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olaric:
Thought provoking and insightful

What's insightful in lame excuses from the OP of this thread ?

Angels announced the birth of Jesus Christ.
Agreed. Mary & Joseph were happy too.
1.
Did the angels announce his birthday annually and did his human parents celebrate Jesus birthday annually, year after year ?

2
Did annual birthday celebrations take place during Jesus earthly sojourn?


3.
Where the celebrants of annual birthday celebrations followers of Christ?

4.
During Jesus days on earth, was birthday
celebration a pagan practice?

5. Did Jesus Christ or his followers participate in annual birthday celebrations?

6.
Is the bible against pagan celebrations?
Gal 4:8-11.

7.
Jesus himself never had a birthday
party neither were any of his disciples,
friends and family. To make matters
worse, he lost his cousin, John
the Baptist to a pagan birthday party.
Matt 28:19,20 Jesus says "Teaching them to observe ALL the things I have commanded you",
Is Pagan practices, which includes annual birthday celebrations, among All the things Commanded by Jesus Christ?

8.
Jesus Christ is our perfect and sinless Master.
In his perfection, he stayed away from annual birthday celebrations, are you& all Christmas celebrants perfect and wiser than Christ to dictate for him what his followers should practice?

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If you can't follow Christ Jesus according to his terms, you're on your own.
Christmas celebration amounts to forcing Christ ,so to say, to accept our own ways and standards on our own terms, contrary to Jesus Christ terms.
Need I tell you, no Master would approve that?

MuttleyLaff:
. Prove it nah, where the bible specifically and anywhere ever in black and white, has called angels the "sons of God" and/or when angels are said to be or addressed as "sons of God" C'mon now Janosky, let us invert this your malarkey "burden of proof" wanting to sound smart talk with you showing where the bible spelled out that angels are "sons of God".....
1/ The bible nowhere specifically and anywhere ever in black and white, has called angels the "[i]sons of God" and neither have angels been addressed to angels as "sons of God"
2/ The Job 1:3 interlinear does not anywhere and anyhow say "bene ha Elohim," even Jehovah Witnesses' NWT (i.e. New World Translation) doesnt use "bene ha Elohim," lol

Tbh, when you hear people sliding the "burden of proof" envelope just like you've just done, it is not because someone, the like you Janosky, at all wants the truth blown wide open and be out, it is because deep down inside, you want the truth hidden, you want to keep things the same, you want the pseudo belief that angels are the "sons of God" to remain just like that, lol.


I have countless times seen you quote interlinears, you do even advise others to go and read some Hebrew interlinear transcriptions so to stop scamming themselves, lol, just as you currently unfortunately are erroneously believing that the phrase "sons of God" are angels, lol.

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l.

Job 1:6-7
6 One day the angels[ a ] came to present
themselves before the Lord, and Satan[ b ]
also came with them. 7 The Lord said to
Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming
throughout the earth, going back and forth
on it.”

Footnotes:
a. Job 1:6 Hebrew the sons of God
b. Job 1:6 Hebrew satan means
adversary.
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Angels were created by God, that fact alone is proof to every sane person that angels are sons of God, the Most High, Yahweh.
Any where you see "sons of God" in your Bible, remove am & type your moniker there, make your belle sweet you die...
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Pls continue to console yourself with your wayo ,iwuruwuru, deceit.
Nobody will force you to believe the truth.

SMSguru:
Yes, my spiritual father has just spoken during the Jubilee/Passover Night held at Living Faith Church, Canaanland, Ota, Africa.

He made it clear during his message to church faithfuls that God has a divine agenda for this great nation.

He prophesied without mincing words that Nigeria will be named among the World Powers by the year 2020.

I can't wait to see it happen because I'm so sure that it will happen. I'm also so sure that I will be alive, safer, sound and stronger by then.

Papa has spoken! And God has never allowed any of his words to fall to the ground because the scriptures can never be broken.

OP, wetin concern the holy Scriptures & your god of men fake prophecy mantra ?

YOYO

MuttleyLaff:
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The fear of pasting the Greek Interlinear for Job 1:3 here, publicly for all to see, is the beginning of wisdom for Janosky, lol

You've secretly checked out the interlinear on Job 1:3 and have seen the truth in it that's left you alarmed, shocked, worried and frightened. You're now either, too embrassed and shamed or just a weak and/or unpleasantly turned yellow coward, which is why you cant bring yourself up to type and/or paste here the contents of the Job 1:3 interlinear for both of us to painstakingly examine and review together, lol. What a sore loser, smh, lol

Kai !!!!
Are you 'high' on dangerous something ?

