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1).
"One being AND three persons is not a contradiction." = 4 distinct entities. YES.
Emphasis on : "AND"

Three persons in One Being is GROSS ERROR.
" Jehovah our GOD is One Jehovah. Deut6:4.
God is a spirit. John 4:24.
Deut6:4 & John 4:24. Harmony of the Scriptures is very lucid.

God is NOT triune spirits.
Trinitarians,God is how many spirits?

2).
Trinitarians are confused .
The OP,R ex Del Rosario Alimpuangon points it out the Contradictions in their Trinitarian confusion.


3).
Mr Rex say the Jews believe in monotheism of Deuteronomy 6:4 ,yet he come dey LIE say the Jews mean say the Shema (Deut6:4) Na "the unity of Beings " (Hebrew ,Echod).
Mr Rex Na wayo man.
John 17:3, who is the only true God?
According to Jesus, Where is the unity of Beings in John 17:3?

Genesis 1:27 destroy Trinitarians lie of Genesis 1:26...
"HE created man in his image".
Genesis 1:27, How many persons is "He"?
How many persons is "His"?

Mr Rex LIE:
"Monotheism was unheard of at the time of ancient Israel..."
The man is a crook.
Deuteronomy 6:4 , Psalms 83:18. Exodus 6:3 are proofs.


4).
Jesus Christ shows us that the Trinitarians claim for John 8:58 & 20:28 is a LIE.
John 17:3 . John 20:17.
Exodus 3:14-15 , Hebrew language has no present tense. "I am that I am" does not exist.
(Please Go & research it before you claim I lied.).
"I will be what/who I will be" is the proper , correct statement for Exodus 3:14-15.

Exodus 3:14-15, the God of Moses is the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob and also the God & Father of Jesus Christ in heaven and earth.
Acts 3:13, Revelation 3:5,11,12.

5).
Jesus is the name of God's son,Yahweh is the name of God Almighty.
What is the name of your holy spirit?

Holy spirit is NOT a person.

For example, Romans 8:16 says, “The Spirit itself [not himself] beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.” Similarly, Romans 8:26 says “the Spirit itself [again, not himself] maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.” In these cases the translators correctly used neuter pronouns because the Greek word pneuma, translated “Spirit,” is neuter in gender.

Another example is Matthew 10:20, where Jesus says: “For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which [not who] speaketh in you.” Another is 1 Peter 1:11, which refers to “the Spirit of Christ which [again, not who] was in them.”
Trinity is a FRAUD. Confirmento.

martooski:
5 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRINITY

Rex Del Rosario Alimpuangon

(1). If the Bible teaches that there is one God, why do Catholics teach that that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all God? That’s three Gods.

Perhaps the most common objection to the Trinity is that the numbers don’t seem to add up. Those who don’t accept the idea of a Trinity are usually under the impression that Catholics are content to say that the difficulty can be resolved by taking refuge in the "God is a mystery" argument.

Believing in a mystery does not mean believing in something that is unreasonable or illogical but rather in something you do not have the capacity to ever know completely—such as God. It isn’t something you can’t know anything about; it is something you can’t know everything about.

You’ll still need to demonstrate that the idea of three Persons and one God is not illogical. To begin, explain the difference between being and person. Beinganswers the question "What?" and person answers the question "Who?" For example, pointing to my mother, the question "What is she?" is answered with, "A human being." The question of "Who is she?" is answered with, "Janie."

All persons are beings, but not all beings are persons. For example, you are one being and one person. But a dog is one being and zero persons. With regard to the Trinity, there is one being, which is God, yet there are there Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is not illogical. If one were to say that there is one God and three Gods, or one Person and three Persons—that would be illogical. But one Being and three Persons is not a contradiction.

(2). Some people say that Trinity was one divine Person using three different modes. Is that sort of what Catholics teach?

This is an ancient heresy that has resurfaced in recent years in the Oneness Pentecostal denomination, so you’ll need to be on the lookout for it in your discussions. Originally, this idea was known as modalism, sabellianism, or patripassianism. The Church rejected the concept, since Scripture is clear in demonstrating that the three Persons of the Trinity are distinct. For example, when Jesus prayed to the Father in the Garden of Gethsemane, it is clear that he was not talking to himself. When Jesus told the apostles that he was leaving them to go to the Father in order to send the Holy Spirit, it becomes very confusing if there was only one person playing three roles. If Jesus was the Father, why would he have to go somewhere to be with himself, and if Jesus is the Spirit, why would he have to leave in order to send himself?

(3). If the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God, why didn’t the Jews know that? Their great prayer was, "Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God is one God!"

There are two things to look at here: Why didn’t the Jews know of the Trinity, and where is there a Triune God in the Old Testament?

