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achorladey:
Paul said in Romans 10:11,12.....
For the scripture says: “No one who rests his faith on him will be disappointed.”


+ 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek.+ There is the same Lord over all, who is rich* toward all those calling on him.


Same Paul

1 said there is actually to us one God,+ the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

So how come your

For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah* will be saved.”

Romans 10 :13 all of a sudden the same Lord becomes LORD JEHOVAH

Emphasis on Lord becoming LORD. Don't forget there is only one Lord ;

achorladey:
Learn you no learn

I SHALL PROVE TO WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE. THE I AM THAT I AM

achorladey:
They don't and many who listened them see them as people who bear witness about the death and resurrection of Jesus christ. They see them as followers of Christ and some went as far as calling them CHRISTIANS. Peter went further by stating.........

achorladey:
If you are being reproached* for the name of Christ, you are happy, because the spirit of glory, yes, the spirit of God, is resting upon you.


But if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not feel ashamed,+ but let him keep on glorifying God while bearing this name.

achorladey:
When they bear witness about Jesus christ they bear witness about the VERY CHARACTER of GOD like the Bible translation you use put it.

Wetin be my score?

achorladey:
[s]You don forget the the ARCHAIC IDEAS, TO BE MOCKED AND ARE IRRELEVANT AS A RESULT OF RECENT BIBLICAL EVIDENCE that states God unquestionably arranged that his name be omitted in the new testament.
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achorladey:
Paul can't say JEHOVAH in that account. MR WISHY WASHY peddler since the context of that account is not about JEHOVAH

Awon one line of thought people....

Peter: call on Jesus to be saved

Paul: call on Jehovah to be saved

Achorladey DECEIVING himself. Na him way
Achorladey, who is Acts 2:36 is Jesus Lord of his Father?
Hebrews 5:7-8, Did JEHOVAH call on his son to be saved?

Deceptive man,@ Acts 2:16-21, Peter quoted Joel 2:32 to call on whom?

Achorladey, where is the Greek word "call on" in Acts 4:12?

Psalms 20:7, Joel 2:32,Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13, "everyone who calls on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved"

Steep:
If all things came through christ that makes christ the source of creation. The verse you just quoted means both christ and the father are the source of creation. That means both christ and the father are not created.

All things came from the father meanin he ordained those things to be but those things came through christ agency meaning both the father and the Son are the source of creation but in different roles.

Steep:
The statement means Jesus is both the originator and ruler of God's creation.

Mark 13:19
"The beginning of creation which God created"

"The "originator" of creation which God created", Colossians 1:15

The "ruler" of creation which God created",1 Corinthians 11:3. .
God is the Head of Jesus, Jesus is the Head of man & woman.

Trinity fall yakata

Steep:
Not the same with Revelation 3 vv 14,
The word arche gives room for many meanings which include source, ruler, first part of creation etc

Strong's Concordance
arché: beginning, origin
Original Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: arché
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-khay')
Definition: beginning, origin
Usage: (a) rule (kingly or magisterial), (b) plur: in a quasi-personal sense, almost: rulers, magistrates, (c) beginning.

Steep:
I will say all three definition of arche, which are
1.Source (of creation which God created)
2. Ruler (of creation which God created)
3.First part of creation which God created

are all true, how?

Steep:
1.John 1 vv3 state that all things were created through christ making him the source

Steep:
2 He is the ruler of God's creation as the son of God (at Revelation 3:14).

Steep:
3 is the first part of God's creation, because the plan of christ becoming the wisdom of God was conceived before the heavens and earth were created.

1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

1 Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
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achorladey:
You no go wriggle free. It is a locked in discussion



My question was do they love God the FATHER. I know in that trinity doctrine there is God the Father. Do they love God the FATHER?

achorladey:
Since you find it difficult to answer. Do they love Jesus? Does loving Jesus, mean they hate the Father?

John 20:17, you can not love Jesus when you go against JEHOVAH's doctrine @ John 7:16 & John 20:17 to worship 3 persons.

achorladey:
And they go about condemning those calling on the name Jesus for salvation. as if na dem be the master of these people in the first place.

Steep:
This one na mumu talk abeg!

The only name way God approve for salvation nah Jesus name

achorladey:
After reading what I posted to your brother, you still come back with your group thinking.

Ok, let us go by your group thinking. The group said in Acts 4 :12

Acts 4: 12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”


1. Salvation is found in no one else. A person under consideration

There is no other name not even GROUP NAME.

Na to peddle NO GET SENSE all over nairaland you sabi.

achorladey:
The name of the religious organization you belong states Jehovah’s witnesses.

Jesus your master last instruction to the disciples as captured in Acts 1:8 is to speak or bear witness about who?