The burden of proof rests on MuttleyLaff....
He's the one ranting about Job1:3 interlinear, which has ZERO correlation with "bene ha Elohim" ('sons of God) Job 1:6. 2:1.
I challenge MuttleyLaff to post here the Job 1:3 interlinear , make all man see am....

Mcuzy:
it's a day I celebrate one of the most amazing thing to happen to mankind. Everyone has a reason to celebrate today I choose Christ as my reason .

Rationalising.....
Your personal tastes/preferences seems far more important to you than the Master's choice.

What fellowship does Christ Jesus or his followers have with annual birthday celebrations?
2 Cor 6:14.

Your life your choice.

MuttleyLaff:
Stop messing with my precious time please. Where is it that the Bible in Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7, Genesis 6:4, Jude 1:6, Genesis 6:4, 1 Peter 3:19 and/or 2 Peter 2:4 specifically and categorically says that the "sons of God" are angels Janosky, huh?

Janosky you deliberately chose to not reply back in the numbered format and order the three requests were made on you, all so that you're trying to block and prevent your ignorance, lies, biblical illiteracy and blind as a gnat blindness to the truth of who really the "sons of God" in Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7 are, to be found out

You've secretly checked out the interlinear on Job 1:3 and have seen the truth in it that's left you alarmed, shocked, worried and frightened. You're now either, too embrassed and shamed or just a weak and/or unpleasant coward, which is why you cant bring yourself up to type and/or paste here the contents of the Job 1:3 interlinear for both of us to painstakingly examine and review together, lol. What a sore loser, smh.

Bible > Strong's > Hebrew > 1121
◄ 1121. ben
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Strong's Concordance
ben: son
Original Word: בֵּן
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: ben
Phonetic Spelling: (bane)
Definition: son
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
son
NASB Translation
d.
בְּנֵי האלהים applied to supernatural beings
GENESIS 6:2,4 ; JOB 1:6 ; JOB 2:1 ; בְּנֵי אלהים
Job 38:7 ; בְּנֵי אֵלִים Psalm 29:1 (on which
compare Che's note) Psalm 89:7 ."
**Hebrew bene ha Elohim= angels, sons of God.
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Wayo MuttleyLaff dubious use Job1:3 to save face falls yakata....
For your delusional mind 7000 sheep,1000 cattle,3000 camels na sons of God for spirit realm where Yahweh lives.

mastermaestro:
It is a cult. Your rants won't change the truth. Leave the cult!

Talk is cheap.
Still no proof for your baseless fairytale. Continue LYING like your pastorpreneurs, that's their very unique talents.

Membership -fee- paying -slave- to-occultic- gods- of -men -pastorpreneurs, your delusion is beyond redemption.

mastermaestro:
Satan's slave. I know someday you will be free in JESUS' name!

Jesus doesn't know you.
Stop using his name in vein.
Jesus Christ &his followers NEVER paid membership fees, only cultists pay membership fees under the guise of Christianity or religion.

You regurgitate the junk you're being spoonfed in the business centres of gods of men.


Cult this, cult that. You're just making baseless allegations without proof.
Go & free yourself from bondage to gods of men /pastorpreneurs, before it's too late.

mastermaestro:
When mentioning churches, please don't mislead people with occult organisations, you devil!
Jehovah's Witness, Church of Christ, GKS, Seventh Day Adventist, Quaker are all occult groups disguising as churches.

Keep LYING on a public forum.
Keep on paying membership fees to gods of men, pastorpreneurs/owners of business centres...
Keep deceiving yourself.

Ihedinobi3:
https://www.nairaland.com/5352739/please-need-trinitarians-explain-hebrews#81157181

Rev 3:12,21your deity says in heaven he is the son of God, sitting on his Father's throne.
In heaven, Jesus says he sits on the throne of his Father.
Igbo man go say "Odo gi n'a anya"?

Perfect rebuttal of the balderdash in your posts.

Ihedinobi3 post=
as I already said, it is
clear that Hebrews sees the Father and the
Son as two separate Persons. It is also
rather obvious that Hebrews reports that the
Father regards the Son as God."

Psalm 45:6,7 repeated in Hebrew 1:8,9. Psalm 45:6,7 Which serving King of Isreal did Yahweh call Elohim?
Psalms 45:6,7 & Heb 1:8,9 who is "your God" ?
Psalm 45:7,Hebrew 1:9, the anointed king have his ("your) God".
Your fictitious claim of Coequality falls yakata.

