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Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 10:22pm On Apr 30, 2020
freshboi88:
Romans 11:35. Shows Jesus is God.

36. Affirms that 35 is referring to Jesus cos For from him and through him and for him are all things. This same verse is referenced in John 1::4, col 1:16 which pointed to Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 3 proves nothing... remember 1 God but three persons, same in form, essence and nature.The Father comes first in the hierarchy, then The Son[quote author=freshboi88 post=89041972]Jesus Is Equal with God

18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. (ESV)

The bible says Jesus made himself equal to God by saying he is the Son of God.

Jehovah Witness says no, it means he is created and not God. Do u c their foolishness.

I have unearthed their deceit and lies. My people shine ur eyes o. There are deceivers out there n if u r not grounded in the bible they will twist the Word of God to suit their sinister agenda.
grin grin

Freshboi88 is suffering from SELECTIVE AMNESIA.. He no even fit remember the LIES he done blow for here before.... grin.

Does Freshboi88 really mean that himself is equal to God when Freshboi88 calls God his own Father? grin.
Freshboi88 is making FALSE CLAIM @ John5:18.
Na Him talent.
John 19:7 King James Version (KJV)
"7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God"

In the holy Bible- John10:36.Jn 19:7.Jn 14:28 , Jesus Christ says FRESHBOI88 is a confirmed LIAR.
Christianity EtcRe: Matthew 5:29 , YOUR WHOLE BODY In Hell ? by Janosky: 10:09am On Apr 30, 2020
freshboi88:
How much will the OP pay. Ask those JWit guys how I decimated them and left them nothing but to start attacking Adeboye. @Maximus69 @Janosky @Barister08
Can a Leopard change it's spots?

Freshboi88 displaying his talent , LYING as usual.
grin

Christianity EtcRe: Daddy Freeze Reveals That Pastor Jeremiah Fufeyin Offered Him 5 Million Naira by Janosky: 11:59pm On Apr 29, 2020
truthfulperson:
This guy is mad. I pity him and how ugly he will look when he yells in hell after death.
Is Adam and Eve , both first sinners, yelling in hell after their death ?

Since when did public exposure equates to "madness"?
Do you have any evidence to refute his allegation?
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky:
freshboi88:
Romans 11:35. Shows Jesus is God
36. Affirms that 35 is referring to Jesus
cos For from him and through him and for him are all things. This same verse is referenced in John 1::4, col 1:16 which pointed to Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 3 proves nothing... remember 1 God but three persons, same in form, essence and nature.The Father comes first in the hierarchy,

36. Affirms that 35 is referring to Jesus cos For from him and through him and for him are all things. This same verse is referenced in John 1::4, col 1:16 which pointed to Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 3 proves nothing... remember 1 God but three persons, same in form, essence and nature.The Father comes first in the hierarchy, then The Son and then The Holy Spirit. So u c u have not proven anything with this verse. It doesn't help Ur case

Jesus says My Father doesn't help Ur cause either due to the explanation above.

U on the other hand have failed to explain how all things were created through Jesus. Including Jesus since u say he is created

Did Jesus create Jesus
Freshboi88 FALSELY claimed the 4 Evidences from his own Bible are LIES... grin

*6 Bible based questions Freshboi DODGED and ran away from...

Freshboi88 enjoy your LIES , Your PERPETUAL SELF DECEPTION & SELECTIVE AMNESIA..
Confirmed Enemy of Jesus Christ.
Congratulations.. grin

Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 11:20pm On Apr 29, 2020
joyandfaith:
try to read all verses he mentioned slowly and prayerful without being sentimental. you stand to learn more.
Freshboi88 mind done tell am & he knows his Trinity GIBBERISH have met it's Waterloo here... If he get Liver to PASTE ALL these 4 Evidences from his own Bible. grin.

Anybody who argues against them has confirmed himself to be Enemy of Jesus Christ.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 11:09pm On Apr 29, 2020
freshboi88:
God created Jesus and yet Everything was created through, by and for the same Jesus?......are u okay at all... Think nah.

The bible says everything was created through, by and for Jesus and The bible called Jesus a Life- giving Spirit. Are u denying this?
Selective amnesia leads Freshboi88 to cherry picking..... grin

Romans 11:35-36

35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen."

Ephesians 3:14-15, "Every family in heaven and earth owes their name to the Father"


grin.

Every one in heaven including Jesus Christ are CREATURES of the Father.
Jesus says "My Father and your Father" in heaven (Revelation3:5,11,12) and earth (John 20:17)
If this Bible TRUTH is unacceptable to you, Omo go and write your own Bible.
It's not by force to ACCEPT Jesus words in heaven and earth.