Jesus did not stand in the manger and announce his divinity, and neither did God stand on Mount Sinai and give Moses a theological exposition of the three distinct Persons who are one in being and nature, existing consubstantially and eternally. The Lord is like a good teacher who reveals his truth by slowly planting seeds and then evoking the truth of the conclusions from his students. His revelation to the Jews was a gradual process, and so there is no problem if he wished to reveal more of himself to humanity as time progressed. As Jesus said, "I have many things yet to say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present" (John 16:12).

Similarly, Jesus revealed that his kingdom would be like a mustard seed that grows into the largest of shrubs. There is an organic development in understanding that takes place over time. This is not a mutation or contradiction of a prior understanding, but the natural flowering of truth.

Where are the Old Testament seeds of the Trinity? In Deuteronomy 6:4, one finds the Shema, the Jewish expression of monotheism: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD." There are two words in Hebrew for one. Yachid means only one. Echod means a compound unity or a united one—as in Genesis: "evening and morning . . . one day" or "husband and wife . . . one flesh." This second word, echod, which describes a unity of beings, is the one used to speak of God, who is not by essence a solitude, but a unity of three persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Other implicit references to the Trinity in the Old Testament include Gen. 1:26, which reads, "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness." Since God was alone at the time of creation (Isa. 44:24, Neh. 9:6) with no other gods, this expression of plurality must refer to God himself. At the Tower of Babel God says, "Let us go down," yet no one else comes down with him (Gen. 11:7).

Still, the Jews did not have an understanding of the Trinity. It was only in Christ that God the Father revealed he had a Son, and that this Son was to send the Spirit. Monotheism was unheard of at the time of ancient Israel, and if Yahweh tried to announce that he was one God in three Persons, it would have seemed to be tritheism (worshiping three gods) to the polytheistic people of the day. God waited for the Christian era to reveal his true nature.

(4). I have no problem believing in God the Father, but where does Jesus claim to be God?

Who created the world, forgives sins, gives eternal life, answers prayers, and is worthy of worship? Few would argue that anyone but God is capable of these things. But the Bible teaches that Jesus does them all (Heb. 1:10; Matt: 9:6; John 10:28; John 14:13; Rev. 5:13–14, respectively).

In John 8:58, Jesus takes this sacred name of God (cf. Ex. 3:14), and applies it to himself: "Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM." Only God may use this title of himself without b.aspheming (Ex. 20:7, Deut. 5:11), and the punishment for misusing his name is death by stoning (Lev. 24:16). Thus Jesus’ good Jewish audience immediately recognized the sacred name, and as a result they picked up stones to kill him when he applied that name to himself (John 8:59).

John 1:1 reads, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (emphasis added). John begins his Gospel by proclaiming the divinity of Christ. Aquinas noted in his Sermon-Conferences on the Apostles Creed that John 1:1 refutes three major Christological heresies in one swipe. By saying, "In the beginning was the Word," the heresy of Photinus (Jesus was a created being) is destroyed. When John says, "and the Word was with God" he refutes the heresy of Sabellius (Jesus was the Father). Lastly, when John says that the "Word was God," the Arian heresy (Jesus was not God) also collapses.

Another compelling verse to consider is John 20:28, where the apostle Thomas says to Jesus, "My Lord and my God." In the Greek, this sentence reads literally, "The Lord of me and the God of me." It would be nothing short of b.asphemy for Jesus not to rebuke Thomas if he were wrong. Jesus does nothing of the sort, but in fact he accepts Thomas’ profession of his identity as God in the next verse.

(5). What evidence is there that the Holy Spirit is equal to God?

Those who deny the Trinity usually do not think that the Holy Spirit is a Person, let alone God. For this reason you will probably have to deal with both issues.

Begin with the personhood of the Spirit. In Acts 13:2, the Holy Spirit says, "Set Barnabas and Saul apart for me for the work to which I have called them" (emphasis added). This is a clear reference to the Holy Spirit as a personal being, not some kind of impersonal force.

John 16 refers to the Holy Spirit as a "he" ten times in a single chapter. Scripture also reveals that the Holy Spirit can be lied to (Acts 5:3), can speak (Acts 8:29; 10:19, 20; 13:2), hear (John 16:13–15), teach (John 14:26), reprove (John 16:8-11), pray and intercede (Rom. 8:26), love (Rom. 15:30), be grieved (Eph. 4:30), and be blasphemed (Mark 3:29). Only a person is capable of these attributes and abilities, and only God can be b.asphemed.

Some argue that since the Holy Spirit is a Spirit, he is not a person. But God is a spirit. Satan is a spirit. Angels and demons are spirits—and all of these are persons. The classic definition of a person is an individual substance of a rational nature. The Holy Spirit is obviously an individual substance, and the above verses confirm that he is of a rational nature.

