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OLAADEGBU:
"Was the name Jehovah removed from the New Testament? Modern Scholars"

JWs defend this thesis by appealing to scholars who supposedly agree with them: http://ow.ly/ypJF50MjGao

Why is יְהוָ֥ה ׀ (Yah·weh) the Tetragramatton (God's name) in Deuteronomy 6:4 missing from Jesus quote from the old Testament @ Mark 12:29?

Why is יְהוָ֥ה ׀ (Yah·weh) the Tetragramatton (God's name) in Deuteronomy 6:13 missing from Jesus quote from the old Testament @ Matthew 4:10?

Because the [b]nameיְהוָ֥ה ׀ (Yah·weh) in the old Testament was removed in the New Testament.
Kumuyi slave deceiving himself.

TradingGod:
LORD JESUS THE FATHER OF KNOWLEDGE IS JEHOVAH

Kobojunkie:
1. As I said, you are no different from the churchians you lot like to hate on since all you offer are doctrines and traditions of men, lies fed you by other men like you in your gatherings, whatever you choose to call yourselves.

2. What foolish war of Armageddon are you yapping about now? [/b]So, you actually think that you can reasonably spew tales cobbled from the pages of delusions you have been fed by other men at me?

[b]Stop spewing nonsense! Nowhere in scripture did Jesus Christ ever say He would come to kill billions of souls. He instead made it clear in His teachings that the [b]righteous referred to the sheep and the unrighteous to the goats, all of them members of the Kingdom of God over which He rules. Stop lying! [/b]

3. Ezekiel never said Jesus Christ would execute billions of lives who do not believe in Him nor belong to His Kingdom. How can He, Ezekiel, say that when God's plan to rule is to use His Nation of Priests to do so over all who live on earth? Engage your brain abeg!

Ken4Christ:
But the beast and the false prophet that were cast in are still there after over 1,000 years.

Death is not a cessation of existence. The soul lives on after death. You have been brainwashed to believe that the moment you are dead, you are unconscious till resurrection day. .

Ken4Christ:
Jonah died but he could narrate what happened to him when his lifeless body was in the fish belly. His soul went to hell.

Jesus died but his soul went to hell. He defeated Satan and collected the keys of hell and death from him..

Ken4Christ:
The rich man who despised Lazarus died and went to hell.

Abraham is physically dead but he saw the ministry of Jesus because he is alive in the realm of the spirit. .

Ken4Christ:
Abel was killed by Cain but his blood was still crying vengeance because he is alive in the realm of the spirit.

Those who were beheaded in the book of Revelation cried to God for vengeance. How could they cry if they were unconscious? It was their spirit that cried to God;

Revelation 6:9-12
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the SOULS OF THEM THAT WERE SLAIN for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 AND THEY CRIED WITH A LOUD VOICE, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 AND WHITE ROBES WERE GIVEN UNTO EVERY ONE OF THEM; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The passage above affirms that the souls of those who died still lives on. And they are even clothed in white robes.

Ken4Christ:
Don't worry, you will become a symbol of stupidity of the highest order when you land in hell. Son of perdition.

"Son of Perdition= Son of Destruction."
Did Jesus say Judas Iscariot is son of hellfire?
Is hellfire in any way related to Destruction?
This Pastorpreneur nah odeh confam.
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Ken4Christ:
No problem. Russell and Rutherford are waiting for you to join them in the unbearable torture.

They brought their own translation where they have changed so many things to keep you blinded and deluded.

Keep propagating your lies.

This the prime evidence of your Pastorpreneur delusion.

Ken4Christ:
Only those who are perishing join your evil organization. And you are one of them.

Ken4Christ:
Don't worry. I am coming up with a book that will expose all your false doctrines very soon. And the whole world will know how crooked your organization is.

Pastorpreneur got nothing to expose except his delusion.
Nah your usual format to milk your gullible sheeples of their hard earned money by peddling GIBBERISH.

You continue to type "PERISH", PERISHING", (means DESTRUCTION,2 Thessalonians 1:8-9) the word in your Bible conflicting with your hellfire perpetual torture GIBBERISH.

ublight:
Hahahaha.
E pain this one.

U could not resist the urge to abuse me. Hahahahahah

Practice what u preach fool.

pilgrim1:
Re: Why Jehovah Witness Are Against Praying?

They are not against praying. It is a matter of religious policy that they discourage praying with non-JW.

Backslider:
JWs

I have engaged them in numerous Arguement i think by now they would have known that now there is no way to making me JW.

They brought their senior man and I showed them where Jesus is THE ALMIGHTY GOD IN THEIR OWN BIBLE. I GUESS THEY FORGOT TO TAKE IT OUT FROM THEIR OWN BIBLE.

Those people are under another spirit and gospel.