Ihedinobi3 post=
"God is One, not two, from
elsewhere in the Bible. Therefore, we must
conclude that Hebrews teaches that Father
and Son, though separate Persons, are one
God and, therefore, One in essence, since
God is One.
For one thing, God is not
"a" being. God is Being or Existence itself.
That is what His Name YHVH or YHWH
means. He is the "IS" . Thus, He cannot be a
multiple. He is the Infinite One.= And in the
One Infinite, there are Three Persons,
according to the Bible. That there are
multiple Persons Who are One in essence. is
obviously not in the experience of creatures,
but that is not a logical problem.
It isperfectly logical to expect God Who is
Existence itself to be fundamentally different
from the things which He made to exist.
As for a Scriptural distinction between
"person" and "being," rest assured that the
Bible does teach both that there is one God
and that there are multiple Persons Who are
each God."

You have input your personal twists into the holy Scriptures,by hook or crook.
Deu 6:4 & 2 Cor 3:17, where did you see triune God or anything like that, mentioned there?


He is the "IS" . Thus, He cannot be a
multiple. He is the Infinite One. And in the
One Infinite, there are multiple Persons Who are each God."
OR :
*Somebody is so confused that he has lost grasp of the fact that he is LYING & contradicting himself .
Let me help him a little......

"He is the Infinite One. He cannot be a
multiple = there are multiple Persons Who are each God." = MUMU FRAUD.

PrincewithGod:
Or satan in his quest to always copy and fake God's attributes and works has corrupted the Triune nature of the Almighty God in the heart of man by paganism. Did you say the doctrine is not from the Bible? Read 1John 5 : 7. For your information the Doctrine of Trinity has been taught from the days of the ancient Jews. Read the attached texts please.

Ignorance is indeed bliss.
Pls , go & research the history of that KJV FRAUD of 1 John5:7.
Deu6:4 says "Our God Yahweh is One" NOT triune.
Psalms 83:18 says Yahweh is the Most High not the Most Triune.

Cregiank:
Why?

They worship triune pagan deity they label as 'Jesus'.
Therefore, "Christians" do not worship the Most High Yahweh, the God & Father of Jesus Christ ( Psalms 83:18. Eph 1:3. Matt4:10. John20:17. Rev 3:5,12. ASV).

Mcuzy:
when u pick a pepsi can and recycle it for coca cola is it still Pepsi ? And for ur information Christmas wasn't instituted by pagans who discovered Christ it was created by Christians to win souls for Christ .

One day Celebration of hedonism for atheists, pagans and all shades of beliefs amounts "to win souls for Christ"?

So ,imperfect men like you ("Christians" in quote) are even wiser than the Perfect Master,Jesus Christ ,to dictate how his God & Father should be worshiped !

Where did Jesus Christ give you guys the mandate to re-label the FILTH and GARBAGE Jesus never deemed fit to change the label?

Indeed ,Christmas induced hedonism & widespread rise of crime/ social vices, astronomical increase in prices of goods and services "wins souls for Christ "?
Whether you agree or not, everywhere Christmas pays illustrious homage to deity of commercialism & hedonism.
NOT Jesus Christ.

Keep deceiving yourself.

odigbosky:
Why do you think the Muslim built the All qasa mostly over the ruins of the second temple in jerusalem

Pls, don't derail this thread.
Shalom

Mcuzy:
Christmas is not a pagan holiday , December 25th was a day of worshiping the sun god but the christains later changed it to the day Christ was Born . Jesus Christ himself said whatever u sanctify on earth is sanctified in heaven ; Christmas has been sanctified on earth therefore it is sanctified in heaven EOD

You pick a candy from the sewage dump & change the label,where did get the candy ?
Is it fit for consumption?

OR:
For instance, You remove G- Stout label and place Legend Stout on the beer bottle you want to drink, which brand are you really drinking?
Compare Galatians 4:8-11

Ihedinobi3:
Repeating a lie several times over, even very vehemently and in company with other people like your fellow Jehovah's Witnesses, is not going to make it true.

*John6:46*
"Not that anyone has ever
seen the Father; only I, who was sent from
God, have seen him."

* John5:37,38.
37 And the Father who sent Me has
Himself testified about Me. You have
never heard His voice nor seen His
form,
38 nor does His word abide in you,
because you do not believe the One He
sent.
…
Matthew 3:17 And a voice from heaven
said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom
I am well pleased!"
*****
Mark 1:11
And a voice came from heaven: "You
are My beloved Son; in You I am well
pleased."
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Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended on Him
in a bodily form like a dove. And a
voice came from heaven: "You are My
beloved Son; in You I am well
pleased."
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1 John 5:9
Even if we accept human testimony,
the testimony of God is greater. For
this is the testimony that God has
given about His Son.". (Matt13:13-17).

