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freshboi88:
It is Ur teaching tht ridicules Faith. How can God create Jesus through Jesus. I am not the 1 that said it o. Go and read your Jehovah Witness bible it is there. Maybe ur elders forgot to edit tht part

Your claim "God create Jesus through Jesus" is your own. Na you talk am.

Your claim doesn't exist in the NWT.

Please don't make your false claims and attribute it to Jehovah's witnesses.

In the other thread, I wrote "Bros,calm down.
That's from me to you.
In the other thread,i will address your questions.
We have not concluded our chat.

Shalom.

thorpido:
You're the one who should not get confused and learn Scriptures.
In John 13:13,Jesus said,
No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
How come Jesus says He's in heaven even as he spoke on the earth?
Learn the word of God with a humble spirit.God will show you many things.

Bros, shine your eyes well well...
That is = meaning....
The son of man who is in heaven came down from heaven to earth..... That's the point.

For example, my brother came down to Nigeria, he is in America. That is,my brother lives in America. But He visited Nigeria.

Shalom.

freshboi88:
The Word is a Spirit Being not a person. The source, origin and beginning of God's creation

Very good !
Thanks for your response...
Let's kindly answer this question and we will move forward:

Bros, why you dey deceive yourself and dodge the point.

Genesis 49:3
" the BEGINNING of my procreative strength"
In this Scripture, what is meaning of "the BEGINNING" ?

Mark 13:19, " the beginning of the creation which God created"
In this Scripture,what is the meaning of "the BEGINNING"

Bros, Thanks in advance for your response.

freshboi88:
Y dont u answer my question oga.

If doctrine has blinded you so much, u can't understand anything nymore. Let's take it one step at a time

Is Jesus part of God's creature?

Yes !
The firstborn of every creature, the firstborn of every living being.
A creature is a living being , you got it?

Bros,calm down. We will get there...

hupernikao:
This is exactly what has been said over and over again. Quoting scriptures, inserting your own words, meaning and intent. That is dangerous.

You quoted Genesis 49:3

Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:

And you inserted the word procreative which wasn't in the original text. Aren't you dangerous with this acts?

The Hebrew word used there is koach used 160 times in OT and it all meant might, strength, power, no single use as procreative. Why did you insert procreation. That is a personal meaning not godly inspired. And you have the boldness to use it as a defence. God dey watch you in 3D.

Kindly explain this, because this is very bad and dangerous.
Even though @freshboi88 has giving you a proper follow up explanation, I don't think you deserve any explanation knowing fully well that you deliberately manipulated the bible to sway him.

Which original word in that verse turned to procreative, Janosky, small small o.

@Adakintroy2
Should we embrace this and smile it away Sir?

Hupernikao is not interested in the truth and you will be exposed....
Hupernikao is here to MISLEAD people.
Hebrew koach is NOT Hebrew Owni= Strength.
Abeg geroutta here..

You are here to shift attention away from the point freshboi88 have not grasped yet.

Genesis 49:3 Strength= power (in the loins= procreative power), virility... ability (to procreate).

Horus:
https://factology.com/ankhtocross_next.gif

Christians are indeed idols whorshipers.

Except Jehovah's witnesses.
We have no symbols of the Cross in the kingdom Halls neither do we have any in our residence.

How can someone create a symbol he claims to be the murder weapon of his beloved friend and wear it like a bracelet or even say prayers with it?

Common sense is not common at all !

thorpido:
God is Spirit.
There are different spirits - there is the Spirit of God,there is the human spirit,the angels and demonic spirits.They are not the same.
Jesus is the Spirit of God.....the Spirit of God is God.

Please don't confuse yourself.
Jesus Christ says God is a spirit, John 4:24.
Did Jesus tell you he is referring to himself?

OtemAtum:
He was a fictitious character whose fictitious story inspired both Jehovah's witness, Catholic and Protestants.

He was a fictitious character but on Christmas day all atheist go wine and dine to celebrate the fictitious character.

Common sense is not common indeed.

freshboi88:
Who says Jesus is not the Son of God. So I ask u if John 1:3 says nothing was created without Jesus.....Do u know the meaning of Nothing. If Jesus was created. It means Created Jesus needed a Jesus to be created..... Please respond to this

If you are a child of God and you are guided by God's Spirit, you would not be insultive u would make ur points in love is God is love

So respond to question and disprove this:

Who says Jesus is the Son of God. So I ask u if John 1:3 says nothing was created without Jesus.....Do u know the meaning of Nothing. If Jesus was created. It means Created Jesus needed a Jesus to be created..... Please respond to this

Bros, I don't mean to insult you.
I apologize if you find it that way.
Please,no vex.

