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Daejoyoung:
You asked.....lf God is a Spirit, how come the Holy Spirit is sent by the father?

Well, God is a Spirit and yet the Holyspirit is called the Spirit of God and he even searches the mind of God for the deep things of God. So this means the Holy Spirit is not seperate from God only that the Holy spirit is sent from God to do the will of God like in your analogy of Body, Soul, and Spirit, but then they do not become seperate persons but one person, so that the Holy spirit is an outflow from God, not seperate from God.

You asked about.....Physical, Personal, and Spiritual identity

Well l don't know, but isn't it still one Person altogether? My real confusion is are these identities seperate persons or one person, that is the real question here.

Angel Gabriel and Angel Michael are two seperate persons for instance and so they are not one or are they? On the contrary your soul and your body are not seperate persons.

Angel Gabriel and Michael may be United in purpose but they are still seperate persons, and if l call Angel Michael the only true Angel( as in john 17v3) this automatically excludes Angel Gabriel, giving a quality to Angel Michael that Angel Gabriel cannot have.

Finally you accused me of getting my theology from a book like proverbs, yet you use Revelation to give an example about corpses wearing robes? We all know many things in Revelation are not literal.

I am enjoying this discussion actually, because we are here to learn.

Fine points you made here.
Solid, interesting.
Just watch how our Edionmwan & him comrade go write incoherent jargons & twist the scriptures for their safe landing....
Just observe wetin I tell you so

Janosky:
Genesis 2:7, says your philosophy is NOT true.
Pagan philosophy masquerading as christianity.
Abeg, park well jare.
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Roman 8:3, who did God Yahweh send to earth in the likeness of men? His son in heaven.
Your superimposition of "the Word" into Genesis Na wayo .. . The Word was facing towards the God. Jesus is NEVER ton theon ANYWHERE in the New Testament SCRIPTURES.
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Is the God of Genesis 1:1-31 , He or triune ?
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John 1:1-3. & Colossians 1:13-18 What's the lexicon of Greek "Dia" ?
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We can't leave out Colossians 1:13-18,that's where your quote should start from.
If your claims were true, Colossians 1:13-18 can a son create his own Father?

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Colossians 1:19, who made all the events of verses13-18 possible ?

How come that after his ascension ,God's son is still in the image of God,just like man?
2 Cor4:4. Genesis 1:27

The answers you seek are in your unbiased treatment of my questions.

shadeyinka:
Mr man
Your propensity for deception is only exceeded by your dubiousness.

According to your doctrine:
God created Jesus
And Jesus created ALL OTHER things.

If Jesus created all other things,
1. Who created the heavens and the earth?
2. Who spoke the words, "Let there be..."?

Have you disowned the teachings of your organisation?
I know that you don't mind twisting even your doctrines in other to make your points

You have to LIE like kilode & resort to diversionary tactic because your Trinity Fraud can't withstand scriptural scrutiny.

Is the God of Genesis 1:1-31 ,He or triune?
Answer the questions, no dull yourself.

Come & lie that JWs wrote Genesis 1:1-31... Lols

John 1:1-3. & Colossians 1:13-18 What's the lexicon of Greek "Dia" ?
Greek "Dia" = THROUGH (him)/By means of (him). Proof, the Word ,God's son is not the One true God he calls "my Father, my God in heaven"
Primary school pupils can tell the difference between the son & his God , wey edionmwan dey argue blindly say na the same person.
Them say the Word their Deity PROCEEDS FROM the Father and is self existent", what a SCAM !

The son in heaven lives in God's image, just as man and angels why?
The Father created ALL through his son working for his Father.
Hebrew 1:1-2 is very lucid enough.

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But our Edionmwan no send the truth.

shadeyinka:
At least two identities that represent me.
1. Me is by Body: you can throw a stone at me!
2. Me is my Soul: you can Verbal and emotionally abuse me!
And I am still one me.

If you can't understand that, your case is beyond redemption.

