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LordKingsley:
Is this what the Bible refers to as 'having a form of godliness but denying its power?'

kurt09:
They are lobotomized. A friend of mine who is a witness told me that miracles are false. That there is nothing like miracle. One fateful night, her few months nephew fell sick, and at the point of death. My friend brought out her Bible, opened Psalm 91, and prayed incessantly until the child health normalised. In the morning, when she came to work,she told me how God used her. That she didn't sleep last night. That God is powerful and merciful for answering her prayers last night. I told her you don't believe in miracles but you're sharing testimony of what God did for your family last night. I told her to pray for more divine encounters instead of following church doctrines...

NothingDoMe:
Because they are afraid. They fear anything that has to do with the display of the power of God. They are afraid because people fear what they do not understand. And you cannot understand unless you are born again and have the spirit of God in you.

emeijeh:
I will rephrase Redoil's question.....
Are you sure they are true Christians?

emeijeh:
when massive alcoholic consumption and fornication is their middle name?

Don't even go there!
Yesterday,14th February na your fellow 3 deities worshippers carry fornication for head like gala.
Oga, pin your claim on Fornication on your Pastorpreneurs and 3 deities devotees.
Alcohol consumption is not a sin,or do you mean that Christ sinned when he converted water to wine?
Na your fellow Trinitarian devotees populate all the joints yesterday drinking themselves to stupor and celebrate fornication.
JWs are well known to discipline erring, unrepentant ones who practice such, based on the Scriptural evidence of 1 Corinthians 5:1-13.
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PharmaGirl:
They are.
I find it odd how supposed Christians don't believe in miracles.

OK.

Redoil:
Are they christian.

Redoil:
They dont pray together with other christians.
They dont mingle with other christian.

Redoil:
To they believe that they are the only people who will go to paradaise.

PharmaGirl:
I just got to know of this yesterday.

They believe that the power to perform miracles by Christians ended with the first century Christians.
I'm still surprised.

Emusan:
@red color is a pure lie.

The word is known long even before council of Nicea, reason why people like Tertullian, Cyprian, Priscillian of Avila quoted or alluded to it.

Emusan,You too dey lie
That Trinitarian GIBBERISH is NOT in any Greek manuscript before the 1500's.

Steep:
Look at the mirror and ask yourself if you make sense!

Steep:
The father , Son and holy ghost has one name.
Jehovah witness organization for many years are having it difficult to explain away that verse, that verse is very clear about the Trinity.

Steep:
The father, son and holy spirit are persons with one name because they are one God.

Steep:
Baptizing people in the name of Jesus is the same as Baptizing people in the name of the father and the holy spirit too.

tctrills:
Our Heavenly Father sent Jehovah. Jehovah has a Father.
Exodus
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob by the name of God Almighty, but by My name Jehovah was I not known to them.

He often came inthe name of the father, hence its easy to think it was the Father speaking. Do you get

tctrills:
I answered your question with a question. If you understand why the bible said we have only one savior in Isaiah and mentioned many saviours,

tctrills:
then you would understand why the father of Jesus Christ should be a God

Benblaq:
Since I was born I've been wanting to fall, atleast to know how it feels like.
Many strong and powerful crusades and fellowship I have attended with most of my friends dropping like bags of garri during prayers, no matter how I try to free myself, I won't fall. Please is it normal?

tctrills:
Let me answer with some little questions of mine. this would make it very easy for you to understand
According to Isaiah 43:11. Jehovah is the only savior.
According to Acts 4:12, Philippians 3:20, 2 Timothy 1:10 Jesus Christ is the savior.
According to Obadiah 1:21, There would be Saviours in mount zion.

Is Jesus Christ the only Saviour spoken about in Isaiah? How many saviors do we have? Is Jesus Christ even our savior?

Oga, Did you see the word "Saviour in John 20:17?
In John 20:1-30, did you see the world Saviour?

tctrills:
None of these scriptures here say Jesus isn't Jehovah or God.

tctrills:
It only makes sense that the son of a God is also a God. Hence Psalms 82.6 I have said, "You are gods; you are all children of The Highest!

tctrills:
Just because the father is a God doesn't mean his children are not Gods. In fact, the children of a God should be Gods.

tctrills:
None of these scriptures here say Jesus isn't Jehovah or God.

Oga, be honest to yourself

My four questions to you:
According to your Bible @ John 20:17, is Jesus Christ "your God and his "my God"?
Jesus Christ is ascending to meet which God?