I will respond to your questions here.
But let me know your views on this:
In John 1:1, "the Word was with TOV Theon (the God)"

Is "the Word" a person?
Please respond,then we move forward.

Shalom

Rozz:
In any arguments,each side always have something to prove.Unfounded claims?smh

Please who is speaking to you in Revelation 3:5,11,12 &21. John 14:28 and John 20:17?

Do you wholeheartedly believe what he says?

freshboi88:
It's awful comparing Reuben with Jesus..Please dnt ever try that again.

Bros, why you dey deceive yourself and dodge the point.

Genesis 49:3
Reuben,you are my firstborn.. the beginning of my procreative strength"
("the beginning of creation " Rev3:14, is Reuben the Originator of the Father's procreation strength?)


Rev 3:14 Jesus. " the beginning of the creation of God"

Mark 13:19 " the beginning of the creation which God made..."
Col 1:15 , Jesus "the firstborn of every creature"

What is the point here?
Revelation 3:14 " the beginning of the creation of God
Or:
Mark 13:19 " the beginning of the creation which God made...'

Rev 3:14 and Mark 13:19, both expressions MEAN the same thing= the first creation by God.
(and Genesis 49:3) "the beginning of my procreative strength" gives SOLID PROOF that
Freshboi88 claim for Revelation 3:14 "the Source the Originator is FRAUD.

I ask you again, Bros:
Based on your claim for Rev 3:14 , In Gen 49:3, (Deut 21:17) Is Reuben the Source /Originator of the Father's procreation strength?
Reply is vital to this discussion.

Rozz:
JW are one of a kind to deal with in an argument.

Dearie, JWs are Bible students, not my -pastor ,god- of -men- pastorpreneurs- says follow follow...
What the Bible really says, not man made twists of what it says
That is what you are seeing on this forum.
We use the Bible to prove its Truth and where freshboi88 and others resort to use unfounded claims we point it out.

Shalom

freshboi88:
Col 1:15, quoted wrongly again...u guys have a warped understanding of scripture. Why is Jesus called the firstborn of all creature.

Now go-to col 1:18 to get a clearer picture. Always read the scripture very well don't pick one verse and think you know it all

Col 1:18: And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

So as u can c , reading further down makes u understand better. He is the firstborn because he was the first to defeat death and rise from the grave to eternal life. And by doing so open the way for others.

Romans 8:29 For God knew his people in advance, and he chose them to become like his Son, so that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters

So as u can see been the firstborn has nothing to do with Jesus been created, it has everything to do with our salvation. Cos he was the first to rise from the dead

Col 1:15 Jesus "the firstborn of every creature"
= "The firstborn of every living being." (Man , angels, animals).

Have you ever read in your Bible that angels were dead ?

Are the dead living creatures ?

Mark 13:19 and Revelation 3:14 uses the same expression : "the beginning of the creation".


Genesis 49:3
"Reuben, you are my firstborn; My might and the beginning of my strength, Preeminent in dignity and preeminent in power. Deuteronomy 21:17.
("The beginning of my Strength" = Reuben , the Beginning of his Father's procreation Strength.
NOT Reuben "Originator... , NOT Reuben "the Source..." Your Trinity claim in Rev 3:14 faulty.)

Bros, no deceive yourself.
The firstborn of every creature (living beings) is not a reference to the dead. No correlation.


Col 1:18 Jesus Christ is "the first son of God that his Father raised up from death and can NEVER taste death again. And Jesus received authority to raise the dead John 5:26-29.
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Does your brain register the fact that Romans 8:29 you quoted, God calls Jesus Christ His own Son?

freshboi88:
Hahaha...This guy is trying to be clever by half. How is Rev 1:8 a ref to the Father?....Why did u stop at 6?.….why didn't u quote verse 7.

Here's what verse 7 says

◄ Revelation 1:7 ►
Behold, he comes with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen

Who comes with clouds and who was pierced, the Father or The Son?... The preceding verse was referring to Jesus and not The Father.


