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OLAADEGBU:
What did Jesus mean when He said 'I AM'? Did Jesus declare Himself to be God by saying 'I AM'?

freshboi88:
Sorry to say u dnt have sense o. What concerns this verse u quoted with Christ. Religion has overshadowed ur brain

Maximus69:
You said i should know when someone is lying, shey?

Well i'm suspecting you escaped from Yaba left!

Perfectbeing:
In my first post, I asked the question "who rested?"

freshboi88:
I doubt u read my post hence u called it copy and paste. If u cannot read, how will u understand. No wonder you lack understanding. Now this time, read it again and ask the Holy Spirit to guide u. He would take the scales off Ur eyes just as scales fell from the eyes of Paul formerly known as saul

freshboi88:
This is not a matter of contradiction, it's a matters of synonyms. Let's use the dictionary.

If you look at the attached photo, ull clearly see that source and origin are synonyms of beginning.

Are you going to deny that source and origin are not synonyms of beginning?

In all I have clarified my interpretation of Rev 3:14. Up till now for days you have not been able to clarify the error in your teaching

If everything was created through Jesus,then how was Jesus created.....I am still waiting for your answer

freshboi88:
Oga truth will always triumph over your lies.

Now Learn.....if not for the fact that I am opening your eyes to the truth, you would have paid me for teaching u.

John 3:16 teaches that Jesus is God's "only begotten Son" (King James Version). What does this mean?

The Greek term translated "only begotten" is monogenes, a word used nine times in the New Testament that can mean one of a kind or unique. For example, Luke uses the term three times to refer to an only child (Luke 7:12; 8:42; 9:38).

The writer of Hebrews uses the term to refer to Isaac, the only son of Abraham and Sarah, the son of the promise (Hebrews 11:17). Modern translations generally translate monogenes in John 3:16 as "one and only Son" or "only Son" to reflect this definition.


But does this mean Jesus was somehow born or created by God the Father? It does not. Instead, the emphasis is on Jesus as one in unique relationship with the Father. The Bible often uses Father and Son with God and Jesus to explain their relationship in terms we can better understand as humans, but this does not mean Jesus was created by God the Father.

sonmvayina:
This is my point, you have no capacity or ability for independent thought..you just follow whatever you are told...we are all gods just having a human experience on Earth..we need everyone to be focused on moving humanity forward...I need you,you need me..we can not be dwelling on story book.they can't save us. .they are stories written by men like us to teach us..we are supposed to learn the messages in it..and move on..not worship the characters in it..
Imagine me worshipping super man because I read a comic..what will you call me?
But I understand that there is a hero in all of us...

freshboi88:
Like same equal in essence, form and nature. Different in authority.

To receive, power, and all tht he received
, If he his not divine, he cannot receive those things.....


He to whom any office is duly committed, must have sufficient power and wisdom to discharge that office.

freshboi88:
Keep quoting scripture without understanding. Let me enlighten u small.

Do u employ an individual to an office if he doesn't have the sufficient power and wisdom to discharge the duties of that office?

He to whom any office is duly committed, must have sufficient power and wisdom to discharge that office.

Now to govern all things in heaven and earth belongs only to him who is the Lord and Maker of them, and therefore is known by this title "Lord", both in Scripture and by the heathen

is it not evident that if he did not possess all divine perfections, he could not exercise that authority

Perfectbeing:
Who rested?

freshboi88:
Why is Jesus worshipped in heaven

New Living Translation
Together they will go to war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will defeat them because he is Lord of all lords and King of all kings. And his called and chosen and faithful ones will be with him.”

Why is he called the Lord of lords and the King of kings.

When u realize that he is the Lord of lords and King of kings then all these human analogies would make no sense to u

Why is he called King of kings n Lord of lords

freshboi88:
Show me where in scripture where it says, Thomas said in amazement My Lord and My God!.


Rev 17:14 New Living Translation
Together they will go to war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will defeat them because he is Lord of all lords and King of all kings. And his called and chosen and faithful ones will be with him.”