Steep:
It's because they are blind! Don't stress yourself on them

achorladey:
Paul said in Romans 10:11,12.....
For the scripture says: “No one who rests his faith on him will be disappointed.”+ 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek.+ There is the same Lord over all, who is rich* toward all those calling on him.


Same Paul

1 said there is actually to us one God,+ the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

So how come your

For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah* will be saved.”

Romans 10 :13 all of a sudden the same Lord becomes LORD JEHOVAH

Emphasis on Lord becoming LORD. Don't forget there is only one Lord

Joel 2:32
"Everyone who call on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved"

Romans 10:13 Aramaic Bible.
For everyone who will call the name of THE LORD JEHOVAH shall be saved.”

Psalms 20:7
"I will call on the name of JEHOVAH"

Psalms 116:13
" call on the name of JEHOVAH"

Paul wrote Romans 10:13 & copied the expression from Joel 2:32.

Achorladey wishy washy GIBBERISH goes to the dustbin.
Achorladey stop DECEIVING yourself .

NNTR:
Janosky, it is dishonest to list John 14:1, Matthew 6:9, John 17:24, John 20:17 and Revelation 3:5,12 as a response to the 'Do you take it, as an impossible thing, for God to do, that it is, impossible for God to be, God the Father and Son, at the same time? (i.e. to simultaneously exist in Heaven as God, the Father and as Jesus, when He was on earth) especially when none of the John 14:1, Matthew 6:9, John 17:24, John 20:17 and Revelation 3:5,12 listed verses, has Jesus unequivocally denying that He is not God, but I'll let your misrepresentation of the truth slide, plainly because, I want to give you another chance to face up to the truth, which will be from asking for your sincere and truthful reply to the following question below:

1. Aside from you, who in heaven and/or the whole wide world, possibly can know and tell what your thoughts in your mind are, right now and even better still, who in heaven and/or the whole wide world, possibly can know and tell in full detail, what in your mind, you plan in the future, to do?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Steep:
Many will come in Jesus name to deceive, sounds like watch tower.
Jesus said the true worshippers will near witness of him, jwo bear witness of Jehoavh not Jesus.

John 14:1 & John 17:3,6-7 no dey your Bible?
JWs are the only people bearing witness about JEHOVAH and his Son, Jesus Christ.
Oga, don't DECEIVE yourself

Steep:
Jesus said salvation is in him not in a group whether true or not, salvation is not by attaching yourself to a group neither a group thing.

RussellRutherfo:
Armageddon slave and false satanic prophet organizational puppet and blood transfusion murderer.

Kobojunkie:
He is a babalawo pretending to be a follower of Jesus Christ like every other pastor out there, and I mean all those who require you pay a fee be it called tithe, offering, of vow in order to receive from God.

Steep:
There were religion before Jesus! The point is Jesus said that he (a person) is the way , the truth and the light not religion Or organization.

Steep:
Christianity teaches that salvation lies on faith in Jesus, not on organization or group.

Steep:
Salvation is not base on work, group identity, culture, character etc but on putting ones faith in Jesus relying on Jesus sacrifice for the remission of sins.
Calling on Jesus name is the only means one can be saved!

achorladey:
Acts 15: 14-17

Symʹe·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written: 16 ‘After these things I will return and raise up again the tent* of David that is fallen down; I will rebuild its ruins and restore it, 17 so that the men who remain may earnestly seek Jehovah,* together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says Jehovah,* who is doing these things,

Your brother Max posted the below....




Steep responded



The verse you quoted did you see anywhere it states SALVATION is in a religion?

Did you see where it was stated word for word that



Well I don't expect anything less from someone who call the God he serve DOGHEADS

Steep:
Religion cannot save you, salvation is in a person not in religion

Acts 4:12 & Acts15:14-17 salvation is in the Group bearing His Father's name led by the person of Jesus Christ.
John 17:6-7, Jesus Christ is NOT the Owner of the Group.
John 9:4 & John 7:16 Jesus Christ is a member

IYKYK !

achorladey:
The person you are in discussion with have been taught the below.....



Oga cornelboy is the above too GOD'S TRUTH from the organization carrying out purest form of worship?

So scripture like the Acts 4:12 below sound irrelevant to them. They will rather tell you to come to their religious denominations for salvation than to Jesus. The reason you see Max keeps asking for better performing performance group because he has been taught salvation is in the group .

Acts 4: 12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

Acts 15:14-17 & Acts 4:12.
Achorladey,is it the same disciples who spoke the words you parrot @Acts 4:12 are the same disciples who told Achorladey @ Acts 15:14-17, they are the same people chosen to bear JEHOVAH's name?


When you parrot Acts 4:12 and refuse to believe in Acts 15:14-17, JEHOVAH God have a People/Organisation/Group ("WE" @John9:4) chosen by Him, you are a Polytheist confam
John 20:17 & John 9:4, Jesus no know you !