I have uncovered your lies. For you to ask me if Almighty God get papa shows you are still thinking in the realm of the physical, Ur reason is still based on your human knowledge and reasoning. You forget that God says as the heaven is far from the earth so are his ways far from ours. It is only when you understand this that u will stop applying human knowledge to God.

Bros, no dey deceive yourself....

Have you forgotten your quote of John 14:28?
Have you forgotten 1Cor11:3?
Do you even believe in it?

Have you forgotten your answer to the questions on Rev 1:5-6. Rev3:5,11,12 &21?

Rev1:1 God Almighty (Owner of the Message) gave Jesus the Revelation.
Jesus Christ is his servant. Rev3:12.


Nothing amiss, if God's Revelation says "I am coming", Na Him message he gave Jesus His son ,to show us.
Your Messenger's message is your own Message. (No reasonable person will say that you and your Messenger share equality).
Oga Na Master.

Revelation 22:13, " I am Alpha and Omega applies strictly to God Almighty. NOT to Jesus Christ.

freshboi88:
1)
To answer your questions...*God The Father*

But

I dont see any contradiction here.

Infact u make me correct every single time

Let me explain in John 14:28 You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

2)
Here Jesus clearly shows that The Father has a higher authority than him but in John 10:30 I and the Father are one, he claims equality

My earthly father can give me power over his possession.I now ask you is my father greater than me?.....Yes by authority. No by nature because we are both Humans.

1)
Bros no deceive yourself....
Rev 1:5-6. Rev 3:3,11,12 in the spiritual realm,
Who is the God and Father of Jesus Christ?
You quoted John 14:28 "the Father greater than Jesus in the physical realm.
You answered "God the Father".
The Father is greater than Jesus in the spiritual realm where Jesus is living now.

Bros,Receive sense.


2)
John 10:30 who dey deceive you that "Father and I are one " means equality?

Matt 19:5-6 Man and wife are one.

1 Cor 11:3
" I want you to know that God is the head of Christ , Christ is the head of man.
In turn,man is the head of Woman"

In the physical and the spiritual realm,in your own Bible, Jesus Christ says he is the son of his own God and Father.
There is no equality. John 14:28.1Cor 11:3. Rev3:5,11,12.

Bros, RECEIVE SENSE !

freshboi88:
You guys just keep quoting scripture that you done have the slightest understanding about. You have quoted Rev 3:14 wrongly.

Now let's take a look at another translation:

Berean Study Bible
To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Originator of God’s creation.

International Standard Version
"To the messenger of the church in Laodicea, write: 'The Amen, the witness who is faithful and true, the originator of God's creation, says this:

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“And to The Messenger of the assembly of the Laidiqians write: “Thus says The Eternal, The Trustworthy and True Witness, and The Source of The Creation of God:”


Now do u get the picture?.. You have to look at the whole context to understand, u have just shown ur lack of understanding of scripture

Beginning, Origin, Source...all synonyms can can be used interchangeably.

Now to buttress my point let's look at John 1:3 again

John 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Doesn't this mean that Jesus would need Jesus to be created?....pls sincerely answer this

Bros, don't deceive yourself..

Mark 13:19 and Revelation 3:14 says "the beginning of the creation"
Artful FORGERS, Why una no put SOURCE , "Originator in Mark 13:19?

Put the "Source" , Originator" to replace " the beginning" @Mark 13:19. John 1:1. Matt24:8. Proverbs 8:22. Matt19:4.

Greek Arkhe = beginning...
That is the meaning ("Beginning" whenever the word is used with reference to Creation..
At Revelation 3:14, Greek Arkhe= "beginning" of the creation of God". Mark13:19.


Artful FORGERS supporting FRAUD.

*.

Adakintroy2:
The bible have singular interpretations but we have multi denominations with multi doctrines all claiming to be the right one.

So now what is the truth? No long text. Just sum it up in few senstences?

Ask am if he believes the words of Jesus Christ in Revelation 3:5,11,12 and 21?

freshboi88:
There is no where in the Bible that says Christ was created. There are several parts of scripture that implies he wasnt

Colossians 1:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"

Revelation 3:14" Jesus says he is the beginning of the creation by God"

Jesus Christ was created by his Father, simple and straightforward sentence.
No maggi and pepper to make it taste better to Trinitarians.
"In the beginning" doesn't mean "the Ruler" oh Artful FORGERS. Matt19:4. John 1:1. Matt24:8. Prov8:22.

