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Rosement:
Why do you keep quoting verses that are not related to this discussion? Christmas is not mentioned or discussed in the Bible verses you have been quoting throughout our discussion.

Mark 6:21
"And when a convenient day was come, that Herod on his birthday made a supper to his lords, high captains, and chief estates of Galilee;"
Why did you quote this verse again? How times will I tell you that I am not related to herod and he is not my role model?

Matthew 5:20 "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven".
Mark 8:15 "And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod."
I don't understand why you quoted these verses. Matthew 5:20 and Mark 8:15 has nothing to do with Christmas or birthdays. Jesus was only talking about hypocrisy. He was warning us not to be hypocrites like you and your other cult members. You and your cult members are always boasting like the pharisees.

You guys are always trying to force us to believe that you are saints and you are always behaviouring as if your belief is the most noble, to the extend that you don't see anything wrong in forcing your beliefs on others. We Christians are not like you, we don't force our beliefs on others. When we go for evangelism, we don't add to or subtract from people's doctrine. We ask people to repent and come to Christ, it is after people have converted and became Christians that they start following the Christian doctrines.
How is my love for Christmas your business? Am I forcing you to celebrate Christmas or am I a member of your cult? Why are you trying to force me to follow your doctrine?

Act 12:22 "And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man".
This verse is not even in anyway related to this discussion.

Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen".
I still don't understand why you keep quoting this verse. Jesus was only telling us to follow all His commandments and don't celebrate Christmas is not part of His command.

Don't mention me again, if you don't have anything relevant to say.

Rosement says:
" I still don't understand why you keep quoting this verse. Jesus was only telling us to follow all His commandments and don't celebrate Christmas is not part of His command"

She won't understand her own post

Rosement:
But our own truth is not logically true. Do you expect me to accept your lies?

Jesus loves celebrating a lot, He observed a lot of celebrations with His parents when He was a child and He did not condemn any of the celebrations. Instead, He took celebrations more serious when He became an adult. (Luke 2:40-43)
Jesus was too eager to eat the Passover food with His disciples. (Luke 22:14-15)
Matzah is Passover and the Feast of unleavened bread. (Luke 22:7-9)
Today, the Jewish people do not only celebrate Passover as a historical event, now they celebrate it in a broader sense, as their freedom as Jews and the birth of the Jewish nation after being freed by God from captivity.

Jesus loved celebrations to the extend that He attended the Feast of Tabernacles secretly when the Judean leaders were looking for Him with the intention of killing Him.
Sukkot is the Feast of Tabernacles (John 7:1-10).

Is the day Jesus came into the world to deliver us from satan not important?
Hanukkah was not even specifically ordained in the books of Moses, it is just a festival commemorating the recovery of Jerusalem and subsequent rededication of the Second Temple at the beginning of the Maccabean revolt against the Seleucid Empire but Jesus still celebrated it, why did He not ignore it or condemn it. Jesus does not enjoy mourning like you and your master, satan. He loves celebrating a lot
Hanukkah is the Feast of Dedication or Festival of Lights. (John 10: 22-23).

Jews are known to always mark and celebrate their wins, why should I not celebrate my wins? Time will not permit me to list all Feasts that Jews celebrated.
Shabbat is the Feast of First Fruits (Matthew 28:1)
Shavuot is the Feast of Weeks (Acts 2:1).

There are so many activities that are not recorded that Jews did that we are doing today.
Why did you attend primary school and secondary school? Did Jews attend normal schools like us.

I expect your cult to also be against birth control. Why are you guys hypocrites? Birth control is seen as a personal decision and is left to the individual's conscience in your cult because it is not directly discussed in the Bible but Christmas is also not directly discussed in the Bible, yet, your cult is against it.

The truth is you and your cult members are only angry because you hate celebrations, your master, satan cannot even stand seeing people celebrate. It is better for you and your master to keep quiet. There is nothing for you to say again, you have been exposed.

Emusan:
At least we have seen the meaning in Greek, how come this same meaning is missing in your translation?

