Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 6:30pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
Ken4Christ: I want you also to embrace the gospel. Give your life to Christ and save yourself from the coming wrath of God. The coming wrath is 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 & Matthew 24:37-39.
The judgement of Jesus Christ no concern your delusion of perpetual torture.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Materials On JW And The Watchtower Society by Janosky: 6:25pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
Maynman: Bwahahahah E touch your small boy Jehovah bah? Animal jah Worthless watchtower Animal! Real Mayn ment
"Lawsuit Alleges" is a claim without proof, (Screenshots).
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Christianity Etc › Re: Materials On JW And The Watchtower Society by Janosky: 6:19pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Materials On JW And The Watchtower Society by Janosky: 8:00pm On Jan 13, 2023 |
Ken4Christ: The usual pattern you all use. You ignore verses that clearly contradicts your opinions and hold on to the few that appears to agree with your pre conceived opinions.
You have no word to replace Everlasting fire or lake of fire. Is it not the same word used in your translation. Must you win an argument at the expense of your soul?
You are helplessly held captive by the devil.
You will cry night and day in hell except you repent. Nothing concern Acts 3:23 & Romans 6:23 with your GIBBERISH.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 7:54pm On Jan 13, 2023 |
Ken4Christ: No one has ascended to heaven before Jesus came. But the day he ascended, the Saint of old ascended with him.
This is why the writer of Hebrews said in heaven, there are spirits of just men made perfect. How did they get there if they did not ascend? Nah your claims of Acts1:9 get serious issues. Nah you first other people enter Class & you sit down jejely . Later the people wey you first them enter the Class, nah them dey the door to welcome you into the Class & take you inside wey you done sit down Tay tay .  Oga your claims make no sense.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 7:46pm On Jan 13, 2023 |
Ken4Christ: It is true that the narration is contained in the gospel of Matthew alone but it is consistent with the scriptures.
The writer of Hebrews mentioned spirit of just men made perfect in heaven. How did they get there? - Hebrews 12:23. No correlation of Hebrew 12:23 & Acts 1:9 nor Matthew 27:52-53.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 7:13pm On Jan 13, 2023*. Modified: 7:40pm On Jan 13, 2023 |
Ken4Christ: They were the cloud that received Jesus when he ascended back to heaven.
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and A CLOUD RECEIVED HIM out of their sight
The Bible calls the saints, cloud of witnesses - Hebrews 12:1. Why would your cloud of witnesses be waiting to receive Jesus Christ who was first resurrected & ascended to heaven before anyone else?
The Cloud of Witnesses in Hebrew chapter 12 were the men & women of faith referenced in Hebrew chapter 11:1-39.
How many of them put faith in Jesus? None! |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 7:07pm On Jan 13, 2023 |
Ken4Christ: Matthew 27:51-52 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and MANY BODIES OF THE SAINTS which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. It's the norm to have burial ground or cemetery in every town/city. Massive earthquake split the ground (just like massive flood or tsunami throwing out corpses from the grave) after Jesus resurrected split up the ground & corpses of the dead were visible to passers-by going into the city from the earthquake damaged area. It's NOT a resurrection of believers otherwise, Paul would have referenced it in 1 Corinthians 15:2-15 as proof of the resurrection when he referenced Jesus Christ Resurrection. |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 6:56pm On Jan 13, 2023 |
Ken4Christ: Adam was already created as a spirit man in Genesis 1:26-28.
His body was formed after creating in Genesis 2 so he can function on earth. STOP the LYING. Genesis 6:3 & Romans 8:3. Man is flesh, human being not spirit being. |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 6:54pm On Jan 13, 2023 |
Ken4Christ: Luke 16:25-26 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Read it in Easy English Translation
25 “My child”, replied Abraham, “remember the time when you were alive on earth. Remember what happened then. You had lots of good things and Lazarus had lots of bad things. Now I am taking *care of Lazarus, and you are in pain.
26 But that is not everything. Between you and us, there is a hole. It is wide and long and deep. There is a reason why this hole is there. Nobody can cross from here to where you are. And nobody can cross from where you are to come here.”
They are not the same Lazarus. How many Lazarus dey for your Bible? LYING Pastorpreneur  |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 6:51pm On Jan 13, 2023 |
Ken4Christ: God is a spirit and the scripture says that he created us in his own image and likewise. Therefore, we are also spirit being. LYING Pastorpreneur Screenshots PROVEN. Genesis 6:3 "God said man is flesh" NOT spirit being.