Freshboi88 go bring maggi and pepper come here...

freshboi88:
Does the Bible contradict itself. No. If u make a point, u must prove from scripture and what scripture u quote must be consistent throughout the Bible. If it does not, you do not understand what you have read.

Revelation 1:17-18: “[17] And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

This is the very word of Jesus Christ. Jusxtapose this with the words of Jehovah

Isaiah 44:6: “Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.”

Why would Jehovah and Jesus describe themselves as the first and the last?

Who is the actual first and last?

Who is stealing whose title?

Be reminded that even in Rev 22:13.. Jesus says I am the Alpha and the Omega. Why would he say that?.....Isn't that Jehovah's title ?

Remember your statement:
"The Father has higher authority....." It is on record freshboi88 said so...
So, Why contradict yourself ?

My Questions for you:

According to Jesus,Matthew 28:18 ,All authority and power was given to Jesus by whom?

According to Jesus Christ,John 5:26-27, life and authority was given to Jesus by Whom?

Revelation 3:21, in heaven whose throne does Jesus sit on?

freshboi88:
I am not arguing Jwit Vs Other Christian denominations. I want us to put facts on the table and not argue blindly. Do not be in a hurry to make your point.

First thing first, Trinitarians do not say that God the Father doesn't exist. Of course! He does. But so does the Son and the Holy Spirit.

To counter your assertion. I assume you have an earthly father right? Of course! You do, u didn't just fall from the sky. Are there things your father's knows that you don't? . Is your father greater than you? Are u the same with your father?........

Is there anything that unites you and your father?
Are you equal with your father?

Now here's the clue to get u thinking.....for me your father must be greater than you right?....I mean if he delegates a task to u, u do it right out of respect and love. But when it comes to equality, I'll say u both are the same. How?

Your nature, your father isn't a higher human being than you. You both are humans. All human beings are equals but authority and role is what differentiates us. While some are presidents, others are cleaners and messangers...everyone has his role.

This is the Trinitarian teaching....one in nature. The Son of God is God United with the Father by the very fact that they share the same nature. However just like humans and angels authority differs.

So the fact that the Father has a higher authority doesn't take away the Divinity of Jesus. Just the same way that your father doesn't take away your humanity

See as your last sentence dey mumu your post.
Freshboi88
"The Father has higher authority"
Yet you dey quote Revelation 1:8 to claim Jesus Christ is the Almighty..
Almighty God dey get Papa ?

Revelation 1:5-6.

," 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood, 6who has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and power forever and ever! Amen.…"

Revelation 1:8 is a reference to Jehovah the Almighty God& Father of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 1:5-6 FACT.
The spiritual realm is stronger than the physical realm.. , do you agree?

Have you read Revelation 3:5,11,12&21?
Read , study and agree with Jesus Christ.
Then, Dump the Trinity for your Trashcan.
Shalom.

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The Second of Peter 2:1-6 NWT.

2 However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you.+ These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them,+ bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. 2 Furthermore, many will follow their brazen conduct,*+ and because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively.+ 3 Also, they will greedily exploit you with counterfeit words. But their judgment, decided long ago,+ is not moving slowly, and their destruction is not sleeping.+
4 Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned,+ but threw them into Tarʹta·rus,*+ putting them in chains* of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.+ 5 And he did not refrain from punishing an ancient world,+ but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness,+ safe with seven others+ when he brought a flood upon a world of ungodly people.+ 6 And by reducing the cities of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah to ashes, he condemned them,+ setting a pattern for ungodly people of things to come."

**
To set the record straight.

Shalom.

Incrizz:
Can you kindly paste here in the comment from your own Bible:

2Peter 2:4-6
Kindly also note the last line in verse 6.

I really want to know what the last line in verse 6 says in your Bible. Thanks.

2 Peter 2 New International Version (NIV)
False Teachers and Their Destruction
2 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[b] to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;"



Footnotes:

[a] 2 Peter 2:4 Greek Tartarus
[b]. 2 Peter 2:4 Some manuscripts in gloomy
dungeons"

** My comments:
2 Peter 2:4 God sent the disobedient angels to Greek Tartarus.. "putting them in chains of darkness..."
(Incrizz, you dey see am...
My question for you:
Did God torture disobedient angels?
Please give your answer...
Tartarus is NOT an eternal torture chamber..
My dear, what is Greek Tartarus? (Please go & find out).

Verse5:
God punished the ungodly people of Noah's day with a great flood..