Please fault this quote:

Gen 1:1-5:
"In the beginning the Word created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters. And the Word said, Let there be light: and there was light. And the Word saw the light, that it was good: and the Word divided the light from the darkness. And the Word called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

Viz:
Col 1:15-18:
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."

and

John 1:1-3:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Genesis 2:7, says your philosophy is NOT true.
Pagan philosophy masquerading as christianity.
Abeg, park well jare.
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Roman 8:3, who did God Yahweh send to earth in the likeness of men? His son in heaven.
Your superimposition of "the Word" into Genesis Na wayo .. . The Word was facing towards the God. Jesus is NEVER ton theon ANYWHERE in the New Testament SCRIPTURES.
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Is the God of Genesis 1:1-31 , He or triune ?
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John 1:1-3. & Colossians 1:13-18 What's the lexicon of Greek "Dia" ?
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We can't leave out Colossians 1:13-18,that's where your quote should start from.
If your claims were true, Colossians 1:13-18 can a son create his own Father?

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Colossians 1:19, who made all the events of verses13-18 possible ?

How come that after his ascension ,God's son is still in the image of God,just like man?
2 Cor4:4. Genesis 1:27

The answers you seek are in your unbiased treatment of my questions.

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Ihedinobi3:
Hello.

Here is Matthew 24:36:

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 24:36 (KJV)

No mention of the Holy Spirit there. Mark 13:32 does include the Son, but still no mention of the Holy Spirit there.

As for why the Son was included,

[5]Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, [6]who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, [7]but [b]emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. [8]Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Philippians 2:5-8 NASB

In order to die for our sins, the Lord "emptied Himself" of His Deity in order to become a Man and subject Himself to Death. If He didn't do that, He wouldn't have been able to die, because God cannot die.

That "emptying" is also why the Lord did not use His Omniscience while He was still on Earth during the First Advent. After He resurrected and ascended and was glorified, He certainly "knew" and knows when He will return because His Human Nature and His Deity have been perfectly united now. There is no more separation between them.

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Rev 3:5,12 & John 20:17 is your Deity in heaven NOW subject to his own God& Father as he was on earth?

Daejoyoung:
The explanation is not simple enough, if you say the trinity is made up of three separate persons but one being of God, then body, soul, and spirit is a flawed analogy, because body,soul,and spirit is still one being and one person, not three separate persons.

Thanks for the exposure of their sophistry masking the Trinity FRAUD.
God bless you

shadeyinka:
You are fond of ignoring question that will haunt you and bury Avery thing under volumes of words.

Look at the post you quoted and compare it to the response you've given. Is there any correlation?

Let me expatiate

Col 1:16:
"For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him , and for him :"

I understand that your organisation manufactured "all other things" to fit into your doctrine. Unfortunately, the Word was not even creating for the Father but for Himself.

Please go back and answer my questions!

The previous verses,14 says Jesus is the son,
Verse15, he is the first born of every creature.(KJV)
Let's stick to shadeyinka's claims for Verse 16, did the firstborn of every creature" create his own Father?
Mr shadeyinka, no dull yourself.
"All other things" (for clarity ,the son can not create his own Father.) It fits the context of verse16.
In Colossians 1:16, what is Greek dia ?
Greek dia = THROUGH, therefore "Through him " (the son)./by means of him. NWT is correct.
JWs consistently stick with Greek language lexicon of each word in every verse
. If you quarrel with the Greek/Hebrew lexicon,then you have no love for the truth of God's word.

shadeyinka:
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@Bolded is very correct as
The Father, The Word and The Holy Spirit is ONE God.

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Note:
1. In the Beginning, God Created the Heavens and the Earth
2. And God Said, "Let there Be....." "And there was..."
(*3)
3. Col 1:16:
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:"

So from 3, the question is who
1. Who created the heavens and the earth?
2. Who said "let there be.. and there was..."?

Don't forget that it is the WORD that became FLESH who as the Flesh is known as the SON or Jesus.

The JWs have created two gods (one big one and a small one).
Any description that creates multiple God is a heresy!

The Bible says "God is a Spirit": we call Him the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit isn't just something that comes from the Father: No!
He is God Himself.
Acts 5:3-4:
"But Peter said, Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not your own? and after it was sold, was it not in your own power? why have you conceived this thing in your heart? you have not lied to men, but to God."

The explanation is simple enough!

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John17:3, who is the 'ONLY TRUE God?

According to Yahweh @.Exodus 20:3 & Deu 5:7, how many persons is "Me" ?
Pls, console yourself with your "3 personalities " FRAUD.