NWT “Take this and pass it from one to the other among yourselves"

From the Greek you posted distribute/divide/share how come this was changed to "PASS IT" by NWT?

It's evident you're lost in your own lies.

Rosement:
Why are you trying to explain a doctrine that you don't understand, don't you feel you are insulting my religion? What right do you have to insult other people's religion? If not because I am a Christian and I am not interested insulting in other people's religion, I would have dragged your religion through the mud.

Even though I don't believe in your doctrine, I will not poke my nose into your own doctrines or try to understand your doctrines? Please just face your own religion and stop all this nonsense.

John 8:32, you show know the truth and the truth shall set you free"

The Bible truth is NEVER a mystery, you can't understand.
Your GIBBERISH should remain a mystery to you by your choice.
That's your problem

Emusan:
We do avoid them but sometimes we do let them know that Holy Spirit the great Teacher is with US by giving them Bible study their 8 old men denied them.

Rosement:
I don't have any personal beef with you, I just wanted to teach you to respect other people's faith and doctrine.

If you are not demonic, why on earth will you behaviour so mannerless? I pray God forgives you,
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You are very, very insecure.
Rosement & anger issues are inseparable
I said you are a "Trinity believer" & kobojunkie is a "Trinity believer", what is the crime in that statement?

Did you respect "respect other people's faith and doctrine" when you tag & called me "demonic "?
Go & cure your low self esteem & anger issues & seek God's forgiveness.
I'm not your problem at all

Rosement:
Nobody is a fool or a dummy, we all have the ability to debate but what is the point of debating. Nobody gains anything at the end of a religious debate, it can only lead to quarrels and insults, that is why I try to avoid it at all cost. Hold on to your belief and allow me hold on to mine. That is the best way, we can live peaceful with one another
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Rosement:
I did not have any previous discussion with you, you just came out of the blue and started speaking against God.

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You are very insecure coupled with your anger issues.

God NEVER said I'm speaking against HIM.
You have ZERO proof for your GIBBERISH

Rosement:
Since you are not allowed to do anything or use anything that is not mentioned in the Bible. Why are you and your cult members allowed to use phones and drive cars. Hypocrites.
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Rosement:
Blanket is recorded in the Bible but it is not recorded that Jesus used blanket. Why are you using blankets. Hypocrites.
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Rosement:
If Christmas is a sin because it is not recorded in the Bible or because pagans were the ones recorded to celebrate birthdays. Then everything that is not recorded that Jesus used should be considered a sin as long as pagans used them. Hypocrites.

Rosement:
Seventy people's head was placed in a basket, why did Jesus not say it was a sin to use basket because of that. Hypocrites.
2 Kings 10:7
7 And it came to pass, when the letter came to them, that they took the king's sons, and slew seventy persons, and put their heads in baskets, and sent him them to Jezreel.

Rosement:
John 6:13
So they gathered them up, and filled twelve baskets with broken pieces from the five barley loaves, which were left over by those who had eaten.

Rosement:
You are giving sin and Righteousness the wrong definition, I am surprised, you are just like your master, satan.

Rosement:
Righteousness means morally right or justifiable.It is not defined as doing the opposite of what herod did or what your masters does.

Rosement why do you DECEIVE yourself?
Mark 6:18, is king Herod morally right to marry his brother's wife?
Will Rosement practice that?
Matthew 28:20, Jesus did NOT teach birthday celebration and neither practice it.
Is it righteousness to add birthday celebration to Bible doctrine,a pagan practice forbidden by ALL servants of God ?
Mark 8:15 Jesus ranks king Herod with the Pharisees.
Mark 8:15 & Matthew 5:20 , when you copy the practices of king Herod, are you approved by Jesus Christ & his Father?

Rosement:
Sin is an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law. Nobody can set the standard for God. God did not ask us to study herod and do the opposite of what he did.

Rosement:
herod worn cloth
herod ate food
herod lived in a house
herod get married
herod had kids
If I decide to list a lot of things herod did, I will end up spending the whole day.