This should demonstrate sufficiently that the Holy Spirit is a personal being, and so now one must prove that he is God. Any number of biblical passages can be used to support this. Acts 5:1–4 explains that a lie to the Holy Spirit is a lie to God himself. (To see verses where the Holy Spirit is equal to God, compare Isa. 44:24 and Mal. 2:10 with Job 33:4, and Ps. 104:30. Also worth comparing is Ex. 17:2 with Heb. 3:9 and Jer. 31:33 with Heb 10:15–16.)

The Bible contains a number of other passages where the Holy Spirit is on par with God. For example, the Holy Spirit is everlasting (Heb. 9:14), all knowing (1 Cor. 2:10) and omnipresent (Ps. 139:7)—attributes that only God has. Only the Catholic understanding of the Trinity can reconcile these passages.

HOGWASH built on sophistry.

Incrizz:
God bless you dear.

You and the OP, oneolajire don't know shishi...
Or Provide proofs...
My Questions:
Can you show us from your Bible where God punished Adam and Eve, (the first sinners punished by God) by everlasting, perpetual torture ?

Can you show us from your Bible where God sentenced Ananias& Sapphira to everlasting torture?

Shalom.

TATIME:
You guys don't know anything!

You and Janosky will still meet many Sabynus on Nairaland, but the only thing Sabynus sabi do na to argue and argue and argue to win arguments!

Can't you see how he just overlooked the vital point you made at Psalms 110:1?

All his interest is to argue on Hebrew writings not about how to identify or distinguish between the two Lords the Psalmist mentioned!

That's how to identify a Sabynus!

Na so them be......
By fire by force them wan put their own Trinitarians Bible into the holy Scriptures.....

pressplay411:
The verses you referenced were implied. He did not refer to himself as Son of God but always as Son of Man.
My point is not to disprove that he's the son of God but to point out a pattern. That the same way he never referred to himself as the son of God, he likewise never referred to himself as God. But both were implied.
It's up to anyone to decide for himself.

It however doesn't stop you from accessing his Grace as even those who only saw him as the son of David were healed.

Hhmmm...

Sir , you have no response to the question I asked you?

I don't know why you claimed Jesus implied he is the Son of God....
In the holy Scriptures Jesus speaks for himself....

John 10:36 American Standard Version (ASV)
"36 say ye of him, whom the Father [a]sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"

Footnotes:
John 10:36 Or, consecrated



John 19:7 American Standard Version (ASV)
"7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by that law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God."

Shalom

BluntNigerian:
Earlier in March, she brought her wedding invitation card with a bottle of wine to my office to inform me about her wedding. I was so happy for her, at least she finally found that special man she had been searching for all the while.

We talked a lot about past times and popped the wine in celebration. As we giggled and laughed over a lot of things, without even knowing what I was doing, I walked around my table, got to her seat and perked her lips, and went back to my seat. I couldn't remember whatever else we discussed after that small touch of lips, but we ended up having a quick one on my desk.

Since then, I've been trying to brush her off my mind, and I kept reminding myself that she was in my past, furthermore, she would be getting married a week after Easter.

Fast-forward to yesterday, she came back again.
This time, she came to the house. She said that she came to specially inform me that the wedding had been postponed till further notice.

I was trying to be straight forward and mean with her, before she asked what I cooked. Next thing, she started cooking beans and yam. I tried reminding her that we are no more together, then she told me clearly that after the night together, if I don't want her again, then it would be her last night ever in my house.

Being that I have nothing to gain or loose, I kept quiet and enjoyed the night and still hoping for more.

I am not regretting anything here though.
Long Distance, and let me say “poverty”, made her leave me those days for someone richer. And she had been into series of relationships after separating from me, but we were always in touch. At times, we stumble and find ourselves deep inside ourselves again even when we were into serious relationships. We never really stopped.

And I don't think we may stop any time soon, even after we both got married.
We have this thing together that keeps attracting us together, yet we don't just want to be together in a relationship again.
...
#Copied..

This is exactly what a lot of intending brides and grooms are always passing through when their wedding dates are approaching, and that is, having one last fling with an Ex (or some Ex'es) before finally getting married.

You may think that it will end after you are married, but the truth is, it may continue.
This very person would be the reason you are not concentrated in your new family after wedding. You would always see yourself going back to him/her whenever the pressure of your newfound home is weighing down on you.
..
Please, this last fling of a thing is really bad.
It is really dangerous.
It is a Home Breaker.

