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Shelumiel:
A lying JW will always twist the word of God like a maggot smothered in salt when he sees he has no case. . But me start asking my point breaking it down :
You've quoted a lot verses on oneness ( ) but the situational context were never defined why? Because you're a lying frog. But I'll educate you here : You Witnesses tell us that Jesus cannot be God because, after all, the Father is God, and there is only one God. But if you JWs would look a little more deeply into God's Word you would find that the idea of "one" as applied to Deity includes more than just the finite mathematical idea of "one and only one." It also includes the idea of unity. In other words, the biblical idea of one Deity is more than just a numerical oneness, but also a unified oneness. Therefore, the phrase "one God" does not prevent a plurality of persons in the one unified Deity.
To prove the above point from the Scriptures, notice that the Hebrew word for "one" (achad) used to describe God is also used to describe the unity of Adam and Eve (Gen. 2:24), the unity of the Tabernacle curtain (Exod. 26:6,11), and the unity of Israel (Ezek. 37:17).
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Similarly, the Greek word for "one" (heis) in the New Testament often refers to unity and uniqueness. Paul the planter and Apollos the waterer are "one" (1 Cor. 3:, the multitude of the believers is "of one heart and of one soul" (Acts 4:32), Jesus prayed that we may be "one" even as he and the Father are "one" (Jn. 17:22).
There is only one Deity, but is that one Deity one person? Where does the Bible say so? No, instead the Bible says in John 1:1 that "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Notice that the Word was "with God, " present with and united together in one mind and purpose with Deity - and was himself Deity. There is only one God, but where does the Bible say that our one God is only one person?
We don't have any trouble understanding that we are "humanity." No one would insist that because there is only one humanity (Acts 17:26) there is only one person who can rightly be called human! No one would insist that all humans are not inherently equal in essence and nature! Let me suggest that in this sense there is one Deity. And there are three persons who are equally Divine. Why should that be so difficult for us to accept?
These three persons are infinitely and intimately united together in one mind and purpose! They are the "Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" into whose name (singular) we are baptized (Matt. 28:19). They are the "us" of Genesis 1:26 that said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." They are the three that worked together to reveal God's Word as the Father spoke through the Son (Jn. 8:26-28; Heb. 1:1-2) and the Son spoke through the Holy Spirit (Jn. 16:13; 1 Cor. 2:10-16).
The JWs false doctrine on the Deity of Jesus Christ stems from their determination to impose on the Scriptures a false assumption that limits the meaning of the "oneness" of Deity to a numerical oneness of persons. The Bible teaches that there is one and only one Deity, but that three persons are intimately united in the one Deity, and all three are equally Divine. You JWs unwillingness to accept this plain truth leads you folks to blasphemy. We must accept what the Bible says about God's oneness and Jesus' Deity without forcing our own ideas on scripture.

thankgod460:
You still don't get my point.

It will looks somehow to the people of the world if the apostles portrait Jesus as God, as you too was wandering and arguing . Because many people of the world then believed Joseph was his biological father. That is why they were trying to preach and present him as son of God, even during his baptism, God presented him to be his beloved son. That is because it was a Voice from heaven, so people will see it as mystery and believe.
When Jesus was asking his disciples who people are calling him, Apostle Peter was able to recognized him as the Christ via the help of holy spirit. Jesus instructed them that they should not tell anyone that he was Jesus the Christ. (Matt. 16:18). Can you tell me why?
Jesus presented himself has the son of man during his earthly ministry. Can you tell me why?

Shelumiel:
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Oga, you're on cheap narcotics . When I gave textual proof of everything you shameless came out and said it was a forgery thereby bringing out the JW in your lying-ass.. .but its okay. JWs are pretty stupid, especially since they reject everything the bible says. So here is the truth. Read it and weep .

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Jesus says, "I and the Father are one" John 10:30.

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Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." Jesus answered, Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" John 14:8, 9.

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Why do Christians(except JWs .) claim that Jesus is God come in the flesh? Christians did not invent this idea, Jesus Himself is the one who makes this claim, over and over. Christians accept His Word. Those who disagree, disagree with Jesus and what He says.

thankgod460:
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Sir, I once texted you that English words shows their meanings base on context. You cannot just read and be translating it has you desire.
Did you know one thing, If Jesus had present himself to his people has God, no one will follow him, even the apostles. The word son of God was revealed to Peter by the spirit of God. It was after his death that is more clearer to the apostles John that Jesus is beyond mere son of God via the revelation from Holy Spirit .


