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Dr. Luginbill says:
"Here are two
possible ways to bring through the meaning
of pros in John 1:1-2 :
The Word existed in the beginning: the
Word was both present with the [Father]
God
[before creation] and the Word was God
[in His own right]. This same One was
present with the [Father] God in the
beginning "

(*2)
The Word [Jesus Christ] existed at the
very beginning, and there was
reciprocity between the Word and God
[the Father]. This One both existed and
enjoyed reciprocity with God from the
very beginning."

The problem with (*1) is that Dr Luginbill is telling us Greek John 1:1 has 2 Gods.
The ( Father) God and another being, the Word "(God in his own right)". Both are Gods.
It's idiocy to deny it.

*(2).
Psalms 110:1 & Hebrew 10:12-13 occurred in the spirit realm, therefore refutes the fallacious claims: "enjoyed reciprocity with God from the
very beginning."

Dr. Luginbill says:
"Directed/oriented towards [on a common
level]" is closer, though this too is hard to
work into a translation."

(In other words "The Word was with the God = "Directed/oriented towards is closer " English equivalent of Greek John1:1.
Dr. Luginbill says:
** : "this too is hard to
work into a translation."
*** My QUESTION: Why is this too hard to work into English translation" of John1:1?
The closer English equivalent to Greek John 1:1 DOES NOT support the Trinity FRAUD at all..
No hint of "common level" in Greek John1:1. Dr Lunginbill inserted that to claim coequality.

* I will REFUTE this misleading info BELOW twisting the truth about John1:1.
https://ichthys.com/mail-John%201-1.htm

