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triplechoice:
Don't bother to ask him

He doesn't know what it means.

Even the atheist label he has given himself ,he cannot explain it clearly without running to Wikipedia like his friends .

You still have a pending question from me. What was I pretending to be? Till you answer that you're a fraud and a biatch

Workch:
How is agnosticism a joke?

Lets start with the OP.
Do you think he's agnostic?

Maynman:
Just Try call it “deistic god”, workch Will believe it.

Noted. Next time I'll rephrase

Maynman:
And here comes the believer that is agnostic about a “Creator” called “god” but not agnostic about a Creator call “dragon” 😂

I was deeply hurt. seriously butt hurt that some beings doubt the existence of my Dragon

Workch:
I see atheists are here already causing problems.

Youre welcome to the mayhem, honcho

KnownUnknown:
Same goes for these “agnostics”.

Nah. Those dudes are theists or deists. Its a spectrum. The OP lies on the theist side of that spectrum while Workch, Wilgrea, Triplechoice,A001 are spread out with Wilgrea tilting towards the most athestic extreme.
Agnostism is a joke of a word

Negroid001:
Okay. Mr know all.

...neither did I in any way say I know everything. Looks like your label of your brain being a sponge is false after all. You never did ask any questions about the different opinions posted here. You just assume we are all wrong.
An open mind questions everything. If I see any irrefutable evidence of the existence of a god or ghdfksl;s, I would dump atheism. But til date I haven't, so I'm still stuck in my atheistic rut

Negroid001:
Me i no dey argue.
I believe in a higher authority.
Higher intelligence.

You not agreeing is none of my business.

Therein lies our answer.
Youre not a theist sympathizer. You just don't believe in other gods but yours.
Therefore, Youre a full blown theist.

Negroid001:
That's why it's called Agnosticism. I learn everyday. My head is like a sponge. My views are open to corrections. I'm not rigid like an Atheist or Religious fanatic.
The fact you used a negative word shows your core belief was questioned. The principles i believe in work for me.
I don't give a damn about your beliefs. I even encouraged yours that it inspired me to share my views.

the highlighted phrases are opposites.
Youre simply confused

triplechoice:
You really have been triggered and now in your element . All your swear words and name calling are evidences of your frustration.
Next time don't quote me if you are not ready for serious discussion.

You were calling me out that I refused to answer your question ,and since I answered , nothing reasonable as come out it , but your usual empty and wayward talk .

In any case ,I have given you a vital info . Atheist have a suicide problem whether you believe it or not . There is an explanation why it's so. Go learn about it .

Prevention is better than cure so they say .

Other informed atheist are aware of the problem , and creating awareness with taking practical steps to deal with it.
But you are here on Nairaland living in denial .

The article you reference is saying a different thing and doesn't directly deal with the problem atheist are facing .
So I wonder why you brought it.

You went searching for anything to support what you want to believe .

Goodluck . I wish you well not suicide .

Lol. Looks who's talking about name calling?
I made a post. The post wasnt even directed at anyone, not even you. It wasn't even a reply or reply to anyone. Just my observation.
Suddenly you jumped in. Calling me a liar, quack etc. Out of the blues! I retaliated, and now you're screaming and playing the victim? Lets assume I'm not a medic and I made that post. You don't know me and I don't know you. So you have no rights to name-call anyone.
Please tell me what I'm pretending to be. I want to know that one.
About the suicide ish, I told you you're a liar and backed it with real scientific research from a reliable source. I was expecting same from you. So who's the quick now? Biatch!
Addedum:
Actually the article in question talked about the perceived or wrong notion that religion protects against suicide ideation or actions. And you have that wrong notion. So why I posted it is to show you suicide cuts across all walks of life. Its not particularly high in atheistic societitis because many factors contribute to suicides

triplechoice:
Then why not be clear about what you do . Everything ended with you in that post of yours . You never talked of referral. Go back and read what you wrote . You liar .

You also wanted to create the false narrative that only religious people are prone to seeing things because of their beliefs .
What of the irreligious who come to you ?

Why no mention of them ?

Go sleep . You know nothing

I said ,you are pretending to be what you are not . I never said you were a mental health practitioner .You can never be that .

And I still doubt you are any kind of doctor . I have friends who are medical doctors both in Nigeria and overseas .

You don't come close at all when I compare the things they explain to me with some of things you post here .

You are like a ' cut and nail doctor " nothing more .

Place the address of your hospital here let come and confirm for my myself so I shut up.

Your choice of words exposes you . You are more at home with gutter language than the medical terminology those in the medical profesion are known to use all the time .

