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tctrills:
Someone disagreeing with you does not make him wicked. I disagree with you all the time and I don't think you are wicked.

Courz:
Readers, are you taking notes of the bolded words? This is what the Cult is all about. Rules. Pledges. Oaths.

Look at his 1st paragraph. Unrepentant wrongdoers. Same Judgemental energy.

Now remember this, JWs do not mention all their rules to people they preach to. There are many things a student studying with them are not told. It is until you have become baptised, when it is too late, that you will get to know the rest of their unpalatable rules. They will do what we call [b]Love bombing till you are lured and get baptised.

Another thing to note. JWs do not preach to simply spread the Gospel. They preach mainly to convert you. They are required to stop studying with anyone that is not responsive or refuses to attend their meetings or make any progress to Baptism.

Thanks Mad MaxInDHouse.

tctrills:
Well, it's one thing to be practicing immorality and another thing to disagree with your religious position.

Courz:
Another Exhibit. Readers, look at his first response in firat paragraph. This guy is still all over the place. He knows people like this exist. And he is among JWS that shun or look down on them. He is actually angry that he is here busting his a55 for Watchtower while othera are living their lives freely against their rules. Hence, the hateful comment.

Look at the 2nd paragraph of his comment. A bunch of incoherent crap, isn't it?

Now look at his 3 rd paragraph. He knows that the Watchtower rule against University is embarrassing. In fact, JWs never tell people about this. But in his case, he defends Unserious JWs that go against Watchtower rules of education. This guy is obviously confused. He forgets that Elders and Ministerial servants are removed from their posts if they go against Watchtower in this. But deep down, he disagrees with Watchtower in this. And guess what? He can't open his mouth in the Kingdom hall to oppose this rule. In fact, JWs are one of the most confused people. Hence his comment.

Thanks Janosky.

tctrills:
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
These verses did not teach us to stop relating to formal members but we understand where you are coming from

Courz:
It is indeed. Now, in order for some JWs to maintain their sanity while in the Cult since they can't leave without consequences, they decide to be Fair weather JWs or Fade. They are Physically in the Cult but mentally Out of it. They do some of what they want regardless of the rules and Know how to cover their tracks.
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Courz:
They attend University and aim higher for higher degrees and have absolutely no interest in Positions in the religion.
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Courz:
They don't always attend the meetings/Kingdom Hall. They don't take the doctrines seriously. They only come on special occasions like the Memorial of Christ's death, conventions. After that, you won't see them again. They marry who they want. Let's face it. We are Humans and we need rules but Authoritarian way of control will definitely breed Rebels and not every JW will follow through.

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Courz:
Very true. In order for active JWs to make sense of the religion and continue in it, they have switch off that part of the brain that is responsible for critical thinking and questioning. Watchtower frowns against questioning and teaches JWs to learn to ignore reality to preserve their Faith in the religion. JWs are trained psychologically to make excuses for Watchtower's failures. Faith in the religion is Number One. This is why Watchtower is against Higher Education/University. Anything that makes a JW to question must be shut down immediately and flushed out from the brain. A JW has to make several twists and turns in his brain in order to justify Watchtower's doctrines and policies. This is how the brain of a JW works.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know how we were trained to figure out suspects among the innocent?
Well we ask some of our guys to put on uniforms though we're supposed to dress like civilians but with the uniform of the law enforcement agents defaulters will become uncomfortable so easily we will just start picking them up for questioning.

So how do you expect a willful sinner to feel free in the midst of faithful people?
Even ordinarily greeting at the kingdom hall will become a problem because they're feeling that through discussion with you you may find out something they're hiding. That's when all eyes from right, left, front, back and center becomes "JUDGMENTAL LOOKS"

Templee333:
you might not really understand JW except u pass through it. Even JW who aren't faithful members of the organization still hardly understand it.Only most devoted members know how terribly bad it is when they are honest enough to admit it. But unfortunately, an active member often closes his reasoning ability & deny reality in other to continue his race for life in the one & only true religion.

Does a scorned, furious man give an honest, undiluted appraisal of his ex?
Never!

In your opening post, you claimed JWs were in your own words, "brainwashed" for not eating Christmas rice.
On the basis of Mark 6:14-21, Jesus was in the City of King Herod's birthday party.
Janosky asked Templee333, would Jesus Christ & the disciples children eat the food & drinks of King Herod's birthday party?
Which disciple children eat Jesus birthday food and drinks?