Better you marry that girl than both of you become a serial home Breakers..... destroying homes , innocent lives and hurting others,especially innocent children from the broken marriages...

placeofallure:
My friend from university days, she had this bf, he didn't marry her cause it was a few months to his wedding when they started dating, though he'd been pestering her for long, she no gree. Her excuse? he's a bit elderly - 8/9 years, not sure.

A relationship started and it was hot. My friend, according to her, didn't know he was that close to marrying his girlfriend, she wouldn't have agreed to date him.

They made love on his wedding day, dunno how the guy managed with that. He hid it from her. She got to know later that that was his wedding day.

It's been years now, they're both married
and they still see. They said they can't stop. I wonder if the two of them are not crazy, they would've just married each other.

So, so for a match made in heaven.

All the personal narratives on this thread, points to a fact often taken for granted in a world that despise morality and godliness ,
It's gotten so bad that adultery& Fornication have been turned to sports.

People today, especially the youths, don't seem to realize that sex , better still,fornication or adultery is a physical activity with deep spiritual implications....
You form a spiritual tie with anyone you sleep with.... 1 Cor 6:16-20.
The consequences are not to be trifled with.
1 Cor 6:9-10. Proverbs 7:1-27. 5:3-11.
Self discipline is very very important.
The story of Joseph teaches big lessons..
Genesis39:7-23.

pressplay411:
Ok, he implied it. But never said it.
That's because he knew it would generate the reaction you saw in John 5:18

Of course you can't see where Jesus said He is God. Just as you can't see where he said he's the son of God.
But both are implied in different verses of the scriptures.

John5:18, Jesus Christ NEVER implied it in that verse or anywhere else !
The Jews made a DUBIOUS,unfounded claim in John 5:18. Let me ask you:
If Pressplay411 calls God his Father,do you mean you are equal to God ?
John10:36. John 19:6-7, please read and study both verses. Shine your eyes.

Jesus Christ emphatically said he is the Son of God everywhere in the holy Scriptures.
John 17:3. John 20:17,30-31. Matt16:13-17.
Shalom.

SOURCE: jw.org
Questions From Readers

● In John 1:1 the term “god” is applied to both the Father and the Son, the Word. But in the Greek text the word for “god” (theos) is written differently in these two instances. Why? What does it mean?

To a person unfamiliar with the Greek language it might seem that there is a significance indicated by the fact that first the word is spelled theon and next theos. But the difference is simply a matter of complying with the Greek grammatical case used.

John 1:1 reads: “In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God [τὸν θεὸν, literally, the god], and the Word was a god [θεὸς].”

Greek has five cases​—nominative, genitive, dative, accusative and vocative. How a word is spelled can vary depending on the case in which it is used. Take, as an example, the definite article “the.” In the masculine gender “the” is respectively written in the first four of these cases: ὁ, τοῦ, τῷ, τὸν, in the singular number.

Similarly, in John 1:1 the word theos is spelled in accord with the particular case being employed. In the first instance (“the Word was with God”) it is in the accusative case and thus is spelled θεὸν But in the second occurrence it is in the nominative case, and so it is spelled θεὸς. The spelling of theos does not of itself indicate the person or position of the one designated, as 2 Corinthians 4:4, 6 illustrates. In 2 Co 4 verse four Satan is identified as θεὸς, “the god of this system of things,” and in 2 Co 4 verse six the Creator is designated θεὸς. The spelling is theos in both verses, for the nominative case is used in each. So the fact that theos is spelled differently in its two occurrences in John 1:1 does not show any difference in meaning; “god” is the meaning in both instances.

What is interesting is that in John 1:1 the definite article ὁ [ho] is not used in front of theos when applied to the Son, the Word. Regarding this point the noted Bible translator William Barclay writes:

“Now normally, except for special reasons, Greek nouns always have the definite article in front of them, . . . When a Greek noun has not got the article in front of it, it becomes rather a description than an identification, and has the character of an adjective rather than of a noun. We can see exactly the same in English. If I say: ‘James is the man’, then I identify James with some definite man whom I have in mind; but, if I say: ‘James is man’, then I am simply describing James as human, and the word man has become a description and not an identification. If John had said ho theos ēn ho logos, using a definite article in front of both nouns, then he would definitely have identified the logos [the Word] with God, but because he has no definite article in front of theos it becomes a description, and more of an adjective than a noun. The translation then becomes, to put it rather clumsily, ‘The Word was in the same class as God, belonged to the same order of being as God ‘. . . . John is not here identifying the Word with God. To put it very simply, he does not say that Jesus was God.”​—Many Witnesses, One Lord (1963), pages 23, 24.