(#2)
The "Me" of Exodus 20:3 & Deu 5:7, He (Yahweh) created man in HIS own image ", Genesis 1:27.

NOTHING about 3 personalities.
Don't come & LIE dey misquote Gen1:26.
Genesis 1:27, "He" is many persons?

(#3)
Colossians 1:16, Greek Dia= THROUGH= By means of. To
The same Greek Dia=THROUGH is at John 1:3.
Why shorten it to "by" ?
Crooked plot to twist "by means of" ( Greek Dia.)

#4) Your DUBIOUS claim:
The JWs have created two gods (one big one and a small one).
Any description that creates multiple God is a heresy!
"The Father, The Word and The Holy Spirit NOT ONE God but creates 3 multiple God " .
Shadeyinka denial changes nothing.

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Acts1:8, "You will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon you...."(Acts4:33), the holy spirit is that power received by Jesus followers.
OR:

Matt 3:16,17 You mean that at Jesus baptism, your one being God called himself "this is my son" & left heaven in form of a dove to come upon whom?

***Acts1:4. Luke 24:49. John 14:24,26 , according to shadeyinka's LIE, did God send him self to his followers?
Orishirishi division of labour.... Na wa ooooo!!!

shadeyinka:
And NWT omitted tov in their English translation.
I wonder where you God this!? The Father is NOT the Word and the Word is NOT the Holy Spirit BUT The Father is God The Word is God The Holy Spirit is God
And there lies the ONENESS: the Same God but three different Personalities.



As far as you are concerned, there are two gods. A major God and a minor God. Here what the Lord God said! Exo 20:3: "You shall have no other gods before me." Deu 5:7: "You shall have none other gods before me."

Shadeyinka 3 Gods=
The Father is God The Word is God The Holy Spirit is God Exodus 20:3 & Deu 5:7, in your language "Me" is how many persons? If your child ask you that question, you go tell am say na "3 personalities". I no blame you. Na so your sense reach.

shadeyinka:
If you say the argument destroyed the trinity, fine but the same argument created two separate gods
1. God and
2. Sub-God (a god)

Deu 5:7:
"You shall have no other gods besides Me."

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divine
/dɪˈvʌɪn/
adjective
1. of or like God or a god.
"heroes with divine powers"
synonyms: godly, godlike,"
** Jesus is a god, a divine being.
*You dubiously twist & label 'a god' ( or divine) as "subGod" in a bid to obscure the truth.

The son of the Lion is a lion.(different from the Father Lion).

The son of tov theon (the God Almighty) is a god (theos) different from tov theon (the God Almighty ). That is the Greek language of John1:1.
Trinity FRAUD deviates from the Greek language of John 1:1.


You done use Deu 5:7 scatter your Trinity FRAUD yakata...
In Deu 5:7, "Me" (Yahweh the Most High God) is how many persons?

In your own language ,"Me" is how many persons?

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TruthinAction:
God expresses himself in three personalities -

hupernikao:
Hence John 1:1 usage of Theon and Theos is not a change of personalities. It is not referring to two personalities but one. .

If hupernikao includes 'holy ghost', still no way. His triune God can't " expresse himself in three personalities..."
Una CONFUSION tie Gele & wrapper.

TruthinAction:
It is not my claim. It is what the Scripture teaches unless you want to rewrite the Bible.

God expresses himself in three personalities - The father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. These three are one. The Father is the Head of Jesus but they have the same nature and essence.

The father takes decision, Jesus executes it and the Holy Spirit supplies the power. This is the mystery of trinity.

That I submit to my earthly father does not make me a lesser human being.

In the same sense, that Jesus submits to his father does not make him a lesser God. The fullness of God dwells in Jesus. He is the radiance of his glory and beauty. No wonder Jesus said, he who has seen me has seen the father.

Rev 3:12, Is Jesus Christ in heaven equal to his God?

Can you give just ONE example in your Bible where the Father and God of Jesus received/obeyed the command of Jesus his son?

hupernikao:
EXPLANATION OF JOHN 1:1 (Theon and Theos)
Kindly read carefully.

Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος (NLT)
En archē ēn ho Logos kai ho Logos ēn pros ton Theon kai Theos ēn ho Logos (KJV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (KJV)

THEON
The word Theon occurred in the New Testament Scriptures 148 times. It simply means A deity, especially the supreme Divinity. Observe the following text usage of Theon

Matthew 4:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God (Theon)

Matthew 5:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God (Theon)

John 1:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 No man hath seen God (Theon) at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 14:1 King James Version (KJV)
14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God (Theon), believe also in me.

Acts 16:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God (Theon): and the prisoners heard them.

Hebrews 6:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God (Theon) to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

The word Theon is a Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular.

THEOS
The word Theos occurred in the New Testament Scriptures 311 times. It is also simply translated as A deity, especially the supreme Divinity same as Theon.
Observe the following text usage of Theos



Ephesians 4:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 One God (Theos) and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Observe that in the verses above God (almighty) was rendered as Theos and not Theon. It is also good to know that in the 311 times usage, Theos was referred to God almighty over 250 times without speaking about Jesus. For example in John 3:16

16 For God (Theos) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

God here is the Father, Almighty, yet Theos was used. That means the Greek did not used Theon as a reserved name for God almighty but used Theos likewise. As seen above, Theos (311 times) was used as twice as Theon (148 times) to refer to God in the scriptures.
The word Theos is a Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular

Now to John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (Theon), and the Word was God (Theos). (KJV)
From above explanation it should be clear to you that Theos and Theon means God and not a variant of God. So, the question will be why was Theon and Theos used here. Let us do a little of word construction study.


Hence John 1:1 usage of Theon and Theos is not a change of personalities. It is not referring to two personalities but one. The usage of two different word construction is due to the Greek sentence construction in using Nominative (Noun) in subject, in this case Theos (God (Theos) was the word) and Accusative Noun as receiver. In this case Theon (The Word was God (Theon)). [/color]

You know Greek so much you have to TWIST the truth. SMH ....
Greek John1:1 says ton Theon (The God, Father of Jesus) but the Word (Logos) was theos.

In your quote here:
"b]Now to John 1:1[/b]
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (Theon), and the Word was God (Theos). (KJV)"


Greek John1:1B - kai ho Logos ēn pros ton Theon
English: " the Word was facing towards the God".
PROOF: Ton Theon (the God,Almighty) and the Logos (theos) are two different beings.
The Logos is not the Father.

* SEE ANOTHER PROOF:
John 14:1 King James Version (KJV)
14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God (Theon), believe also in me."
Jesus called the God Almighty " ton theon" in John 14:1.


The ENTIRE New Testament Greek, there is NO place where Jesus was ever addressed as ton theon (The God, Almighty). NONE !!
John 20:17,Jesus Father & his God is EXCLUSIVELY ton Theon .

Greek 3588 ton MUST precede theon.
Therefore, ton theon (the God).
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In the screenshot below,Trinitarians DUBIOUSLY OMITTED (ton = the ) ,to deceive una...

Ihedinobi3:
Hello.

You left an earlier conversation where you failed to demonstrate the truth of your position to try to hound me elsewhere and here on this forum. I'm not such a fool as to even pay attention to you.

As for the interlinear, it is correct, as far as I can see. See attached screenshot.

shadeyinka2:
FYI: the interlinear was correct. If you have another variation, paste the screenshot!

@ Ihedinobi3, where & when did I have "an earlier conversation" with you or "hound" you?
Please give proof.

@ Ihedinobi3,
@ Shadeyinka2,

In your screenshots of the NT interlinear Greek 3588, who is TÓV (ton) theon?

If both your screenshots, it's really correct, where is the Greek 3588 TÓV (ton) word for word omitted there?

Why the omission of word for word Greek 3588 TÓV (ton) in your Greek interlinear screenshots ?

achorladey:
check your explanation up there with the BELOW.......


whatever you get from Mr Russell is different from what you get from Mr Rutherford and equally different from what you get from Knorr and far far different from what you are currently obtaining from the GB.

REALITY says they were not all in SAME mind and THOUGHT.

You KNOW why?...............

THE LIGHT GET BRIGHTER SAGA.

Whatever achorladey thought in 1990 is it the same thought he has today?
What the group of Jesus followers knew & thought when he called them forth,is it the same with what they knew & thought when his ascension took place?