Verse6:
"God made Sodom and Gomorrah an example of what is going to happen to ungodly people..."
(Incrizz, you dey see am...
Question for you:
Did God torture ungodly Sodom and Gomorrah forever in a fiery furnace?
Please give your answer...

NB:
2 Peter 2:1-3 is giving you an important message, do you get the message ?
Shalom.

Ihedinobi3:
[5]Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, [6]who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, [7]but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. [8]Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. [9]For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, [10]so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, [11]and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:5-11 NASB

[5]Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says, "Sacrifice and offering You have not desired, But a body You have prepared for Me; [6]In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have taken no pleasure. [7]"Then I said, 'Behold, I have come (In the scroll of the book it is written of Me) To do Your will, O God.'"
Hebrews 10:5-7 NASB

[1]God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, [2]in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. [3]And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, [4]having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they. [5]For to which of the angels did He ever say, "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You"? And again, "I will be a Father to Him And He shall be a Son to Me"?
[6]And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "And let all the angels of God worship Him." [7]And of the angels He says, "Who makes His angels winds, And His ministers a flame of fire." [8]But of the Son He says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom. [9]"You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness above Your companions." [10]And, "You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Your hands; [11]They will perish, but You remain; And they all will become old like a garment, [12]And like a mantle You will roll them up; Like a garment they will also be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end." [13]But to which of the angels has He ever said, "Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies A footstool for Your feet"?
[14]Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?
Hebrews 1:1-14 NASB

[9]But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone. [10]For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings. [11]For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, [12]saying, "I will proclaim Your name to My brethren, In the midst of the congregation I will sing Your praise." [13]And again, "I will put My trust in Him." And again, "Behold, I and the children whom God has given Me."
[14]Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, [15]and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives. [16]For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham. [17]Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. [18]For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.
Hebrews 2:9-18 NASB

[7]Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says, "Today if you hear His voice, [8]Do not harden your hearts as when they provoked Me, As in the day of trial in the wilderness, [9]Where your fathers tried Me by testing Me, And saw My works for forty years. [10]"Therefore I was angry with this generation, And said, 'They always go astray in their heart, And they did not know My ways'; [11]As I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest.'"
Hebrews 3:7-11 NASB

[31]"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. [32]Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Matthew 12:31-32 NASB

Is there any record any where in your Bible where anyone had one on one conversation with holy spirit ?
NONE !! .
Yahweh had one on one with Abram.
Jesus had with Saul. The martyr Stephen didn't even see it (holy spirit) in heaven. ;
(Abi your holy spirit go message that time when Stephen see the vision. )
God's people spoke Yahweh's message through holy spirit 2 Sam23:2. Mark 12:36.
For instance,"The newspaper reported", the Paper said " , that in no way implied that the Paper is a living Being giving a Report or making a speech.

Jesus Christ calls holy spirit " power from on high" his Father promised to Jesus disciples.
Luke 24:49


John 20:21-22
…21Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.


Trinitarians claim his power and knowledge is limited by human nature (Matt24:36 ) na where Jesus get power to breathe God into his disciples (John 20:22).?

champeeon:
Good day everyone,

If you know any book or anything that has helped you communicate better in your relationship or marriage, please help.me share.

The Bible is :
For example....
James 1:19.
"Understand this my dear brothers and sisters:
You must all be quick to listen,slow to speak and slow to get angry"

Compare Colossians 4:6. 1Peter3:7-10.Matt7:12.

"The Secret of Family Happiness"
(You can access it online).


"The 5 Love Languages" by Gary Chapman.

The Lessons learnt and applied from these books plus the couple's sincere prayers for marital stability, Jehovah will grant you success.
1 king 3:5. Matt 7:7,8. Ecclesiastics 4:9-12. Proverbs 3:5-6.


Shalom.

man49men:
If you want to know if your church belong to cult organization or an anti-Christ church then read this to find out and avoid them before you are trap, hypnotize and eternally deluded forever. So many people were trap by cult group before they realize it becomes too late. Cults are of different categories, we have sociological cult and theological cult. Some churches are sociological cult, their conduct and ways of life look like a cult but their doctrine look like Pentecostals churches. While the other have a theology and belief that made them cultist but their outward appearance and social life look Pentecostals. None this group should confuse you there are birds of the same feathers. If you see the following sign run away.