How can you read medicine for all that period and after the years you have spent practicing ,you still sound like an 'agbero '

You are deceiving yourself .

Modified . Your last comments shows you know nothing . Atheist commiting suicide from mental illnesses is not the same with religious fanatics doing so from indoctrination , and that doesn't happen all the time .

Go do your reaserch and come back to tell me what I said about atheists and suicides is not true . Don't assume .

1. Bro, if you can read properly I wrote generally about some patients, I wasnt specific about any. Some psychiatric cases are neurotic like anxiety disorders, you simply manage them. Some that are psychotic, you give antipsych and refer. Did I tell you the particular diagnosis? So why are you so sure I should have referred them? Are you daft?
2. Again, you're crazier by the second. When did I say psychosis is restricted to religious folks? I simply talked about the thought and hallucinatory contents of the religious folks.
3. [b]So what am I pretending to be, dear sire? [/b]Please I need you to answer this lemme prove you to be an ignorant liar
4. I dont care if you think am a physician or not. I really don't a dangling fuckc. Lol. Post my address in a faceless and public forum? Are you nuts? Why dont you post yours? I'll come myself and meet you
5. Atheists commit suicide. Theists commit suicide. And stop picking your data from ignoramuses like you. Visit scientific or in this case, medical journals or sites.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7310534/

4. You also have no idea how medical referral system works. Any doctor or physician can manage any case(and I mean any case). You only refer to specialists or consultants where you feel you have exhausted your knowledge. That's why we spent 6 years or more in the first medical degree called MBBS(in this part of the world) which means Bachelor or Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery. My school call it MBBCh. So yes, I can see psychiatric cases that present to me before referral. In highly advanced medical countries like the US etc, psychiatric cases quickly present to psychiatrists as a first call. This is unlike poorly resourced countries like ours.
And yes, I can develop interest in psychiatry without being a psychiatrist. It simply means I have more knowledge of psychiatric cases. And no, I'm not a psychiatrist, and I have never called myself one, either here or anywhere. If you have any evidence of me doing otherwise, do present it, or shut that stinking ignorant piehole of yours.
5. Lol. There is so much Google can help especially in a highly rarefied and specialized field like medicine. Google may even give you wrong data. So you can go suck a dicck or something. Ah, yes, I don't talk like a doctor. Actually you aint the first to say it, nor probably the last: the internet is littered with dimwits like you that don't know doctors are more or less like regular folks. There's no special 'doctor speak'.
6. About atheism and suicides all I would tell you is you're a prime clown. Are those Muslim extremists that blow themselves to bits atheists?

triplechoice:
It's not the fault of science but your inability as a medical doctor to diagnose properly your patients to know what is responsible for what they claim to see.

If you can detect the cause, then you proceed to treat, if not, wait until you know before doing anything. You don't just start administering drugs anyhow which they may not even need.

Ordinary lack of sleep, or cerebral malaria can make people see things ,even to the extent of seeing what they think is a god. In such a situation it's not their religion that's responsible ,but an underlying health condition which has brought on such visions or delusions.

Once the cause is addressed everything returns to normal.

And it's very unethical of you as a medical doctor to mock anyone for their mental health challenges anywhere no matter what. Psychiatric doctors are not known for that. Well ,it may happen in Nigeria, but elsewhere very rare.

Most of your patients, if you are actually what you claim to be, I think you are a quack, sees you as the only person they can talk to about their condition since you have presented yoursellf as the only who can make them make sense of what they are currently experiencing .Family members and friends would certainly have been avoiding them because if it.

So imagine if one of them happens to be here on nairaland reading how you actually feel about them, what do you think would be running through their minds now, and their reaction when next they come to you?

See, you are pathological liar who forgets the things he has said in the past.

Before now, you admitted you only had interest in psychiatric medicine ,and you were another kind of doctor.

Forgetting that, you now want to present yourself as a psychiatric doctor.

You really need help.

You cannot deceive everyone about what you're not.

You don't sound like a doctor, but someone who relies on google and paste to pretend.

Modified. Atheist are not free from seeing things. Theirs is even worse . They just cannot handle it and commit suicide easily.
Go and check the stats. Atheist are more prone to committing suicide from mental illnesses than anyone other group.