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Even we have in some verses where Jesus present himself as the son of man (Matt 9:6), is God man? . Some people don't believe him to be messiah or Christ and he want people to believe him, that is why he present himself to the level by which people can believe him and followed him. In revelation that you are referring to is still the same things. He need to present himself to the level by which people will not be stumble by his word and his presentation.

When Lazarus died, bible says Jesus wept, why? this is just to show that he also sympathize with them so that they will not be looking at him as if he intentionally wait for Lazarus to be stinky before he will appear so as to showcase his authority or using him to perform miracle. Your level of relationship and interaction with others will be based on the caliber of people you are dealing with, isn't it? Same things is applicable
Thanks

thankgod460:
Another things sir, Matt. 28:18b says all power is given to me in heaven and in earth.
If all power in Nigeria has given to Osinbajo, then what is Buhari during on seat again.
Jesus said in John 14:20 that in that day yesterday shall know that I am in my father and my father is in me. (Mystery).
Question sir, is it possible for you to be in your father and your father will be in you, how?

Shelumiel:
You're a super olodo... Lol. The Jews said Jesus was God which was why they wanted to stone Him because they felt it was blasphemy (John 10:33). So what the f**k are you saying...? I never knew JWs keep twisting things all in the name of denying the divinity of Jesus. Shame on Charles Russell Tuze and his band of gay perverts

thankgod460:
I will like if you can complete the sentence in John 1:18b "which is in the bosom of the father " Did you know what is meant to be "in the bosom" I.e to be inside of one heart. Meaning that it can never be separated because they are one. Is not possible to separate yourself from your heart where your thoughts usually come from
From the same John 1:18c says he hath declare him (IE made him known) " . Let me explain this - Jesus as the word serve as power through which God created all things (John 1: 3). how can you separate the power you are using for your daily job from you? It Is impossibly.

Shelumiel:
Oga pack. You choose to listen to trash online and you come here feeling you're smart... Oga pack well with you JW occultic lifestyle.

hupernikao:
Scripture and verse Sir? if you mean that relates to creating Jesus.

Shelumiel:
Oga pack wella...and while you're packing get out of that secret cult of Charles Russell Tuze. Monkey liar

thankgod460:
Please are you from Greek?
Even the English we speak at times give different interpretations or meaning depending on the context. Because you read words in Latin or Greek doesn't mean you have the best interpretations. I have people that are from Lebanon that explains bible in divers way because they made it clear to me that Arabic words have divers of meaning. Similarly if you ask people from Greek they also will give you divers meaning.
Thanks

hupernikao:
@Janosky

This isn't consistent with that same Chapter or with the bible explanation itself. I have had this discussion here with your colleague before.

You can check my explanation on this earlier to understand my position. This has been discussed on NL extensively before.

https://www.nairaland.com/5357685/jesus-not-god-reno-omokri#81224838

Also this: https://www.nairaland.com/5357685/jesus-not-god-reno-omokri#81245174

You may need to also follow the line of thoughts in that thread to understand my discussion with one of your companion which i assumed you are partially part of.

Edyice:
Yes
JESUS is LORD

JESUS is God

Jesus disciples asked him how can we see the FATHER
Jesus said those who has seem me has seen my FATHER.... John 14 : 9

Edyice:
I like this dude

Hope you have come across a popular verse in the Bible know to be 3 in 1 God

GOD THE FATHER
GOD THE SON
GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT ( I am still doing more studying about this sha)

mosesbola:
I was having a conversation with a friend and she said it is forbidden to have sex with your husband (Legally married husband oo) on Good Friday..

What's your say guys

Biblical reference will be much appreciated ��

Shelumiel:
Oga, don't get it twisted o. I'm not calling you my brother because I'm a Christian (because JWs don't believe in being called Christians so you're suppose to hold on that dogmatic belief of theirs so that exempt you from being called brother . ). Secondly, you're not a Muslim. For even Muslims indirectly know(although they'll never admit) that Jesus is God. And as for dissecting the word of God, puhahahha... You've failed woeful

thankgod460:
Well, it is very important for us to examine the fact through the direction of holy Spirit and avoid all this argument.