In other words, who did Jesus call "my God"?
Who did Jesus Christ call "your God"?

tctrills:
You did not read the post. If you did, you would notice that it offered both arguments. Please read the entire post.
This is another post from another Hebrew scholar.
A shortened form of God's response to Moses' request for the name of the God of the patriarchs (Exodus 3:13-14 ). The fuller form of the name may be rendered “I am who I am,” “I will be who I will be,” or even “I cause to be what is.” See YHWH . God's response is not a “name” that makes God an object of definition or limitation. Rather, it is an affirmation that God is always subject, always free to be and act as God wills. The earliest Greek rendering “I am the one who is” or “I am Being” has been especially significant in the development of theology.
Jesus' “I am” response in several New Testament passages suggests more than the simple identifying “I am he.” The “I am” of Mark 6:50 means “I am Jesus and not a ghost,” but suggests the divine “I am” who alone “tramples down the waves of the sea” ( Job 9:8; Mark 6:48-49 ) and made the waves hush (Psalm 107:28-29; compare Mark 4:39 ). John 8:24 makes recognition that Jesus is the “I am” a matter of eternal life and death: “You will die in your sins unless you believe that I am.” The Jews misunderstood, thinking it was a matter of identity (“Who are you?” John 8:25 ). Recognition that Jesus is the “I am” who is one in word and action with His Father is possible only when Jesus has been lifted up on the cross/raised from the dead (John 8:28 ). That the Jews rightly understood Jesus' claim “before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:58 ) as a divine claim is evident from their picking up stones to throw at Him. The “I am” of John 18:5 again suggests more than “I am the man you are looking for.” Rather, Jesus is the “I am” whose awesome presence forced the guard back and into a posture of reverence. Here Jesus was not the object of betrayal but the subject who won the release of His disciples ( John 18:8 ). Though differing in form from the “I am” sayings, the references to the one “who is and who was and who is to come” (Revelation 1:4 ,Revelation 1:4,1:8; Revelation 4:8; compare Revelation 11:17; Revelation 16:5 ) are similar in thought. In a context of intense hardship that called into question God's sovereignty, the writer of Revelation reaffirmed Israel's faith in the “I am” who is the subject of history and not its victim.

#2
The adherents of Judaism (the Hebrews/Jews, native speakers of Hebrew language) say their own Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh is "I will be what I will be"/ I will become what I will become"

#3
According to your post, is there "present tense "I AM" in the Hebrew language"?

"I AM" doesn't exist in Hebrew, why do you attach that claim to Jesus when you know I AM has no connection to the God and Father of Jesus?

NOTHING concern Jesus with your spurious claim of 'I AM'.

tctrills:
This is another post from another Hebrew scholar.
A shortened form of God's response to Moses' request for the name of the God of the patriarchs (Exodus 3:13-14 ). The fuller form of the name may be rendered “I am who I am,” “I will be who I will be,” or even “I cause to be what is.” See YHWH. God's response is not a “name” that makes God an object of definition or limitation. .
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diridiri:
Acts of the Apostles is not a gospel.
Acts of the Apostles also plays favoritism with Paul. It keeps avoiding talking about James, Jesus' brother and leader of the Church.
It's propaganda for Paul. I won't even be surprised if Paul hired someone write it.

Again, only Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Everything else is extra.

Oh, so because Paul said something that means Jesus agrees.
Jesus was saviour of the world even though Paul didn't say anything.

Jesus didn't tell Paul anything abeg.
After Paul finish stoning people he went to one far far place then came back and started talking "Jesus told me so so so", as if is not only him and 2 other people that were there.
He was lying abeg.

tctrills:
You did not read the post. If you did, you would notice that it offered both arguments. Please read the entire post.

tctrills:
Sir, I don't understand your point. Are you a Hebrew speaker? Are you saying that you are smarter than the Hebrew scholars that translated the bible?

You have never translated anything so your cant be the expert in determining which translation is correct and which is wrong. Let's leave that for the experts ok.
It would be very foolish for both of us to argue over the works of different scholars unless we are equally qualified. I get you are trying to defend the work of some scholars but you are not qualified neither am I. Let's leave that debate to those that know what they are talking about.

Meanwhile, this is from another scholar of Hebrew.

I am that I am is a common English translation of the Hebrew phrase אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎, ’ehye ’ăšer ’ehye ([ʔehˈje ʔaˈʃer ʔehˈje])– also "I am who I am," "I will become what I choose to become", "I am what I am," "I will be what I will be," "I create what(ever) I create," or "I am the Existing One."[1] The traditional English translation within Judaism favors "I will be what I will be" because there is no present tense of the verb "to be" in the Hebrew language.

tctrills:
Ehyeh asher ehyeh (Hebrew: אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה) is the first of three responses given to Moses when he asks for God's name in the Book of Exodus.[2] ’Ehyeh is the first person form of hayah, "to be," and owing to the peculiarities of Hebrew grammar means "I am," "I was," and "I will be."[3] The meaning of the longer phrase ’ehyeh ’ăšer ’ehyeh is debated, and might be seen as a promise ("I will be with you" or as statement of incomparability ("I am without equal".[4]

The word ehyeh is the first-person singular imperfect form of hayah, "to be". Biblical Hebrew does not distinguish between grammatical tenses. It has instead an aspectual system in which the imperfect denotes any actions that are not yet completed,[5][6][7] Accordingly, Ehyeh asher ehyeh can be rendered in English not only as "I am that I am" but also as "I will be what I will be" or "I will be who I will be", or "I shall prove to be whatsoever I shall prove to be" or even "I will be because I will be". Other renderings include: Leeser, "I Will Be that I Will Be"; Rotherham, "I Will Become whatsoever I please", Greek, Ego eimi ho on (ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν), "I am The Being" in the Septuagint,[8] and Philo,[9][10] and the Book of Revelation[11] or, "I am The Existing One"; Lat., ego sum qui sum, "I am Who I am."