Was he called Lord of lords and King of kings in amazement too?

freshboi88:
This man sef...I know u r learned

Now c....it is not the same


“To him who sits on the throne [b]and to the Lamb

be praise and honor and glory and power,

for ever and ever!”[/b]

They specifically used to word 'And'. Where they also honour Jehovah too?

Mind u the cases u said was on earth. This one is in heaven.... Jesus is worshipped in the same breadth as the Father.

Perfectbeing:
John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

This texts clearly shows that the Word (Jesus) existed before the creation of things. So he obviously is the creator.
Now even if we go by the JW logic and say the Word was created first and then the Word created all other things there would still be a problem.

Gen 1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness...

The question is who actively created the heaven and the earth. It would be Jesus. Because (according to JW) God made Jesus, the Jesus made all other things. So Gen 1 would simply say;

In the beginning Jesus created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of Jesus moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And Jesus said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And Jesus saw the light, that it was good: and Jesus divided the light from the darkness...

Now in Gen 2:2, someone rested. Let the JW tell us who rested...

2 And on the seventh day ---- ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

hupernikao:
Like i told you, John has a trademark theology and you will see it in all its writings. For example aside Hebrews writer (once), only John repeatedly refer to Jesus as the Word. That is his Theology. Every writer has a way of presenting their theology. You must study writers to know how they write.

The reality is there are things John felt may not be necessary as details. So, cutting them out wont change anything.

Secondly, i only picked this as an example from all listed on the site because i wont be the one to be explaining those stuff to him. Ordinarily ready in context of Chapter, the book and at most the Bible, all what he called contradictions will be cleared. But what i am saying is, he should do research well before writing or misleading else he will be found either dishonest or unintelligent.

And by the way, i am not abusing the blogger, i am only describing his attitude to this discussion.


And as per this that you wrote:

I never knew him will not be referring to him earthly birth or family but referring to HE who will baptize with the holy Ghost.

John 1
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

This is very key in identifying the Messiah. Remember the birth of Jesus as divine was never disclosed by (Mary/Joseph). So, he was known as Jesus, son of Joseph. John the baptist is who God gave the responsibility and ministry to seek and identify the Christ. The reason he came baptizing.

John 1
31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

So, he knew Jesus in the flesh but was referring to his divinity as His baptism revealed him as the son of God, the Christ. That is what John is referring to.

John 1
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

freshboi88:
Like I told u. This theory is not consistent with scripture.

Out of all the Sons of God, which 1 is called "One and Only". This separation of Jesus with the begotten or one and only means something, don't u think?

Like I said Ur theory that Jesus is created because he is the only Son of God is not consistent. Can a created being be accorded worship in the same breathe with the Father in heaven.

I showed you scripture where that happened.

On earth, Thomas called him My Lord and My God.. He didn't rebuke Thomas.

Which created being has been called Lord and God.

Bros u go defend Ur inconsistencies tire o

freshboi88:
You are using human wisdom to analyze heaven things. Your case is not different from Muslim who says God cannot have a son. If he does, who is the mother?.....they ask, does God have a wife.

They use human wisdom, thts wht u r doing.

hupernikao:
Most times, i dont want to conclude you are deliberately lying, i want to assume you havent study well as the reason for your wrong commentary and bible quotation. But dont let me assume that when you speak lies you just speak of your own natural ability.

I made reference to what you quoted. See below

Genesis 49:3 NWT (which is your translation)
Reuben, you are my firstborn.. the beginning of my procreative strength"

Genesis 49:3 KJV and over 26 other translation
3 Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:

Hebrews Translation
ראובן בכרי אתה כחי וראשׁית אוני יתר שׂאת ויתר עז׃

Firstly note:
Four keywords were used:
Might, Strength, Dignity, Power >>> might (koach), strength (owni) dignity (nasa), power (azaz). A direct transliteration of your translation from Hebrew, should show you that what you lifted out from the original to translate as procreative are (might, dignity and power) because the word strength was maintained in your translation.

But in Hebrew OT lexicon, non of koach (might), dignity (nasa), power (azaz) was translated as procreative any where in its entire books. But you used it to push a point that is not scriptural. Is "might" same as "procreative", or "power" as "procreative", or "dignity" as "procreative".