Nevertheless, John 1:14 make it clear to us that "the word was made flesh and dwelt among us".
From verse 1, it was clear that "the word was with God and the word was God". This shows two entity that became one. Now how did you want to separate it? The understanding can only be review to individual by Holy Spirit of God.
The reason why Jesus is God, is because every of achievement is to the glory of God. (This is a mystery that man without holy Spirit can not interpret).
So, if you call him son of God, he is son
If you call him God, he is God

Shelumiel:
The verse I quoted were from where...your armpits abi? Mumu

Janosky:
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You claim to be Christian, & you shamelessly claim the words of Jesus in John 20:17,30-31. John 17:3. John 3:16-17. Rev 3:5,11,12,21), are lies.
I challenge you to post every word of Jesus Christ in those Scriptures..
Let everyone see if Jesus Christ is saying what you are claiming.

You love to argue blindly...

Q2.
John 20:30-31. I will post it here....

John 20:30-31.
"And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

John says your salvation is SURE if you believe Jesus Christ is the son of God. = Jesus confirm it in the gospel of John 3:16-17. 14:1. 20:17. 17:3. .

Q3.
Read this part several times...
Did John 10:30 mention Greek Theos ?
No , not at all. !!!
Shelumiel FALSELY claimed it is Greek Theos.

John 17:22, Jesus says his disciples ARE ONE just as "we are one".

John 17:23, Jesus says his Father "loved them just as his Father loved Jesus.

Another fact..
1 Cor 3:6,8 Paul and Apollos (Jesus disciples) are one , just Jesus said "we (the Father and I) are one= John 17:22. 10:30.

Husband and wife are one (united, Matt19:5,6).
The Father and Jesus are one (united).
Jesus disciples are one (united) just Jesus and his Father are united. John 17:22.10:30.
His Father loved Jesus just as his Father loved Jesus disciples.. John 17:23.

Finally,. RECEIVE SENSE...

Shelumiel:
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Oga you're a liar.
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What you're saying does not correlate with John's entire nessage. Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
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Now explain John 10:30 since you claim (foolishly) that there is a corruption.

lepasharon:
Does those failed prophecies of pastorpreneurs take away from the failed prophecies of JW?

You deflected and didn't address my point

Shelumiel:
The JWs and Catholic are not gonna like this

Preciousgirl:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (John 1:1)

Now, all know Jesus to be the word. Substitute Jesus into the verse and see.

It reads,. In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God
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Now, speaking to Jesus based on that same verse, you will sound ,. ..Dear Lord Jesus, you were in the beginning, and Jesus you were with God and Jesus , you were God. .
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May God grant you understanding

kingxsamz:
Moon forms cross

Who is this one, and which hole did you crawl out from?
Which Substance did you take?

lepasharon:
But they have failed prophecies lol

sagenaija:
I asked simple questions. The least you could have done was to directly address them.

The Jews answered Him, “We are not going to stone You for a good work, but for blasphemy, because You, a mere man, make Yourself out to be God.”
John 10:33 AMP

The above was the BLASPHEMY the Jews accused Jesus of. The passage directly addressed it. There is NO NEED to go anywhere else.

A man can adopt a child and call him 'my son' even though he is not his biological offspring. The term denotes a RELATIONSHIP. Jesus's use of the term 'Son of God' denote the relationship he has with God. Note: Relationship.

sagenaija:
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I make you laugh....
... have been dodgy
Proved to be a "very nice teacher"
Who refused to supply 'expo' to his student.

Meanwhile, the 'student' is schooling the "very nice teacher".
The 'student' is asked a SPECIFIC questions but goes off in a tangent.

With all these above what can the "very nice teacher" Do but to congratulate the 'student' for his excellent insights?

jcross19:
very God! I think it's clear to you now? now when a minister represents president in an occasions , if they want to make a report about the occasion and who are they going to say that visited the occasion on news daily?.

salford1:
I still remember the match. Italy won fair and square.
The slow motion playback of Baggio's equalizer was particularly painful to watch.
Still the best super Eagles squad ever.

faith2kool:
Christians Should Stop Celebrating Easter, It Has Nothing To Do With Christ – Reno Omokri

I once told someone that Easter is a pagan holiday that was brought into Christendom (not Christianity), and he looked at me smugly and proceeded to open Acts 12:4 in the King James Version and pointed to the word Easter in the verse below:

“And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.”