Bibleref, your fellow 3 deities worshipper disagree with your claim.
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Christianity Etc › Re: A Question For Jehovah Witnesses. by Janosky: 9:25pm On Jan 12, 2023 |
Steep: How can Jesus be greater than the angels if is an angel? You lack basic understanding in English.
Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritanceobtained a more excellent name than they.
Hebrews clearly separated Jesus from the angels.
The use of "The angels" "They" is used to separate class. Jesus is not of the class of angelic beings but he is separate. Oga Steep,no ! Take note of Hebrews 1:5 When God brings his first born,is the first born his Father's son? Yes! The basic meaning of Angel. = Son of God/Messenger. John 7:16, is Jesus Christ a messenger? John10:36,is Jesus Christ the son of God? Jesus , like Every first born is Preeminent, occupying a unique position and privilege of Inheritance above other Sons. That's Hebrews 1:4-5 for you. |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Question For Jehovah Witnesses. by Janosky: 9:16pm On Jan 12, 2023 |
Steep: Where is the interlinear? Please read this screenshot here. That's the Bill Mounce Greek Interlinear I have referenced on this thread. Shalom.
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Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 8:54pm On Jan 12, 2023 |
AntiChristian: Adam was created in the Physical realm from earth material with the soul from God. How was Jesus specifically created to be son of God while God is the father without reproduction? Colossians 1:15 & Proverbs 8:22 Jesus Christ is his Father's first work of creation, called "the Wisdom" @ 1 Corinthians 1:24 confirmed. The Hebrew word rendered as "Possessed" actually mean "Create",.Hence, the only begotten, John 3:16, just as God chose Isaac as Abraham's only begotten. Only first born receive Blessings of Preeminence among their Father's children, Genesis 49:3. 1 Corinthians 1:24, Jesus is the Wisdom & Craftsman, Proverbs 8:23-30 working by the side of his Father. |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 8:42pm On Jan 12, 2023 |
AntiChristian: But Jesus is the son of God! How was he begotten? Did he just existed from nothing? And then become part of your God?
It seems your Bible will only be understood without deep reasoning! Hebrews 11:17 " By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac; and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son"
Abraham's only begotten son is Isaac. How?
Is Isaac, Abraham's only son? No!
But Isaac birth was unique among Abraham's children. Only Isaac received a special inheritance not given to other sons. As far as God is concerned, Isaac is Abraham's first born.
In the same manner Jesus Christ creation was unique among other Sons of God, the"first born" of every creature, Colossians 1:15.
Only Jesus Christ was given a special inheritance not given to other sons of God, Hebrews 1:4-5.
IYKYK.
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Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 8:21pm On Jan 12, 2023 |
Ken4Christ: I am helping you to know this truth so that you will not go there.
The devil through Jehovah Witness is teaching people otherwise so they will be lured there.
Please, harden not your heart while you still have the opportunity to be saved. Once you are in there, you can't come out.
The sorrow is unimaginable. The pain is unbearable. Oga Pastorpreneur, sorrow unimaginable pain unbearable in a perpetual torture furnace is your "truth". Be a shining example of your "Truth".
Whenever your child disobey you, for 12 hours , please place his hands on the burning flame of your gas cooker and practice your "truth".
If you don't practice this punishment in your home, everything you parrot here is GIBBERISH..  |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 7:45pm On Jan 12, 2023 |
Ken4Christ: Matthew 27:51-52 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and MANY BODIES OF THE SAINTS which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
They were the cloud that received Jesus when he ascended back to heaven.
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and A CLOUD RECEIVED HIM out of their sight
The Bible calls the saints, cloud of witnesses - Hebrews 12:1. Pastorpreneur, wrong! John 3:13, Jesus Christ is the first person RESURRECTED to heaven, Jesus said. No human being resurrect to heaven before Jesus. |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 7:40pm On Jan 12, 2023 |
AntiChristian: We are humans! So we interpret like humans!
So which is applicable to Jesus here?
Which is applicable to all humans?
Where can we place this? Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called sons of God! Psalm 34:14 "Depart from evil and do good; Seek peace and pursue it.