According to the Hebrew Bible, in the encounter of the burning bush (Exodus 3:14) Moses asks what he is to say to the Israelites when they ask what the gods ('Elohiym) have sent him to them, and Yahweh replies, "I am who I am," adding, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'I am has sent me to you.'"[4] It is somewhat remarkable that despite this exchange, the Israelites never ask Moses for the name of God.[13] Then there are a number of probably unanswerable questions, including who it is that does not know God's name, Moses or the Israelites (most commentators take it that it is Moses who does not know, meaning that the Israelites will ask him the name in order to prove his credentials), and just what the statement means.[13]

The last can be approached in three ways:

"I am who I am" – an evasion of Moses's question;[14]
"I am who am" or "I am he who is" – a statement of the nature of Israel's Gods ['Elohiym];
"'I Am' is who I am," or "I am because I am" – this version has not played a major part in scholarly discussion of the phrase, but the first variant has been incorporated into the New English Bible

cornelboy:
Where did you say it?

tctrills:
For my dear friends who are not yet sure that Jesus Christ is Jehovah, let the testimony of Thomas convince you.
John 20.28
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
The Apostle recognized Jesus to be his Lord and his God.
To all true Christians, Jesus Christ is our Lord and God.

tctrills:
Jesus is Jehovah
Isaiah declared
Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Jesus was and is that only Saviour.

13 Bible Verses about
Jesus Christ, Savior

Luke 2:11
for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

Titus 2:13
looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Paul declared Jesus as our great God and Savior

tctrills:
sir I don't get your point here. Jesus to moses to tell the children of Israel that I Am sent him. In John, he again told Israel that he is I Am. So simple.
Please explain the point you are trying to make

John 20:17, Your I AM ascending to meet another "I AM".
Do you get it?

tctrills:
Actually, I just quoted word for word

tctrills:
I Am is the name of Jehovah.
Exodus 3.14
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

tctrills:
I told you, different verses in the bible use the Word God in different ways.
It key is to understand who it is talking about.
You cannot be bringing up verses and ignoring other verses.
Look into all the verses.

Oga , look into all the verses in Greek interlinear Bible @John 1:1,John 14:1,John4:24, Jesus calls ONLY JEHOVAH God ho Theos ,(Greek 3588 2316) "the God."

@ John 1:1,Is Jesus ho Theos "the God"?
NEVER !!!

tctrills:
Both Jesus Christ and David refer to Man as God. They were not wrong.

tctrills:
John 17 3 isn't wrong also neither is 1 Corinthians 8:5. In these verses, Jesus Christ was pointing us to worship the Father.

tctrills:
Paul taught that Jesus Christ became equal to the Father.

tctrills:
Jesus also taught be ye perfect like your Father in Heaven showing that even man can reach the level.

achorladey:
Na you call am twisting. Learn

achorladey:
The reason I asked you earlier who are you called by name

A. Jehovah’s witnesses

B. Jesus witnesses

achorladey:
Do you agree that all other Christian denominations are Jehovah’s witnesses then and by name?

Do you Achorladey & his 3 deities Polytheists worshippers agree you are JWs?
The evidences against you plenty for Nairaland, Achorladey Deceptive clown.

achorladey:
Na the Bible verse you use yourself now. Wetin be the meaning of very lord who is rich toward all calling on him"

achorladey:
You dey enjoy the whinning and cruising

3exe3:
When a boy learns to control his emotions then he can be called a man

achorladey:
We know your own mode of operation. LIE FIRST, then later accept the LIE as you truth . Your response quoted below is.........



Meaning they don't love the Father . You will LIE on behalf of TRINITARIANS to look good paapaa. When next you come to a TRINITARIAN thread this will haunt you.

and you added...



In that three persons do they love God the FATHER . Do they worship God the FATHER as God in that three persons?






The only true God Jesus worship is that referred to as God the FATHER abi?

Do TRINITARIAN also worship that God the FATHER that Jesus worships?

Do they love that God that Jesus worship and loves to?

We know UNITARIANS like you worship DOGHEAD

Don't ask me how I know.

The question remains do they worship the Father as God in that three persons

If you agree they do, do they love him.


Another lie installment is what I am waiting for