Hence, in both their translations Dr. Edgar J. Goodspeed and Dr. James Moffatt render the phrase as, “the Word [or Logos] was divine.” This reflects the fine distinction in wording that the apostle John used, a distinction that accords with the fact that Jesus was not equal in power and eternity with the Father but was the created Son of the Father. (1 Cor. 11:3) The New World Translation accurately renders the Joh 1 verse 1: “In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”
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John 1:1, 'The Word' is an identification of a being,a person.
John 1:1 Greek "tov Theon" (The God) is an identification of a person,the Supreme Being.
John 1:1, "Theos" is descriptive of divine nature....
The examples abounds in the Greek Scriptures and hupernikao knows it ......

If you agree with Jesus Christ in the physical realm and the spiritual realm, you won't be here shouting upandan to defend a satanic scam not taught by Jesus Christ.

If you have removed John 20:17,30-31 and Revelation 3:5,11,12,21 from your own Bible, no wahala.
Shalom.

hupernikao:
THEON/THEOS Lexicon

See attachments below from your support organisation (JW websites). Its either you are not being dishonest or you dont read at all. I have helped you get it from your support base.

This is something i have pointed out to you severally but seems you dont read. A good student will go ahead and check if it's true or not. It is not smart just repeating errors that you have been pointed to.

I am not even talking of scriptures. I am talking of your use of Greek lexicon. It's totally wrong. You should learn it the way you learn English. Don't speak people's language/word without proper knowledge of the word.

Imaging saying Theon created Theos. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

Theon and Theos are not different words. They mean the same stop the embarrassment. I have shown you than ton Theon was used for a goddess. Theon and Theos are based on grammatical construction not religion. Stop and go and read your Greek well.

Theon, Theos, Theou etc are all different form of saying God depending on grammar but it is the context that should determine if its almighty God or anyother not the word formation.

The Greek used PANTHEON to mean remember of all Gods. It is related to anything deity.

Why is it a hard thing for you to learn. Go check books, Google and materials and stop embarrassing your myself and also misleading others. You can go ahead and prove your "Jesus is not God" without having to twist words.

Why do we like putting religion coloration to everything to the end that you refused glaring truth about language. Can you go to Greece or Greek speaking environment and say this. Please stop asking always of yourself.

I have given you below a simple Google search for

"what is the difference between THEON and THEOS in Greek"
See below attachment as Google results yourself. You can make same search.

I have also given you a snapshot of one of your support organizations JW sites that support his. See second and third attachments.

I have seen many of you propagate this lies all around NL. Please stop presenting yourself in bad light and untruthful.

It also show you arent abreast with your organisation way of using lexicon. Please go an learn.

Even in ancient Greek, Philosophers and writers like Socrates and Plato usage of God was mostly Theos because of the context. Please do research. It is not enough to just be typing.

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/40477/who-is-plato-and-socrates-god

Observe that evidence and facts i presented to you are internal to your organisation and doctrine so Please after this correct yourself to make discussing with you productive.

Hupernikao claim:
" Imagine saying Theon created Theos. Please stop embarrassing yourself"

You REFUSED to quote the exact statement I made.. Hupernikao, why ?

What's your agenda?

I NEVER said Theon and Theos mean different things. Stop misquoting me.

My STATEMENT:
The God (Greek TOV Theon) created Theos (man, angels,Jesus).
Jesus NEVER used that expression to refer to himself. John 17:3. John 20:17. John 14:1.
Is it not there in your Greek whatever?
Tell the world where my STATEMENT lied ....

Yes ,Acts 19:37 Theon referred to a goddess.
Is Jesus Christ a goddess?
Abeg shift !

TruthHurts100:
LOL, what did Jesus sacrificed for our sin? His body I guess. So what sense does it make that you still have what you have sacrificed?

Kumuyi worshipper is suffering from sifia disorientation from reality..
Kumuyi junk done fry him brain wella

OLAADEGBU:
If I tell you about my Jesus your indoctrination will translate that for you to mean arch angel Michael, if I talk about the scriptures your NWT will twist it to water it down. What you guys need is deliverance from the bondage your organisation has put you through.

You are spewing kumuyi junk , not the holy Scriptures.
You can't prove anything shishi.....
This topic is PROOF you know nothing about the holy Scriptures.....
You need to purge yourself from kumuyi junk, if not your case is beyond redemption..

OLAADEGBU:
You are still prevaricating. Where is the physical body that Jesus died in?

Hebrews 10:10, KJV: "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." ..

. Hebrews 10:10, NLT: "For God's will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time."


John 6:51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And this bread, which I will give for the life of the world, is My flesh."


Jesus says he sacrificed his body for the sin of mankind.... 1 Peter 2:24.

Kumuyi worshipper, after you give offering,you dey collect back your offering from your Church box ?