Romans 12:18
If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men"
God desires his servants to "be at peace with all men"
Another way of saying love your neighbor as yourself. |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 7:30pm On Jan 12, 2023 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 7:21pm On Jan 12, 2023 |
AntiChristian: That's because we believe in the creation story. This is not a limitation. The first creation of all kind is usually different from others in its mode Creation. Others are reproduced either sexually or assexually. Yes. The first creation were spirits. Job 38:1-7, these too were called "sons of God". They were eye witness of God's creation of Adam. AntiChristian: No one call Adam son of God in the real sense of it. [b]Luke 3:38 "Adam son of God." The holy Bible did. AntiChristian: But Jesus is called God, some even saying he is the Father. So how was Jesus created to make him God?[/b] God created Jesus Christ directly by himself @ Colossians 1:15 & Proverbs 8:22,30 (called the Wisdom/Craftsman, confirmed by 1 Corinthians 1:24. John 5:26, God his Father gave Jesus life, nah so Jesus talk am.).
All sons of the God Almighty are gods, Deuteronomy 10:17 & Psalm 82:6. Jesus confirmed it, John 10:34-36. |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Question For Jehovah Witnesses. by Janosky: 10:44am On Jan 11, 2023 |
Steep: Why are you running from the Greek interlinear? Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament. Oga Steep,is that "Mounce Interlinear" a Greek Interlinear? This speaks volumes: Steep: "Jesus possess the full divine nature of God.... Jesus is Jehovah God."
Bill Mounce: @ Colossians 2:9,"the Colossians were being taught that Christ is NOT fully God." |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Janosky: 10:38am On Jan 11, 2023 |
brocab: It's not my problem you aren't allowed to study elsewhere, stick with the little knowledge you have. Did Mama smack you in the head all the time, you must be called dumb dumb. I am sure she's fed up with your gibberish lies.. Brocab feels proud breaking the law. Thats how a Criminal behave. |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 10:27am On Jan 11, 2023*. Modified: 8:16pm On Jan 12, 2023 |
AntiChristian: Adam was created in the Physical realm from earth material with the soul from God. How was Jesus specifically created to be son of God while God is the father without reproduction? Colossians 1:15 KJV "first born of every creature." "Son of God coming into the world", John 11:27. The holy Bible, John 11:27, did NOT say "God coming into the world",Oga please take note. Also,Mark 13:19 & Revelation 3:14 , Jesus "the beginning of creation (which God created)." Proverbs 8:22-30 (1 Corinthians1:24), God created the Wisdom/Craftsman "as the first of his works". God created Jesus Christ first, the first creative work of God. (Proverbs 8:22, Genesis 14:19,22,"possessed" meaning created. Screenshot PROVEN). In the Bible,God gave details of his creation of Adam, Genesis 2:7 Did God give extensive details of how God created spirits/angels? No!
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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Janosky: 10:13am On Jan 11, 2023 |
brocab: {Revelation 19:13} He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. You may believe in your head you can out smart the scriptures, but His Name is the Word of God: Is his name God? F.o.ol! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Janosky: 10:12am On Jan 11, 2023 |
brocab: Maybe there's a very good reason to that, I will give you one-you refuse to read the Word, so it's pointless witnessing to someone who hates the Word of God. You and Janosky haven't any idea, about your decisions you have made against the Word of God. If you believe Jehovah died for you, was raised up by whom? and his coming back to collect his people at appointed time. then of course you wouldn't believe the Word of God-even if it was looking straight at you. you still wouldn't believe.. Brocab GIBBERISH.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Question For Jehovah Witnesses. by Janosky: 10:09am On Jan 11, 2023 |
Steep: Even the mounce stated that Jesus possesses the full divine nature of God, that is the same as saying Jesus is Jehovah God. Steep: "Jesus possess the full divine nature of God.... Jesus is Jehovah God."
Bill Mounce: @ Colossians 2:9,"the Colossians were being taught that Christ is NOT fully God."
Conflicting revelations to two veteran Trinitarians from the same ghost. 
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Christianity Etc › Re: A Question For Jehovah Witnesses. by Janosky: 10:00am On Jan 11, 2023 |
Steep: while don't you quote the Greek interlinear and compare it with mounce? . Oga Steep,if you have any PROOF that @ Colossians 1:19,2:9-10, Mounce is different from Greek interlinear , please kindly bring it on. Shalom. |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Question For Jehovah Witnesses. by Janosky: 11:33pm On Jan 10, 2023 |
Steep: For the sake of readers. Theias is the adjectivial form of theios and when it actually means godlike.