Rosement:
Jesus died at 33 years, that means He lived on earth for more than 12,000 days. So all His activities couldn't have possibly been recorded in the Bible, even those Jews that were mentioned in the Bible, their whole activities were not recorded. There are a lot of activities that were not recorded in the Bible that we do. You are also living a civilized life, is this the way Jesus lived His life or is this the way Jews lived their lives? Hypocrites.

rottennaija:
I beginning to think that he is deliberately behaving ignorant. He see it, but how can he contradict his governing body? Imagine the shame Janosky would face if he were to accept that the rendering by NWT IN Lu 22:17 is give a different mindset among the JWs.

@ Luke 22:17

Greek 1266 dia merizo
= distribute/divide/share

Rott WAILER & Emusan LIENUS in sifia pains

achorladey:
You can just imagine the great length Mr NO GET SENSE PEDDLER will go to rope those men of old into their FALSE PROPHESYING and PREDICTIONS. All these Bible accounts have been countered and debunked repeatedly. I believe na to save face remain for am.

I have asked the Mr NO GET SENSE PEDDLER to show me where Jesus gave the girl GIFTS in Acts 16: 16- 18. He wants to rope Jesus into their false prophesying paapaa. E no dey shock or surprise us. He has said Jesus supports IDOLATRY and IDOLATERS Na him NO GET SENSE PEDDLING dey cause am.

Emusan:
Thou Samuel never claimed God is the who instructed him to choose Eliab then according to you.

Which means both Samuel and JWs are false prophets.

Then this thread is dead on arrival.
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Emusan:
Olodo that didn't even know different between when God speak and when human used their perception.

Samuel used his human perception reason while God corrected him. Even the verse made this clear "6 When they arrived, Samuel saw Eliab and thought, “Surely the Lord’s anointed stands here before the Lord.”

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Emusan:
You haven't answered my question!

Did what Paul write contained error or mistakes?

Emusan:
No because Bible wasn't about Paul but God used him to pen down His word which contains no error or mistakes that's why you consider Paul's writings as INSPIRED.

Emusan:
This is your own assumption, if Peter was confident with divine backing at least Jesus will commend him just as Jesus did when the same Peter said Jesus is the Son of God.

For Jesus to rebuke him means that's not what God says but just Peter own perception which is not a prophecy.

Emusan:
I've given you Bible study on that

Samuel "THOUGHT" get that into your empty skull.

Emusan:
Las Las JWs are false prophets which Deu 16:22 addressed.

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1 Samuel 16:6,Emusan LIENUS says las las prophet Samuel the Jehovah's witness is a false prophet.
Emusan DECEIVING himself

1 Samuel 3:20 & Isaiah 43:10, Samuel is Jehovah's witness, chosen by JEHOVAH God.

Emusan:
So this thread that makes it looks like they aren't is dead on arrival. Our God the great YAHWEH has instructed us not to listen to such prophet.

Singlenhappy:
you guys who are the professional Christian religious followers who do only the right things, right feasts and right denomination,why not mind your saddist Christianity and allow the rest of us who are not responsible, faithful and professional Christians who enjoy celebration the essence and substance of Christianity which is our redemption. Continue your religion and leave us alone, you can't stop to enter our rest,peace,joy of our salvation simply bcoz you hold the key to the kingdom and you refuse to enter still you are stopping others from entering. We will resist your pharasaic,sadducist ideology and enter with into our rest with violence bcoz they voilent must take it by force. You're just a sadist. Thank you!

The principles of Genesis 40:20 , Mark 6:14,21 & Mark 8:15, means nothing to deluded 3 godheads Polytheists whose god is their belly, WAILING upandan over rice and chicken

Rosement:
There is no verse in the Bible where Jesus told us that we are not allowed to celebrate Christmas. Stop trying to add to the Bible. If your own master doesn't permit you that is your problem, how is it my business?
ROMANS 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Genesis 40:20 & Mark 6:21 are Bible principles written for our instructions to guide believers today,Romans 15:4.
Birthdays/Christmas are pagan festivities.
Christ is the standard. Did Jesus celebrate Christmas and command every believer to do it @ Romans 14:6?
Capital no!

