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Bishopkingsley:
I have just one question for you do you believe and trust this is the real Bible to read and follow

Complete Jewish Bible

Heartbender:
Stop this heresy. An archangel's voice is not the same as THE archangel's voice. One has a definite article which could mean there are other angels who also bear Micheal but only one is an Archangel or Michael is the only Archangel. An archangel's voice means voice like archangels', and not meaning it is Archangel Michael that became Christ. Shalom

Heartbender:
Christ rebuked the devil with authority. Michael said "the Lord rebuke thee" when contending over the body of Moses with satan. This your interpretation would twist the Bible because same Bible said Christ was not created yet calls him first born of all creation.
Context matters man.

Heartbender:
But Hebrews 1:1-11 already calls Christ God. He said "I and my Father are one", "if you have seen me, you have seen the Father", etc.

Heartbender:
Angels refuse worship but Christ never refused it...he endorsed it. When Thomas saw the piercings in His hands he fell to his feet and declared "my Lord and my God". Christ told him "you have believed because you have seen". Of He was just an Archangel or the archangel Michael, he would not have accepted that declaration.
Stop spreading heresy. Michael is at best a cherubim who took over when Lucifer a fellow cherub planted in the garden of Eden fell from grace but in Christ is the fullness of the Godhead: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Shalom

Bishopkingsley:
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:

23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God.. ) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.


A tree can be in the shape of a cross
Have you not seen trees with cross shape

Matthew 16:24 ►
New International Version
Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.


[s]Jesus said take your cross if you want to follow God which means he took his own cross and followed God

Jesus calls God God
God calls Jesus God[/s]

Bishopkingsley:
What I said here is what JW followers preach is there any point you want to revoke

Ok tell me who saves people Jesus or GB

Bishopkingsley:
There is no place where I said God become or became a spirit

Rather God created a spiritual place for the host of heaven to stay and govern the earth
That spiritual place is called heaven
there are three realms

the everlasting realm
or also called eternal realm then

the spiritual realm and then



the physical realm

GardenOfGod:
https://www.nairaland.com/6711919/jesus-christ-archangel-michael-jehovah#up

sagenaija:
The request with respect to Acts 20:28 was simple:

Can MaxinDHouse, janosky and DappaD tell us where "Son" came from to enter into the picture here.

Instead of the "other people put it too" or "our interpretation makes sense to us" or "Complete Jewish Bible is the Koko" excuse we are seeing, one would have expected a simple, truthful and straightforward answer - 'Yes, here it is .....' or 'It's not there, but .. '.

Even our friend who quickly runs to the lexicon is now referring us to the Jewish Bible. I suppose that we can see that the answer is obvious.

Again, If a group can be so DECEITFUL and disingenuous in not translating portions of Scripture faithfully what else can't they twist to conform to their DOGMA?

Sagenaija IF your claim is true, why did your 'oly ghost not give the same reasoning & revelations to your Trinitarian devotees, Bill Mounce ,Good News Translation & Complete Jewish Bible?
If your claim is true, kindly tell this forum: What is the DOGMA of your Trinitarian devotees @ ACTs 20:28?

Bishopkingsley:
If JW organization that says their GB and group is the one that saves people that it is no longer Jesus that saves people

If JW cult they can say holy spirit is just a force

If JW can say God is not on earth

Then this simple shows they worship devil using Bible as a diversion

Emusan:
This is the most delusional statement.
Firstly, the phrase lit: "through the blood of the own place (one)"
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Emusan:
Is in reference to "...of God, the Lord" mentioned earlier.
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Emusan:
But your demonic translation knows that leaving that verse without insertion of "SON" will make Jesus to be God since the Father wasn't the one who shield blood and the reason why your translation silent on using Jehovah in place of THE LORD in that verse.

Emusan:
So why didn't NWT allow the phrase to stand on it's own rather than adding to it

.We know if that word stands alone, it will expose your lying organization more because it's obvious that "the LORD, OF GOD" is the one reference in that verse as shielding his blood
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Emusan:
At least you know that the Greek manuscript doesn't contain the word "Son" that makes it a fraudulent insertion by who ever put it in their translation

Also, do you listen to other translations' reason why some certain words were inserted into their own translations, or you think only your demonic organization have explanation for inserting anything into the scripture? Hypocrite!