Shebi Jesus followers had no experience of "THE LIGHT GET BRIGHTER SAGA "?
Luke 24:21-45. John 16:16-18.

Ihedinobi3:
Hello.

It would be a gross mistake, even a misrepresentation to suggest that I disagree with Him or agree with you in any way. You are dead wrong in your position, and wherever you are right, it is either accidental or you are merely trying to use truth to send your lie farther.

Ihedinobi3:
Hello shadeyinka.

It's been a little bit.

Please excuse my coming in here. As you know, I don't share the Watchtower point of view, but it is good to be in the Truth even when those who oppose it agree with it in some way.

The Greek in John 1:1 actually reads more like this: "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and enjoyed reciprocity with Him." That is, John did not exactly say that the Word was God. The reason for this was that John was trying to show that the Lord Jesus was God too, but that He was not the Father. It could be misunderstood if he said, "the Word was God" when he had just used "God" to identify the Father. As you probably know, the One most frequently identified as God in the Bible is the Father. This is because His Self-selected Role in the Plan of the Trinity for Creation was to be the representation of God to Creation. That is, He is the One in the Trinity with Whom we most clearly have to deal as God.


So, while it is not at all wrong to translate John 1:1 to read "and the Word was God," since that is actually what John meant, it is also not wrong to translate it in any way that says that the Word was the same in nature as the Father.

Therefore, "facing toward," while quite ridiculous as a translation, does hold in it a kernel of truth in that it points to the literal translation of John 1:1, namely, that the Word enjoyed reciprocity with the Father from the beginning, because He was God too.

[quote author=Ihedinobi3 post]"The Greek in John 1:1 actually reads more like this: [i]"in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and enjoyed reciprocity with Him."
(Reciprocity maggi & tomato sauce)

That is, John did not exactly say that the Word was God.

So, while it is not at all wrong to translate John 1:1 to read "and the Word was God," since that is actually what John meant"
( Wetin Musa no go see for gate?
Verbal somersault dey run belle...)


it is also not wrong to translate it in any way that says that the Word was the same in nature as the Father.


******
The Internet NEVER forgets....
Take note.
Shalom.

shadeyinka2:
Shadeyinka was banned for no just cause!

See the highlights in RED

2. Are you aware that the Greek does not Use a determiner "a" before a noun?
How did you insert the determiner "a" before "god"?

If you can be sincere except you accept that the NWT is wrong with their translation: be my guest.
*(2B)
FYI: the interlinear was correct. If you have another variation, paste the screenshot!

The NWT is not wrong.
The determiner ("a" is for emphasis & clarity.
In Greek John1:1, "The Word is NOT tov theon (the God) =the son (the Word) is not the Father (the God).
Greek John1:1 Theon(the God)= the Father.
the Word= theos.

Bible > Strong's > Greek > 2316
◄ 2316. theos
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Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun,
Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Definition: God, a god
Usage: (a) God, (b) a god "
*John10:34-36. 2Cor 4:4.
*a god= divine being, divine nature.

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Also, How did your own bible consistently insert the determiner ( "a" in the New Testament?


*a) Acts 12:22. Acts 28:6 " a god".
Compare Acts 12:22. Acts 28:6 (Aramaic Bible).

b) John 1:6. "a man"
c) John 8:44 " a murderer"
*d) John 9:17. John4:19 "a prophet"
e) John 12:26 . John10:1 "a thief"
f) John18:37. 19:21. "a king"
etc....

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In your Interlinear screenshot, where is the word for word of Greek 3588 ( tov) ?
What a deliberate, dubious plot to DISTORT the meaning of Greek John1:1 !!
To deceive the English reader & OBSCURE the difference of tov Theon ( the God ) & theos (the Word)
John1:1 (Kingdom interlinear).
John
1:1
1 ᾿Εν
In
ἀρχῇ
beginning
ἦν
was
ὁ
the
λόγος,
Word,
καὶ
and
ὁ
the
λόγος
Word
ἦν
was
πρὸς
toward
τὸν
the
θεόν,
God,
καὶ
and
θεὸς
god
ἦν
was
ὁ
the
λόγος.
Word

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shadeyinka2:
Shadeyinka was banned for no just cause!