So don't celebrate yet

I didnt want to reply this whole assed ignoramus post but I realized there are many folks like you. And for some reason, Nairaland isn't allowing my post, probably because of its length so I'll have to split it
So here goes…
1. So if a patient presented to you complaints of audiovisual hallucinations or delusions of persecutions, say he tells you the statue in his sitting room is telling him to kill his mother, that she is responsible for his failure, you(as a physician) would oblige him and take the statue and examine it for speech abilities since , right? Don't worry you can always take up your case to the psychiatrist journals and hear what they say. Lol
I hope you know those hallucinations may be due to drugs(pharmacologic) or psychosis(pathologic). What do you think is the cause of mass murders in the US and other countries?
2. True, insomnia can cause hallucinations in extreme cases. And yes, religion can influence what people hallucinate about. It contributes to the prefrontal cortex 'images'. Lemme give you an example. A typical African hallucinations involves religious contents like messages etc. Unlike a typical American hallucinatory content.
And no, we don't always give insomniacs antipsychotics.
3. So if I narrate my clinical experience, it translates to mocking my patients? Even if the patient reads a case similar to his or hers, they won't know it's me. My name isn't anywhere on this post, neither is my picture etc here.
Obviously you haven't interfaced with any psychiatrist or even physician because if you do you'll know we relate our experiences. You have no idea how the doctor-patient confidentiality works. I can talk about any case to anyone. Only caveat is I don't talk about the name or any particulars or identities of the patient. Doctors have social media handles where we talk to the world about any case we experience. But not the name. Your little brain didn’t know that.
Everyday you see people talk all sorts about doctors and hospitals on social media. Mostly lies. But we can't counter them on such lies, even if its defamation because doing so(explaining to the populace what went down etc) is breaking the doctor-patient confidentiality and MDCN can have your licence for it. That same patient can turn around and sue you(the doc or hospital) for leaking details to the public (even though you're defending yourself)

You know, as a physician, I get many patients telling me they hear from gods, and that they see and walk with them always. We usually slap labels of schizophrenia, delirium tremens etc on them and put such patients on antipsychotics and sometimes for extreme therapies.
Oddly enough, that's exactly what many pastors and Christians claim: see God, talk and walk with him etc. But the same physicians and psychiatrists that prescribed antipsychotics, would bow before such pastors and envy them.
Maybe I shouldn't be hasty in smacking those antipsychotics on those patients. I should just research and find out if they are actually seeing and hearing things. Maybe medicine and science has been wrong all this while.
Religion plays tricks on us all .

KnownUnknown:
I was going to ask someone to provide evidence against the Leprechaun sitting on my shoulder. Then the Leprechaun said, “that is fucking retarded; why would you ask someone to provide “evidence against”, shouldn’t you be the one providing evidence that I’m sitting on your shoulder?!”

Very apt.
Especially if its a supreme being. Its evidence would be too glaring to miss, it would be everywhere. So there would be no excuse to deny its existence

Workch:
So they are saying that they know right that warmholes exist?

Evidence is knowledge, if there's no evidence then no knowledge.
They don't have to say it that they don't know, whether or not they say it l, if evidence for or against warmholes don't exist, they don't know it.

Atheism is odd, it's like theism

But you and your agnostic gang were quick to dismiss my claims of existence of the dragon. You didn't do any research whatsoever. Not even a question about its properties or attributes. You dumped all of it into the trash can. I feel hurt

Workch:
I will be schooling you bit by bit.

Someone makes a claim that a warmhole exist, it's a claim. Nobody is saying "no I don't believe it" in science. Every astrophysicist is either working to find evidence for it or against it. Until either of it surfaces, it will be stupid to say that you don't believe in warmholes.

Lemme rephrase….
Someone makes a claim that a warmhole Dragon exist, it's a claim. Nobody is saying "no I don't believe it" in science. Every astrophysicist human is either working to find evidence for it or against it. Until either of it surfaces, it will be stupid to say that you don't believe in warmholes Dragon(s).

Does this sound familiar?

NB: This your warmhole thingy is getting me all hornyyy. I wonder why

Workch:
I don't know, so why are asking when I don't know? When did I tell you that I know?

But your fellow agnostics say my precious Dragon is bullshit and a 'non-starter'. But I'm dead sure its swirling on your head right now

Workch:
What does a dragon got to do with agnosticism?

Is the dragon a creator?

How do you know it/he/she/they isn't/aren't a creator/s?

triplechoice:
.

I didn't say it's silly idea. I said the question shouldn't be asked in the first place if he knows what he is doing.

There are good reasons to speculate or talk about the source of our universe, and it's why people everywhere have concluded about a God , big bang, or anything else closer to it ,but non whatsoever for flying dragons over people's head.

Tell me ,on what basis is he asking about that? How does it connect to anything tangible that normal people discuss everyday?