Denial of Jesus deity

Many religion especially cult group present Jesus as angel Michael or some prophets. They don’t believe is the only son of God and our savior. They doubt the theology of Jesus been God in human flesh. In doing this they are doubting God’s testimonies about is son.

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matt 3:17 KJV



10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:10-14 NIV



Denial of the God head (trinity)

Many cult group deny the trinity without fear and second thought. We plead with them to consider many scriptures that prove the God head, they blindly refuse, claiming that God only manifest himself in three office and not three person as one in agreement. The word let us make man in genesis cannot be for one individual, or God talking to himself or angels. No, God is referring to his son and the Holy Ghost. The three Person are co-equal, co-eternal and co-existence.

26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” Gen 1:26 NIV Gen 1:26


7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 John 5:7-8 NKJV






Duplicated and monopolize pattern of preaching

All cults have a photocopy or written document handed over to them which as manual for their belief and pattern of outreach. For Jehovah witness it is called awake or watch tower bible society. And for a cult called Jesus disciple fellowship, they had a customize bible, pen and a white writing board, with description of flesh and soul struggle as pattern of preaching. Their manual is above the bible whether it contradict or not manual must be used in all circumstances. Manual is use instead of bible.



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LIAR...

Your deity is in heaven serving his God and Father just as he served his God and Father on earth.

Questions for you.....
1)
Please explain Revelation 3:5,11,12 and John 20:17. John 17:3, Who spoke those words?

2)
John 17:3, who is the only true God?


Who wrote Revelation 3:5,11,12 , John20:17 and John 17:3 in your Bible ?.

Further PROOF Man49men is LIAR busted.

Man49men, Read it up and begin to purge out your delusion...

SOURCE: bible-researcher.com
Bible Research > Textual Criticism > Johannine Comma
The Johannine Comma
(1 John 5:7-
The so-called Johannine Comma (also called the Comma Johanneum) is a sequence of extra words which appear in 1 John 5:7-8 in some early printed editions of the Greek New Testament. In these editions the verses appear thus (we put backets around the extra words):

ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες [ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ Πατήρ, ὁ Λόγος, καὶ τὸ Ἅγιον Πνεῦμα· καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἔν εἰσι. 8 καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ] τὸ πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα, καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσιν.

The King James Version, which was based upon these editions, gives the following translation:

For there are three that bear record [in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth], the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

These extra words are generally absent from the Greek manuscripts. In fact, they only appear in the text of four late medieval manuscripts. They seem to have originated as a marginal note added to certain Latin manuscripts during the middle ages, which was eventually incorporated into the text of most of the later Vulgate manuscripts. In the Clementine edition of the Vulgate the verses were printed thus:

Quoniam tres sunt, qui testimonium dant [in caelo: Pater, Verbum, et Spiritus Sanctus: et hi tres unum sunt. 8 Et tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in terra:] spiritus, et aqua, et sanguis: et hi tres unum sunt.

From the Vulgate, then, it seems that the Comma was translated into Greek and inserted into some printed editions of the Greek text, and in a handful of late Greek manuscripts. All scholars consider it to be spurious, and it is not included in modern critical editions of the Greek text, or in the English versions based upon them. For example, the English Standard Version reads:

For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

We give below the comments of Dr. Bruce M. Metzger on 1 John 5:7-8, from his book, A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, 2nd ed. (Stuttgart, 1993).

After μαρτυροῦντες the Textus Receptus adds the following: ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ Πατήρ, ὁ Λόγος, καὶ τὸ Ἅγιον Πνεῦμα· καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἔν εἰσι. 8 καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ. That these words are spurious and have no right to stand in the New Testament is certain in the light of the following considerations.

(A) External Evidence.
(1) The passage is absent from every known Greek manuscript except eight, and these contain the passage in what appears to be a translation from a late recension of the Latin Vulgate. Four of the eight manuscripts contain the passage as a variant reading written in the margin as a later addition to the manuscript. The eight manuscripts are as follows:

61: codex Montfortianus, dating from the early sixteenth century.
88: a variant reading in a sixteenth century hand, added to the fourteenth-century codex Regius of Naples.
221: a variant reading added to a tenth-century manuscript in the Bodleian Library at Oxford.
429: a variant reading added to a sixteenth-century manuscript at Wolfenbüttel.
629: a fourteenth or fifteenth century manuscript in the Vatican.
636: a variant reading added to a sixteenth-century manuscript at Naples.
918: a sixteenth-century manuscript at the Escorial, Spain.
2318: an eighteenth-century manuscript, influenced by the Clementine Vulgate, at Bucharest, Rumania.
(2) The passage is quoted by none of the Greek Fathers, who, had they known it, would most certainly have employed it in the Trinitarian controversies (Sabellian and Arian). Its first appearance in Greek is in a Greek version of the (Latin) Acts of the Lateran Council in 1215.

