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Organiccourses:
I understand your issue with rottennaija, nevertheless my brother tolerance is important and every individual has the right of choice. One of my main issues is, why don't you people accept other religions' tracts and you expect them to accept your own? Don't you think it's not morally ok? Why not accept their own and then study with them and point out the defective errors in their own (if any), make them see reason for your own message with logical aurguments? Will you agree with me that NO perfect religious group today, even your own doctrines keep changing

Bros, people are free to accept or reject JW tracts. Na their right. We don't force anyone.
Na wetin I go learn from a tract with a story of a miracle which even the person giving the tract has no proof of it's authenticity.
Their tract says "Accept Jesus as your lord and personal saviour and be saved"
Jesus Christ says it's HALF TRUTH...
(John14:1 compare John17:3).
Why will I accept that?
You can't explain the truth to anyone who prefers his Pastorpreneur more than Jesus words.


Jesus disciples believed & said the kingdom of God will appear IMMEDIATELY" Luke 19:11. 24:21.

Bros, this is 2019, has the kingdom of God appeared IMMEDIATELY?

**
John16:16-18, his disciples never understood what Christ taught them.. how many years did Jesus spend teaching them? Check am nau..

Luke 24:44,45 Jesus Christ opened their minds to comprehend the Scriptures more fully.
These men were not perfect but they were humble to learn and accept improvement.
Knowledge of God's word is progressive.

blueAgent:
John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any
thing made that was made.

Romans 15:6 , "that with one accord you
may with one voice glorify the God and
Father of our Lord Jesus Christ ."
2 Corinthians 1:3 , "Blessed be the God
and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ , the
Father of mercies and God of all comfort."

** Jesus says "I am ascending to your Father and my Father, your God and my God" John20:17.
Compare Rev3:5,12-14.

*** 1 Cor8:6
there is for us only one God, the FATHER
who is THE CREATOR OF ALL....

** How come you & your Lord share the same Father and the same God in heaven and earth ?
Receive sense.

ochibuogwu5:
This is what the 3-unique natures of God looks like for easier understanding.
Using a human being as an example
A man who is the head of His Family is called *Father*
The same man was born of a particular parent hence He is also *a Son*
The same man teaches in a school hence he is called *a teacher*.
These titles and responsibilities of *Father*, *Son* and *teacher* is performed by *One Person who is the same* but at different times and locations.
This is the same way *One God* has *3-titles and responsibilities(Father, Son and Holy Spirit)* but He can manifest 3-of them at the same time and the same location and at different times at the same location or at different times and different locations. This is what is called the *Trinity* or *Triune* nature of *One God* who is *Almighty*. He is One God, He is One Lord in whatever title/responsibility He chooses to use in manifesting Himself whether as Father, Son or Holy Spirit, whether in the heavens, earth or under-world at the same time or at different times. Great Grace Brethren!!!

Please Sir, Can you explain Hebrews 9:24 , Matt 24:36,& 1 Cor11:3?

Rev 3:5,12,21, why is your "God" sitting on his Father's throne in heaven?

blueAgent:
When will you stop exposing your ignorance?


First am the OP of this thread which means am totally against trinity doctrine.

My argument has always been that Jesus was born by God while you guys insist that he was created by God.

But fortunately for me been created by God does not mean he was not born by God because the Synonyms of create is to bare,born procreate e.t.c

Instead of you to accept the truth you are trying hard to prove me wrong which you can never achieve.

Deut 32:18
"You neglected the Rock who begot
you, And
forgot the God who gave you birth."

**Psalm 90:2**
"Before the mountains were born, before you
gave birth to the earth and the world, from
beginning to end, you are God."

# blueAgent >But fortunately for me been created by God does not mean he was not born by God because the Synonyms of create is to bare,born procreate e.t.c"
Educated ignoramus.. Only God CREATES.
Man and ALL other creatures procreate.

Receive sense.

blueAgent:
When will you stop exposing your ignorance?


First am the OP of this thread which means am totally against trinity doctrine.

My argument has always been that Jesus was born by God while you guys insist that he was created by God.

But fortunately for me been created by God does not mean he was not born by God because the Synonyms of create is to bare,born procreate e.t.c

Instead of you to accept the truth you are trying hard to prove me wrong which you can never achieve.

Deut 32:18
"You neglected the Rock who begot
you, And
forgot the God who gave you birth."



blueAgent >But fortunately for me been created by God does not mean he was not born by God because the Synonyms of create is to bare,born procreate e.t.c"
Educated ignoramus.. Only God CREATES.
Man and ALL other creatures procreate.