Your misquote of Romans 14:6 to copy the practice of pagan Pharaoh & king Herod is weak attempt of desperate straw man deception.

Rosement:
You cannot tempt me, even satan your master tried to tempt my Jesus, he even quoted the Bible but nobody can debate the truth or subject the literal truth to extreme tests, so don't waste your time. Go and debate with your fellow Idol worshippers. I am not interested in debating with you.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

Emusan:
I know you're dull but I'll continue to lecture you on Bible study.

First, that's not a prophecy but Samuel own perception which God rejected.

Samuel didn't claim God is the one who instructed him to choose Eliab.

Did Samuel claim God is the one who instructed him to choose Eliab? No!

This Mr LIENUS eehnn !!!!
Mr LIAR, Prophet Samuel's prediction was Eliab is God's anointed one,1 Samuel 16:6.
In other words, Eliab is the anointed (meaning "chosen" by God.
Stop deceiving yourself,Mr LIENUS. ;[/b]D

Emusan:
My post you quoted, it was clearly stated by WTBTS that [b]"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

So if watchtower publications aren't a product of any man which is means it's Jehovah works, then why containing errors and failed predictions?

Emusan LIENUS,why do you DECEIVE yourself?
1 Samuel 3:20, Prophet Samuel , JEHOVAH's prophet called by the true God made the FALSE prediction of 1 Samuel 16:6.
Face that bitter truth in your Bible

Emusan:
Yes! I boldly say that but their works never contained error which is the reason you and your lying organization trust Bible as unerring inspired work of God in the first place.

Did what Paul write contained any mistake or errors?

This is a simple question.

You can't stop displaying your ignorance.

Emusan:
Peter never claimed God told him what he said it's from Him.

Lemme lecture you again by rephrase that portion you quoted.

31 Then Jesus told them, “This very night you will all fall away on account of me,for it is written:

“‘I will strike the shepherd,
and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’

32 But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.”
33 Peter replied, “Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will [because Jehovah told me].”
34 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, [even if Jehovah told you] “this very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times."
35 But Peter declared, “Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you [this is what Jehovah made me to understand]” And all the other disciples said the same."

As you can see, this is just their OWN HUMAN PERCEPTIONS not divinely giving.
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Emusan:
Compare to your organization who still claimed no human opinion is expressed in watchtower but still contained errors and wrong predictions.

1. Bible isn't a product of human mind = inspired = No error/mistakes
2. Watchtower isn't a product of human opinions but solely Jehovah = wrong predictions /mistakes
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Emusan:
Bible has a message for you and your organization

You will know, because if the Lord says something will happen, it will happen. And if it doesn’t, you will know that the prophet was falsely claiming to speak for the Lord. Don’t be afraid of any prophet whose message doesn’t come from the Lord. Deu 18:22 CEV

The reason why your organization wants to deny be a prophet which is the reason for this thread is because of this verse and the failed predictions in Jehovah name.

johnw47:
[s]Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool
fraud[/s] jw janosky
Jesus returns with the shout of the archangel
the dead in Christ are raised with the Trumpet of God/the voice of Christ:

1Co 15:52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

johnw47:
michael and his angels throw satan and his angels out of heaven, and
Jesus returns with His angels, so you say Jesus is the archangel michael

johnw47:
the angels are Jehovah's angels. so to your way of thinking
angel michael is Jehovah God

Capital not !
This pastor is too daft
Trumpet of God = indicator of ownership.
1 Corinthians 3:23 & John 17:7, who owns Jesus Christ?
Who owns the trumpet of 1 Thessalonians 4:16?
God owns everything= Ephesians 3:14-15.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 Archangel Michael ,ie Jesus Christ is blowing the trumpet of his Father.

johnw47:
most duh one, michael throws satan out of heaven, but for the faithful, Jesus defeated satan forever at the cross/stake, col 2:13-15

1 John 3:8 & Revelation 12:7-9 is the fulfillment of Genesis 3:15 prophetic decree.

1 John 3:8 & Revelation 12:7-9, apostle John is telling pastor LIENUS : Receive SENSE.

jmoore:
Simple question and you are writing epistle.