Shalom.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 10:34pm On Apr 29, 2020
freshboi88:
You have not said nything all these verses u have quoted no one has said God created Jesus first. Nah akpu full Ur brain
freshboi88:
No matter how u wan turn am. Abraham had other children.

The bible never stayed that Jesus was created. So applying Abraham logic to God is outright foolishness

Show me the verse where God created Jesus
Evidence No 1
Romans 11:35-36 , you done komot am from your Bible ?

*Evidence No2
Revelation 3:14 and Mark 13:19 you done DELETE THEM FROM YOUR BIBLE?

* Evidence No 3:
Proverbs 8:22 and Genesis 14:19,22.1Cor1:24,30.

*Evidence No 4.
Ephesians 3:14-15. John 20:17. Rev 3:5,12.

FRESHBOI88 MUST HAVE REMOVED ALL THESE VERSES FROM HIS OWN BIBLE grin


If Freshboi88 get liver, I challenge am to PASTE HERE ALL THESE Scriptures, *Evidence 1,2 & 3

grin
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 10:24pm On Apr 29, 2020
freshboi88:
New International Version
col 1:16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

New Living Translation
for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.

English Standard Version
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

Berean Study Bible
For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Berean Literal Bible
because in Him were created all things in the heavens and upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or lordships or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and unto Him.

New American Standard Bible
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.

New King James Version
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

King James Bible
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Christian Standard Bible
For everything was created by him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through him and for him.

Contemporary English Version
Everything was created by him, everything in heaven and on earth, everything seen and unseen, including all forces and powers, and all rulers and authorities. All things were created by God's Son, and everything was made for him.

Good News Translation
For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.

International Standard Version
For by him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether they are kings, lords, rulers, or powers. All things have been created through him and for him.

NET Bible
for all things in heaven and on earth were created by him--all things, whether visible or invisible, whether thrones or dominions, whether principalities or powers--all things were created through him and for him.

New Heart English Bible
For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things have been created by him and for him.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
By him was everything created which is in Heaven and in The Earth: everything that is seen and everything that is unseen, whether Thrones or Dominions or Principalities or Rulers; everything has been created by his hand and in him.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He created all things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. Whether they are kings or lords, rulers or powers- everything has been created through him and for him.

New American Standard 1977
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him.

King James 2000 Bible
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

American King James Version
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

American Standard Version
for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

Douay-Rheims Bible
For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and in him.

Darby Bible Translation
because by him were created all things, the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or principalities, or authorities: all things have been created by him and for him.

English Revised Version
for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

Webster's Bible Translation
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are upon earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Weymouth New Testament
For in Him was created the universe of things in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen, thrones, dominions, princedoms, powers--all were created, and exist through and for Him.

World English Bible
For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him.

Young's Literal Translation
because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created,

Can u show me the translation tht says all other things

I can't seem to find it in all these translations. They all say ALL THINGS
Freshboi88, Did Jesus Christ create his Father?

Mumu Virus is worse than Corona.... grin

* Evidence No 1
Romans 11:35-36 , you done komot am from your Bible ?

*Evidence No2
Revelation 3:14 and Mark 13:19 you done DELETE THEM FROM YOUR BIBLE?

* Evidence No 3:
Proverbs 8:22 and Genesis 14:19,22.1Cor1:24,30
FRESHBOI88 MUST HAVE REMOVED ALL THESE VERSES FROM HIS OWN BIBLE grin grin


FRESHBOI88, Liberate Yourself from Trinity GIBBERISH grin
HealthRe: 700 People Die In Iran After Drinking Alcohol To Cure Coronavirus by Janosky: 9:51pm On Apr 29, 2020
Linadinna:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/04/iran-700-dead-drinking-alcohol-cure-coronavirus-200427163529629.html
A far more deadlier virus killed them.
This virus is quite contagious but easy to cure.
It's called " Mumu Virus."
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 12:38pm On Apr 28, 2020
freshboi88:
Romans 11:36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen

That's the verse, show me where it said The Father created someone through himself. Re u been delusional
grin grin

Freshboi88 initially claimed that Romans11:36 referred to Jesus Christ, Bros na wa ooooo !!
Suddenly your "spiritual wisdom of heavenly things" done CHANGE Jesus Christ to Father grin

You dey read Romans 11:35-36 , yet you come dey argue blindly jumping from pillar to post..
FamilyRe: Male Rape by Janosky: 12:17pm On Apr 28, 2020
Eberechi24:
It was really annoying. These men don't see themselves as victims rather they view themselves as Pussy devours or explores who are privileged to have tasted pussy earlier.
They try their best to frustrate anyone esp. guy who felt he was abused and want to Speak out for justice.