What does "the Word was with God" mean
in John 1:1-2?
Question: Dear Dr. Luginbill, I am wondering
about the phrase in John 1:1 : "And the Word
was with God". I know that the words are
pros ton theon, if I'm not mistaken. Doesn't
that literally mean that The Word was
"toward" God? I have been in a discussion
with some people who think that pros ton
theon means "pertaining to God." Can it be
interpreted this way? Anyway, I would
appreciate your expert opinion on it. Thank
you and God bless you.
Response: Your understanding of the Greek
preposition pros is essentially correct. Just
like any English preposition, it covers a lot
of ground. And, more to the point, just like
any English preposition, it is possible to use
it in ways that are somewhat unusual (and
so command attention). John's use of pros
in Jn.1:1-2 is unique. If John had used the
dative case, it would mean something like
the Word was "with God" or even "at God's
place" (in the sense of the French chez moi ),
for that is the typical usage. It can mean, as
your correspondents suggest, "related to"
and often does have this meaning, but in the
following sense: "we were talking/thinking/
having a discussion about/concerning/
related to [something] (where the
"something" would be the object of pros). In
the absence of a verbal context to indicate
what this "related topic" would be (as is the
case in Jn.1:1 ), we don't find this use of
pros (i.e., it doesn't mean "related to" in the
sense of "kith and kin", only in the sense of
"concerning". No, the use of pros in John
1:1-2 is a very unusual one, and it defies
English translation. You suggest "face to
face", and that is pretty close (although the
idea of "a face" is not in the preposition).
"Directed/oriented towards [on a common
level]" is closer, though this too is hard to
work into a translation. Here are two
possible ways to bring through the meaning
of pros in John 1:1-2 :
The Word existed in the beginning: the
Word was both present with the [Father]
God
[before creation] and the Word was God
[in His own right]. This same One was
present with the [Father] God in the
beginning
The Word [Jesus Christ] existed at the
very beginning, and there was
reciprocity between the Word and God
[the Father]. This One both existed and
enjoyed reciprocity with God from the
very beginning.
It is clear to me that John, under the
guidance of the Spirit, has gone to great
lengths (i.e., coming up with this inspired
use of pros) to make clear that while the
Word was in the presence of God, the Word
was also separate from God the Father, and
at the same time not inferior to God the
Father. These are all crucial points for
understanding our Lord Jesus Christ's 1)
co-equal divinity, 2) separate Person, and 3)
unique role in the Father's plan (see on the
Trinity, Bible Basics: Essential Doctrines of
the Bible; Part 1: Theology: The Study of
God
). We can compare Paul's similarly careful
(and similarly unusual) language in
Philippians chapter two, where he likewise
wishes to describe Christ's pre-incarnate
divinity (with the word harpagmos in verse
six giving translators fits):
You too should have this attitude
which Christ Jesus had. Since He
already existed in the very form of
God, equality with God was
[certainly] not something He
thought He had to grasp for. Yet
in spite of this [co-equal divinity
He already possessed], He
deprived Himself of His status
and took on the form of a slave,
[and was] born in the likeness of
men. He humbled Himself,
becoming obedient to the point of
death, even [His] death on [the]
cross [for us all].
Philippians 2:5-8
To return to our main passage and your
specific question, "pertaining to God",
suggested by your correspondents, can't
work as a translation, because there is no
transitive verbal idea for the Word to "pertain
to" here (it doesn't work with the copulative
verb "to be". On the other hand, translating
simply "with" doesn't bring out the idea of
the Word and God the Father facing each
other on an equal basis. I don't much like
"face to face" because it is so
anthropomorphic, and because John could
easily have said prosopon pros prosopon
(literally, "face to face" had he wanted to (it
is a very common NT usage). After all, we
too who are most definitely not divine will
"see Him face to face": 1Cor.13:12 ; cf.
1Jn.3:2 ). But the simple, spare pros
conveys everything to us in a powerful way,
God the Father and the Word, together as
One, yet unique and distinct, and with
distinct roles in the Plan of God.
As I mentioned, you can find out more about
the Trinity in Bible Basics: Essential
Doctrines of the Bible; Part 1: Theology: The
Study of God
. I quote here footnote #6 from that study,
because the information it contains is
particularly relevant to this discussion:
In verse one of John 1:1-3 , the
clause "the Word was God"
cannot legitimately be translated
"the Word was a God". First,
earlier in the verse, the apostle
John had used the definite article
with the Greek word theos to refer
to the Father according to
customary usage ("the [sc.
Father] God", and so to use the
identical combination again to
refer to the Word would be
potentially confusing, making it
seem as if "the Word" was really
identical to "the [sc. Father] God",
one of the very points that John
is disproving here. Secondly,
Greek does not possess an
indefinite article ("a/an", but it
does have an indefinite pronoun
("a certain one"; Greek tis) - the
very word that a Greek reader
would expect here if the point
was that Christ was somehow a
god, but not really "God". So John
only had three ways to write this:
1) the Word was "the God" (but
this would mean that there was
no real distinction between the
Father and Christ); 2) the Word
was "a certain god" (but this
would mean that Christ was a
lesser sort of divinity, not God on
the level of the Father); or 3) the
Word was "God" - what John
actually did write, thus fully and
unambiguously attributing deity
to the Word as distinct from the
Father.
Hope this helps!
Yours in the Word.
Bob L.
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I will REFUTE this misleading info twisting the truth about John1:1

PrincewithGod:
A Doctrine that Unites and Divides
The doctrine of the Trinity has been called the most puzzling doctrine in the Christian faith and the central truth of the Christian faith. Which is it? Inscrutable puzzle or central truth? The answer is, both are true.

This doctrine unites all true Christians and separates us from those who are not Christian. You may believe and still not be a Christian, but if you deny this doctrine in your heart, you are not a Christian at all.

The Trinity is a doctrine that all Christians believe but no one really understands. That much should be clear from this message. If you try to explain the Trinity, you will lose your mind. But if you deny it, you will lose your soul.

Someone asked Daniel Webster, who happened to be a fervent Christian, "How can a man of your intellect believe in the Trinity?" "I do not pretend fully to understand the arithmetic of heaven now," he replied. That's a good phrase—the arithmetic of heaven.

The Trinity should cause us to bow in humble adoration before a God who is greater than our minds could ever comprehend.

Let us rejoice that we have a Triune God who has provided for a Trinitarian salvation. When we were lost in sin, our God acted in every Person of his being to save us. The Father gave the Son, the Son offered himself on the Cross, and the Holy Spirit brought us to Jesus. We were so lost that it took every member of the Godhead to save us.