Did Jesus command you to use internet?

Daniel 12:4 is Jesus against the proliferation of knowledge via the internet?


Daniel 12:4
Many will travel everywhere, and knowledge will grow."

Daniel 12:4 is far beyond your level of comprehension.
Kpele

Rosement:
I am not surprised that you are just contradicting yourself because you are just like your master, satan. he also use to try to quote Bible verses to his advantage.
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Mark 6:21 King Herod,a pagan celebrated his birthday.
Mark 8:15, Jesus calls king Herod a Pharisee.
Acts 12:21-22, God punished king Herod.
Rosement, what is the contradiction in Mark6:21?

Rosement kpele

Rosement:
What concern me with what herod your brother in faith does or does not do.
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Rosement:
He is not even relevant to me. Oh, I understand, you are trying to say birthdays are only for your gods and high ranked members of your cult but I am not a member of your cult, don't expect me to respect the law and order of your court.

Rosement:
You want me to study everything Herod did, even the things that are not in the Bible and start doing the opposite.

Rosement:
[s]Maybe, I should even stop dancing because Herod's daughter was dancing on his birthday or I should stop eating meat and wearing clothes because Herod use to eat meat and wear clothes? If you like cry from now till tomorrow, I will never study or reverence your masters and high ranked members of your cult.[/s]

The other day, you said Jesus and herod were friends, you might even be assuming that your master, satan and Jesus are friends.

Rosement:
Is that the lie satan is feeding you or is that why you are worshipping him?

This is the zenith of your buffoonery.
Haba !!!!!!

Rosement:
But Jesus did not tell His followers that He and herod are close friends and Jesus did not tell His followers that herod invited Him to his birthday party but He refused to attend. The only encounter I know Jesus had with herod is in Luke 23:8:11.
8 And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him.
9 Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing.
10 And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused him.
11 And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate.
[quote author=Rosement post=108893872]My Jesus did not attend herod's birthday party because He was not invited.
Jesus is not known to be nosy like you and your masters. Even the wedding at Cana in Galilee, Jesus attended it because He was invited
John 2: 22
1. On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there,
2. and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding.

ROMANS 14:6
6. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Rosement, show this public forum the proof of Jesus doing his own birthday celebration from Genesis to Revelation .
Did Jesus command you, Rosement to do birthday party for him or in his name?

Rosement is throwing tantrums upandan on this public forum.

Emusan:
God has been using imperfect human

How does this contribute to the post?

Emusan:
But did what Paul write contained any mistake or error?
Yet you accept all Paul's writings as inspired and free from errors.
Can you say the same about JWs?

But does any Paul's writings contain error?

Emusan:
I know you can't answer Yes/No, rather beating around the bush.

We know you Mr dey deceive yourself.

35 But Peter declared, “Even if I have to die with you,I will never disown you.” And all the other disciples said the same."

Emusan, did the predictions of Jesus disciples come true?

Like the disciples, like Paul, like JWs.
Emusan will continue to beat about the bush.

BadRadio:
Just find a lady that's goal oriented, a supportive woman, a visionary, an independent woman with good manners and culinary skills... a graduate perhaps and get married. Stop checking for virginity and body counts.... just get married !!!

It is fair to say that you may have defiled and abused your countless ex's, but they are now married, If the guys who married them were scouting for virgins or were checking body counts like you are doing now then all the ladies in the world will grow old without getting married.


Goan marry joor !!!

Rosement:
Modified
If you are a Christian, don't argue with janosky, he is a demonic agent, he is only doing what is master sent him. Even the devil can quote the Bible.

Sifia pained Rosement kpele
The holy scriptures have burst your bubbles.
Mark 6:21 & Mark 8:15, Jesus Christ says king Herod, your exemplar & birthday celebrant is a Pharisee.