(3) The passage is absent from the manuscripts of all ancient versions (Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopic, Arabic, Slavonic), except the Latin; and it is not found (a) in the Old Latin in its early form (Tertullian Cyprian Augustine), or in the Vulgate (b) as issued by Jerome (codex Fuldensis [copied a.d. 541-46] and codex Amiatinus [copied before a.d. 716]) or (c) as revised by Alcuin (first hand of codex Vallicellianus [ninth century]).

The earliest instance of the passage being quoted as a part of the actual text of the Epistle is in a fourth century Latin treatise entitled Liber Apologeticus (chap. 4), attributed either to the Spanish heretic Priscillian (died about 385) or to his follower Bishop Instantius. Apparently the gloss arose when the original passage was understood to symbolize the Trinity (through the mention of three witnesses: the Spirit, the water, and the blood), an interpretation that may have been written first as a marginal note that afterwards found its way into the text. In the fifth century the gloss was quoted by Latin Fathers in North Africa and Italy as part of the text of the Epistle, and from the sixth century onwards it is found more and more frequently in manuscripts of the Old Latin and of the Vulgate. In these various witnesses the wording of the passage differs in several particulars. (For examples of other intrusions into the Latin text of 1 John, see 2.17; 4.3; 5.6, and 20.)

(B) Internal Probabilities.
(1) As regards transcriptional probability, if the passage were original, no good reason can be found to account for its omission, either accidentally or intentionally, by copyists of hundreds of Greek manuscripts, and by translators of ancient versions.

(2) As regards intrinsic probability, the passage makes an awkward break in the sense.

For the story of how the spurious words came to be included in the Textus Receptus, see any critical commentary on 1 John, or Metzger, The Text of the New Testament, pp. 101 f.; cf. also Ezra Abbot, "I. John v. 7 and Luther's German Bible," in The Authorship of the Fourth Gospel and Other Critical Essays (Boston, 1888), pp. 458-463.



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man49men:
If you want to know if your church belong to cult organization or an anti-Christ church then read this to find out and avoid them before you are trap, hypnotize and eternally deluded forever. So many people were trap by cult group before they realize it becomes too late. Cults are of different categories, we have sociological cult and theological cult. Some churches are sociological cult, their conduct and ways of life look like a cult but their doctrine look like Pentecostals churches. While the other have a theology and belief that made them cultist but their outward appearance and social life look Pentecostals. None this group should confuse you there are birds of the same feathers. If you see the following sign run away.



Denial of Jesus deity

Many religion especially cult group present Jesus as angel Michael or some prophets. They don’t believe is the only son of God and our savior. They doubt the theology of Jesus been God in human flesh. In doing this they are doubting God’s testimonies about is son.

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matt 3:17 KJV



10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:10-14 NIV



Denial of the God head (trinity)

Many cult group deny the trinity without fear and second thought. We plead with them to consider many scriptures that prove the God head, they blindly refuse, claiming that God only manifest himself in three office and not three person as one in agreement. The word let us make man in genesis cannot be for one individual, or God talking to himself or angels. No, God is referring to his son and the Holy Ghost. The three Person are co-equal, co-eternal and co-existence.

26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” Gen 1:26 NIV Gen 1:26


7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 John 5:7-8 NKJV


Ignoring and refusing baptism

Most cult organization refuse to be baptize they said that baptism is no longer in important in their dictionary. In doing this, they became authority to add and subtract from the word of God. Jesus ask us to keep all his commandment except the ceremonial ones that are not binding in our dispensation .eg lamb sacrifice, circumcision etc. 1 John 5:7-8

20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matt 28:20 NIV



Self-righteous and self-discipline

Cult group are very good in self –discipline, they deny themselves of food and wordily pleasure to prove a point. They have a kind of “holier than thou” attitude. But if you offend them they will retaliate even insult or fight you using one scripture to support themselves. Because of hypocrisy in them, they usually live in isolation. They also live as a brotherhood.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.