You would see male who was molested at 12 thanking his abuser for exposing to him such lifestyles.

You would see comment like"Aunty Tina, God bless you where you are" after recounting their childhood sex stories. how would you help someone like that?

Sadly, they grow up with that mentality and extend it to the next generation. The following generation in acknowledgment see it as norm.
The truth? The men are the ones downplay this issue. I truly wish they could speak up and challenge their abusers. We need their support to tackle this issue.

To change the narrative, they should lead the movement. Child molestation should be discouraged and frown up on by all.

Ishilove. Pls move this thread to Frontpage.
The boy may grow up with the warped mindset that rape is normal after all with grave consequences for him and the society (repeating the cycle of sexual abuse and warped perception of women /relationships , for instance, baby mama syndrome and gigolo/ sugar mummy lifestyle.).
FamilyRe: Could My Wife Be Cheating On Me? Advice Needed by Janosky: 12:03pm On Apr 28, 2020
Nelso2:
Saw a contact on her phone late last year, saved as aa1 and each time he wassup her it's either he calls her my friend or my love.

Confronted her but she denied, saying it's her customer that is owing her money. Been searching for the contact but couldn't find it again after then.

Recently, I searched on her phone while she was sleeping, went through her wassup again, saw a number saved as 3, had to checked on it, behold the profile picture is the same man. Funny part of it, each time she chat wit him, she deletes the chat at the end of it. Been mad since and about to confront.

The man in question is almost 54 and I am in late 30s.
If it's true your wife is having intimate Convo or suspicious dalliances with a 54 years old man, that's a strong proof that such intimacy is ABSENT in your home/relationship between you and your wife.
Work together to repair your Bond.

Every married woman needs love,attention and the other gbogbotigbo... Assess yourself first if you have fulfilled her needs before you start making accusations for which you have no solid evidence....

To be extra sure, Try this tactic:
Copy the man's contact, switch off her phone when charging it. Use new sim card to Send a love sms to the man's contact and indicate her phone is down, that is why "she" used this her other private line to send sms because she miss him.
The older man's reply would proof if anything illicit is actually going on..
FamilyRe: How Do I Handle A Husband Who Wants To Have Sex Almost Everyday? by Janosky: 11:41am On Apr 28, 2020
Julietsim:
My husband and I have been married for almost 2 years now. He is a very good man . He is not a cheating type. The only thing is he likes sex so much that he always wants to have it everyday. I am tired. This lockdown has even increase the issue.

Please how can one cope? Is there any married lady that has experienced this. How did you handle it?
Madam OP,
"Holy Mary" no dey the other room.. there's no room for sanctimonious mode in the marital couple's Bedmatics....

Great communication is the lifeblood of every stable marriage, have you ever discuss this matter with your spouse? For example, extensive pre-intimacy and naughty/love SMS to get you in the mood long before the real action begins..
This period of lockdown is a great time for you and your spouse to find workable solution to this issue.

Could it be your spouse is getting high on illicit substances with aphrodisiac properties?

You have to discreetly find out and seek ways to wean him off those harmful substances, else in a few years time, "3rd leg" no go fit stand gidigba (diminishing returns).

You have to assess your feelings as to why you don't feel OK about hubby's sexual needs..
Perhaps, you need to adjust your (maybe sex is dirty) mindset & begin to enjoy yourself.
A married couple has no excuse to deprive each other of sex,except by mutual consent..

If the bad situation persists, please consult a sex therapist or Clinical Psychologist...
Also , pray for your home to weather every storm.
Christianity EtcRe: The 12 Tricks Of The Anti-christ To Steal Souls by Janosky: 10:56pm On Apr 27, 2020
martooski:
THE 12 TRICKS OF THE ANTI-CHRIST TO STEAL SOULS

According to the Ven. Archbishop Fulton Sheen

In an amazing radio broadcast on January 26, 1947, he explained what he thought the 12 tricks of the Anti-Christ will be. The “Anti-Christ” is a figure talked about in the New Testament that will lead many people away from God.

First, Archbishop Sheen dispels myths about what the Anti-Christ will look like. “The Anti-Christ will not be so called, otherwise he would have no followers. He will wear no red tights, nor vomit sulphur, nor carry a spear nor wave an arrowed tail as Mephistopheles in Faust.”