Receive sense.

true2god:
Since you are this ignorant let me ask you a practical question. If two muslim couples suddenly become JWs. After 5 years the husband became tired of the organization and decide to opt out but thr wife remained in the religion. As an elder in JW, what will be your advise to the wife? Let me test you and know your level of dishonesty.

**1 Cor 7:12-16.
12 To the others I say (I, myself, not the
Lord): if a Christian man has a wife who is
an unbeliever and she agrees to go on living
with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if
a Christian woman is married to a man who
is an unbeliever and he agrees to go on
living with her, she must not divorce him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is made
acceptable to God by being united to his
wife, and the unbelieving wife is made
acceptable to God by being united to her
Christian husband. If this were not so, their
children would be like pagan children; but
as it is, they are acceptable to God.
15 However, if the one who is not a believer
wishes to leave the Christian partner, let it
be so. In such cases the Christian partner,
whether husband or wife, is free to act. God
has called you to live in peace. 16 How can
you be sure, Christian wife, that you will not
save your husband? Or how can you be
sure, Christian husband, that you will not
save your wife?"

true2god:
I won't even forget how the watchtower has destroyed many home. If for instances a couple, who were never JWs, embrace the faith and after 5 years the husband and wife decide to leave the organization. The watchtower will ask the woman (if she is still a JW) to seek divorce and seek custody of the children so that the husband will not be a bad influence on the children. The husband and the wife were happy before joining but if the husband sees the dillusionment in the organization and decides to leave, he will be surely given a JW malicious name and the watchtower will advice the woman to seek a divorce. This is how evil your organization can be.

This is how evil you have can become with your LYING.
The 'home' in your brain that your delusion destroyed..
** 1Cor7:12-16 says you're a SHAMELESS LIAR.

true2god:
No doubt I visit 'Islam for Muslim' section all the time and I have to accept the Islamic creed for me to be able to comment, that does not make me a Muslim. I am a Christian...

We already know your brain is wired to the machine of hypocrisy and FALSEHOOD.

* , true2god confession, that's his admittance of the violation of Rule 8 of NL forum.
Moderator,please take note.
true2god profile confirm he is a Muslim.
https://www.nairaland.com/true2god

CC: OAMAJ

daddytime:
Na wa

Your papa na regional bank manager wey dem give target, and him willingly accept.

What's the fuss about, when he isn't doing this under any form of duress, bar a massive indoctrination which he willingly signed up to, and obviously propagating to his followers to make returns meet.

When you tire for the status quo, na to carry your papa siddon explain to am wetin you don understand for the whole gimmick and lay hands on him for deliverance from the spirit of slaving for a master without a commensurate pay.

Candid. Brutally frank post.

daddytime:
Na wa

Your papa na regional bank manager wey dem give target, and him willingly accept.

What's the fuss about, when he isn't doing this under any form of duress, bar a massive indoctrination which he willingly signed up to, and obviously propagating to his followers to make returns meet.

When you tire for the status quo, na to carry your papa siddon explain to am wetin you don understand for the whole gimmick and lay hands on him for deliverance from the spirit of slaving for a master without a commensurate pay.

Blunt and brutally frank.

"Independent Thinking" crew claiming to have "freedom" are actually in bondage and slavishly paying membership fees to business centre operators otherwise known as 'Pastorpreneurs'.
Abraham Daniels wants to expose the ugly secrets of the lucrative fleecing business now that his cut has been stopped by the Chief Pastorpreneur.

blueAgent:
Jesus was never happy with the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Rabbis because they replaced God's word with theirs, God's teachings with theirs and also they never accepted that Jesus was the literal Son of God.
,

** Wetin Musa no go see for gate ?

BlueAgent, what's the Thesaurus definition of "CREATE"?
* Why are you dishonest?
Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine
and it is Unbiblical.
by Janosky : 9:24pm On Nov 03
blueAgent :
That's while people dislike JW because
they can lie a lot.
according to your word you say JW
agree that God born Jesus as well as
Israel.
Deut 32:18
"You neglected the Rock who begot you, And
forgot the God who gave you birth.
1 John5:1.
Your case is beyond the scope of JWs or NL
to resolve.
blueAgent :
Clown.
It's obvious English is not even your
4th language you seem not to
understand what Synonyms.
I just exposed your fraud, that the word
create can still be translated or mean
to born, breed,bear,beget which means
JESUS CAN STILL BE A CREATED (BORN) BEING still be the literal son of God.
Which fraud ?
You wan deny Hebrew YALAD & QANAH ?
(Go back to threads 28/29.....)
In the words of blueAgent "Jesus can still be
a CREATED (born) BEING and still be the
literal son of God.
Omo, see confession ! '"CREATED BEING..."
Bros Blue, ekushe oooo !
I go buy 2 bottles of orijin for you.
Shey you dey like 'shacks'?