See the highlights in RED
1. Can you please explain why the NWT used the translation WITH rather than TOWARDS in the scripture in question?
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shadeyinka2:
The word causing the problem for janosky was the word "with" πρὸς (pros) which was translated properly as "with".
The word "with" (pros/πρὸς) was as far a janosky was concerned should have been rendered as "facing towards" which even though is one of the shades of meanings of πρὸς, but meaningless in context. The NWT even correctly rendered it as WITH rather than FACING TOWARDS.

Therefore, every translator properly translate it as "with"

The Strongs Bible Concordance translate it to be

Strong's Concordance
[i]pros:

Original Word: πρός
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: pros
Phonetic Spelling: (pros)

Definition: advantageous for, at (denotes local proximity), toward (denotes motion toward a place)
Usage: to, towards, with.

So you can see why all translators use WITH including the watchtower organisation.

Greek word "with" πρὸς (pros) .
Greek With= Towards.
In other words, "The word was with tov theon (the God)".
OR
"The word was facing towards tov theon (the God".
Proof: the Word & the God are 2 different beings. The Father is not the son.
Shadeyinka claims 1: "The Word is God himself!", FALSE.

Claims 2 :" facing towards" which even though is one of the shades of meanings of πρὸς, but meaningless in context.". BIG LIE.
Shadeyinka is LYING.

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Eviana:
I express my beliefs, pray and believe that someone gets interested enough to search the scriptures with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.


With all due respect sir, my "conviction" about the Godhead, Triune God or Heavenly trio (the words I use interchangeably) will remain the same.
Thank you for the mention.

Sir/Ma, with all due respect, when you thoroughly " search the scriptures with the guidance of the Holy Spirit", you will discover that the term "Godhead" is a FRAUD.
"Godhead" does not exist in ancient Greek language of the holy Scriptures.
Sorry to bust your bubbles...
How many heads does Triune God have?

Ihedinobi3:
Hello shadeyinka.

It's been a little bit.

Please excuse my coming in here. As you know, I don't share the Watchtower point of view, but it is good to be in the Truth even when those who oppose it agree with it in some way.
(1A)
The Greek in John 1:1 actually reads more like this: "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and enjoyed reciprocity with Him." That is, John did not exactly say that the Word was God. The reason for this was that John was trying to show that the Lord Jesus was God too, but that He was not the Father. It could be misunderstood if he said, "the Word was God" when he had just used "God" to identify the Father. As you probably know, the One most frequently identified as God in the Bible is the Father.

(1B)
So, while it is not at all wrong to translate John 1:1 to read "and the Word was God," since that is actually what John meant,

(*2)
It is also not wrong to translate it in any way that says that the Word was the same in nature as the Father.

Therefore, "facing toward," while quite ridiculous as a translation, does hold in it a kernel of truth in that it points to the literal translation of John 1:1,

(*3)
namely, that the Word enjoyed reciprocity with the Father from the beginning, because He was God too.

Mr Ihedinobi3 your (*1A) That is, John did not exactly say that the Word was God. "
CONTRADICTION of (1B)
So, while it is not at all wrong to translate John 1:1 to read "and the Word was God," since that is actually what John meant, "
You are struggling to hold tightly to the Trinity FRAUD .

(2).
Very Excellent.

(*3)
Where is the reciprocity in
(a) Matt 28:18
Then Jesus came
to them and said, “All authority in heaven
and on earth has been given to Me.


(b). John 5:26
The Father GRANTED LIFE to the Son

(c) Corinthians 15:27
For "God has put everything under His feet."
Now when it says that everything has been
put under Him, this clearly does not include
the One who put everything under Him.

( d) . Philippians 2:9
Therefore God exalted Him to the highest
place and gave Him the name above all
names,

e). Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days He has spoken to us
by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all
things, and through whom He made the
universe."

(*f) Psalm 110:1 (ASV)
Jehovah said to my lord :"Sit at my right hand, "
Yahweh gave his son ,Jesus whatever he ( Jesus) have,
What did Jesus Christ give his God & Father?

shadeyinka:
You are willing to distort even the rendering of your organisations translation so that you can replace "WITH" with "FACING TOWARDS"!??