In 1774 a man named Ignaz Franz wrote a hymn of praise to the Trinity: Holy God, We Praise Your Name. Verse three may serve as an apt conclusion to this message.

"Holy Father, Holy Son, Holy Spirit, Three we name you;
While in essence only one, undivided God we claim you.
Then, adoring, bend the knee, and confess the mystery."

Indeed it is a mystery, and with all the saints we bend the knee in worship before our great God—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

-Dr. Ray Pritchard is the president of Keep Believing Ministries.

Dey there dey deceive yourself....
Rev 3:5,12 and John20:17,30,31,the words of Jesus Christ in heaven and earth are irrevocable truth throwing the Trinity FRAUD into the sewage dump.

solite3:
you are the liar here.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Your father is the devil no wonder you pour out insults against God.

Liar

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

1 peter 3v18 didnt say Jesus was resurrected in the Spirit realm but that Jesus was resurrected BY the Spirit.

Triune pagan deity devotees LYING on a public forum is second nature& you're EXPOSE yourself.
Your LIES gives birth to MORE LIES..
** 'Jesus is almighty God' Pharisee dey quote 1John2:22.
In Your Bible in 1John 2:22, who is " the Father ? Who is the Son"?
How come your "almighty God" is a son ?
******
1Peter3:18, "BY" = DUBIOUS.
Not according to the Greek lexicon.

"1 Peter3:18
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God, after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm."

Triune pagan deity devotees wan right him own Bible....

Solite3 quote >
"1 peter 3v18 didnt say Jesus was resurrected in the Spirit realm but that Jesus was resurrected BY the Spirit."

* If Solite3 quote is true, Another triune pagan deity Lie exposed: "Jesus resurrected himself"

* Your 1 Peter 3:18 LIE EXPOSES your other LIE .

*

shadeyinka:
Lame argument of people with two gods.
Is any human called "a mighty god?"

Isa 44:6:
"Thus said the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God ."

Isa 44:8:
"Fear you not, neither be afraid: have not I told you from that time, and have declared it? you are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yes, there is no God; I know not any."

Isa 45:21:
"Tell you, and bring them near; yes, let them take counsel together: who has decla[b][/b]red this from ancient time? who has told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me."

Hos 13:4:
"Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no god but me: for there is no savior beside me."

Hosea summarised it, there is no SAVIOUR beside me.

I rest my case!

Psalms 82:1,6.
" God standeth in the congregation of the
mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

6. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you
are children of the most High."

Hebrew 'EL' (God, god(s)) = Mighty One.
Man is a mighty God .
EL gibbowr is a title applied to man, Jesus and his Father, Yahweh.

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Is the God of Isaiah 44:6,8 "I", or triune?

Is the God of Isaiah 44:8, 45:21 & Hosea13:4 "Me" or triune?
The "Me" in Isaiah44:8, 45:21 & Hosea13:4 is how many persons?

Triune pagan deity devotee pretending to be Christian...

WinningEleven:
please help me before I do something stupid. its a very simple yet complicated thing
lately, I dunno what is wrong with me. when I see girls, my body quakes.
by quakes, I mean that there is this movement inside of me that makes my heart, chest and stomach hurt for a second. like something inside me is moving uneasily. I don't understand this and it began lately.
what is wrong with me? I have prayed and prayed about it to no avail
FYI I'm a teen

Nothing is wrong with you. calm down.
You are passing through a normal phase of development ,puberty phase.
Your parents should have educated you and made you aware of the changes in your body as well as fluctuations of feelings and emotions you would pass through as you transition from teenage years to mature, adulthood.
Beware of the counsel of Ahithophel,that is your peers and others who may mislead you with half truths about sexuality education.
Please Google this very informative book, "Questions Young People Ask- Answers That Work", published by Jehovah's witnesses.
The Official JW website has lots of practical counsel for young people/youths.
God bless.

solite3:
why are you running? Jehovah witness society is a cult some of your teachings you hide from the public so as to expose your true nature.
Note: why did you stylisly avoid the fact that Your Jesus is not the Son of God but micheal the archangel.
You deny the resurrection of Jesus Christ dismissing it as a facade.
What do you know about true Christianity? Jehovah witness are not Christian in any way, you all are antichristian, Jesus hater and God hater, If you dont repent you will die and go to hell fire.
Jesus is Almighty God whether you lots deny or hate him he is the only Saviour.