When he saw that I was calm, he accused me of being demonically possessed. At that point, I opened the same verse in the New Testament originally written in Koine Greek, where that verse was originally lifted from. In the original Gospel, the word translated Easter is naoxa Romanised as Pascha, which is the Greek word for Passover.

The man was adamant that the evil spirits in me were confusing him. So I asked him to open that same verse (Acts 12:4) in every other translation (thankfully, I have access to about 12 other translations in my home).
In virtually every other translation (NIV, ESV, NASB, NLT, Good News Bible, etc), the word used is Passover.

So, where did the KJV get the word Easter from? From men. Not from God. You see, the King James Version is a Bible written with an agenda. It is not reliable. It will mislead you. And can literally take you to destruction. It is a historical fact that it was translated by men who had a connection to the occult.

Easter has nothing to do with Christ. It is a European pagan holiday. Look at what the Europeans (who originated Easter) do during Easter. They give out Easter eggs and chocolates or cakes made into a rabbit.

What do eggs and rabbits have to do with Christ? Nothing. What do they have to do with His resurrection? Nothing. Eggs and rabbits are a symbol of fertility. An egg means a life is in the shell, and a rabbit is one of the most fertile mammals in creation.

So, why are both used during Easter? Because the origin of Easter is that it was a pagan holiday meant to celebrate the goddess of fertility named Eostre. And if you continue to dig deeper, you can trace this goddess to ancient Egypt.

The word Easter is of demonic origin. 2 Timothy 3:16 says:
“All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.”

Let’s ponder on that for a while. If Scripture is “useful to teach us what is true”, then what Scripture backs up Easter? We must celebrate the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, but that celebration is the Passover. We know precisely when Christ died.

Christ died on the 14th day of the Jewish month of Nisan. We know how Scripture tells us to mark His death, burial and resurrection.

We do this with the Holy Communion:
“For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.”-1 Corinthians 11:23.

The above Scripture is the truth and the authority for which we should mark the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. How does it relate to the current practice of Easter.

Many people will read this and come up with elaborate rational, mental, philosophical or emotional arguments. But should we be led by such, after 2 Timothy 3:16 has warned us that only Scripture should be our guide?

Paul warned us about these days in 1 Timothy 4:1:
“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.”

Now, what is the undisputed origin or Easter? It is historically a festival to a Germanic pagan fertility goddess. This is the same holiday we are celebrating in the name of Christ? Think about it.

If you have doubts about the origin of Easter, you should not take my word for it. Do your research. After all, 2 Timothy 2:15 says ‘study to shew yourself approved’. Don’t just swallow everything your pastor, or denomination tells you hook, line and sinker.

Be like the Berean Christians of whom it was testified as follows: “Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.”

Do not just believe what I have written above. Open Scripture. Search it yourself. Christ did not teach Easter. His disciples did not teach or practice or celebrate Easter.

Easter was not invented until 325 years after Christ’s death when the Council of Nicaea decreed in 325 AD that Easter should be observed on the first Sunday following the first full moon after the spring equinox.

Please do not believe. Assume that I am a liar. Go and carry out your independent research. Do not just assume that everything they do in church is Godly. Be mindful of 2 Corinthians 11:14, which warns as follows, “satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.”

Look at Muslims. I admire them for something. Their mode of worship and their festivals have not changed one bit. It is still as it was when Mohammed handed it over to them. When Christ was dying, His last words were “it is finished” (John 19:30). So why are we allowing men to reopen and amend what Christ finished?

In conclusion, we should be mindful of Galatians 1:8, which says:
“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!”

I have spoken my conscience, as led by the word of God. If you like insult me, attack me, and discredit me. What did Christ say?
“Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also.”-John 15:20

Source: https://tigblog.com.ng/2020/04/07/christians-should-stop-celebrating-easter-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-christ-reno-omokri/

jcross19:
lol!!!!! what's the difference between Theos and theon that's my question not logos as you said.

Shelumiel:
Oga, any fool can put rubbish on google which is why Google is not normally use as a referent in academic work . Now back to the issue : since you say the verse has been "forged "( ) can you kindly show me the original Greek text where this forgery took place?