This is the most delusional statement.
Firstly, the phrase lit: "through the blood of the own place (one)"

Is in reference to "...of God, the Lord" mentioned earlier.

Here is the YLT of that verse `Take heed, therefore, to yourselves, and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit made you overseers, to feed the assembly of God that He acquired through His own blood,

But your demonic translation knows that leaving that verse without insertion of "SON" will make Jesus to be God since the Father wasn't the one who shield blood and the reason why your translation silent on using Jehovah in place of THE LORD in that verse.



So why didn't NWT allow the phrase to stand on it's own rather than adding to it

We know if that word stands alone, it will expose your lying organization more because it's obvious that "the LORD, OF GOD" is the one reference in that verse as shielding his blood.



Which then means NWT translation isn't the ONLY ACCURATE TRANSLATIONS out there.

This is getting interesting



These other translations, are they consider by your demonic organization as accurate or they only find this particular part true because it only dance to the tune of them



Meaning not only watchtower understand the Greek text and can interpret it accurately.



Which then means Jesus is God because "His own" is in reference to "The Lord or of God"



Are they the ONLY translator who put FOOTNOTE in their translations? So you respect them just because it's the organization you belong to but see others that did the same as fraudster



At least you agreed that there's fraudulent insertion in your translations just as you can called others for doing the same thing.

Leaving it as "his own" is very accurate that's why reading that verse in translations that don't including the word SON makes more sense because the verse is simply talking about "OF GOD" who shields His own blood.




You still added to it....you this fraudster!


Read the verse slowly again as YLT puts it then you'll know you don't need any insertion.

`Take heed, therefore, to yourselves, and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit made you overseers, to feed the assembly of God that He acquired through His own blood,

It's only a liar and fraudster will see the reason of adding anything to the last part.

Iyasaburi:
But Jesus said :
I and my father are one

To Philip, he said "if you have seen me, you have seen the father

He called the Holy spirit" the spirit of truth that proceed from the Father

#1
In Genesis, God said "come and let us create man in our own image. Who was God talking with?

In genesis 1:2 and 3. I can see the spirit of God moving on the water
I saw God's presence, making it the second personality and the WORD that later took on flesh according to John 1,when God opened His mouth and spoke.
I think it is a fact that you cannot separate the spirit of a person and the word of a person from the person.

They are simply one right from the beginning. But the mystery behind the whole thing is that they are seperate. Not like humans.

I recently realized that we humans have the capacity to use our spirit elsewhere or on people to make them do things

Bishopkingsley:
JOHN 20:28-29

28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!

Bishopkingsley:
Jesus said a cross why do you fight Jesus

Nancy2020:
everything the OP said is in the Watchtower news magazine even some of them many JW members here still talk about them as the foundations of their beliefs. The OP just went more deep into the occultic side which the members here don't always speak about because they actually know it is pure hard to pass across to new members unless they come into the organization. If the OP is correct on his own narrative then JW is truly scary.

Bishopkingsley:
Romans 10:14-15
14 But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him?


The him there is Jesus Christ of Nazareth the one true God Almighty

The only one to believe in
The him to believe in

If you don't believe him

You won't be saved

freshboi88:
John 21:17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.

Is Jesus all knowing just as Jehovah is all knowing?

Janosky:
Which theologian defends the Trinity more than Bible Scholar,Bill Mounce?

@ Acts 20:20, Trinitarian Scholar & devotee, Bill Mounce did exactly the same thing as NWT.
@ Acts 20:28, Mounce Greek interlinear reads " the blood of his son."

What is the"perceived theological leanings of Bill Mounce & your fellow Trinitarian devotees who agreed with NWT ?

Sagenaija, dump your fictitious DOGMA theory into the dustbin.
Bros, Throw that your fictitious claim into the Sewage dump.

sagenaija:
Another Deceit of Jehovah's Witnesses
Since JW believe that Jesus is only an angel and deny his deity they have to twist the portions of scriptures where God is said to have paid for man's sin with his blood.