Kumuyi junk done fry your brain.

pressplay411:
There are scriptures that confirm that Jesus is God though, both in the Old and new testaments.

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is a God. NOT Almighty God.
1 Cor 8:5-6, Psalms 82:1,6. Man is a God.
John 17:3, who is the ONLY TRUE God?

1 Tim 3:16 KJV is a FORGERY.
Compare KJV & other Bibles , you will observe a glaring difference... (Assignment for you)

See other PROOF:

Jozzy4:
Everyone given birth to is a Creation .



Stop confusing yourself with this old english of brought forth ! I WAS GIVEN BIRTH TO , how ?



Rubbish !



@ underlined , since you admit the expression earth is brought forth with labour pains means MADE The earth , why are you shying away from given the same meaning to proverb 8:24 where the same expression appeared ?

Trinitarians twist ,deny and alter the truth..
LIARS they are....
See the proof here.
Compare Prov 8:22 and Genesis 14:19,22.
King James Bible
And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

Christian Standard Bible
He blessed him and said: Abram is blessed by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth,

Contemporary English Version
and said to Abram: "I bless you in the name of God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth.

Good News Translation
blessed him, and said, "May the Most High God, who made heaven and earth, bless Abram!.

Verdict:
Is the Wisdom of Proverbs 8:22-30 a person?
Is the Word of John 1:1 a person?
Answers : YES !

Prov 8:22-30, 1Cor1:24,30. John 1:1a
The Word & Wisdom personified is Jesus Christ, "the first born of every creature" Col 1:13-15.

hupernikao:
I have read well Sir, over again. You are the one who pointed to it, kindly provide your explanation. Dont go around dropping verses without explanation, that doesnt show you as a good student. You quote a verse, i asked you to explain but you cant.

Sadly for such a dogma you hold in high esteem, how you interpret expression of "wisdom" as being Jesus/his creation and how you can explain "firstborn" as meaning creation or created. You make a joke of the Hebrews and Greek lexicons Bro. A serious joke.

Trinitarian misinterpretation doesn't change
1 Cor 1:24,30 and Prov8:22-30, Jesus Christ is the Wisdom personified.

The "Wisdom" was created,("the first born of every creature",Col 1:15) & was the master craftsman at his Father's side (also called "the Word in John 1:1) John 1:2,3,18. Hebrews 1:1-2. Proverbs 8:22-30) , through Jesus, his Father created the universe.
No be rocket science...

Eulalia:
2 Kings 2
1
When the LORD was about to take Elijah up to heaven in a whirlwind, Elijah and Elisha were on their way from Gilgal.
2
Elijah said to Elisha, "Stay here; the LORD has sent me to Bethel." But Elisha said, "As surely as the LORD lives and as you live, I will not leave you." So they went down to Bethel.


Read at the bolded

Jesus the son of God is sinless and very perfect. He NEVER lied.
Elijah was transferred/ transported to another earthly location , not heaven.
Thanks for bringing this up.
Shalom

dre11:
*He abandoned us for 3 weeks — Widow



https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/04/man-dies-during-romp-with-pregnant-lover-inside-container/

Galatians 6:7.
Number 23:19.
No man can deceive his Creator

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tiswell:
There was rumour then after the match that it was sold to Italy, Bonfere Jo only confirmed it recwntly

I have ZERO PROOF to back Bonfrere Jo's claim.
But,the manner Nigeria lost that world cup match to Italy was controversial.
Remember, the match was played in a city populated by Americans with Italian ancestry , where Italians dey,the Mob dey.....

Let me give one classic example,Afcon 1994 final,Nig vs Zambia....
The players then revealed Bonfrere Jo insisted Amuneke Emmanuel be brought into the first team line up for the match as a joker (a dark horse) unknown to the Zambian players since Yekini and other attackers would be closely marked
.... Amuneke scored twice... The rest is history.

Why did Westerhoof keep (two jokers ),hot and deadly strikers (Victor ikpeba and Efan Ekoku ) on the bench after the injury to Amokachi & Amuneke?
Ikpeba and Efan Ekoku were among the best African goal scorers in Europe at that time...
Both guys could have seized that golden opportunity to make great impact on the pitch as Amuneke had done at Tunisia"94.

SperoQuest:
i am 100% sure.

It's a big grand plan by the world order.

They are making way for a one world government

The more you look,the less you see....
All kinds of stories flying right left and center on the internet.
Only God knows the truth!

OLAADEGBU:
So what happened to His physical body, where is it?

What did Jesus Christ sacrifice for your sins?

Eulalia:
I won't say Jesus ascended into heaven in flesh and bones. He was transformed as he was being taken up according to the book of 1st Corinthians 15:50.
I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality,

So I would say he was changed in a flash from corruptible (flesh and blood ) to incorruptible at ascension just like we shall all be transformed when caught up in the air to meet Christ at rapture.