Templee333 no fit answer

JWs are more in tune with reality and the holy scriptures than you,Templee333 would honestly admit.

Your claim is unfortunate and very baseless.

Courz:
For the Love amongst JWs, I have discussed on it. You can go back to my previous comments.

As for marrying amongst themselves, it is a rule of Watchtower. As a JW, you must marry a fellow JW. If you plan on marrying a non JW, Elders will discourage you against it. If you go ahead to marry this person and you have a family that is JW, None of them will attend your wedding including your fellow JWs! You will be marked! What that means is a Marking Talk in the Kingdom Hall will be given discouraging marrying outside JW and it will be given in such a way that JWs will know you are the one they are talking about in that talk. So, If you are the subject of a Marking talk, it is best not to go to the Kingdom Hall that day because of the kind of Judgemental looks you will get. You will pray for the grouund to swallow you up. JWs are extremely Judgemental! You will also be looked down on as Spiritually weak unless you are rich.

So, it is never out of Love for themselves that they marry themselves. It is because it is Mandatory to do so and there are consequences for doing otherwise.

tctrills:
That way, you should avoid the entire world.

Templee333:
THE CELESTIAL CHARIOT
The GB of JW often apply Ezekiel chp.1 to their organization moving in response to divine spirit.Thus,their organization needs changes frm time to time.The NWT has been revised & its text edited many times since it's first released. Their song book has been changed & unchanged & rechanged many times. Their Watchtower & Awake! & the "Our Kingdom Ministry" & many other publications has been changed & bear different names many times.When their leaders realize how absurd some of their publications are,they replace it with new ones & stop using the faulty ones. Some of their old publications carry messages that are directly opposite of what they publish today. All these owe to the movement of Ezekiel's celestial chariot. Thanks to the chariot!

tctrills:
Nope tell me.

Courz:


You are not allowed to disagree with the JWs. You can see that now! Similar trait inherited from Watchtower.

Courz:


Let me explain how Watchtower works in the brain of a JW.

A JW reads a verse and finds that this verse contradicts their beliefs. Watchtower says, "who are you to make conclusions on what you read? Do you know better than us? We are the Faithful Slave giving you spiritual food at the proper time. How can you depend on your own understanding? You cannot rely on your thoughts. Your thoughts are Faulty. Don't you know critical and independent thinking is demonic and a tool of Satan? Trust us as you Trust God. Wait on Jehovah and let him sort out or correct matters on his own. Don't bother to think. Let us do the thinking for you. "

If you are this JW, you will wait forever!



The above scenario is known as Mind Control. Google it.

tctrills:
Thanks for your contribution, well received.

tctrills:
I don't like being deceived hence I am happy you are contributing to this thread to bring about balance. I am sure you would correct any false impression.

tctrills:
I am learning from Templee333 to be calm and not to take offense. I don't how he does it but that guy is showing great love and respect. He refuses to be provoked while telling his story. He states the good, the bad, and the ugly without ill feelings. I am not promising anything but in my future discussions with you, I would try to be more loving and forgiving.

tctrills:
Let me ask you a question and I need a sincere answer. JW members always speak of the great love they share among themselves. I know you have spoken of the bad examples of the leaders but in general, would you say they have great love among themselves? I tend to believe this because they always end up getting married to themselves.

Would this DUBIOUS Courz who use my moniker & Max moniker to post his GIBBERISH , give you an honest answer?

Will a scorned, furious DUBIOUS man tell you the truth about his ex?
You will hear what you desire to hear, not the truth. .

Templee333:
we dared not insult a CO. I remember once we travelled a very long distance to rehearsal at Ass.Hall. We had a demonstration & bro Tony condemned all our presentation over & over again.Finally, he got angry & told us to come again next week. The brother (an elder) who sponsored the demonstration tried to explain that our distance is far & he'd be busy next week.Bro Tony cut in & scolded the elder. The elder pleaded with him. But later on our way back,the elder complained of how rude the CO is & never considered all his labour to transport this crew here. "Must he be insulting people anyhow just because he's a CO?",he mumured. But he didn't respond when the CO insulted him.