“Rather,” Archbishop Sheen explains, “is he described as an angel fallen from heaven, as ‘the Prince of this world,’ whose business it is to tell us that there is no other world. His logic is simple: if there is no heaven there is no hell; if there is no hell, then there is no sin; if there is no sin, then there is no judge, and if there is no judgment then evil is good and good is evil.”

Here are the 12 tricks according to Archbishop Sheen:

1) He will come disguised as the Great Humanitarian; he will talk peace, prosperity, and plenty, not as means to lead us to God, but as ends in themselves.

2) He will write books on the new idea of God to suit the way people live.

3) He will induce faith in astrology so as to make not the will but the stars responsible for our sins.

4) He will explain guilt away psychologically as repressed sex, make men shrink in shame if their fellowmen say they are not broadminded and liberal.

5) He will identify tolerance with indifference to right and wrong.

6) He will foster more divorces under the disguise that another partner is “vital.”

7) He will increase love for love and decrease love for persons.

cool He will invoke religion to destroy religion.

9) He will even speak of Christ and say that he was the greatest man who ever lived.

10) His mission, he will say, will be to liberate men from the servitudes of superstition and Fascism, which he will never define.

11) In the midst of all his seeming love for humanity and his glib talk of freedom and equality, he will have one great secret which he will tell to no one; he will not believe in God. And because his religion will be brotherhood without the fatherhood of God, he will deceive even the elect.

12) He will set up a counter-Church, which will be the ape of the Church because, he the devil, is the ape of God. It will be the mystical body of the anti-Christ that will in all externals resemble the Church as the mystical body of Christ. In desperate need for God, he will induce modern man, in his loneliness and frustration, to hunger more and more for membership in his community that will give man enlargement of purpose, without any need of personal amendment and without the admission of personal guilt. These are days in which the devil has been given a particularly long rope.
Which human can you compare to the Son of Man sent to the Earth by his Father?
John 5:37,38.

Hypocrite wey no know Jesus Christ.
Which disciples of Jesus use cross to worship the only true God , Jehovah ?



Your hypocrisy is very obnoxious....
Christianity EtcRe: EXPOSED: RCCG Pastor Caught Naked In Attempt To Sleep With Married Woman(video) by Janosky: 10:35pm On Apr 27, 2020
toyinbeau:
It happened in my estate in akure... parliament estate.....The name of the woman is Mrs Iyantan ....the woman is known to behave irrationally in the neighborhood . This pastor and her husband Mr Iyantan used to be best of friends...until land separated them.... The whole issue is a SET UP. It was planned. But before we know it...Iyantan had sent this video online.....They are my neighbors. The pastor was invited into the house by the wife. She claimed things were not going well with there family so he should come and pray for them.... The wife was to follow the pastor but was cooking and claimed she wld go with him some other time.... Thats how the pastor entered and this woman started screaming rape... The husband and three other men hidden in the house drag the man after beating him and made him nude
If your narrative is actually accurate, then The so called Pastor gave his accusers the ammunition to set him up and he fell into their clutch....

Why did he go ALONE to visit another man's wife in her matrimonial home without some one accompanying him ?
He got what he never bargained for...
Big lessons for everyone whose conscience is still allergic to sin.

Jesus paired his disciples in twos to preach from house to house, very wise step from the Son of God.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 3:37pm On Apr 27, 2020
Perfectbeing:
The question isn't who conceived the idea or who takes the glory... The question is what does the statement mean?
Perfectbeing is speaking and telling himself (the Word,Janosky) "Let us make......"

Oga Perfectbeing means that Perfectbeing (God) and Janosky (the Word) are the same...

Oga Perfectbeing dey deceive himself in a desperate bid to defend the Trinity GIBBERISH.
Triune pagan deity devotees dey deceive themselves since the Council of Nicaea..

Perfectbeing screenshots dey here , make everybody see am.... grin

Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 3:29pm On Apr 27, 2020
freshboi88:
Why are u running away from Ur failed prophesies.
Freshboi88 face saving desperado... grin

Did you Freshboi88 not read in your own Bible that Jesus Christ disciples made false predictions?


Jesus Christ disciples ran away from their false predictions..... grin.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 10:59am On Apr 27, 2020
Maximus69:
Can you share the link where you got this and the printed publication of JWs where this is written with everyone on Nairaland? smiley

Please calm down to think about what is called rumour and lying! cheesy
Freshboi88 Trinity GIBBERISH have crumbled yakata beyond repair , in other to save face and divert attention ,Freshboi88 done jakpa go other issues wey no dey this thread. grin
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 10:49am On Apr 27, 2020
freshboi88:
Gibberish!!!!!........In the 1960's the Watchtower Society began to predict that the Battle of Armageddon would occur in 1975. The 1975 prediction was a total failure. Since then, the organization has shied away from setting a specific date for the end of the present world.