Elijah too was transformed within twinkle of an eye as he was caught up in the heavenly chariots.

Jesus Changed , transformed from flesh to spirit. 1 Cor 15:50
1 peter 3:18...
"For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God, after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm."


Elijah did not go to heaven ,John the Baptiser too. Jesus confirmed it in John 3:13. Matt11:11
Matt 5:3,5

OLAADEGBU:
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know you the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof you have heard that it should come; and even now already it is in the world" (1 John 4:1-3).

Shame on you kumuyi worshipper...
did 1 John 4:1-3 tell you that Jesus Christ resurrected to heaven in the flesh ?

You no get sense

OLAADEGBU:
Why should I quote the scriptures to you knowing you only believe in your Watchtower fallacies?

Kumuyi no know the Bible,how him worshippers and front man go know?
John 17:3 ,go & figure it out,if you dey reason well

OsuMustGo:
Ishtar is definitely Easter.

YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE FACT.

Eostre= Ishtar= Easter

Maximus69:
He was created! Proverbs 8:22
He is an angel!

Yes ooooo.
Gbagam !!!!

Proverbs 8:22, to verses 30
“Lord Jehovah created me at the beginning of his creation and from before all of his works"

Who is personified as Wisdom..?
1 Cor 1:24,30 , Jesus Christ is the Wisdom of Proverbs 8:22-30
"The first born of every creature" Col1:15,Rev3:14.


Proverbs 8:22 is a SOLID PROOF "the beginning of creation by God" in Rev3:14 should NEVER be mistranslated as "the ruler of creation" in many Trinitarians Bibles.


If you claim Wisdom is not a person in Proverbs8:22, then you are also FALSELY claiming that "the Word" of John 1:1 is not a person...
(Trinitarians,una can't shift this goalpost)

Proverbs 8:22-30 , the personified Wisdom was created & was working with God.
Two entities , not one.
John 1:1,two entities,not one.
Ton TOV Theon "the only True God" (John 17:3. 20:17) and Theos (Greek > a god /God).
TOV Theon is NOT Jesus Christ..
In the Bible, Jesus NEVER used Tov Theon to speak about himself.. John 17:3. 14:1 .20:17


Jehovah CREATED "the first born of every creature" ,his son ,(Col1:15) to work with Jehovah to create other things > Col 1:16.
Trinitarians,i dey ask una :
Did Jesus create his Father? No ,at all...

Therefore, (Greek Dia) by means of, THROUGH Jesus, "the first born of every creature" working with the Father, other things were created. Col 1:16.. John 1:3. Hebrews 1:2
The God created Theos (man , angels,Jesus) in His image.

The Bible’s answer
The celebration of Easter is not based on the Bible. If you look into its history, though, you will see the true meaning of Easter—it is a tradition based on ancient fertility rites. Consider the following.

Name: The Encyclopædia Britannica says: “The English name Easter is of uncertain origin; the Anglo-Saxon priest Venerable Bede in the 8th century derived it from the Anglo-Saxon spring goddess Eostre.” Others link it to Astarte, the Phoenician fertility goddess who had the Babylonian counterpart Ishtar.

Hares, rabbits: These are symbols of fertility “handed down from the ancient ceremonial and symbolism of European and Middle Eastern pagan spring festivals.”​—Encyclopædia Britannica.

Eggs: According to Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary of Folklore, Mythology and Legend, the hunt for Easter eggs, supposedly brought by the Easter rabbit, “is not mere child’s play, but the vestige of a fertility rite.” Some cultures believed that the decorated Easter egg “could magically bring happiness, prosperity, health, and protection.”—Traditional Festivals.

New Easter outfit: “It was considered discourteous and therefore bad luck to greet the Scandinavian goddess of Spring, or Eastre, in anything but fresh garb.”—The Giant Book of Superstitions.

Sunrise services: These have been linked to rites of ancient sun worshippers “performed at the vernal equinox welcoming the sun and its great power to bring new life to all growing things.”—Celebrations—The Complete Book of American Holidays.

The American Book of Days well describes the origin of Easter: “There is no doubt that the Church in its early days adopted the old pagan customs and gave a Christian meaning to them.”

The Bible warns against worshipping God by following traditions or customs that displease him. (Mark 7:6- Second Corinthians 6:17 states: “‘Separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing.’” Easter is a pagan holiday that those who want to please God will avoid."

SOURCE: jw.org

OUR READERS ASK . . .

Is Easter Really a Christian Celebration ?


Easter is described in the Encyclopædia Britannica as the “principal festival of the Christian church that celebrates the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.” However, is it a Christian celebration?