Solite3 LIAR.
Angel> son of God. Deal with it, lying solite3.
2 Thess 1:7-9. 1 Thess4:16, Matt 24:30,31.
Malachi 3:1.

1 Peter3:18 Jesus died in the flesh, resurrected in the spirit realm.

* Fictitious claims of a triune pagan deity devotee. Is Adam suffering eternal torture in hellfire?
Your deity is a servant in heaven still obeying the command of his God ,"Sit at my right hand".
Hebrew 10:12,13. Psalm 110:1(ASV).

solite3:
Jesus or Angel micheal? Why dont you tell him that your Jesus is Angel Micheal?

Malachi 3:1
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall
prepare the way before me; and the Lord
whom ye seek will suddenly come to his
temple, and the Angel of the covenant,
whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh,
saith Jehovah of hosts."

Who is the angel of the covenant?
Angel>son of God.
Is Jesus Christ the son of God ? Rev3:5,12. John20:17.

2 Thess 1:7-9. 1 Thess4:16, Matt 24:30,31 who leads other sons of God with an archangel's voice?

*

solite3:
op beware of Jehovah false teaching read pls attend a good bible teaching church where they teach sound teaching, like the trinity salvation by faith in Jesus, sanctification and all the whole counsel of God.
@ bolded

Job 9:8
Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.


Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

God was alone in genesis created the heavens and the earth there was no other spirit being with him.

Jehovah, the only true God has no false teaching, likewise Jehovah's witnesses.

Solite3 ( Isaiah 44:24 Job 9:8. Gen 1:27) Condemned the Trinity FRAUD.
Where were the other Gods- Jesus and your holy ghost?

solite3:
(1).
the father never commanded the son to become a servant nowhere is it in the bible.
By the way the fact that he had to become a servant proves he was never a servant.

(2)
All things were created by the father" because the father himself participated in the act of creation but the act was through the Son.

(3).
Jesus is the source of God's creation Revelation 3vv14

(1).
Psalm 110:1, who gave the command "Sit at my right hand"?
Hebrew 10:12,13, Who obeyed the command?
What's the place or location where the command was given?
Acts 3:13, who is the servant?

(2).
TRUE.

(3).
NOT true.
Your (2) CONTRADICTS (3).
Proof of Source>"All things were created by the father". Source>The Father.
John5:26, The Source is the Father.
* For instance, Janosky (J) bought a car through Solite3, (S),between (J) & (S) who is the source of the bought car ?

solite3:
separate persons yes, but one God

God is how many spirit?

solite3:
the issue is not God sending Jesus but the fact that Jesus took humbled himself to take on that position whereby he could be sent by God.

* Psalms 110:1
1 Jehovah said unto my Lord, Sit at my right
hand, until I put thine enemies as footstool
of thy feet."

# Compare Hebrew 10:12,13.

John 6:38
For I came down from heaven, not to
do mine own will, but the will of him
that sent me.
John 14:31
But that the world may know that I
love the Father; and as the Father gave
me commandment, even so I do"

**** Blessed be the God & Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Ephesians 1:3.


In heaven your deity obeyed the command of his God & Father command "Sit at my right hand..."
On earth, "as the Father gave
me commandment, even so I do"
Solite3, where is your sense?

bingbagbo:
Anyone That has seen me has seen the Father-Jesus Christ

Matt 10:40 "He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me."
1 Cor 3:23 "and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God."
LEAVE THAT FRAUD you believe in.

Ken4Christ:
If you are not born again, you are not a Christian and you are not part of God's family.

Every born again (Christians that are saved) will be caught up to meet with Jesus in the sky. The dead in Christ will rise first and we will all be changed, given a glorified body.

But after successive events, we will live and reign with Christ in the new heaven and new Earth which will be merged into one entity.