Deal with these false prophesies
Freshboi88 dishonest and dodgy GIBBERISH !
Na Freshboi88 way be that...
Wetin concern this your GIBBERISH with the topic of this thread?
Freshboi88 want to use him wayo style change the topic of this thread, because he can NEVER tell us why him "God dwelling among men" says "my Father sent me" , Jesus rebuke of Freshboi88 GIBBERISH..

Freshboi88 GIBBERISH of him "God dwelling among men" , whereas him "God" reject am..

John 5:37
Jesus said :"The Father who sent me.... You have neither heard his voice nor seen his form"

Jesus Christ himself doesn't agree with Freshboi88 GIBBERISH. grin


Freshboi88 jump to Col 2:9 whereas Col 1:19 done pour sand for Freshboi88 GIBBERISH,
the dodgy guy wan jump to another topic wey no dey this thread, Wayo man grin
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 10:20am On Apr 27, 2020
freshboi88:
1

I am not the one that said it. It's the bible....

New American Standard Bible
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form .

Lair...show me where in this verse it says Christ is under the influence of the fullness of God?...what is bodily form doing in the verse. Or has religion blinded you so much you cannot comprehend simple English again.

2)
John 1 :1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.


Ur lie has been exposed again @ bolded. God dwelling among men because the Word was God.

John 5:37, u quoted the part that suit Ur lies and left the rest, thinking I will not find out... not smart enough. I will school you today.

[b]37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent.

First thing first, it is paramount to note that this verse was not for everyone, it was targeted at a particular set of people. The Jewish Leaders who sought to kill Jesus.

38 explains why they heard his voice or seen his form, it says because they do not believe in him (Jesus).
[/b]

I'll use another verse to drive home my point. Like I said Ur interpretation must be consistent across scripture.


English Standard Version
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

Now the explanation or divine interpretation not that mechanic workshop gibberish u r insinuating

Jesus does not here deny that God had "appeared" in this manner, but he says they had not seen - that is, had not "paid attention to," or "regarded," the appearance of God. He had manifested himself, but they disregarded it, and, in particular, they had disregarded his manifestations in attestation of the Messiah.

The word "hear," in this place, is to be understood in the sense of "obey" or listen to. So he was telling them that they have failed to listen to the command of God.

Commonsensically speaking, to know tht ur interpretation is trash. Ask your sef, has no one ever heard the voice of God?... Moses did, Samuel did. So wht r u talking bout
Freshboi88 typing FRESH GIBBERISH.... Wetin concern Moses & Samuel with John 5:37,38?
Dodgy Freshboi88 LIAR..... at John 5:37,38 Jesus spoke to the wicked Jews who did not believe his message.
"YOU" refers to the wicked Jews, Freshboi88 , STOP LYING !

1)
Freshboi88 please RECEIVE SENSE ,
Colossians 2:9 = Colossians 1:19

Colossians 1:19
" For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in the Son"


God is pleased to have His divine quality,divine nature and perfection dwell in His son".

2)
Freshboi88 dodgy GIBBERISH!
Your "God dwelling among men," says his Father sent him... Mumu Freshboi88.. grin
John 5:37
Jesus said :"The Father who sent me.... You have neither heard his voice nor seen his form"

@John5:37,38 Jesus says Freshboi88 twisted claim on John 1:14 is FRESH GIBBERISH grin
Freshboi88 dey Mumu himself whereas, the Almighty God Jehovah can NEVER be sent anywhere by anyone ! NEVER !!!!!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 8:30pm On Apr 26, 2020
freshboi88:
First thing first, in d case of a possessed human, that demon is not existing in bodily form. The demon has only taken control of tht person. Try another anology.

“The spirit which confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh . . . is the spirit of antichrist” (1John 4:3).

Are u the antichrist?....if u r not, den u r making urself 1

Col 2:9 For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily......read it again n juxtapose it with ur moi moi and akara demon possession analogy

The “fulness of the Godhead” is the essential nature, comprising all the attributes, of Godhead. The indwelling of such Deity in the humanity of Christ is the ground of all His exaltation as the “Head,” “the beginning,” the “firstborn from the dead,” and the triumphant King, on which St. Paul had already dwelt. By it alone can He be the true Mediator between God and man.