So, still engaging in their DOGMA-INFLUENCED approach to translation to render Acts 20:28 Instead of following the Greek which will result in it being worded as:
Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.
Acts 20:28 NIV

They render the verse as: "Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son.

Because if they use the Greek construct of "his own blood" it will puncture their position of Jesus as Archangel Michael, they switch that part to: "the blood of his own Son".

The word "Son" is just NOT THERE in the Greek. Putting it there happens when a person or group approach God's word on the basis of their preconceived theological leanings. This is what the Jehovah's Witnesses have done here.

Can MaxinDHouse, janosky and DappaD tell us where "Son" came from to enter into the picture here.

If a group can be so DECEITFUL and disingenuous here what else can't they twist to conform to their DOGMA?

Cc:
Bishopkingsley, freshboi88, Emusan, archorladey, awitness41,

Emusan:
I know you can't help your Ponzi scheme brother here and the thing really put sand for una garri

KNOWMORE56:

"...There is no group or church that can save you if there was then the death of Jesus is in vain..."

He (maxInDHouse) has made his organization an idol.

He has severally wanted to drag others into the same idolatry by asking SHOW ME A BETTER PERFORMING GROUP...

but we know ( we are not assuming, we are not thinking) that THERE IS NO OTHER NAME ON EARTH THAT CAN SAVE THE SINNER, ONLY THE NAME JESUS!

*. Acts 4:12 "KJV: Neither is there salvation in any other : for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

Bishopkingsley:
1 Corinthians 12:13
For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Acts 1:5
For John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Matthew 3:11
“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Luke 3:16
John answered them all, saying, “I baptize you with water, but he who is mightier than I is coming, the strap of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

Acts 4:31
And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.

1 Peter 3:21
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There are over one hundred verse in the scriptures about the baptism of the Holy Spirit which is the body of Christ
We can not break the scriptures because of your sinful heart desires

Search the whole earth there is no one like Jesus from eternity to eternity no name will save you apart from Jesus and God made it in such a way that you can stay in your house and receive Jesus and equally be baptized into this same spirit of God

You must believe what the scriptures says until you surrender to Jesus and give him your will then he will give you himself

You must admit he is your lord God and Savior you must completely ask him to take control of your life to be your only true God Almighty Jesus paid the price to redeem man he paid the ultimate sacrifice

No one can deliver you Jesus is the way the truth and the life once you accept Jesus and your lord God and Savior he will begin to reveal himself to you one on one

You will no longer need any one because the Bible will become alive to you he will show you things to come and he will guide you into all truth

The body of Christ is one flesh we all drank from the holy spirit of God Almighty

Romans 10:14-15
14 But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? 15 And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is why the Scriptures say, “How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news!

This is the good news this is how to belong to God it is a spiritual process which God does by himself to belong to this body of Christ you must it not a suggestion rather a commandment

You must accept Jesus as your lord God Almighty and your Savior

Bishopkingsley:
There has always been God

God always existed

But he called that place he has always been he called it everlasting or eternal realm

Isaiah 43:13
Isaiah 43:13 - I Am The LORD "God" From Everlasting To Everlasting.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth

the heaven there refers to the spiritual realm and the earth there refers to the physical realm

Before the mountains were born
Or You gave birth to the earth and the world,
Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. Psalm 90:2

there are three realms

the everlasting realm
or also called eternal realm then

the spiritual realm and then

the physical realm

God has no beginning he has always been God what was recorded in Bible was the beginning of God's creation not the beginning of God the village of God is called everlasting realm or eternal realm

sagenaija:
Another Deceit of Jehovah's Witnesses
Since JW believe that Jesus is only an angel and deny his deity they have to twist the portions of scriptures where God is said to have paid for man's sin with his blood.

So, still engaging in their DOGMA-INFLUENCED approach to translation to render Acts 20:28 Instead of following the Greek which will result in it being worded as:
Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.
Acts 20:28 NIV

They render the verse as: "Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son.

Because if they use the Greek construct of "his own blood" it will puncture their position of Jesus as Archangel Michael, they switch that part to: "the blood of his own Son".

The word "Son" is just NOT THERE in the Greek. Putting it there happens when a person or group approach God's word on the basis of their preconceived theological leanings. This is what the Jehovah's Witnesses have done here.