If you are not strong enough in Scripture please please flee from them and if you are strong dont make them your bible study companion everyday

oteneaaron:
During my days as a Jehovahs Witness, we were taught that these 144,000 "annointed" are made up of Jehovahs Witnesses who would rule with Jesus in heaven over all mankind.

We were also taught that these 144,000 are the true "born again Christians" and they would be at the side of Jesus when he comes back to kill billions of people who are not Jehovahs Witnesses in the war of Armageddon.

Back then, we were taught that only this 144,000 are part of the "new covenant" and therefore only them could eat and drink the bread and wine served during the memorial of Jesus's death.

We were also taught that these only 144,000 are the true "sons of God" while the rest of us were only "friends of God".

Looking back, I find it hard to imagine that I used to believe in such crap doctrines of men.

Well, that is what years of endless indoctrination does to you.

Religion is such a powerful tool for mind control.

ublight:
So let me ask?

Is Jesus angel Michael or angel Gabriel?

Jehovas wickedness ppl come and answer.

Sand2022:
I don't know when you will learn.

Sand2022:
Fair question. Let's consider the timing for the great crowd.

They are shown AFTER the Great Tribulation. If this GT refers to final consummation (which JW agree), it then means that John is still seeing this same 144000, but this time AFTER the Great Tribulation while verses 4-8 see the same group before the Great Tribulation.

Sand2022:
Your comment however, clearly shows the unlikelihood of the JWs understanding. Because as the great crowd is not sealed, according to JWs, then they will be harmed. That's why that understanding has an issue.

Sand2022:
If you did understand my position, you will know that I was not saying that only a literal 144000 will be saved.

If that's your position, you are entitled to it.

144000 are going to heaven,to fulfill Revelation 5:10 & Revelation 1:5-6.
Whereas, the great crowd would fulfill Revelation 7:9-17,& Revelation 21:3-5, Matthew 5:5 & Psalm 37:29, on earth.
Unless you mean or believe that hunger, sickness and death thrives in heaven.

OLAADEGBU:
In conclusion, the New Testament documents are quite reliably preserved and are attested by extremely early manuscripts and quotations in multiple languages and locations. There is no reason to doubt the manner in which they have come down to us, even regarding the names and titles used for God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ. The Jehovah’s Witnesses and the New World Translation are simply wrong on this point.

Is the new testament manuscripts available now, the same copy available in the time of Jesus Christ and the disciples?

Kumuyi slave, carry your Mumu WAILING go offline.

Dtruthspeaker:
This is what I am saying. Op said "My submission is that the 144000 evidently refers to all true christians

So the great multitude are in lake of fire according to him.

Ken4Christ:
You see how foolish you are.

In your village grave, people weep and gnash their teeth.

In your village, corpses are thrown into the grave.

In your village, fire that is never quenched burns in your grave.

In your village, your grave is so deep that it is used as a reference for depth.

In your village, your graves have gates. Jesus spoke about the gates of hell.

I will ask the Lord to permit me to see your torture in hell when the time comes.

You want to win an argument at all cost when deep within, you know they hold no water.

Ken4Christ:
The meaning is clear.

Jesus made it very clear.

But your damaged brain has chosen to reject the truth.

I will supervise torture in hell.

Son of perdition.

Werey wey no know the meaning of Perdition is the extreme opposite of everlasting torture.

Oga, feel free to supervise your delusion.

Psalm 16:10 referenced in Acts chapter 2, Jesus Christ was in hell for three days.

Dtruthspeaker:
Don't you people see when you read? The Bible clearly said 12000 from each of the tribes in Israel and Isreal is not the whole world.

Sand2022:
The research I have done on this subject produced me with different understanding as to whom this group refers to. This post is not to mock any differing view, since the bible didn't explicitly provide the answer as to who this group is, one doesn't need to be dogmatic on this issue.

scholars are divided as to the identity of this group. Some say it literally refers to the Jews while others say it refers to all genuine christians. Deeper Life sees this group as referring to Israelites at the time of the end.

Jehovah's witnesses think the group literally are those going to heaven. They feel that the number started to be gathered from first century and would continue to the end of this world.

There is a good reason to see this 144000 as referring to all true christians at the time of the end.

First, the timing of the event.

Rev 7:3
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrise, having a seal of the living God; and he called with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
3 saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we shall have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.

This shows that the event was still future, it will happen before the final destruction of this world. This shows that the 144000 will be available on earth close to the end of this age. So the understanding by JWs that the counting starts from the first century is wrong.

Sand2022:
2. Execution of those not marked.

This will help us put a meaning to whom this 144000 refers to. At Rev 9:4, we read:

"And it was said unto them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree, but only such men as have not the seal of God on their foreheads."

Here shows that those to be spared are only those with the mark on their foreheads. This refers to the 144000 mentioned at Rev 7:3,4. This would mean that the 144000 are all true christians, because it would be unthinkable that only a literal 144000 would be spared from the wrath and the rest of the faithful christians punished.