Please, your JW doctrines are false and misleading. You don't even know Jesus so why would you expect him to come and take you home. Only his sheep hears his voice and follows. Give your life to Jesus first otherwise, you will end up in the pit of hell you don't believe exist.

Just deh there deh deceive yourself.
Where is your proof that Adam "end up in the pit of hell" suffering eternal torture ?

Barristter07:
He was put to death in the flesh [as human being] but made ALIVE [ Resurrected] in the spirit [Spirit being] , and in this state [ been made alive/Resurrected ] he went and preached to the spirits [ angelic spirit beings ] in prison " 1Pet 3:18,19

After he was " Made Alive" Resurrected as a Spirit being . That scripture is clear enough

1 Peter3 :19,20…
19 in which He also went and preached to
the spirits in prison 20 who disobeyed long
ago when God waited patiently in the days
of Noah, while the ark was being built. In the
ark a few people, only eight souls, were
saved through water. "
, "Spirits in prison" Disobedient angels who left their heavenly assignments & married the daughters of men before Noah's flood.

Gen3:19, did Yahweh say Adam would transform into the spirit realm after death?

shadeyinka:
Oh, we now have two Yahwehs, one the Almighty and the other an Angel!!?
Continue!

Find a way to lie round it again!

Barristter07:
Remain in your ignorance, So angels can't act as representative of Yahweh ?

*** Judges 6:11-23
11 And an angel of Jehovah came and sat
under the terebinth that was in Ophrah, that
[belonged] to Joash the Abi-ezrite. And his
son Gideon threshed wheat in the winepress,
to secure [it] from the Midianites.
12 And the Angel of Jehovah appeared to
him, and said to him, Jehovah is with thee,
thou mighty man of valour.
13 And Gideon said to him, Ah my Lord, if
Jehovah be with us, why then is all this
befallen us? and where are all his miracles
that our fathers told us of, saying, Did not
Jehovah bring us up from Egypt? And now
Jehovah hath cast us off, and given us into
the hand of Midian.
14 And Jehovah looked upon him, and said,
Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save
Israel from the hand of Midian. Have not I
sent thee?
15 And he said to him, Ah Lord, wherewith
shall I save Israel? behold, my thousand is
the poorest in Manasseh, and I am the least
in my father's house.
16 And Jehovah said to him, I will certainly
be with thee; and thou shalt smite Midian as
one man.
17 And he said to him, If now I have found
favour in thine eyes, shew me a sign that it
is thou who talkest with me.
18 Depart not hence, I pray thee, until I
come unto thee, and bring forth my present,
and set it before thee. And he said, I will
tarry until thou come again.
19 And Gideon went in, and made ready a
kid of the goats, and an ephah of flour in
unleavened cakes: the flesh he put in a
basket, and he put the broth in a pot, and
brought it out to him under the terebinth,
and presented it.
20 And the Angel of God said to him, Take
the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay
them upon this rock, and pour out the broth.
And he did so.
21 And the Angel of Jehovah put forth the
end of the staff that was in his hand, and
touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes;
and there rose up fire out of the rock, and
consumed the flesh and the unleavened
cakes. And the Angel of Jehovah departed
out of his sight.
22 And Gideon perceived that he was an
angel of Jehovah; and Gideon said, Alas,
Lord Jehovah! for because I have seen an
angel of Jehovah face to face …
23 And Jehovah said to him, Peace be unto
thee: fear not; thou shalt not die."

** Compare Judges 13:2-22.

Shepherd00:
I would you in a layman language explain what this verse is staying.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

shadeyinka:
The demons responsible for their delusion is very strong. They won't read the scriptures to understand

God manifest in the flesh"(KJV)=FRAUD.
You rely on the confirmed FRAUD of the KJV "Textus Receptus" to support your Trinity FRAUD.
FRAUD+FRAUD=FRAUD.
I'm not amazed, triune deity pagans pretending to be Christians.