** ***
The Trinity claims the One true God sent himself ( or sent another, 'God' not himself.)
Either way you look at it, it's a flaw in the Trinity scam, NOT according to Scripture or the testimony of Jesus Christ.



The next LIE is that a serving Israelite King is God> Psalm 45:6( MSG,.JB) "Your throne is of God forever." >Hebrew 1:. 2Sam7:5,12-16. Psalms 89:20,26-29. 1Chro28:5. 29:23. Luke1:30-33.
Rev3:12,21. Your "deity" says he sits on the throne of God, his Father in heaven.
That is, the throne of David ( his human ancestor) is the throne of God.
Shikena !!

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We know who is LYING, certainly NOT Jesus Christ or the holy Scriptures.

MuttleyLaff:
I am sure you didn't read and/or didnt understand Finallydead's assessment of you, lol.

* John5:37,38.
37 And the Father who
sent Me has Himself testified about Me. You
have never heard His voice nor seen His
form, 38 nor does His word abide in you,
because you do not believe the One He sent.
…

Matthew 3:17
And a voice from heaven said, "This is My
beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!"
*****
Mark 1:11
And a voice came from heaven: "You are My
beloved Son; in You I am well pleased."
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Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended on Him in a
bodily form like a dove. And a voice came
from heaven: "You are My beloved Son; in
You I am well pleased."
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1 John 5:9
Even if we accept human testimony, the
testimony of God is greater. For this is the
testimony that God has given about His
Son."

** Carry your wayo throway for sewage dump.**

Daejoyoung:
Except that God cannot be quantified in a box like Messi( a restricted single human being).
l am only going with what l see as the new testament understanding of jesus and all new testament writers seem to believe that in jesus the God of lsrael has come down. Take for instance, Mark 1v3, mark applies a quote meant for God directly to jesus. He does this not because he thinks jesus is God in a literal sense but that God is fully in jesus in a literal sense. l hope you get the difference?
The trinity as a concept is simply:
1) The God above us ( The Father and Source )
2) The God with us( The Son or true revealer of the father).
3) The God in us( The Father waiting to be manifested through everyone of us).

You mean his Father ,his disciples and Jesus are one, so they are in the Trinity, bah ?

Daejoyoung:
Except that God cannot be quantified in a box like Messi( a restricted single human being).
l am only going with what l see as the new testament understanding of jesus and all new testament writers seem to believe that in jesus the God of lsrael has come down. Take for instance, Mark 1v3, mark applies a quote meant for God directly to jesus. He does this not because he thinks jesus is God in a literal sense but that God is fully in jesus in a literal sense. l hope you get the difference?
The trinity as a concept is simply:
1) The God above us ( The Father and Source )
2) The God with us( The Son or true revealer of the father).
3) The God in us( The Father waiting to be manifested through everyone of us).

You mean Jesus disciples, his Father and Jesus are in the Trinity, bah ?

MuttleyLaff:
Everybody ara adugbo, neighbours please pick and take chairs come gather round watch this man make a right tomfoolery of himself.

Oya now Janosky, please show where from, in scripture, did the Bible specifically say that the "sons of God" are angels ooo. Point out the bible verse that in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt said that the Hebrews for "sons of God" are angel.

Look at you prooftexting with Jude 1:6, Genesis 6:4, 1 Peter 3:19, 2 Peter 2:4. You think Jude 1:6 and all them others are good verses thing, thats all and each in your favour, huh? Smh. Tell me now Janosky, where exactly in 1 Peter 3:19, contextually or not contextually, do you see and/or read any mention of angels in that 1 Peter 3:19 verse, huh? Janosky, if you're aware and do know that "Tartarus" is part of Greek mythology and never a Jewish concept, you wouldnt have had the nerve to mention 2 Peter 2:4, in your quasi scripture list to me, smh.

Look at you trying your hands again at prooftexting, this time, with Daniel 3:25. Had I not already know that Daniel 3:25 is about Christophany, you could and even would have got me fooled me, smh.

Janosky, I am 10000% sure that, you will NEVER find it in you, to present here, where the Bible in Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7, Genesis 6:4, Jude 1:6, Genesis 6:4, 1 Peter 3:19 and/or 2 Peter 2:4 specifically says that the "sons of God" are angels, lol. All you'll be able to do is try your usual "wuru-wuru" "wayo-wayo" and "cunning-man" devious way(s) to give an answer

Janosky, whilst we are awaiting you oblige the immediate above humble request, why dont you please paste here:
1/ As many translations of Job 1:3 that you can lay your hands on
2/ Also paste here, a reliable interlinear of Job 1:3 for both of us, to together, study, examine and compare it with what you've pasted up for #1 above, lol

If you have the balls, try me, tempt fate now, and just oblige all three requests lol, and watch Janosky, especially with the last two requests, how your argument and your defence, that "sons of God" are angels, is blown out of water, and that's going to be even before your performance has got the chance to get off the ground, lol, bwahahaha.
cc: deuzgreat, WinningEleven, Finallydead

When will MuttleyLaff desist from making a mockery of his scriptural illiteracy and blindness?