** IT IS OBVIOUS TO A NEUTRAL PERSON THAT MANY OF YOUR BELIEFS ARE SIMILAR TO JW BELIEFS ,( WITH EXCEPTION OF A FEW).
THE LABEL YOU TAG JWs ALSO REFER TO YOU.

true2god:
See above my response and your quote below and you will see how irrational your post is. Do you even read before responding? Do you even read your own post at all before sending? I think you lack a basic comprehension skill.

The post of a clown afraid of his own shadow while the spotlight beams on him...
You dey criticise Scholars who used solid evidence to debunk the Trinity ,yet you're a Muslim.

Confirmed hypocrite !
https://www.nairaland.com/true2god

Janosky:
Jcross, please go and find out the Hebrew word lexicon for 'Spirit' in Psalm 104:29 & Eccl12:7.
If you don't do it, you're lost.

Pls, do the needful, then you can have a clearer picture of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus... .

jcross19:
am asking you what's the meaning of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus why did Jesus talk about their existence even after their death on earth ?

Q2) Are you telling me that Jesus have lost His senses abi Jesus did know what he was saying when he said " and Lazarus was at the bosom of Abraham " which Lazarus is he talking about?

@3) Because Lazarus have died and returned to dust so which one is sitting at the bosom of Abraham?

* Food for your thoughts***

*Response to your Questions
(*Q1 and Q3)Pls. can you share with us from your Bible the Lazarus narrative of his blissful heavenly experience after his resurrection?

Q2) John3:13, is Jesus Christ a liar?

What is the name of the rich man?
** What's the reason why your Bible headlines it as "Parable of the rich man and Lazarus"? Pls think !!!!

lalasticlala:
A Nigerian Pastor has preached against sex that lasts more than 5 minutes. The preacher blasted men that last long in bed up to 30 minutes.

While preaching to his congregation, the pastor said:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9vDu6HQgb4

What do you think about this kind of preaching?

Mbanu. !!!!!!
No be the God of Abraham and Jesus Christ give am this message...... he can't back his assertion with any scripture.

eleojo23:
Pastors' obsession with sex nowadays is disturbing.

Anyway, that is his opinion and he is mostly ignorant if he is referring to the entire sexual encounter.

If he is a 5-minute man and his wife likes it, fine, but he should not imposed it on others. But I doubt his wife likes it (she may just be managing him).

The entire encounter lasting just 5 minutes is too short. It is a fact that many women cannot attain climax within such a short time. Some can take up to 20 minutes. (Google it)

Looking at the video, the women in his congregation were visibly upset because what he is proposing is the kind of sex that will only satisfy the man in most cases which is not right. The woman should be satisfied too else, she will begin to hate intercourse or be tempted to look elsewhere which will lead to problems in the marriage.

So congratulations pastor, you are about to break many homes!

* Gbam !!!!!
What a married couple does in the other room is not for another man, or gods of men, to legislate....
Las,las put your wife's needs & satisfaction first b4 you you begin your ascent to "Mount Kilimanjaro."
That's what real,caring husbands do.....
"Slam,bang. Thank you Ma'am" (you come in 1minutes, get up & off to sleep) is not good enough for your wife !

*

eleojo23:
Pastors' obsession with sex nowadays is disturbing.

Anyway, that is his opinion and he is mostly ignorant if he is referring to the entire sexual encounter.

If he is a 5-minute man and his wife likes it, fine, but he should not imposed it on others. But I doubt his wife likes it (she may just be managing him).

The entire encounter lasting just 5 minutes is too short. It is a fact that many women cannot attain climax within such a short time. Some can take up to 20 minutes. (Google it)

Looking at the video, the women in his congregation were visibly upset because what he is proposing is the kind of sex that will only satisfy the man in most cases which is not right. The woman should be satisfied too else, she will begin to hate intercourse or be tempted to look elsewhere which will lead to problems in the marriage.

So congratulations pastor, you are about to break many homes!

What a married couple does in the other room is not for another man to legislate....
Las,las put your wife's need & satisfaction first b4 you you begin your ascent to mount "Kilimanjaro."
That's what real,caring husbands do.....

jcross19:
even the psalm you quoted said He takes away their spirit mean their spirits are still existing but with God while their flesh returned to the dust! You are just confused sir

Jcross, please go and find out the Hebrew word lexicon for 'Spirit' in Psalm 104:29 & Eccl12:7.
If you don't do it, you're lost.

true2god:
You are a brainwashed novice; keep patting yourselves in the back for a job well done. I am not a kid that keeps going in cycle and end up achieving nothing.