HardMirror:
Whenever we hear of money ritual, Christians are quick to come out and blame the devil, and say it is signs of the end times.
The same fundamental believes on which christianity is built, is same money rituals are also built on.

Christianity is a religion that has kept superstitions such as money ritual alive in Nigeria. This is a fact!

HoW?


Introduction of christianity killed traditional worship in Nigeria, but instead killing our superstitions, christianity has kept superstitions alive and well in Nigeria

It is because of christianity that you see highly educated Nigerians that still believe in witchcraft

It is because of christianity that educated Nigerians believe in supernatural wealth

It is because of christianity that Nigerians believe poverty is spiritual

It is because of christianity that people believe selling tour soul to the devil can make you rich.

Yes I blame christianity in nigeria of the epidemic of money ritual we are experiencing.


In Islam miracles are not glorified. Christians should stop pretending they are the solution to the problem, YOU ARE THE CAUSE, YOU ARE THE REASON WHY EDUCATION IS A WASTE IN NIGERIA. AN EDUCATED CHRISTIAN STILL BELIEVES IN MIRACLE WEALTH, BELIEVE IN CURSE OF POVERTY, BELIEVE IN WITCHCRAFT AND WRALTH FROM THE DEVIL.

you guys are keeping superstitions that should have died long ago alive.

NNTR:
Lets cut to the chase.
Do you take it, as an impossible thing, for God to do, that it is, impossible for God to be, God the Father and Son, at the same time? (i.e. to simultaneously exist in Heaven as God, the Father and as Jesus, when He was on earth)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

tctrills:
I would have loved to reply to you, but This is too long, I don't know which to respond to. Maybe you should have posted one point at a time. Also, none of the verses you quoted contradicts anything I said, I actually agree with all the verses you quoted. God is a spirit and so is man. Our spirits came from God.
You ask if God excretes. The bible did not say so we both don't know. Of course, I agree that God's body is superior to that of man but I believe God when he said he created man in his image.
God said he created man in His Image, not in his Feelings and emotions. If God wanted to say feelings and emotions rather than Image, he would have. I don't believe God does not know what he was saying.

tctrills:
If you claim that the Holy Spirit is God's fingers then you are simply saying that he is an extension of God himself. Or would you want to explain yourself better?

jaxxy:
There are usually warning signs bt most people don’t care or are too busy to see them.

Revolution2022:
I open sniper to taste .As I put am for nose I won vomit.The thing still dey my house.If I get him time I go swallow am.

achorladey:
Those in those Bible accounts were not prophesying like your religious leaders do. Those in that are not prophets like your religious leaders say they are.

Luke 24:21
"But we were hoping that this man Jesus was the one who was going to deliver Israel"
Luke 24:25
But he Jesus said to them: O ye Foolish ones...."
Are the disciples Jews ?
Further proof is the screenshot.

Jesus Christ said they were FOOLISH,But them get SENSE pass Achorladey deceptive man DECEIVING himself.

achorladey:
You can continue peddling your deception. E no dey work. The publications of your religious leaders nailed them that they are false prophet of which you cannot deny.

Achorladey DECEIVING himself.
He deleted Matthew 26:31-35, Jesus disciples FALSE prediction.
1 Samuel 3:20 , Samuel is JEHOVAH's prophet.
1 Samuel 16:6 , Samuel FALSE prediction.

Achorladey deleted Matthew 26:31-35, 1 Samuel 3:20 & 1 Samuel 16:6 from his Bible.

TUEH !!!!!

tctrills:
Oh I get you, you mean the Holy Spirit is a part of God. Like they are one and the same?

tctrills:
We learn that man was created in the Image of God. Or simply put, we look like God. Then again we are told that God is a spirit, How do we reconcile the two?
Answer

tctrills:
God is a spirit just like man is also a spirit.

tctrills:
He has a spirit and a body just like man. With body parts just like man.

tctrills:
But man and God have independent spirits that are ethenal.

tctrills:
How do we know God has a body?
We know this from Jesus Christ Who has a body of Flesh and is the express Image of the Father.

tctrills:
Christ said, If you have seen me, you have seen my father.

tctrills:
The father looks just like Christ.

achorladey:
Continue your deceiving peddling all over nairaland. You cannot use all those Bible to defend your religious leaders. E no dey work.

tctrills:
Your point is that the Father sent the Holy Spirit to conceive Mary? That would make Jesus Christ the son of the Holy Spirit?

Exodus 8:19,God's finger performed a miracle in king Pharaoh's palace.
Luke 11:20 & Matthew 12:28,What is God's finger?
Answer= holy spirit.
OP, according to Jesus Christ (he is in the know,) ,@ Luke 11:20 & Matthew 12:28,is Jesus Christ the son of holy spirit?