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Rosement:
Oh, I should add articles to all the verses that claim Jesus is God in order to allow your claim make sense, the truth is I am not interested in pleasing you.

Rosement:
I have told you severally to hold on to your believe and not pester me. There is no need for you to continue bothering me, I will continue to worship Jesus as God as long as I live.

John 20:17, John wrote and Jesus said, "I am ascending to my God and your God"
1 Corinthians 11:1-3, we know Paul imitated Jesus Christ @ John 20:17.
Continue to worship your 3 deities

Rosement:
The New Testament was majorly written in Greek. Reading online articles or dwelling on what you are told will not help, try to go on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem and you will find out a lot of new things. There is a difference between Theós (God) and énas Theós (a god).

Yes !
[b]Greek lexicon 3588 2316>" the God" is the Father, God Almighty @ John1:1 ,@ John 14:1 & John 4:24 & from Genesis to Revelation.
Spot the difference and cure your Delusion

"Was God" meaning godlike, @ Exodus 4:16 , Exodus 7:1 & John 1:1.
Hosea 12 :3-4, Jacob "struggled with God, "struggled with the angel,at Bethel Jacob met God face to face"
Hosea,12:3-4, angel is God, this girl you dey reason am ?

achorladey:
LIE and call it light getting brighter

tctrills:
Since you believe the entire bible is a figurative book, you can clearly make any verse to be what you want it to be and I can't argue with that. If you tell me Christ's death was figurative, what can I say?

tctrills:
These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. not figurative. Please what is the figurative meaning of women here?

James 4:4, Adulteresses is tied to Friendship against God.
You know that Adulteresses reference "women", is it not?
Adulteresses at James 4:4 is NOT women !
Revelation 14:4 & James 4:4, the common thread is defilement in a spiritual sense.
2 Corinthians 11:2 virginity of the believers is the same virginity for the 144000 @Rev 14:4.
Revelation 2:10, they were promised the crown of life

tctrills:
First, are you saying that every word in the bible is figurative? what is your point?
So when the bible says Jesus was raised from the dead it means something else?

tctrills:
@ 12:05am, you already said "the 144000 were not the only people in heaven" Yes the bible never indicated figuratively or otherwise that these are the only people meant for heaven. the bible did not even mention heaven when talking about them

tctrills:

Revelation 14 :1-3 & James 4:4 have proven that it's not virginity in the literal sense & James 4:4 have proven that it's not virginity in the literal sense Lets reAD THESE VERSES TO FIND OUT WHERE IT SAYS THEY ARE NOT LITERAL VIRGINS.

Revelation 14 :1-3
Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.

James 4:4
4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

NONE OF THESE VERSES SAY THEY ARE NOT LITERAL VIRGINS

tctrills:
It's clearly written, they are Christ's entourage to follow him everywhere he goes.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Revelation 1:1, Jesus presented the revelation in signs to John. .

2 Corinthians 11:2 were the Corinthian believers virgins?

Oga, shine your eyes.
2 Corinthians 11:2 & Revelation 14:4, are saying the same thing- virginity is in the spiritual sense.
Oga, is there gender in the spiritual realm where Jesus is dwelling?

You can't convince yourself that every believer in Corinth is a virgin

tctrills:
Again, Revelations 14 did not say these men were with Christ in heaven. They stood with him on mount Sion.

Up till now you have not pointed me to where the bible says only these men would be in heaven

tctrills:
Wrong again. First just because the bible did not speak literally in Isaiah does not mean that every verse in the bible isn't literal. That obviously makes no sense.

These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

This is not figurative.

tctrills:
Oga, in the old testament, Isaiah 57:3-13, JEHOVAH accused Israel of spiritual immorality, were they fornicating with women?
No !!! I am not getting your point. You just said they were accused of spiritual immorality, not physical immorality. What is your point?

tctrills:
The righteous.
The kind, matt 25 remember.
The pure in heart.
Those that overcome.
The 12 disciples.. including the non Virgin's among themy
The born again
And I can go on and on.

tctrills:
My brother, we don't just decide to call stuff figurative for argument's sake. John was very clear, he explained that these guys have never been with women.
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You don't want to accept Revelation 14:1-3.
It changes everything you ever believed

tctrills:
Secondly, we are never told that these are the only people to go to heaven.