Are you agreeing that your organisation made an error of translation because as far as I can see the difference is
1. The Word was God
And
2. The word was a god

NWT:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
2 This one was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
What has come into existence
4 by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light is shining in the darkness, but the darkness has not overpowered it.

Here is the interlinear for you to see again!

Find another argument!

*Greek Lexicon***
"
# WITH
πρὸς (pros)
Preposition
Strong's Greek 4314: To, towards, with. A
strengthened form of pro; a preposition of
direction; forward to, i.e. Toward."

Your fellow Trinitarian ,Ihedinobi3 have dealt with your FALSE CLAIMS.
@ John1 The Word is NOT "TOV THEON", every genuine Greek Scholar knows this.
Greek "theos"= a god.

Greek word for word ,NWT John1:1 is the koko. The korokoro Truth.



Your FAKE interlinear is not Greek word for word.....

Where is word for word of Greek "TOV" in your screenshot interlinear?

Please ,Read & digest the truth from this link
below & receive SENSE...
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/08/
biblical-facts-about-the-trinity-reno-
omokri/

MuttleyLaff:
Janosky,
1/ the word, your word(s) that comes forth out of your mouth are they lesser than you?
2/ Do they represent or not represent you. Is the word that comes out of your mouth any less potent compared with you not verbally saying anything, hmm?
3/ Do you utter the word for something to get done a few distance away, and get result, without you physically being present at the distant place?
4/ Your word, is it separate from the moniker Janosky, you?
5/ Janosky, what do you verbally express yourself with?
6/ Janosky, you talk and/or impart information in the form of what?

* MuttleyLaff, John1:1 'the Word' is NOT a mere verbal expression. Don't get it twisted.
Don't deceive yourself.

Please ,Read & digest the truth from this link below & receive SENSE...

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/08/biblical-facts-about-the-trinity-reno-omokri/

shadeyinka:
And the phrase:
I sat at the table by myself. I will not be at the party. I will be at home by myself tonight
The by indicate WITH another!?

]

Spurious analogy.
John1:3, Greek dia= THROUGH or by means of...
Your sophistry is faulty.
John1:1-2 , the word is with (facing towards) the God, faults your spurious claims.

*

shadeyinka:
In other words, figurative


As far as you are concerned, even after reading the Scripture presented you think the WORD means Speech?
For the Word is God Himself. SmH

"the word was with (Greek=facing towards) "ton theon (the God)"
The Word is a being separate being from the God.
This Fact is Explicit in John1:1-2.
Receive sense.

Ihedinobi3:
** (1)

Second, the Doctrine of the Trinity does not hold that the Father and the Son are two separate beings, rather it holds that they are two separate Persons

( *2)
Who are One in essence. As One God then, neither is greater or less than the other.

(*3).
the Doctrine of the Trinity teaches They are not the same Person. The Father is a separate Person from the Son, as I already said, and the Son is His Representative to us.

(*4)
This does not in any way mean that the Son is not God too. As you said, it only means that He is not the Father.

That is why I brought up the rest of the chapter. In verses 8-12, I can't begin to see how it is not clear that although the Son is not the Father, He is quite completely God just as the Father is too.

Edited.

( *1)
 https//:dictionary.cambridge.org
Meaning of being in English
 
*being*
noun [ C or U ]
UK  /ˈbiː.ɪŋ/ US  /ˈbiː.ɪŋ/
 
C2
"a person or thing that exists"
A Being =One Person.
God is a Spirit. John4:24. NOT Spirits.

'Ihedinobi3' is LYING. CONFIRMED

* (2).
John 14:28 & John20:17, Rev 3:5,12 Jesus PROVED Ihedinobi is LYING.

***(3).
Mr Ihedinobi , your son shares your essence.
Your son is your representative. Matt10:40
Are you & your son, one being?
Your LIES have found you out.

(4). John17:3,
Who is Jesus Christ calling "the one true God"?
Also in heaven (Rev3:5,12) who is Jesus Christ calling "my God", "my Father"?
In heaven ,(Psalms 110:1. Rom8:34. ,ASV) who is obeying the command 'sit at my right hand"?

TRINITY is a FRAUD. REJECT IT.
RECEIVE SENSE

Ihedinobi3:
I have been watching to see what would happen after our discussion. Either you would really rethink your position (as you claimed to be capable of doing at the beginning) or else you'd simply ignore your inability to answer my arguments and proceed in some way to continue trying to sell your lie.