MORE EVIDENCE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1 Timothy 3:16 Parallel Verses
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1 Timothy 3:16, NIV : "Beyond all question,
the mystery from which true godliness
springs is great: He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by
angels, was preached among the nations, was
believed on in the world, was taken up in
glory."
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1 Timothy 3:16, ESV : "Great indeed, we
confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was
manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the
Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the
nations, believed on in the world, taken up in
glory."
+++++
1 Timothy 3:16, KJV: "And without
controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the
Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the
Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up
into glory."
*****
1 Timothy 3:16, NASB: "By common
confession, great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh, Was
vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels,
Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in
the world, Taken up in glory."
####*
1 Timothy 3:16, NLT : "Without question, this
is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was
revealed in a human body and vindicated by
the Spirit. He was seen by angels and
announced to the nations. He was believed in
throughout the world and taken to heaven in
glory."
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1 Timothy 3:16, CSB : "And most certainly, the
mystery of godliness is great: He was
manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the
Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the
nations, believed on in the world, taken up in
glory."

%%%%%
https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-16.htm

"--Here, in the
most ancient authorities, the word "God"
does not occur. We must, then, literally
translate the Greek of the most famous and
trustworthy MSS. as follows: He who was
manifested in the flesh. "
"God manifest in the flesh"(KJV)=FRAUD.

*

shadeyinka:
The question was very clear and simple. A god/God is a divine being, so you've not answered the question. JESUS is a Theo's is just repeating the question. What kind of Theo's/god/God is Jesus?

So can you please answer the KIND of Theo's/
god/God Jesus is.

If Jehovah is the Almighty God, what kind of god/God is Jesus?

We have given you the Expo your delusion can't cope with....
It's left to you to format your brain , circumcise your ears and open your unreceptive heart to the answer you typed:
" A god/God is a divine being... JESUS is a Theo's"

OR :
Run to your pastorpreneurs to feed your delusions at great costs.

bingbagbo:
For the records, I am not trinitarian. God is one and His name is Jesus Christ (1John 5:20; Philippians 2:10; 1 Timothy 3:16 etc).

bingbagbo twisting 1John 5:20; Philippians 2:10; 1 Timothy 3:16 etc
* John 6:46 "not that anyone has seen
the Father except the One who is from God;
only He has seen the Father."

John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only
begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the
Father, he hath declared him ."

John 5:37
And the Father himself, which hath sent me,
hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither
heard his voice at any time, nor seen his
shape."

Between Bingbagbo & Jesus Christ, who is lying?

shadeyinka:
Kai!
I marvel at you display of dumbness.
Jehovah God said:
Gen 2:17:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die."

Adam lived to be over 900 years before he experienced Physical Death
Gen 5:5: "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."

1. So, what happened to Adam that he became naked after eating the forbidden fruit?
2. That day, did Adam experience Physical, Spiritual or Second Death?

SMH!

Eehn !!!
Oturugbeke Shuooo !!!!

Where did Yahweh say Adam will "experience Physical, Spiritual or Second Death?"

Adam never lived up to one Day in Yahweh's eyes, but you done create department of "Physical, Spiritual or Second Death"

You no know say Sodom and Gomorrah, Adam and Eve, World of Noah's day that Yahweh have executed judgment and their case closed?
Your doctrine of Adam's "Spiritual or Second Death" is a classic sign of spiritual Junk , a manifestation of spiritual kwashiorkor.

Shadeyinka, na who do you this thing ?

shadeyinka:
You could do it by yourself. Too many lies punctured in one post!

Between Shadeyinka & Judges 6:11-23. Judges 13:2-22, & Jesus @ John 5:37 , John 6:46 ,who is lying?

shadeyinka:
Since the Body is synonymous with your Soul. Jesus poured out his body on the cross?

See if it makes any sense?

* Hebrews 10:10
"And by that will, we
have been sanctified through the sacrifice of
the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


John 6:51
I am the living bread that came down from
heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will
live forever. And this bread, which I will give
for the life of the world, is My flesh."

Ephesians 5:2
and walk in love, just as Christ loved us and
gave Himself up for us as a fragrant
sacrificial offering to God.

1 Peter 2:24
He Himself bore our sins in His body on the
tree, so that we might die to sin and live to
righteousness. "By His stripes you are
healed."

Scriptural sense....

shadeyinka:
Your lack of comprehension fully in display.