So how do u feel now, defeated right. Who has the idiotic analogy....no cry o. I know say e dey pain u mke dem dey scatter Ur believe....sorry ehn

If I were u, I'll goan collect all the monies I have given to awake
The person is not a demon but under the influence of the demon.

Likewise, Jesus Christ is not the Father but under the influence of God ,Colossians1:19, his Father is pleased to have his divine perfection and nature dwell in His Son,Jesus.

God doesn't exist in human form at any time,
Freshboi88, please don't deceive yourself.


Colossians 1:19
" For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in the Son"

John 5:37, Your own Bible Jesus Christ says God NEVER exist in human form at any time , you dey hear word?

God gave His Son divine quality,divine nature and perfection.

John 12:50 "I speak what the Father has told me to say"

Colossians 1:19 calls Freshboi88 a Liar.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 4:44pm On Apr 26, 2020
sonmvayina:
To the Earth..it is same story every where,I wonder why Christians interpret it differently..
God provided the spirit, the Earth provided the dust for the body..
Oturugbeke !
God said to the Earth: Let us make man in our image"
Bros, Your Earth Na spirit ?

Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 4:37pm On Apr 26, 2020
freshboi88:
First of all, Jesus is both Man and God. So the fact that he is given authority and power doesn't mean anything. Let me school u again scripturally.

For Christ to become man, what did he do. Let's see what scripture tells us

Philippians 2:7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Emptied himself of all power, glory and authority to become man.

As man he had become lower than the Angels

New Living Translation
Heb 2:9 What we do see is Jesus, who for a little while was given a position “a little lower than the angels”; and because he suffered death for us, he is now “crowned with glory and honor.” Yes, by God’s grace, Jesus tasted death for everyone.

To answer your question in regard to the above points

It is the exaltation of our Lord’s human nature that is here chiefly intended, in union, however, with the divine.
The authority and power intended is that which Christ exercises as Son of man and Mediator; but it is evident, if he did not possess all divine perfections, he could not exercise it.

To show his divine perfection and see that he is God look at col 2:9. Let's see what Paul says

Col 2: 9 Berean Study Bible
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form.

This verse puts an end to this debate. Do u understand the meaning of Deity. It says all the fullness of deity existing in human body.
If "fullness of deity" dwells in Jesus means he is deity , therefore if fullness of demon dwells in Freshboi88, means Freshboi88 himself is the demon.
Freshboi88 idiotic analogy grin

John 3:16-17 dey look you as enemy of Jesus.


Freshboi88 running from pillar to post,your dishonesty is coming to the fore as usual...
You have no place to hide from the truth..

Romans8:3
"For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh"

Freshboi88, confirmed Enemy of Jesus Christ. Revelation 3:5,11-12
Christianity EtcRe: Are We Supposed To Be Doing Church Or Practicing Ecclesia? by Janosky: 3:56pm On Apr 26, 2020
Hiswordxray:
Happy Sunday, and happy Easter
BlueAngel444:
Amazing, glory to God. I'm also interested in the Ecclessia, better still I'm a part of it
Triune pagan deity devotees and non devotees are members of the Ecclessia .....


Why would Jesus Christ and Apostle Peter be teaching Contradicting doctrines and practices in the Ecclessia ? Matthew 16:13-17


Make una dey deceive yourselves with disjointed beliefs and false reasoning....

Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 1:42pm On Apr 25, 2020
Perfectbeing:
Now imagine I have a piece of clay and I say "hey Janosky, let us make a human like figure out of this clay" what would I mean by that?
Oga Perfectbeing, desperately clutching at straws..... OK nau... Let's go there....

Questions for you:
Who conceived the idea " let us make human figure......"?
How many persons conceived the idea ?
Who takes the glory for the idea ,..."Let us make.."
Who worked to achieve the idea ?
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 1:14pm On Apr 25, 2020
Perfectbeing:
For some reason Janosky has decided not to reply this.
I didn't see this post until now....

Janosky:
Revelation 3:5,11-12,14.
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Mark 13:19 King James Bible
For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be

Both bolded expressions in Mark 13:19 & Rev3:14 have the same meaning and saying the same thing.

The BEGINNING doesn't mean "SOURCE or Originator.
Evidence 1.
The same expression (BOLDED) in Revelation 3:14 and Mark 13:19.

Evidence 2.
Romans 11:36, Bros, who is the Source of Life ?

The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 1:3.

Evidence 3..
Ephesians 3:14-15, to whom does everyone in heaven and Earth owe their name?
Is Jesus among "everyone in heaven "?
Yes... YEs.... YES !!!!!!!