Divine can mean godlike, deity, etc when it is used as a noun it is either theiotes (God's nature revealed) or theotes (God's nature as he is) Or divine can translated from the word theias which is an adjective meaning godlike.
The nature Christians partake of was described as theias (godlike or from God) but the nature christ possesses is theotes meaning Godhood, deity , God ad he is. Oga Steep,is Colossians 1:19 & 2:10 in your Bible? Bill Mounce: @ Colossians 2:9 "The Colossians were being taught that Jesus is NOT fully God".
Why is the same ghost given Oga Steep and Bill Mounce his fellow Trinitarian,a conflicting information on Colossians 2:9? Kai !!!!!!!! 
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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Janosky: 11:22pm On Jan 10, 2023 |
johnw47: lost fraud jw janosky, talk about daft and confused if God is called "God" and He is, then it's a name as well as a title, just like "the Word of God" is both a name and a title:
Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God
and so in your false accusing of brocab, as well as calling him daft and confused, you also call him a thief, when in fact he was correct and you were wrong. you false jw's are the great false accusers, just like the devil:
Rev_12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Is God a name? Answer :No! Mumu WAILER,is 2 Corinthians 4:4 referencing a name? Is John 10:35 referencing a name for men? Who ask you about Revelation 19:13? |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Jesus Are Not The Same Or Equal. by Janosky: 11:07pm On Jan 10, 2023 |
Ken4Christ: Matthew 13:37-43 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and BURNED IN THE FIRE; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be WAILING and GNASHING OF TEETH. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Pastorpreneur TWISTING the holy scriptures.  When a farmer gathers weeds (tars) as illustrated by Jesus , are the tars BURNED IN THE FIRE in perpetual torment today?
Matthew 13:37-43, special emphasis on verses 40,42= Luke17:29 & Matthew 24:37-39, & Daniel 3:22, IYKYK.
Were evildoers of Sodom & Gomorrah WAILING and GNASHING OF TEETH when Fire from heaven burnt them to ashes?
Is that fire tormenting the ashes of Sodom Gomorrah today? This pastorpreneur, Sodom & Gomorrah burnt to ashes, Luke 17:29, according to Jesus Christ, are those evildoers in perpetual torment today?
Were evildoers of Noah's day WAILING and GNASHING OF TEETH when the flood destroyed them?
Matthew 13:40=2 Thess1:8-9,BURNED IN THE FIRE meaning destruction without redemption as it was in Daniel 3:22.
Matthew 13:42 is Jesus vivid description of the feeling of hopeless overwhelming the evildoers just as this Pastorpreneur would be "WAILING and GNASHING OF TEETH " when flood ravages his farmland right before his eyes.
Ken4Christ: Jesus didn't use hell hear. He used furnace of fire. Tell us how Russell twisted this verse in your translation.
You are very very wicked. You see the truth and deny it because it doesn't agree with your pre conceived opinions. Pastorpreneur TWISTING the holy scriptures.  Are the evildoers in the burning furnace of Daniel 3:22 WAILING and GNASHING OF TEETH in perpetual torment today? You don't understand Matthew 13:40-42 in the same manner you can't understand Daniel 3:22. Both furnace of fire served the same purpose- to destroy as punishment.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Janosky: 10:24pm On Jan 10, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: No "J" but you welcome names like Jacob, Judah, Joseph, Joshua, Jonathan, Jerusalem, Jeremiah, Jonah, John, Jesus, James, Judas and many more shey? Continue deceiving yourself!  Brocab is a plagiarist.  The guy can't explain nor teach anything from the conflicting copy copy thievery he's doing.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Janosky: 10:22pm On Jan 10, 2023 |
brocab: The Hebrews and the Greeks recognized God with names such as YAHWEH YHWH, EL, ELOHIM, ADONAI. (Hebrew); THEOS KURIOS (Greek) are the correct names given to God. Jehova began 700 years ago by a Roman Catholic monk: and over 200 years ago the Watchtower had added the ending "H" and called God Jehovah.. So the bottom line is Jehovah is a 200 year old name given by the Watchtower. Yahweh name for the God of the Israelites, representing the biblical pronunciation of “YHWH,” the Hebrew name revealed to Moses in the book of Exodus. The name YHWH, consisting of the sequence of consonants Yod, Heh, Waw, and Heh, is known as the tetragrammaton. God is a title not a name, daft brocab.
Brocab,you are more than confused.
Copy and paste thief thief does not even understand his disjointed, conflicting posts.
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