Secondly,
The word translated as strength (owni) was used only once in the entire OT, go and study your word origin well and not use already adjusted translations or books. Even the biblehub.com that you used confirmed what i am saying but you arent patient enough to read it well and check how it was used. Check the right-hand side of the biblehub page you extracted and study well there.

Genesis 49:3 used owni
Psalms 78:51 used ownim
Psalm 105:36 used ownam
Hosea 12:8 used own
Job 40:16 used wə·’ō·nōw

All these never carried same meaning. But you want to convert ownim to owni for convenience.

The word used in Genesis 49:3 only occurred once in the entire bible and it never translate to procreative. It is a convenience translation that will turn owni to ownim.

Emusan:
If not because your brain is paining you, you realized that being the firstborn doesn't really mean the first person given birth to, yet you want Jesus Christ "firstborn" to automatically be FIRSTCREATED....what a delusion!

The question you people don't like to even answer is:

There is a word in Greek for FIRSTCREATED, why didn't apostle Paul use this word instead of confusing us with the word FIRSTBORN?

From all indications, you people know that the word FIRSTBORN has no link with FIRSTCREATED that's why you people have being coming with different theories.

freshboi88:
But then didn't Jesus lose that position by right of appointment

Hope u can see Ur mumuness

Emusan:
Ole.....
The point here is since David is called FIRSTBORN and meaning of FIRSTBORN to you is first created being that means David was FIRST CREATED before Jesus which can't make Jesus the FIRSTCREATED being.

But if you try to shift the meaning of David being firstborn away from FIRSTCREATED then it means you're just a deluded person who didn't know he's right from left and try to force the meaning of firstborn to mean FIRSTCREATED only to Jesus

freshboi88:
Proof of what?

Were u not the one that said just now that God appointed David as his firstborn

How many firstborns does God have now?

freshboi88:
Of course I'll use my God given brain, u have been using Ur Satan given brain to manipulate scripture to suit u.

So if God made david his firstborn and David is part of God creature, how many firstborns does God have?

Barristter07:
Medium through which an assigned task is done.

freshboi88:
Oga why are u dodging my question nah, have I bottled u in a corner

So in other words David was the first king that was born on earth or the first king on earth

So as per kings why did God call him firstborn...was it because he was the first earthly king God created?

freshboi88:
1)
All this explanation makes no meaning, they re ur interpretation. Give us scripture.

I have told you that begining is equal to source or originator. And I can give you scriptures not interpretations to back up why I said so.if u need these scriptures ask for it for your own learning and satisfaction.

2)
On the flip side, John 1:3. John under the guidance of the Holy Spirit said Everything was created through Jesus. And Nothing was created without him.

I ask can u provide the scripture that says "Apart
from Jesus every other thing was created through Jesus". You can use Ur own Jehovah witness bible.....Quote it here pls

freshboi88:
1).
You have proven that u lack ability to understand.

In essence beginning can mean source of life, ruler of God creation and there are other verses that support this.

2).
You need to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Personal saviour

freshboi88:
No are the one who needs to open your heart.

Now Learn, let me school u

The Greek word translated "beginning" here is the word "arche." Arche certainly can mean "beginning" as in "the first in series,"

1 which is how the Jehovah's Witness understands it here. But it can also mean "beginning" in the sense of the "origin" or "source" of a thing,

2 or can carry the sense of "the one with whom a process begins."

3 It even can mean "ruler" or "authority,"

4 from which we get words like "archbishop", "archangel", or "arch enemy." In Greek philosophy, the "arche" was the eternal absolute from which all created things are derived,

5 from which we get words like "archetype". So it is not enough merely to note that Jesus IS the "beginning of the creation of God."

freshboi88:
Jesus doesn't have a beginning because Romans 8:2 and 1 cor 15:45 as well as John 1:4 says Jesus is the source of life. The source cannot have a beginning..........

If Jesus has a beginning, according to you. How was he created. Because John 1:3 says all things God created where created through Jesus and 4) says The Word gave life to all things God created.

Was Jesus part of the things God created through Jesus. Or God created Jesus first before he created every other thing?......pls answer this

freshboi88:
Please show me where Jesus is mentioned.....quote it here.