Christian wey no know wetin dey him Bible grin
JWs dey give am free tutorials,yet he no want to purge him Daddy G.O JUNK komot from him brain and body grin
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 12:53pm On Apr 25, 2020
freshboi88:
I know wht u upto, u just want to revenge....hit my church!!!.... because I have finished urs. Adeboye is a man just like u. He is not infallible. The people who claim infallibility like the Jwits are hypocrites and the fake one. By their fruit we shall know them
LIAR !
JWs have NEVER claimed to be infallible...
Freshboi88 ,Where you go copy that your LIE...
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 12:00pm On Apr 25, 2020
Perfectbeing:
I see you're trying to be cunny..

When you say you did something and add "by myself" to it. What does that mean... And if it doesn't mean you actually did the thing personally by yourself please give an example of something you did BY YOURSELF through someone else..
Please answer this question:
Hebrews 1:1-2, e dey your Bible?

Because Oga Perfectbeing wants to believe that the Word and the Father are the same even though Jesus Christ says they are NOT.
John 17:3,24. John 5:37. John 3:16-17, confirmed in Hebrews 1:1-2.

Oga Perfectbeing, you REFUSED to believe God's truth in your own Bible.

Genesis 1:1,27,31 says Jehovah saw that what HE created was good.
Isaiah 44:24 Jehovah made it by Himself.
Isaiah 44:23 Jehovah is glorifying Himself.
Do you believe it ?
Hebrews 1:1-2, Jehovah God created the Universe THROUGH His Son" naso your Bible talk am..
Oga Perfectbeing, Where is the cunning there ?

In the old testament,Jehovah says HE will not share His glory , Isaiah 42:8
"I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images."

In the new testament (John 17:24) , Jehovah permitted His son to receive glory, where is the cunning there?
Is Jehovah lying? Is Jesus Christ cunning?
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 10:24am On Apr 25, 2020
Perfectbeing:
1)

When I say I built something by myself what does that statement means?

2)
And you quoted Gen 1:27 while cleverly skipping verse 26 (...let Us make man in our own image...)
Explain..

And no the word didn't create the father.
The word and the father are the same
1)
When I say I built something by myself what does that statement means?
Jehovah made this statement in the content and context of Isaiah 44:9-24, to show the huge disparity between Himself and the idol gods of Israel.
Isaiah 44:23 Jehovah is glorifying Himself.
Genesis 1:1,27,31. Jehovah is glorifying Himself.
Full stop.
In Genesis,Jehovah God is "I",His, He , not 3.

2).
The word and the Father are not the same.
Why ?
John 17:24... FACT.

Also, John 1:1-2 English" The Word was with God".
John 1:1-2 Greek "the Word was facing towards the God.
That is,Two different Beings..
Hebrews 1:1-2 is still sacrosanct.


Genesis 1:26 was a conversation , Jehovah spoke to others (Job38:4-7 sons of God (Angels) existed before man. Jesus , angels and man exists in God's image,Why ? They were CREATED.).
Does God exists in anyone's image ?
Not at all !

Proverbs 8:22 Jehovah CREATED Wisdom (the Word Jesus Christ ,1Cor1:24,30) to work with Jehovah' during the Creation. (Progressive information and revelations in the holy Scriptures).

In Genesis 1:26, After the speech , in verse 27, "God created man in his image."
God is "I", He, His etc, singular "God is a Spirit" ,so says Jesus(John 4:24), NOT Spirits.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 9:18am On Apr 25, 2020
Perfectbeing:
When I say I built something by myself what does that statement means?
You are taking the glory for the work done.
Coach Westerhoof won the Afcon Nations Cup in 1994, Oga Perfectbeing, Na Westerhoof score the winning goals?

Hebrews 1:1-2.
Jehovah is saying that the idols of Israel(Isaiah 44:9-20) NEVER CREATED anything !
Jehovah did !(Isaiah 44:23). Glorifying Himself.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky:
Perfectbeing:
Least I forget. Your analogy holds no water.
Isaiah, 44:24, "Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, 'I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by Myself, and spreading out the earth all alone.'"

Infact NWT puts it beautifully...

This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the Former of you from the belly: 'I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?

I love the last part "who was with Me?"

Here it clearly states that the Lord (Jehovah) made all things by Himself with no one else present. Neither through a representative. so how is it possible for the LORD ( Jehovah) to stretch out the heavens by Himself, all alone and yet Jesus "the first created thing" be the one who did it? They can't both be true even for you Jehovah's Witness.
Your claim not true,not valid.
Oga Perfectbeing, please read and study your Bible with understanding...