John the Baptiser was a virgin.
Matthew 11:11, did he go to heaven?
Never !

tctrills:
That's the major issue here. You need to show why you think John was being figurative.
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tctrills:
I honestly don't know if we use the same bible
Let's see what Revelation 5:9-10 & Revelation 14:1,3 says in my bible.
Revelation 5:9-10... This is Gods blessing for the righteous nothing about 144000.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Revelation 14:1,3
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Revelation 14:3

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

tctrills:
Nothing about these 144000 musicians being the only ones to make heaven.

tctrills:
These are clearly Jesus Christ's entourage. It was never indicated that they are the only ones in heaven.
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

MaxInDHouse:
(1) I told you NO abbreviations so question 1 will wait until you tell me the meaning.

(2) Teachings help us to know who share our line of thought so it's easier to relate with such persons than other neighbours! Matthew 12:46-50

(3) Christianity was built on LOVE for God and neighbours, all the religions on this planet are looking forward to see how LOVE will flourish in the midst of Christians but due to politics and racism Satan has enslaved all other religions making them kill one another {Revelations 6:3-4} the Catholic Church was built on paganism and they're claiming CHRISTIANS. All these religions protested against the Catholic yet they're all following the tradition of Catholic. So despite the fact that they can't figure out why LOVE, JOY and PEACE is missing throughout the world Catholicism is profaning the name of Christ as they failed woefully to produce the fruitage of faith! James 2:18-26

tctrills:
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Revelation 5:9-10,
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

How is this connected you your 144,000. Revelation 5:9-10 never said they were 144,000

[i]Revelation 5:9-10 & Revelation 14:3, says[/i]144,000 were redeemed from the earth to rule in heaven as priests and kings (with Christ) over the earth"

Shikena

tctrills:
Genesis 1:26-28 & Isaiah 45:18 & Matthew 5:5 says nothing about your 144,000. What verse says only 144,000 would be in heaven biko?

tctrills:
Yes I do but I would love to hear your version. And please stick to the bible and no conspiracy theory ok.
Revelation 1
1[b] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him[/b], to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:


5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 14:1-3
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Revelation 14 says John saw Jesus with hundred forty and four thousand on mount Sion, is that it? Like really? How does this tell you that only
these hundred forty and four thousand people are going to heaven?

You are honestly not going to tell me that this was where you got that 144,000 idea from?

Ijaycool:
Ijaycool:
1. What is the JW's standing on LGBTQ issues?

Ijaycool:
2. Does any JW's teaching encourage Holier than Thou attitude?

Ijaycool:
3. There seems to be an extra attack from JW on the Catholic church, can you tell me what the official standing is on this matter?

tctrills:
No number is stated, whats your point. If you want to take the place of the young man, welcome, this is a forum, you can answer the question

tctrills:
Honestly I don't understand what you mean.

Emusan:
That means, you're also a pagan like Russell and his pagan team because WTBTS also claimed to be Christians with contradictory teachings.



That's not what Jesus did



Are you Jesus to have known who is practicing TRUE CHRISTIANITY?

Emusan:
This is Matt 24:9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me"

This was said by Jesus also in Matt 5:11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me."

Where in those verses didn't you see Jesus said people will be persecuted because of speaking against false religions claiming believers?

The spirit of your father the devil is really working well in you

Emusan:
It's evident you don't understand her post which I'm not surprised because I know you lack simple comprehension.



Where did Christ present better performing group?



We all know this is number one attribute of JWs.

tctrills:
Please don't forget, you promised to show me where the bible said 144 people would go to heaven. I trust you would keep your promise

Rosement:
Relevation 1:8
Jesus called Himself God in the Bible.
Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
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8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty."

Revelation 1:1 God gave revelation to Jesus Christ.
Revelation 1:6, " Jesus made us priests to his God & Father"

Revelation 1:8
In your KJV bible, from Genesis to Revelation, the Lord God Almighty is the God and Father of Jesus Christ.

Rose girl,You have the option to continue DECEIVING yourself.

Rosement:
Twisting of life. Anyway, I don't blame you, Russell, your master has limited you guys. Perhaps, you only finished primary school because anybody that understands English will definitely understand this verse, even a five years old will interpret this verse properly.
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Rosement:
I have told you I am not forcing you to learn. Just stop criticizing and insulting the Christian doctrine and follow the religion your level of IQ allow you to understand. Why are you fetching water into a basket? What will your criticisms do? It can't change anything so your arguments are pointless, the truth is very clear. Nobody Christian will bow to your words, they are just empty words without points.

