegi Waka pass me with that nonsense!
No. You would have simply said yes or no when I asked you . I know how you roll. You can change positions in a twinkling of an eye
KnownUnknown: First you prove that there is no leprechaun sitting on his shoulder.
That's how mental cases start. We have patients in psyche wards telling us physicians that there are higher beings sending them on errands. And that we can't see them. One of them insisted that he'd stand up throughout the night as instructed, and the nigga did! Stood up like a statue. Now a nigga here on Nairaland is telling me some supernatural can exist and that the burden of proof lies with me, not him. SMH
gisevak: I have appropriate information to know that you are not sitting beside me physically!!! Have scientists proven that supernatural phenomena do not exist? On what basis do you reject supernatural phenomena? Is it by what you read in books or what you were?
Ok. We're getting warm. So you have no evidence that I'm beside you spiritually. So you don't know. Do you believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world? And he did it in just 2 minutes?
gisevak: I think you're here to score cheap points. I don't think you understand my point. I think it is illogical to draw conclusions without verifiable facts and to reject the supernatural. Please read everything I have mentioned and learn. It seems that your idea of supernatural is tied exclusively to the religious idea. Prove to me that there are no supernatural phenomena.
This is just like a theist saying “prove to me there is no god" which is a bullshit question. He who alleges must provide evidence. And what idea of supernatural is outside religion? It looks like your scientific knowledge is poor. For you to insinuate that dreams, sleep, gravity etc are supernatural suggests how much knowledge you lack
Kobojunkie: Now you resort to rambling... what trap are you yapping about now.
I made clear from about my 3rd or 4th post to you that subjective data is not meant to be believed or trusted --- consistently pointed out you have to be high on something to expect me to believe or trust in any experience that I never had myself. Now you resort to twisting the conversation to make it seem we were into some argument? Abegi Waka pass me with that nonsense!
So why was it very difficult for you to come out and say yes or no? What is more difficult? Typing this lengthy reply or simply saying yes or no? Why scared?
Kobojunkie: What reason is there for me to believe it?
Lol. I feel your pain at getting caught in your own trap. All these deflections won't work. Next time, don't get into arguments with me if you cannot reason properly. Ciao
jaephoenix: This is my own confession too. I swear it happened. I was in the spirit minding my own business when a hand dragged into into the depths of the ocean. I think Atlantic Ocean by the size. I felt I was gonna drown and was struggling til I felt peace. Then I opened my eyes to a glorious sight. Lucifer himself seated on a sparkling throne with his angels surrounding him. He asked me what I was doing there. Told him I don't know. Then he beckoned to me to follow him. I was initially afraid but was like, whats the worst thing that can happen? Went with him and he showed me the world just like he showed Jesus. He said all this is mine. I rule eternally. He said if I worship him, I'll rule with him. I asked him if I would die again. He said no. I told him I agree. Then his angels gave me clothes of shimmery light(I was butt naked) and I wore it and became dazzling like them.
MindHacker9009: You are the one babbling and just pretending the supernatural does not exist when you've seen women screaming of visions while praying and you think they are just playing.
And right now I'm screaming my lungs off in a vision. I see that you'll die tomorrow. Take heed
MindHacker9009: Because I had a first hand experience with a strong white garment member was why I have mentioned them, but the truth is that any strong church member is deep into the supernatural unless the person is just naive as all church in Nigeria are from white garment churches or missionary churches who themselves are into to supernatural too like from the video and from the photo of wat if under the first official church that all churches decended from today.
MindHacker9009: I'm not scared but I'm just not naive anymore that people cannot communicate with the supernatural, which makes me to now beleive this confession below:
Here is a confession by a pastor called chidubem okwu who narrated his life story of how he was initiated into occultism by his General Overseer senior friend and mentor. He talked of how he went to the Bar Beach in Lagos one night and slept with a mermaid physically and thereafter the mermaid made the sign of the cross on her head touching her vagina the mermaid left me went to the general overseer and brought out a golden cross and chain from her stomach and wore it on the neck of the general overseer who gave her some money the mermaid thanked him and went back to the sea. And from then on he too began to operate in powerful “gifts” of “touch and fall”, “look and follow”etc. The only thing the mermaid told him was that he had to renew the power once a month by sleeping with a virgin and married women.
This is my own confession too. I swear it happened. I was in the spirit minding my own business when a hand dragged into into the depths of the ocean. I think Atlantic Ocean by the size. I felt I was gonna drown and was struggling til I felt peace. Then I opened my eyes to a glorious sight. Lucifer himself seated on a sparkling throne with his angels surrounding him. He asked me what I was doing there. Told him I don't know. Then he beckoned to me to follow him. I was initially afraid but was like, whats the worst thing that can happen? Went with him and he showed me the world just like he showed Jesus. He said all this is mine. I rule eternally. He said if I worship him, I'll rule with him. I asked him if I would die again. He said no. I told him I agree. Then his angels gave me clothes of shimmery light(I was butt naked) and I wore it and became dazzling like them.
Christianity Etc › Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by jaephoenix(m): 3:29pm On Sep 09, 2023