Continue WAILING upandan throwing childish tantrums everywhere

achorladey:
Here is Acts 16:16

Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a female slave who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling

Where is Jesus in this account [b]MR NO GET SENSE PEDDLER[/b]

In the screenshots evidences..........
MaxinDHouse reply to thorpido:
The girl @ Acts16:16, her gift of magic is inborn.

On July 19th,2021, @11:23am,Achorladey did you post to reply thorpido moniker ?
Yes !

Achorladey @ Ephesians 4:7-8, did Jesus Christ bestow gifts in men?
Yes !

Did you, Achorladey quote Ephesians 4:8 in your reply to thorpido moniker?
Yes!
Achorladey said Jesus bestowed gift of magic on the demon possessed girl.

Today, December 28,2021, this deceptive fellow, Achorladey is LYING and deny his own comment on 19th July,2021.
Achorladey is a very deceptive fellow.
Shame on you !!!!!!!!!!.

Emusan:
It's called grand delusional.

They can only manipulate the mind of their followers not the scripture.

Observe this quote and compare it with what they are trying to say on this thread and even the purpose of this thread.

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

If NO MAN OPINION is expressed in watchtower Publications then from where did those failed predictions appear?

The irony of it and most ridiculous is that years later, see what another publication claimed.

"The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers." Awake! 1993 Mar 22 p.4

Just imagine the nonsense some people are trying to defend.

Emusan LIENUS, Continue WAILING upandan and type GIBBERISH.

1 Chronicles 17:2-4, Emusan go and delete Prophet Nathan's false message from your Bible.

1 Samuel 16:6, go and delete Prophet Samuel's FALSE prediction from your Bible.

thorpido:
You're damn right.They seem to have perfected the manipulations of scriptures.

SMH.Jehovah's false witnesses with the twist and turns of the Scriptures.I tire!

Acts 16:18, Oga thorpido why would Paul in the name of Jesus heal the girl demon possessed girl if her gifts came from Jesus?

Oga, Acts 16:18 have exposed your GIBBERISH thoroughly.

achorladey:
He will continue to go back and forth with you on that.


For it says: “When he ascended on high he carried away captives; he gave gifts in men........NWT

New International Version
This is why it says: “When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.”

New Living Translation
That is why the Scriptures say, “When he ascended to the heights, he led a crowd of captives and gave gifts to his people.”

English Standard Version
Therefore it says, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.”

Berean Study Bible
This is why it says: “When He ascended on high, He led captives away, and gave gifts to men.”

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore it says: "Having ascended on high, He led captive captivity, and gave gifts to men."

King James Bible
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

New King James Version
Therefore He says: “When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men.”

New American Standard Bible
Therefore it says, “WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE THE CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO PEOPLE.”

NASB 1995
Therefore it says, “WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN.”

NASB 1977
Therefore it says, “WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN.”

Amplified Bible
Therefore it says, “WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVITY CAPTIVE, AND HE BESTOWED GIFTS ON MEN.”

Christian Standard Bible
For it says: When he ascended on high, he took the captives captive; he gave gifts to people.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For it says: When He ascended on high, He took prisoners into captivity; He gave gifts to people.

American Standard Version
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended on high, he led captivity captive, And gave gifts unto men.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Therefore it is said, “He ascended to the heights and took captivity prisoner and he has given gifts to the children of men.”

Contemporary English Version
As the Scriptures say, "When he went up to the highest place, he led away many prisoners and gave gifts to people."

In their NWT it is IN in most translations it is TO.

This Achorladey deceptive clown, again?
In your quote wey we no know the chapter and verse "....He bestowed gifts on men"
@ Acts 16:16, did He (Jesus) bestow devilish gifts of spiritism and magic on that girl?

Achorladey and deception tie wrapper.
Continue typing GIBBERISH

Haba !!!!!!!