I am not an atheist, and if at all any group will be called psudo-atheist, it will be the JWs because most of your their secular sources used to back up their claims are from either atheist or antichristian sources. Go and read one of your watchtower magazine on 'should you believe in the Trinity'.(1989 edition). Almost all their sources are either from atheists who are into antichristian apologetics.

How can a so-called 'Jehovah's only true' organization be quoting and referencing atheists to back up their claims and yet you call me an atheist. Oh, anyone that oppose your ideology is an apostate or an atheist. I see.

@ 1John2:22,23.
22 Who is the liar, if it is not the one
who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is
the antichrist, who denies the Father and the
Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not
have the Father, but whoever confesses the
Son has the Father also.…"


***
@ John17:3, Jesus Christ says His Father is " the ONLY, ONE TRUE GOD." in heaven and earth.
Compare Revelation 3:5,12. John20:17.
JWs primary source of belief is the holy Bible except you're here to LIE that these two verses,Revelation 3:5,12. John20:17, are not quoted in the JW brochure "Should you believe in the Trinity'.(1989 edition)"

Mr "Independent Thinker" , "the ONLY, ONE TRUE GOD in heaven and earth" is well pleased with those you label "brainwashed novice" who believe that Bible truth of Revelation 3:5,12. John20:17. John 17:3 and 1John2:22,23.
Your wisdom is of no value to the only one true God,Jehovah. 1 Cor1:20,21.
Those Scholars you label as 'Atheists' whose works were cited in our JW brochure are only giving further affirmation that the bible truth ,the solid evidence DISPROVED the Trinity scam.

***
Your religion is against the Trinity.
("Allah is One God"= Deut 6:4. John17:3). Rather than support your beliefs, you dey vex say "Atheists" are lending credence to your beliefs.
'true2god',you be correct hypocrite !

GreatResearcher:
u were making sense until u brought in God into it. what concern an imaginary being with reality?

Wow !!!
You're making a grave mistake, dear.
I believe God exists, No apologies.

true2god:
Can you see how unreasonable you are? Instead of the 'watchtower' to admit that they have misled you guys with their fake prophesies, which were even date-specific, they rather quoted and juxtaposed Bible verses to get off the hook and you accepted this hook, line and sinker. They marketed 1914., 1935, 1974 and 1984 for you as the time for the 'end of the system of things', which are dogmas and obvious lies, and instead of them to apologize for their error (and move on) they rather looked for Bible verses to combine in order to justify their error and transfer the blame to the members like you who failed to use his brain.


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* For your mind !!
Make we hear word jare... Lol
*Compare John16:16-18.
*Luke 19:11
While they were listening to this, he
went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once, IMMEDIATELY."

Since you dey "think for yourself", why you no want to get sense?

**Since Jesus disciples made that fake prophecy over two thousand years ago,
"that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once, IMMEDIATELY.", Mr true2god, alias "Independent Thinker", has the kingdom of God appeared IMMEDIATELY?

**
Oga mi, this is 2019, has the kingdom of God appeared IMMEDIATELY?

***#
Compare John16:16-18.
Mr Independent Thinker, can't you see the level of deceit, indoctrination and brainwashing of these disciples sitting down with Master Jesus to learn from him?

*** Luke 24:44,45, how many years did Jesus Christ spend "indoctrinating and brainwashing" of these disciples learning from him?
** 1Cor 13:9-11, Anyone who can not see the difference between infancy, growth and maturity of Jesus disciples, evident in JWs today, that person na correct mumu.
.

true2god:
I can't agree with you more. The level of indoctrination and brainwashing that JWs are subjected to by the 'watchtower' organization is sickening. I have read about the so-called 'king of the north' and 'king of the south' of JW's Bible 'truth' and I was amazed by the level of lies and spinning there. Two different editions of their publications 'what the Bible REALLY teaches' (as if the Bible is coded) presented completely two different powers as 'the king of the north' and 'the King of the south'. And trust me, the JWs are skillfully coached (brainwashed) on how to present an answer whenever an informed person challenged them with these contradictions.

You can't box a JW in a corner; they rehearsed all their responses skillfully before coming to the public. You can hardly see any JW with an independent thinking without following the 'watchtower' script and template as designed by the organization. It is also more worrisome when, and if challenged, about yye changes in their doctrines, they either deny outrightly (or ask for evidence) or tell you 'the light is getting brighter'. This is a high level deceit and misinformation by the organization.