When you say "me!, I !, my! " Who are you referring to? Is it your body, your brain, your physical body or the you who lives in your body?

Genesis 2:7
And Jehovah Elohim formed Man, dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the
breath of life; and Man became a living soul."


"Then the LORD God took some soil from the
ground and formed a man out of it; he
breathed life-giving breath into his nostrils
and the man began to live."

Throway that your satanic theorem for sewage dump.

shadeyinka:
Let me remind you before you speak another lie!


See how many lies were punctured in this your post alone?
From the screenshot, Abraham stayed to speak with Yahweh
From the Screenshot, Lot referred to the Angels not as Yahweh but as Adonai
From the screen shot, only two angels went to Lot and Yahweh stayed to speak to Abraham on the state of Sodom

Pitiable is the summary of your state!


I have asked, show a scripture to prove that an Angel was representing Jehovah in Gen 18:
...!

Judges 6:11-23. Judges 13:2-22.
Please REMOVE this potions from your copy of the Bible....
Lol

shadeyinka:
I am still wondering why you can't give me a direct answer and you have to "date" from 1935 to 1955 to 1958 to 1975 giving statements of the word was divine to the word was a god!
You suddenly out of the blues (even though you had two most recent definitions) to propagate "devine"! As suddenly as that, you jumped to synonym of devine. SMH

Let me help you out by quoting the NWT (the best translation that will free you from having to resort to synonyms and antonyms) 2008 translation

John1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.


So my question again:

If Jehovah is the Almighty God, what kind of god/God is Jesus?

Your pretences top notch !
You saw different bible verses of John1:1 with the years they were published, you focused on the dates of publication & pretentiously ignored the message there in..
"the word was a god= the Logos was divine" = The Word (Jesus) is a divine being, a Godlike being possessing divine nature.
Jesus is a Theos ,circumcise your ears and open your unreceptive heart to receive it.
That's the answer to your question.

shadeyinka:
You will not surly die was the second lie and a direct one.

The first lie was the sublease one.
What God said:
Gen 2:16-17:
"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat : But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die."


What satan said:

Gen 3:1:
"Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, Yes, has God said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"

Subtle lies: your trademark!

shadeyinka post=
You will not surly die was the second lie and a direct one.
Genesis 3:5
The Serpent's Deception= Shadeyinka
LIE.
…4 “You will not surely die,” the
serpent told Eve."
shadeyinka post= His Soul/Spirit (of Adam ) has been poured out of him (disconnected,
separated) ,but NOT DEAD. =Adam's soul disconnected, separated) , NOT DEAD, transits to another realm to suffer eternal torture there.
That is the satanic Lie ,Shadeyinka's "subtle lies" he has been propagating on this thread.

chrmn1:
I pointed out that Jesus was more than just a channel or as Captivator would put it, a secretary writing a letter for his boss who takes the glory because the letter was both the boss' idea and for his purpose also. Scriptures declare that "all things were made....for Him"

.

yet for us there is one God, the Father. All
things are from Him, and we exist for Him.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ. All
things are through Him, and we exist
through Him."

We also exist for the Father who created ALL., all things exist for the Father too.
But we exist through Jesus

chrmn1:
(2)
Yes I was simply telling Captivator that that passage in Isaiah 42 references his job as a servant for redemption and he wasn't always so if not he wouldn't need to become one.

(1)
At the time Hebrews was written Jesus was the Son. It's just like saying "Mohammed Ali was a non-Muslim."
The above statement does not prove that he was Muhammed Ali before he got converted to Islam. We are calling him Ali now in the light of recent events but we unsunderstand that he was Clay at the time he wasn't a Muslim.

(1).
Between the spiritual realm and the physical realm,which exists first ?
Which is more powerful and stronger?

1 Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us only one God, the Father,
who is the CREATOR OF ALL" , deal with it, bro.

Hebrew 1:2 refers to the time when Jesus sonship predates the physical realm (universe).

Rev 3:5,12 in the spiritual realm Jesus sonship is incontrovertible.
The Greek Dia= THROUGH , another key point for emphasis.

(2).
Jesus is a servant/son of the God of Abraham, Acts 3:13. He has always been so, before his earthly sojourn