Ask your supporters who of them dey shout at their Daddy G.O's & pastorpreneurs who annoyed them?
In your Bible did Paul and Barnabas disagree?
In your Bible, did Paul and Peter disagree?

You are just throwing tantrums.

tctrills:
To me, that is bondage. But if the JW people would not complain, let me not complain for them.

oteneaaron:
You sound pained and jittery bro.

Why don't you allow the OP finish sharing his experience?

Why are you derailing the thread?

Is RoyalDiadems the OP,Templee333 who started this thread?

You are very delusional, Oteneaaron.
Please, continue in your folly

RoyalDiadems:
Wow!

The devil has used this organization to initiate many into satanism unconsciously.

One of the reasons they would not see any fault with this and other flaws of their organization is that they've been blinded by demons. This is typical of all cults. It takes a great work of the Holy Spirit to make them see the darkness they're in.

RoyalDiadems:
That's satanic!

RoyalDiadems:
You're the one who needs sense here!

We understand making a vow unto God. That's always a personal thing, never enforced, and never a requirement to serve God.

RoyalDiadems:
In your case, the vow is to the organization. MaxinDHouse categorically berated the OP for leaving JW (Not God) after making a Membership vow.

RoyalDiadems:
I think you want to be deceptive, since you hate the truth.

In the scriptures you quoted, Joshua made a vow to God. Is JW organization your God?

Would Ronaldo sign for Man Utd and be loyal to Liverpool?

When you are loyal to your marital vow, are you loyal to God?

Are you also loyal to the family of believers when you honor your vows to God?

Una NEVER get Sense or even ready to receive sense .
Mumu Churchians. .

Courz:
During meetings and Conventions, some JWs are interviewed. It is usually a time for these JWs Trumpets to be blown such as how long they have been JWs, if they are Regular pioneers, Elders, etc. A lot of these interviews are fake in the sense that they are always told what to say and rehearse everything before ot takes place. This method of PR stunt is a way to make the Cult look good and it is regarded as an encouragement to make JWs work harder for the Cult. The problem with this is that the stories are usually embellished with lies. If you go back to previous comments, I gave examples. My younger brother was one who was interviewed and he said he was told what to say. It is very common in the JW Land. This is why Lying is very natural to them.

Courz:
You see what you did there? Critical thinking skills. You added 1+1 to give 2. JWs cannot do that.

And Yes, it is a Cult. Have you seen their Baptism questions? Their Baptism questions are vows! And these vows are specifically to Jehovah and The Cult. I accept vows made to Almighty God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. They don't baptise people in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was removed and replaced by the Cult. So, the Cult owns them. If you leave, you're fukked. There will be consequences. Is that not a sign of a Cult?

Whom did Jesus Christ dedicate himself to?
Whom did the isrealites,God's chosen people, dedicate themselves to?

Just go delete Isaiah 43:10,21, John 20:17& Acts 3:13.
The God of isrealites is the same God of Jesus Christ.

2.
Psalm 89:7 & Acts 15:6-17, Jehovah God has a Council,an Organization of His Servants bearing His name.
John 5:43, Jesus Christ said: I have come in the name of my Father.

Courzd IBERIBE

RoyalDiadems:
You mean rehearsed interviews? Please provide details. I want to learn.

RoyalDiadems:
Why should people vow before joining a supposed Godly organization? Is it a cult?

Only cults use vows to hold their members captive against their will.

tctrills:
Mr Janosky, what wrong did I do in commending someone for being respectful? Yes, you don't agree with him, but that is not the point here. He has not come out to fight any organization. He is only telling his personal story.

There is no need to attack everyone who those not agree with you. You don't agree with most people but they do not attack you. So calm down.

zoer:
So sorry sir....can you please show me the scripture where Jesus Christ was not permitted to disclose God organization?

Is there anywhere in the Bible that God said he have an organization?

zoer:
So jw started from Abel?...I thought jw have a date it was established.

zoer:
Well you said again that "Jesus commissioned christianity in the first century" Do you have any bible backup for that?

tctrills:
Templee333 I admire the respect you have shown. Although you are no longer part of the said organization and no longer agree with their teachings you have not attempted to persecute or attack them. You have refused to respond to their attacks, that's so responsible. Also, you are a great storyteller. Can't wait to learn more from you.