Your friend claimed not to ever see a flying dragon or believe in it, and it's also certain he doesn't know of anyone else who has ever seen or believed in it.

If that's the case, why asking another person in the same position as himself to prove why they cannot see what is not there ?

Is that not madness?

Who knows? He probably might be seeing one recently and wants to test if others are begining to see the same thing..Tell him to see a doctor or let him read about the "five whys of insanity" so he stop with the mad talk.

I only responded to him at first because of his mentions that I was running away and also to see if has anything to surprise me with, but non so far and you want to come and defend the craziness. You are jobless really

I think both of you can't stand the thought you might be making a mistake concerning the position you have taken on the matter and because of that wants to drag others who have decided to be neutral.



There are agnostics theist, I know, but I'm not that .So, don't try to use subterfuge to drag me into your usual fight with theists on this board.


This is the last response you will get from me concerning this issue.

You're actually jumping the gun here. All this your hyperventilation is because you cannot prove that there is no red dragon swirling above your head right now. And I insist its there

Aemmyjah:
Is it from dead fossils you'll use to show evolution?
Why can't living organisms evolve into another?
Besides fossil testimony don't add up

How would one determine how ancestors of humans and animals look like if you don't examine and analyze fossils? Is it by examining your grandparent bones that we'll know?
And just so you know, living humans and animals evolve into living beings too.
Do I have to explain this to a 'biologist' too?

Workch:
Your question won't make sense to me until you explain it

Exactly. When you reply, then I explain the correlation, isnt it? But in this case, you went fidgety and didn't the question.

Dtruthspeaker:
O God, how long shall the adversary reproach? Shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever?

Arise o Lord and destroy thy enemies!

He may be sleeping or something. Why don't you email him or better still, call his number
By the way, welcome back from your ban. Hope you learnt a thing or two

Maynman:
The idea of a Virgin giving birth is a very common mythological concept.

Yeah. It started with the Egyptian myths which predated the bible. Horus and Isis, I think

iamjavadem:
Exactly, they are striking because of a doctor that died in an elevator that is already being investigated. Strike that will make patients die, for me it's a self-centered strike.

Did you read the post at all, or are you dyslexic?

Workch:
So can we stick to the god debate? Do derail it with Martian dragons and indigo borrowing bird analogy.
They don't make any sense

I simply asked a question bro. Its up to me to explain the correlation of the question, isn't it?

triplechoice:
When did I announce to you a dragon is flying over my head for you to question me over it?

Answer me

And why are you asking me what you say you can't see yourself?

Does that make sense to you?

I just asked you a question. And y'all went haywire.
Someone asked, "Are you a Nigerian?" and you started accusing the person of all kinds of things.
I simply asked if you have a red dragon etc hovering over you, I haven't even explained the reason for the question and y'all agnostics are going ballistics

Workch:
I will answer you questions if you agree that your dragon analogy applies to aliens as well..

You don't get to choose where to apply the analogy.

Does your analogy also apply to aliens? Yes or no

No.
You see how quickly and aptly I replied you? But you couldn't reply mine

preciousee17:
They might...
Or might not.

Producing satanism textbook for kids, trying to adjust the curriculum to support open immorality, sacrificial rituals, indoctrinations all planned and executed in secret sounds like a good way to become famous.
Quick question, since the 90s or so, they've been pushing their agenda secretly, people did things in secret and died in secret and we are discussing fame?

Like seriously, I just want to get your point clear, not trying to be sarcastic. But what kind of fame does someone get by doing things in secret and deliberately avoiding public appearances? (Especially their top officials)

Illuminati producing Satanism books? Bro, are you sure we're talking the same illuminati here?

preciousee17:
Let's focus on this illuminati cos it's like we are understanding two different POVs... You just dismissed them as conspiracy theory?
I'm talking about the illuminati that is concerned with satan-worship not the Freemasons stories
I'm talking about the illuminati that has an agenda to satanize the world - it's hard explaining if you don't already know. There's textbooks everywhere promoting satanism to children in nursery school level (browse satanism textbook for children).
There's symbols in almost every Disney cartoon aimed at kids and stuff like that.
I'm talking about the Church of Satan kinda guys.
Just dona little research, view some videos and let's dwell on them a little

You're feeding off hypes or media. Illuminati is just a 'cult' like hopeful said. Aint nothing demonic there. Do your research

budaatum:
Looks like you are not deep enough yet.

You mean deep into colos?

sukkot:
you trippin bro. war being started. usa is in


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj44aOretgI

Really? Which war is that?
Did you run outta your meds?