Can MaxinDHouse, janosky and DappaD tell us where "Son" came from to enter into the picture here.

If a group can be so DECEITFUL and disingenuous here what else can't they twist to conform to their DOGMA?

Cc:
Bishopkingsley, freshboi88, Emusan, archorladey, awitness41,

Did Jesus, Martha, John and Paul reject your claim @ Acts 20:28?


John 11:26, Jesus the son of God coming into the world"

Galatians 4:4 & Romans 20:28 would Paul contradict himself?

Would Paul converted by Jesus contradict Jesus @ John 3:16 & John 20:17?
Acts 20:28, Complete Jewish Bible is the Koko.
Afterall, they should know better.

freshboi88:
Piece of cake....

#1. Father is greater than he is because he has willingly put away his glory. Did Jesus and Jehovah share the same glory before he became man ? Yes....I will quote your own translation cos I love how u guys render this verse, could never be more clearer.

NWT

John 17:5 So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.+

Now it makes perfect sense why the Father is greater than Jesus. That is because he set aside the glory he has alongside Jehovah to become a servant.

#2 As a trinitarian I expect to find this. So this doesn't prove anything. My earthly can send me on assignments or ask me to cater for certain people does it mean he is greater than me in value or essence or in our humanity? No!.....he is only greater than me in rank and position. Just as u obey your boss in the office. Nothing new!

#3 For number 3, let me use your own wrapped interpretation against u.

Rev 19:12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. [/b]13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and [b]his name is the Word of God

@bolded no1: using your logic, do u agree that Jehovah doesn't know the name written on Jesus?

John 17:24 , the glory Jesus confessed he was given.
The same glory Jesus would share with the disciples.
Everything belongs to his God and Father,
1 Corinthians 3:23

#2
Has God his Father ever obeyed Jesus?

Man pass man, ho Theos Supreme Being pass every other spirit.
Fresh WAILER without SENSE

#3
Revelation 3:12, 1 Corinthians15:27,his God and Father knows.
You already said his Father is greater than Jesus.
Matthew 20:18, What can Jesus hide from his God &Father?
John 5:19 & John 15:15, who is teaching Jesus?

Fresh WAILER without SENSE
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sagenaija:
I see that you ran away from our main issues.
Maybe you are still in 'consultation'.

You know quite well what I mean. You're only trying to evade issues. Attend to what I directly confronted you with.

freshboi88:
..... with that weak response of imitate that even a school boy knows that it doesn't mean the ability to do whatever the original can do........

So since I quashed that

Tell me why can Jesus do all that God can do.....

Meaning

if God can create the world, Jesus too can do so in like manner

#3
If Jehovah is Omniscient, Jesus also is Omniscient

If Jehovah is omnipresent, Jesus too is omnipresent

If Jehovah knows all things Jesus too knows all things


#1
No wonder Jesus here says

John 14: 23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and [b] we will come to them and make our home with them.

Janosky what kind of power will Jesus have that he will like Jehovah be able to dwell at same time with all who obey his teachings ?
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#2
Notice that Jesus uses We and not He. So how can Jesus who is an angel dwell or abide together with Jehovah at the same time in all those who obey him ?

Wouldn't that make him omnipresent ?....I am just asking

Emusan:
You didn't, no wonder you're crying up and down on this thread

Let me rephrase the question, Jesus said "Whatever the Father does, the Son also does" So can you point out where the scripture recorded the Father doing ANYTHING from Genesis to Revelation?

Matthew 19:4-5 & Genesis 5:1-2
John 12:28
Father, glorify Your name!" Then a voice came from heaven: "I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again"

Matthew 3:17
And a voice from heaven said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!"


Mark 1:11
And a voice came from heaven: "You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased."

Sifia pained pagan polytheist

Emusan:
Mr Ponzi scheme promoter well-done

Who is chatting with you

I've told you I'm here to be exposing your lies.

People can see your hypocrisy, your demonic organization recorded more Covid19 casualty than anybody but yet you think that's the best line you can use in your fruitless arguments.

sagenaija:
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You seem to want to know which church people belong to. Is it in order to end up bashing their churches? Like you do to shadeyinka?