My submission is that the 144000 evidently refers to all true christians during the period close to consummation of this age.

Sand2022:
Another error. The other sheep and Great crowd do not technically mean the same thing.

Whenever you add "technically", it's obvious that your claim is spurious.
"Technically" is another word for lie lie.
IYKYK.

johnw47:
Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


lost fraud jw janosky

lost fool u insanely laugh at your own non funny lies all over the place, of course



Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


lost fraud jw janosky, forever loving to lie and blaspheme the Christian Father and Son and Holy Spirit
of the Bible calling them 3 deities which means 3 god's
you have also called them: "the 3 dogheads", and you have called the Christians Holy Spirit of the Bible: "the ole demon ghost":

Mar 3:29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Ken4Christ:
You are indirectly insulting Jesus you claim to follow his teachings.

You are saying that Jesus is having a picture of imaginary hell because he spoke about it in such a way that it could be understood that it is a place of torture.

See what will happen to an hypocrite like you who reject the truth

Matthew 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.

Matthew 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.

Matthew 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.

Matthew 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.

Luke 13:28 THERE SHALL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Tell me that Jesus was imagining a place of torture that didn't exist.

A weed smoker is better than you.

Maybe, this will fit you better. Wailing is worse than weeping.

Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be WAILING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.

Matthew 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be WAILING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.

Tell me again that Jesus was imagining these places. Hypocrite.

Ken4Christ:
Illustrations that imagines severe torments which are not real is insanity. Are you saying that Jesus is insane? If he is not, then he meant what he said.

You are the one rejecting the truth because it does not agree with your fabricated lies.

You know deep within you that the statements are so clear but you still reject them.

Why must you defend a lie to a fault? Even to the detriment of your soul.

Well, you will believe when you finally get there but it will be too late.

MrPRevailer:
Revelation 5:13
Ahh, this one shook you well well.

Again again!!

Ken4Christ:
The men of old did not know the complete truth on eternal reality. So, you can't rely on their statements as a final authority on issues like this.

Jesus is the truth. He existed before all things and by him were all things created.

So, you either accept what Jesus taught or get ready to perish.

I can see that the doctrine of JW has done much damage to your brain that you find it difficult to accept the truth even when it is plainly stated.

This Pastorpreneur confirmed Jesus gospel truth:
"So, you either accept what Jesus taught or get ready to perish." The same truth of JWs he is calling "brainwashed".

Jesus truth- Luke 17:29, Matthew 24:37-39, John 3:15-16, unbelief= Perish/Destruction.


Pastorpreneur gospel- unbelief= Everlasting torture in hellfire,a fiery chamber furnace.
Pastorpreneur opposing Jesus & teaching GIBBERISH .

Ken4Christ:
If the beast and the false prophet thrown into the Lake of Fire in Revelation 19:20 are still there after over 1,000 years by the record of Revelation 20:10, know that the torture is for eternity.

Please, believe in Jesus and escape that horrible place. Salvation is a free gift. But if you reject it, you will end up in that horrible place.

Deluded Pastorpreneur

Which sin did beast commit ?

Which of the beast- Lion , Tiger, Cow or Dog?


Did your own Bible says "lake of fire means second death?"
False prophet plentiful, Whom among them was thrown in to die for the second time or second death?
Christendom doesn't understand anything about lake of fire in Revelation.

Christendom's Pastorpreneurs designed a perpetual torture chamber in their head & claimed God did it for the Devil as if fire can harm spirits..


If you understand spirituality, you would know that spiritual realm have no physical limitations.

Fire can't do nothing to spirits


God did not build torture chamber to punish anybody.

Dtruthspeaker:
Evil people brew controvery over clear matters. The Bible did say they are one and it should be understandable. But of course evil people suffer understanding default.

1)Funny, I just found out that trinity is also in what people wrongly call the old testament,
2) so those saying John made a mistake and have removed it from their bibles (Curse)
3)also have to remove it in the old testament for it is there. (Increased Curse)

Exactly how every material thing in what people call old testament is repeated in the new testament.

johnw47:
[s]Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool
lost fraud jw janosky
4Christ doesn't set up churches as a business venture,
you false jw's love to repeatedly lie all over the place, of course:[/s]
[s]
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.[/s]

Ken4Christ:
This your stubborn heart and brainwashed head is really affecting you such that you can't understand the simple message of the gospel.

You are attempting to take courses in a university you are not yet enrolled in.

You will regret your stubbornness when you eventually land in the pit of hell. Your pride will be your destruction .

Pastorpreneur gospel: hellfire= perpetual, unending torture,no precedent anywhere.

Jesus Christ gospel: Unrepentant evildoers Perish, Destruction,Ruin.
Precedent like Adam's, Sodom Gomorrah punishment, Matthew 24:37-39, Luke 17:29

Jesus gospel and Pastorpreneur gospel,
No connection,no semblance, at all !!