RussellRutherfo:
That Jano is a deluded.
I don't know if that is what clown was trained to do at "Bethel". He is always quoting several bibles verses that he has never read and that have no connection whatsoever with the lies he is trying to tell as an active Publisher employee of the real estate tract selling corporation.

I guess he doesn't really read these verses and only throws them out to try and distract the person.

Deluded LYING Rutherfo bigot

Emusan:
You're still unable to address my point. Anyways, I don't expect much from you.

Here it is again.

Paul claimed inspiration that is why you and your 8 men can agreed that Paul's writings are INSPIRED & infallible.

Paul didn't acknowledge TO BE PERFECT

But did Paul CLAIMED THAT HIS TEACHINGS AND WRITINGS not PERFECT after claimed to be INPSIRED?

Capital NO!

MY question: Did Paul later claim that His teachings and writings not perfect and fallible after claimed to be INSPIRED?

paulGrundy:
I can't even understand all you wrote? What's the relationship between my comments and the Bible quotations you made?
paulGrundy:
Guess what It's a lie..lemme give you a proof. Your "FDS" prided themselves in predicting the end of WW2.

"In 1942 the "faithful and discreet slave" guided by Jehovah's unerring spirit made known that the democracies would win World War II and that there would be a United Nations organization set up." Watchtower 1960 Jul 15 p.444

If it had been the other way round, they would have screamed false expectations, can you now see the double standards/hypocrisy??

When the watchtower claims that all contained in it's literature is from Jehovah God and then in that same literature claims that the chronology that led to it's failed, now discarded prediction is from Jehovah, what sense do you make of that?

achorladey:
Thanks for the confirmation that many HYPOCRITE and those not having same line of thought ABOUNDS in the midst of the only loving, peaceful and joyful group all over the world.

Pe le ti e

KNOWMORE56:
When the Bible says man is a living soul... soul is not = flesh...( a lot of explanations but let's go gradually)

verses that shows human has spirit, soul and body. And that the flesh is not the same thing with the soul :

*. 1 Corinthians 2:11"KJV:For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him ? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."

*. 2 Corinthians 7:1 "KJV:Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God."

*. Galatians 5-17 "KJV:For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh : and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."

*. Matthew 10:28 " KJV:And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"

*. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 " KJV:And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

*. Isaiah 10:18 " KJV:And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body : and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth."

*. Hebrews 4:12 " KJV:For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit , and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

*. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 " KJV:And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Note the following:
flesh and spirit ; soul and body ; soul and spirit or spirit and soul you will then understand that human is three in one.

The soul is the body in the spiritual realms while the flesh is the body in the physical realms...

Save a soul on Sabbath or kill a soul on Sabbath.
,lOga spirits dey do Sabbath?
Oga, Mark 3:4 & Matthew 10:28, who kills the soul?
Do you know more than Jesus Christ?

rottennaija:
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/05/26/in-new-book-a-prominent-jehovahs-witness-trashes-the-faiths-governing-body/

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Dr. Rolf Furuli is a celebrity in parts of the Jehovah’s Witness world.

The religious group has abysmal rates of formally educated members — 63% of JW adults have “no more than a high school diploma” — and that’s partly because the organization says higher education is spiritually dangerous. But Furuli, who lives in Norway, has long been the guy they point to as a scholar who shares their beliefs. He’s a professor! He publishes papers and books!

Witnesses trot out his name like Creationist Ken Ham lauds Ph.D.s on his staff. It lends the group a sort of credibility they wouldn’t otherwise deserve.

rottennaija:
Furuli isn’t just a casual JW believer, either. He defends the weird stuff. He supports the ban on blood transfusions. He believes Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE, rather than the historically accepted date of 587 BCE, which is a huge deal for JW believers. He even served as a “circuit overseer” and “district overseer” in the 1960s and 1970s, meaning he was a local leader of the faith.

He’s the real deal. He’s never left the religion. While he opposes their rejection of higher education, that’s not a matter of salvation, per se, so that has never really diminished his credibility.