Why I brought up the letter 'J' issue:
You guys pride yourselves in being exact. You claim that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one. You post screenshots to attempt to prove your points.
#1
But then how come you missed out on being exact with the name of Jehovah?

We are seeing now that you are unable to explain why your organisation is not exact with this.

#2
You run to Greek lexicon to show us words but end up [b]NOT using the same Greek to translate the right words in your New World Translation. Talk about using DOGMA to reinterpret the Scriptures[/b].

Look at your Trinitarian Greek lexicon Screenshot How come your Trinitarian Bibles removed Greek 3588 ("the" where this precedes Theos (Greek 2316) in all your wishy washy Greek lexicon ?
Did any genuine Greek manuscript remove Greek 3588 ?

freshboi88:
Why did u run away now ? You no wan ansa my question again ?......why can Jesus do all that Jehovah can do ?

He ran away .....

John 5:19Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed.


Why can Jesus do all that Jehovah can do ? You are yet to answer this question

Bishopkingsley:
Maybe you don't know English that some one hang on the tree the tree can be in the shape of the cross

Matthew 16:24–25 (ESV)
24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

Matthew 16:24–25). The cross was an instrument of death. By telling us to take up our cross and follow Him, Jesus says that, in order to be His true followers, we must die to self. If we call ourselves “Christians,” then we must deny ourselves and give up our lives for His sake. This may take the extreme form of being martyred for our faith, but even in the most peaceful political settings, we must be willing to lose the self—crucifying self-righteousness, self-promotion, selfish ambitions—in order to be His followers. Those who are not willing to do so are “not worthy” of Him (Matthew 10:38).

Matthew 10:38 (ESV)
38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.


Only through cross can two nails be used on you on your two hands which Thomas said with his words

John 20:25 (ESV)
25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe.”

Jesus never said take up your stake and follow me

Bishopkingsley:
Because you don't know Bible that is why I will show it to you

I said the holy spirit is the spirit of Jesus so stop mixing things up

The holy spirit is Jesus in spiritual form so note the things I say

Job 33:4

The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.

John 20:22

And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

Psalm 33:6

By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host.

Job 27:3

As long as my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils,

The word of God is God
The word of God is Jesus
The breath of God is God
The breath of God is the spirit of God

When God breaths air does not come out rather God comes out
The spirit of God comes out
When God speaks it not just words rather it is the spirit of God that became flesh that you see

Because you don't know that
everything about God is God

Bible you have is actually God in written form
So when you carry Bible you carry God in written form up and down

The interesting part of this is the Hebrew word for spirit. We almost get a little spooky talking about the Holy Ghost, but the Hebrew word behind spirit is ruach, and it means "air in motion." It is the same word for "breath." It also means "life." By resemblance to breath and air in motion, it means "spirit." That’s where we get the translation, and the Hebrew word contains all those different meanings. If we just leave it with our English word "spirit," we’re not getting the full attributes of what the Bible is trying to describe. It’s trying to describe that there’s a breath involved.

Going back to that first chapter in Genesis, if the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the deep, and then God said, "Let there be light," when you speak, it’s through your breath that the words take form. Just imagine that: God speaking, His breath comes out, and there you have the Word of God, "Let there be light." That is where the Gospel of John says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." They are all separate, but at the same time, they are all one, just as when you breathe and you speak, your words can be one with you.

The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit" (John 3:608, NKJV).

Jesus is talking about the Holy Spirit, and He’s saying it is like wind. When you get into the Greek behind that, the Greek word is pneuma, which again means "a current of air," "breath," or a "breeze, " and again by analogy, "a spirit." So both the Hebrew and the Greek word are talking about breath. It’s talking about wind.

The same thing happens when we are born of the Spirit. When we are re-born, it is from the breath of God. In the Gospel of John, where He is giving to His disciples the Holy Spirit, just as God breathed on Adam and gave him the breath of life, Jesus breathed on His disciples in John chapter 20: "'Peace to you! As the Father sent me, I also send you.' And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said, 'Receive the Holy Spirit'" (John 20:21-22, NKJV).

Do you want more proves