**
* Mark 9:31-32
31 because he was teaching his disciples. He said to them, “The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men. They will kill him, and after three days he will rise.” 32 But THEY DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT HE MEANT and were afraid to question him"

*Compare John16:16-18.
*Luke 19:11
While they were listening to this, he went on
to tell them a parable, because he was near
Jerusalem and the people thought that the
kingdom of God was going to appear at
once."

## In the voice of independent thinkers:
"This is a high level deceit and misinformation,indoctrination and brainwashing by Jesus... even his disciples are saying that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once, IMMEDIATELY.," fake prophecy..

** Luke 24:44-45 NKJV
Then He said to them, “These are the words
which I spoke to you while I was still with
you, that all things must be fulfilled which
were written in the Law of Moses and the
Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”
And HE OPENED THEIR UNDERSTANDING, that hey might COMPREHEND the Scriptures."

**## In the voice of independent thinkers: " Ehn !! Jesus Christ is still teaching them !!
His disciples who said "that the kingdom of God was going to appear at IMMEDIATELY" fake prophecy.
You can hardly see any disciple of Jesus with an independent thinking....
He brainwashed & indoctrinated them"
*** JWs go still dey everly get sense pass una, because arrogance has dulled una sense of reasoning and understanding.

true2god:
The guy is not gullible, it is part of the training they receive at the kingdom halls. When a JW is in doubt, never accept a superior argument/fact from a non-JW until you get a confirmation from the elders. No independent thinking at all.

Why you dey LIE like this?
"independent thinker' with 'experience'... Wetin Musa no go see for gate..

*

rottennaija:
I know and I know their deceitful techniques

You know NOTHING.... Rebellious attitude is your disease.

Mrshape:
Lol but the place said we should be patient and show them Love make we no use anger follow them Eph 4:31
To obey Jehovah no really easy, but we prayer we go fit do am psalm 37:5

My brother, i concur with your point. By Jah's grace and the guidance of His holy spirit coupled with humility, his word would refine us for His will and purpose.

Mrshape:
Me too.
But how you see that small boy way done do bad finish come still day carry face for he mama.
He no suppose collect for Africa.

He go collect hot slap wey go reset him brain nau.... most mothers no dey tolerate that kind prank.

Mrshape:
please JW only

With the number of JW and interested once on Niaraland it will be a fun and up building if we can discuss the study edition each Saturday night before the meeting each week most especially for some of us how leave alone or the only JW in the family
Drop your suggestions and how to go about it


please JW only

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-september-2019/submit-to-jehovah/

**..
1)
Jehovah Rightly DESERVES our humble obedience because HE is our Creator. Rev4:11.
Jehovah's Rulership and Sovereignty is the best for us because His Love supersedes any other,Also His Wisdom, Mercy and Compassion is par excellence. 1John4:8. Ex34:6. Rom16:27.

2) To cultivate love for Jehovah and my humble submission to His authority is vital (Hebrew 12:9-11) in several aspects-
I) As elders, in imitation of Nehemiah,& our God, Jehovah (Neh1:4-10,15. 13:1-3. Ps18:35 113:5,6. ).

*ii) As Fathers and Mothers.. 1Cor11:3, Eph6:4., play the role with humility and avoid misuse of God given authority.

I love this article, I saw areas where I have to improve, especially with being patient and more calmer when dealing with others.

ublight:
the word trinity is not found in the bible...therefore it is controversial and misleading. There are no 3 persons in one God... Its just one God in who is occupying 3 offices.

Another version of the Trinity scam unloading.
Una confusion will never end.
God is a Spirit, NOT an office.

achorladey:
true2god: You guys don't seem to have or set boundaries for criticising others.

Achorladey: Clearly stated. They just lump every other people not part of their organization together. Ask them are Jehovah's witnesses the only ones that will be SAVED. In their watchtower, it is a YES answer, in their FAQS on the website its a NO. When you based criticism on that, they quickly cite Jeremiah 54:17 as if they are the only GROUP that know Jeremiah 54:17

No Preacher in Mr true2god's place of worship will preach that non believers will enter "Ajanah", true2god has no problem with that... but he wan fry beans for wetin no concern him.
Abeg , shift.
"The Lord's Chosen Church", "The Redeemed Christian Church", Achorladey and Mr true2god, una names no they there, as far as they are concerned, you guys are neither "Chosen" nor "Redeemed".
You have no issues with such names, pls quantirinu to drink codeine and Tramadol for JW matter.
No qualms.
Thank you.