28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Matt 23:27-28 KJV



Legalism

Religious cult claim to keep the law of Jesus and Moses at the same time. They also make laws that guide them outside the bible commandment and failure to keep their own law will result to excommunication. Like cult group called,”Jesus disciple fellowship” made law that throve all ladies and woman whose dowry has not been paid to move out of the fellowship. But the bible did not say we should do so, this is man-made law. One of them also told me that they don’t eat in any burial that the decease is not an old man. However, they also believe in their works of evangelism. The more you evangelize, the more you make way to heaven.

5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5-6 NKJV



Duplicated and monopolize pattern of preaching

All cults have a photocopy or written document handed over to them which as manual for their belief and pattern of outreach. For Jehovah witness it is called awake or watch tower bible society. And for a cult called Jesus disciple fellowship, they had a customize bible, pen and a white writing board, with description of flesh and soul struggle as pattern of preaching. Their manual is above the bible whether it contradict or not manual must be used in all circumstances. Manual is use instead of bible.



Only group chosen

However, majority of cult group believe that they have been selected and ordain to do what they are doing. Their denomination is the best and appointed for everyone to belong as God’s kingdom. All other denomination are anti-Christ. Jehovah witness, end time gospel terbanacle church and Jesus disciple fellowship, believe in this doctrine.

Leader made as demi gods or sole authority

The leader of cult group sees themselves as final authority and interpreter of the bible even when it goes contrary to the bible commandment. They hide their faces and demanded strict procedure before seen their faces or visiting them. Members are always afraid to ask question they see him as a demi God. Questioning him is like questioning God. They have the right to their members to remove what they don’t like from the bible and add what want to the bible. Manual is use instead of bible

6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Prov 30:6 KJV



Belief in extra biblical experience and book.

Generally all cults believe in others secret book that are not recommended for believers because of their quest for unknown knowledge and power. Book like apocryphal, tobith and Maccabee are recommended by cult group to be read. When they narrate their testimony and vision you will see a lot of things contradicting the bible. They all believe it as God given vision. Please avoided them before you get confuse and believe them. Their experience keep bible away from you and look at them as a replacement to your bible. Prov 30:6

19 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. Acts 19:19 KJV

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John 20:17,21,30-31 KJV

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.


30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

King James Version (KJV)

Triune pagan deity devotee,
You know NOTHING about the only true God and his son,Jesus Christ. John 17:3. John 14:1.

Your delusion is very delicious..

oneolajire:
The challenge jw guys have s that they have been cajoled to use their natural mindset to interpret spiritual things. I have shown you what Jesus said. You have the right to believe or reject it. Noah told the people of his time and they queried him as well. I advice you to pray to God to open your eyes to see the damnation of everlasting fire.

Remember, Jesus is not a comedian, his speeches and parables are extremely significant.
Repent, and be converted before it is too late.

Matt25:41 Jesus Christ NEVER said what you claimed..

Answer these questions jare... Na you get "spiritual mindset to interpret spiritual things"
(Whatever that means....)


My Questions:
Can you show us from your Bible where God punished Adam and Eve, (the first sinners punished by God) by everlasting, perpetual torture ?

Can you show us from your Bible where God sentenced Ananias& Sapphira to everlasting torture?


Where did Jesus Christ tell you that evil people are being tortured perpetually ?

oneolajire:
Why are Jehovah Witnesses afraid of hell/lake of fire?



But the question is, did God allow Sodom and Gomorah to be destroyed by fire? Did God destroy the world during the days of Noah? If yes, God can and will make sinners perish in hell/lake of fire

Matt 25 vs 41 Jesus talks about those whom hell/everlasting fire was originally designed for. Rev 20 vs 15 tells us some humans too will go to lake of fire.

I challenge you to provide proof from your Bible that hell is lake of fire , can you?

Did God sentence the people of Sodom and Gomorrah to everlasting torture according to your teaching/doctrines?

Where in your Bible did God sentence the evil people of Noah's time to everlasting torture as punishment ?

I challenge you to provide proof..

oneolajire:
see as he is asking as if I wrote the bible. Guy, the bible is written in English language for you and me to read. Deliver yourself from doctrines of men and embrace the truth

Hello People,una dey see am korokoro.....

Oneolajire can not answer the Bible based questions presented to him.
The man can not defend the JUNK he calls hellfire.

Yet oneolajire wants all of una to swallow the RUBBISH wey he post to open this thread.

Incrizz , come and see as una dey deceive una selves..