2 Questions to you:

Hebrews 1:1-2, God created the universe THROUGH His Son, is it not there in your Bible?

* Did the Word/Son create his Father?

Oga Perfectbeing bought a house THROUGH his Lawyer, is that not clear to you?
The house belongs to you but the Lawyer is your Agent working for you and with you.

What is the content of Isaiah 44:1-24 ?


44 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant, and Israel, who I have chosen: 2 Thus saith Jehovah that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, who will help thee: Fear not, O Jacob my servant; and thou, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen. 3 For I will pour water upon [a]him that is thirsty, and streams upon the dry ground; I will pour my Spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring: 4 and they shall spring up among the grass, as willows by the watercourses. 5 One shall say, I am Jehovah’s; and another shall [b]call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall [c]subscribe with his hand unto Jehovah, and [d]surname himself by the name of Israel.

6 Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God. 7 [e]And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I established the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and that shall come to pass, let them [f]declare. 8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have I not declared unto thee of old, and showed it? and ye are my witnesses. Is there a God besides me? yea, there is no Rock; I know not any.

9 They that fashion a graven image are all of them [g]vanity; and the things that they delight in shall not profit; and their own witnesses see not, nor know: that they may be put to shame. 10 Who hath fashioned a god, or molten an image that is profitable for nothing? 11 Behold, [h]all his fellows shall be put to shame; and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; they shall fear, they shall be put to shame together.

12 The smith [i]maketh an axe, and worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with his strong arm: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth; he drinketh no water, and is faint. 13 The carpenter stretcheth out a line; he marketh it out with [j]a pencil; he shapeth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compasses, and shapeth it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man, to dwell in a house. 14 He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the holm-tree and the oak, and strengtheneth for himself one among the trees of the forest: he planteth [k]a fir-tree, and the rain doth nourish it. 15 Then shall it be for a man to burn; and he taketh thereof, and warmeth himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread: yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto. 16 He burneth [l]part thereof in the fire; with [m]part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied; yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire. 17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image; he falleth down unto it and worshippeth, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

18 They know not, neither do they consider: for he hath [n]shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand. 19 And none calleth to mind, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree? 20 He feedeth on ashes; a deceived heart hath turned him aside; and he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?

21 Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me. 22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee. 23 Sing, O ye heavens, for Jehovah hath done it; shout, ye lower parts of the earth; break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for Jehovah hath redeemed Jacob, and will glorify himself in Israel.

24 Thus saith Jehovah, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb: I am Jehovah, that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth [o](who is with me?);"

Vs 1- 7, Jehovah says He is the God of Israel, His servant.

Vs 8, Jehovah asks:" Is there a God besides me (in other words,does any true God exists apart from me"? I know not any.

V9-20 Jehovah express disgust against Israel for their practice of idolatry.

V24 Jehovah is saying He is not comparable to Israel's idols. where were the idols, gods of Israel when he created the world?

Read your Bible with understanding,abeg.
Isaiah 44:23" Jehovah is glorifying Himself in Israel"
Vs 24, No comparison between Jah & idols of Israel.

Throughout Isaiah 44, Jehovah ALWAYS use the pronoun "I".
Oga Perfectbeing, The Genesis 1:27 "Jehovah ,He created man in his image.
"He/I" is how many persons?
Genesis 1:26 Trinitarians claim is HOGWASH !

Jehovah must take the glory. Even Jesus always give glory to Jehovah.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 11:12pm On Apr 24, 2020
Perfectbeing:
But that is already contradicting John 1:2 which says "all things were made by him (the word) and without him was not anything made that was made.
This verse clearly shows that the Word was the God of Genesis 1. It was the Word that said "let there be light" It was the word the created man... angels and the whole universe It was the word that rested..
NO !
John 1:2, "the Word was with God" , two persons.
Recall my first response to you about
The Construction Project Owner and his Son.
John 1:3 says "the World (universe) was made THROUGH the Word.
Hebrews 1:1-2 says the Word is God's Spokesman,His Son. His Father made the universe THROUGH His Son".

Janosky:
Revelation 3:5,11-12,14. KJV
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Mark 13:19 King James Bible
For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be

Both bolded expressions in Mark 13:19 & Rev3:14 have the same meaning and saying the same thing. God created Jesus Christ "the BEGINNING of the creation of God" (which God made)".

The BEGINNING doesn't mean "SOURCE or Originator.
The same expression in Mark 13:19 and Rev 3:14
is incontrovertible evidence that Jesus is God's creature, in fact his own Father's creation.

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