As I said, "your profile suggests that you are a Jehovah's Witness, so you are almost certainly just looking for an argument to prove that your position that Jesus Christ is not God is true."

You'll fight over the Greek and find obscure translations that suit your purposes and basically ignore everything the Bible actually says about the matter, just to try to persuade yourself that Jesus Christ is not God.

I assure you that even your New World Translation fails to sell this lie. It changed John 1:1, but it would have to change the whole Bible itself in order to manage to obscure the Truth of the Lord's Deity. In my responses to you, you'll find that I didn't bother to offer you John 1:1. That was because I know how you people become when that verse is presented. It was also because the Bible is filled with proof of the Lord Jesus's Deity, so mutilating one verse will not prove that He is not God. You would need to do away with all of the Bible to be able to do so.

That is what I guess made you unable to actually finish this conversation you started. And now you are back to fight over John 1:1. I am not so naïve as to expect you to be ashamed of such behavior. Nonetheless, you have provided proof about what your real purpose for this thread was.

** Yet , you can't disprove John 1:1 koine Greek which refutes your false claims.
Revelation 3:5
Like them, the one who is victorious will be
dressed in white. And I will never blot out
his name from the book of life, but I will
confess his name before My Father and His
angels.
Rev 3:12
12 The one who is victorious I will make a
pillar in the temple of My God, and he will
never again leave it. Upon him I will write
the name of My God, and the name of the
city of My God (the new Jerusalem that
comes down out of heaven from My God),
and My new name. "
** Your "Everlasting Father" is the son of his
Father and his God in heaven.
** Your "Deity" in heaven says he is UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF HIS GOD & FATHER ..
Do you agree with your "Deity "?

Solohmony:
I can stop laughing at your response.
God called men gods did you know why
God gave man dominion and authority over the earth that means at creation men are the gods of earth but after the fall, man transferred it to Satan. Now Satan is the god of the earth. 2Cor 4:4

Solohmony:
Can't you see Everlasting Father.

.
.
Revelation 3:5
Like them, the one who is victorious will be
dressed in white. And I will never blot out
his name from the book of life, but I will
confess his name before My Father and His
angels.

Rev 3:12
12 The one who is victorious I will make a
pillar in the temple of My God, and he will
never again leave it. Upon him I will write
the name of My God, and the name of the
city of My God (the new Jerusalem that
comes down out of heaven from My God),
and My new name. "


** Your "Everlasting Father" is the son of his Father and his God in heaven.

Your "Everlasting Father" is UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF HIS GOD & FATHER..
Receive sense.

Solohmony:
Read Isaiah 9 :6

Psalm 82:1,6, what's the Hebrew meaning of EL'? Stop deceiving yourself

Anas09:
Let me explain something to you. people like the JW who do not subscribe to the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit always think physically (as in with their eyes) when they read the Word or reflect on it. They cannot see beyond what they see literary, hence portray God in their physical senses.
But, people who read and reflect on the Word of God Spiritually and think about God only on the basis of His essence think Spiritually. These class think of God base on His Essential attributes like omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, eternity, love, wisdom, mercy, grace, and so on.


It'll help you if you can explain why Jesus whom you consider to be another Essence from YHWH, took all the divine Attributes of YHWH, like Father, Almighty, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, infinite, eternal, Light, Life, Love, Wisdom, Mercy, Conqueror, Alpha, Omega, Beginning and the End, Lord, Savior, Redeemer, Just Judge, Judgement. King of kings, Lord of lords etc.

When you are able to unravel these, you'd then know who Jesus truly is, but until then, you'd remain physical, seeing with your eyes not with your mind.

"It'll help you if you can explain why Jesus whom you consider to be another Essence from YHWH, took all the divine Attributes of YHWH, like Father, Almighty, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, "

Anas09 " reflect on the Word of God Spiritually and thinks Spiritually,
* Matt 24:36, Did Jesus Christ tell you he's Almighty, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, "?

* John12:49,50, John 20:17, Rev 3:5,12 in heaven did Jesus Christ attribute Almightiness to himself?
Quantirinu to deceive yourself.
Wetin Musa no go see for gate?