That’s why it’s a big deal that he’s about to release a book titled My Beloved Religion — And The Governing Body (which isn’t available online but can be purchased by sending an email to awatu-publishers@sf-nett.no) in which he both defends the religion… and takes a lot of huge swipes at the leadership of the organization.

Pointing out the problems with JW leadership is like a Republican senator up for election in 2020 calling out Donald Trump — it’s practically an unforgivable sin. As one YouTuber put it, the one thing you cannot do as a Jehovah’s Witness is criticize its leadership. That YouTuber also asked Furuli if he was worried he would be disfellowshipped for what he wrote — meaning he could be ejected from the faith and cut off from any loved ones who still believe. He responded, “I know I will be disfellowshipped.”

rottennaija:
In the book, among other things, he argues that the Governing Body of the Witnesses has way too much power. As he writes in the introduction:

Today, the eight men of the Governing Body functions as a government for JW with unlimited power. They have the power over the doctrines, the assets, and the money, and their words and decisions cannot be questioned. This is a situation that violates a number of Bible principles.

rottennaija:
For example, the Witnesses have a long list of ways someone could be disfellowshipped, like committing adultery or child abuse. No controversy there. But then there’s this sin:
Causing divisions and promoting sects: This would be deliberate action disrupting the unity of the congregation or undermining the confidence of the brothers in Jehovah’s arrangement…

So if you’re undermining the religion, that could be grounds for getting kicked out.

rottennaija:
But Furuli says “Jehovah’s arrangement” is effectively determined by the Governing Body. So they and they alone get to decide if you’re a problem who needs to be eradicated. Instead of pointing to an objective violation of JW rules, the Governing Body can just say you’re sowing discord and that’s that. (Which is certainly a problem when you’re publishing criticism of the Governing Body!)

rottennaija:
He writes in the book:

… The problem, however, is that the definitions of apostasy are selfserving because it is the GB [Governing Body] who defines what “Jehovah’s arrangement” is. And the definition is that the GB serves as a government for JW with unlimited power. Thus, any opposition to the GB is per definition apostasy because it “is undermining the confidence of the brothers in Jehovah’s arrangement.”

rottennaija:
Furuli also says that, because there was no Governing Body in the first century, “the present governing Body has no biblical legacy and should be dissolved.” (No wonder this book is already the source of lots of gleeful discussions on ex-JW forums.)

The OP & Rott WAILER LYING that there is no Acts 2:42 . Acts 6:2-6. Acts15:2-6,22-25,
1 Thess5:12 & Hebrews 13:7,17 in his Bible.
They FALSELY claimed Jehovah's servants had no Governing Body of Apostles & Elders leading them

rottennaija:
I asked Dr. Furuli last night what he hoped for as a result of his book. Besides his own fate, did he think the Governing Body was capable of changing itself? He told me he was not optimistic:

It is difficult for me to answer your questions because I do not know how the Governing Body will react and I cannot guess. According to the Bible, there are only two forms of apostasy, 1) denying that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh (2 John 7-10), and 2) having a corrupted faith and making a sect or a splinter group. (Titus 3:10, 11). I am not guilty of this, but I believe in all the doctrines taught by JW and defend these. To point out errors that have been done by the leaders is not apostasy, according to the Bible. So, if the Governing Body says that I am an apostate, they are making a human commandment that is not based on the Bible.

rottennaija:
That doesn’t mean the book serves no purpose, though. If he can get people to question aspects of the faith, or even plant seeds that might eventually get them to leave for good, that would be remarkable.

tctrills:
Kings says Elijah was taken to heaven, Acts did not say Philip was taken to heaven. What is your point.
Are you saying it was the spirit of Elijah that was taken up to heaven? Is that your point?

KNOWMORE56:
This is the kind of question I like... making people to run helter skelter...

The people who have been trying to give answers have not considered the whole statement in the book of Genesis - created in God's image after His likeness (similitude)....

They used the word and to separate the two description i.e "in His image and in His likeness"

The question is "are human spirits... consider Jesus Christ also who is said to be the express image of the Father?"