Just use your common sense, would you like it or keep quiet if we Christians open threads to insult or criticize your group, just because we don't agree with your beliefs? Your belief is really none of our business, practice your doctrines in peace and stop disturbing, that is all we are asking from you.

If you want to preach your belief, preach it. You don't have to criticize others religion before you preach yours.

John 20:17, did Jesus Christ worship 3 persons?
Continue WAILING upandan with childish tantrum.
3 godheads Polytheists doctrine is NOT Jesus doctrine. John 7:16

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Emusan:
You're surprised that your brothers and sisters in Bulgaria do tranfuse blood

You never see anything

Emusan:
[s]Pot calling kettle black!

Can you see how confused your are?
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Just because your brothers and sisters in Bulgaria are allowed to do blood transfusion.

Yet you said, the organization never restricts anyone from doing it.

Emusan:
All these are happening simply because you've been brainwashed beyond measure to defend anymore organization rather than standing for the Word of God.

Nelidee:
No need to go there and do that. They're already doing that to themselves, saving their loved ones while you Stand there and watch your loved ones die.

Really nice isn't it?

Emusan:
He lied that WTBTS never RESTRICTS anyone from blood transfusion.

When taking blood transfusion can lead to your disfellowsip.

Emusan continue DECEIVING yourself.

cornelboy:
The bible gave what they use for the calculation. But it certainly not from prophecy if you read the history well.

Emusan:
So you agreed that those date pop out by your founder Charles Taze Russell predecessors are mistakes out of overzealousness not that they actually read it from Bible nor being told by Jehovah.

Yet they attached it to Jehovah as they are directed by Him.

Dtruthspeaker:
Do not eat meat with blood is The Law.

The law was specific to eating it can not be extended to transfusion.

But any way, you have the ability to lose your life by refusal to take medication however the rightfullness of it is clearly beyond our jurisdiction.

So till Judgement Day then!

Now, it is proven you are clearly JW and not in transformation as you represented to me, but you are keeping your dogmas level, which is appreciated by me.

Dtruthspeaker:
The Law prohibiting alcohol is clearly proven by the bad and harmful effects of alcohol in distorting the lawful conduct of a person.

The law prohibiting eating of meat with blood is clearly meant to distinguish the man from his similar animal neighbours.

Dtruthspeaker:
Thus, the use of blood for healing purposes, especially in the absence of an alternative, to preserve life, to my opinion does not violate or qualify as eating, exactly as using prohibited alcohol for treating wounds and cuts.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are just repeating your dogmas as your kind always do when they can not present any reasonable and valid counter.

And you have not offered any reasonable counter as to how eating can be reasonably stretched to mean the application of healing substances to a person in dire need of healing.



Same as the Catholics who say that there is a place other than hell and heaven simply because of their own "insights from the Bible" that "there are sins not unto death"

And we all say they are wrong! Why?
exactly like you guys, it is human created

For Catholics, WISH FULL THINKING SO THAT THEY CAN THEREFORE PERPETRATE WHAT THEY CALL AND THEY WOULD CALL "SMALL SMALL SINS" IN CONTRAVENTION OF THE LAW OF HOLINESS!

FOR YOU GUYS, IT IS THE DECEIT OF "WE INTEND TO OBEY THE LAW OF GOD WHICH NO ONE ELSE WILL OBEY, SO YOUR PEOPLE HAVE MANUFACTURED A SEEMINGLY DEBATABLE AREA WITH WHICH YOU GUYS CAN USE TO SEPARATE YOURSELF FROM THE CROWD.

HENCE YOUR PROMOTERS WILL ALWAYS SHOUT "WE ARE SPECIAL". THEREBY TAKING IT UPON THEMSELVES TO "PECULIARIZE" THEMSELVES, RATHER THAN OBEY GOD WHO HATH LAID WHAT PECULIAR/SPECIAL SHALL BE, WHICH IS, HOLINESS AND SIN-NONE-NESS AND YOUR PEOPLE, EXACTLY AS THE REST OF THE WORLD, THEY ALSO FAIL IN THIS AREA OF LAW!

All in all The Great and Mighty All Law Knowing Judge, will decide and I am not The Judge, just a little Lawyer Applying God's Diverse Laws to this issue.