To establish the authenticity of an artifact, attention to detail is critical. Similarly, for us to see whether Easter is a Christian celebration, it is essential that we take a look at the details related to Easter.

First of all, Jesus asked his followers to commemorate, not his resurrection, but his death. The apostle Paul called this occasion “the Lord’s Evening Meal.”—1 Corinthians 11:20; Luke 22:19, 20.

Easter bunnies, chicks, and eggs
Additionally, many of the Easter traditions “have little to do” with Jesus’ resurrection, states the Britannica, “but derive from folk customs.” For instance, regarding the popular Easter symbols the egg and the rabbit, The Encyclopedia of Religion says: “The egg symbolizes new life breaking through the apparent death (hardness) of the eggshell.” It adds: “The rabbit was known as an extraordinarily fertile creature, and hence it symbolized the coming of spring.”

Philippe Walter, a professor of medieval literature, explains how such customs became part of the Easter celebration. He wrote that “in the process of the Christianization of pagan religions,” it was easy to associate the pagan festival that celebrated “the passage from the death of winter to the life of springtime” with Jesus’ resurrection. Walter adds that it was a key step in introducing “Christian commemorations” to the pagan calendar, thus smoothing the way to mass conversion.

This process of “Christianization” did not occur while the apostles were still alive, because they acted as a “restraint” against paganism. (2 Thessalonians 2:7) The apostle Paul warned that after his “going away,” men would “rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves.” (Acts 20:29, 30) And late in the first century, the apostle John wrote that some men were already misleading Christians. (1 John 2:18, 26) The way was open for the eventual adoption of pagan customs.

“Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers.”—2 Corinthians 6:14

Some may feel, however, that allowing some of the Easter customs was not wrong—that it gave “pagans” a better understanding of the meaning of Jesus’ resurrection. Paul, however, would never have agreed. Although exposed to many pagan customs while traveling through the Roman Empire, he never adopted any of them to give people a better understanding of Jesus. On the contrary, he warned the Christians: “Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? ‘Therefore, get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing.’”—2 Corinthians 6:14, 17.

What is the result of our brief examination of the details? It has clearly revealed that Easter is not a Christian celebration"

Source:jw.org[b][/b]

Therapyken:
Luke 24:31. Jesus never disappeared from his disciples before his death; that became possible because he was resurrected a spirit person. In Luke 24:39,40, Jesus merely materialised before his disciples and asked them to touch him in order that they would have no doubts that he was their master. Much more like the angel who wrestled with Jacob, or like those angels who had children with earthly women during Noah's day.

It is there in his Bible,but Kumuyi worshipper has ZERO knowledge of his Bible.....
Cult of personality worshipper

psucc:
N51,000 To Churches Before Getting Married in Nigeria.
opera.comApr 11, 2020 10:07 AM


The Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria (PFN) has poured out dissatisfaction over the new law from the Ministry of Interior head by Rauf Aregbesola that compulsory payment of N30,000 by Churches to perform statutory marriages and N21,000 for each marriages certificate.

PFN has alleged that churches are being targeted by the Federal Government following the new marriage certificate law introduced by the Ministry of Interior.

PFN’s National President of the fellowship, Rev.(Dr.) Felix Omobude who lashed out at the Ministry of Interior over the imposition of a compulsory N30,000 charge license for Christian worship centres for the conduct of statutory marriages in churches and N21,000 for each marriage certificate alleged that it is an attempt to commercialize Christian marriages in the country.

Omobude called on the Federal Government to shelve the unpopular policy which he said is exploitative and targeted against Christian marriages in the country. He added that they will use every legal means to stop the new marriage certificate law.

He said;

“This is very unfair and to the best of our understanding, the new law is targeted against the Church because the Traditional and Islamic weddings are exempted from paying the new marriage certificate fees.
“PFN is at a loss as to why Church Marriages should be in the exclusive list of the nation’s constitution. The PFN, therefore calls on the Federal Government to immediately shelve the unpopular policy targeted against Christian marriages in the country.
“If the Ministry of Interior is in dire need of funds, it should look elsewhere and resist the temptation of placing an extra financial burden on the Christians and their churches

Correct fleecing..... Haba !!!!
Coded Robbery ooooo !
JWs don't pay any fees, (even sef no money is given to the Speaker or officiating minister) for their wedding ceremony at our kingdom Halls.

thankgod460:
The question asked you, you didn't answer it.

Anyway, God is not author of confusion.
As per your question go and pray that God should reveal the answer to you.

Thanks sir

Bros, Na where you go your school ?
I ask you again, final question:
Revelation 3:5,11,12 , according to Jesus Christ in heaven,is Jesus Christ the Son of God?