Job1:3, Is Job "the sons of God" in Job 1:6 & 2:1 ?

Hades exists in Greek mythology. Is the Greek Hades not spoken of in the New Testament ?
In the same vein, is Tartarus not spoken of in 2Peter 2:4?

*Jude 1:6, are the angels who sinned & were chained in Tartarus not awaiting judgment?
Where are criminals kept while awaiting judgment?
2 Peter 2:4 = common sense & divine wisdom.
*Hebrews 1:7. Psalm 104:4 Are angels flesh and blood?

The Hebrew expression "Sons of God" has only one meaning> 'Angels'.
* In Genesis 6:4, what's the crime in a man ('son of God') impregnates his woman?
Genesis 6:4, points to the fact that those offsprings were 'abnormal',so to speak, not according to divine will.
Jude1:6 ,2 Peter2:4. 1Peter3:19,20. Job1:6 are the meat for the bone of Gen6:4.
1Peter3:20 says the 'spirits' in verse19 were disobedient during Noah's day.
* There is none as blind as he who stubbornly refuses to see.... oh MuttleyLaff !!

Maximus69:
Jehovah's Witnesses!

One God, One Bible, One organization, One mind!
John 17:20-23 compared to Romans 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2

There is no other way you can twist this case, if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you're a member of those SCATTERED! Matthew 12:30

So continue arguing amongst yourselves in the name of One father, One Word (Jesus) and one holy spirit! Matthew 28:19

"Spirit filled" triune pagan devotees house of commotion .
They are exhibiting the same spirit of their Pastorpreneurs,gods of men cult of personality devotees. .
Different versions of their triune pagan deities, different versions of Adam and Eve covering, different versions of everything EXCEPT the Benjamin ( dollars, Naira, pounds sterling,you name it !).

MuttleyLaff:
Only those who do not wish to see, can be deceived. We should not be upset that the truth is hidden from us, when its we, who so often hide the truth from ourselves, lol.

You this stubborn man, you're a glutton for beating, you have come back for more lashing, erhn?. Oya, tell now, who specifically are the "sons of God" that are mentioned in that Job 1:6, please I need some laughs tonight, so kindly humour me with your answer, lol. I just have to invite Finallydead here to come watch you again publicly advertising your ignorance and unfamiliarity with who really the "sons of God" are, lol.

Denying the truth doesn't change the fact of who really the "sons of God" are in Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7 and even Genesis 6:4, lol.

Job 1:6 New International Version (NIV)
6 One day the angels[ a ] came to present
themselves before the Lord, and Satan[ b ]
also came with them.
Footnotes:
a. Job 1:6 Hebrew the sons of God
b. Job 1:6 Hebrew satan means
adversary.

Compare Jude1:6, "the sons of God" left their heavenly habitation".
To where?
To the earth.
For Yahweh's assignment? No.

To marry the daughters of men in Genesis 6:4. ( = sin,rebellion against Yahweh because angels are forbidden from sex/marriage).
Yahweh bound them in chains ("Spirits in Prison, 1 Peter 3:19. 2Peter 2:4 (Tartarus) awaiting judgment..
Daniel 3:25, a son of God (angel) was in the burning furnace to protect Shadrach and his friends. Yahweh's assignment.

Luke3:38 who is that son of God that was rebellious?
MuttleyLaff, you have the freedom to laugh at your half baked wayo.

MuttleyLaff:
WinningEleven, just be alert and on guard, so when/if you do eat the "The Official JW website lots of practical counsel for young people/youths" that you have the sense wisdom, good and right strength of mind to spit out the bones

MuttleyLaffY no know him problem. Lol.
OP, pay no heed to MuttleyLaff.


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MuttleyLaff:
Please dont make the mistake of believing that lie, because the Bible never called any angels anywhere the "sons of God"

Throway your LIE for sewage dump.
Stop deceiving yourself.

Job 1:6.
Now it came to pass on the day when the
sons of God came to present themselves
before Jehovah, that Satan also came
among them."

Compare Job 38:7. 2:1.

WinningEleven:
FYI, the "angels" you said impregnated ladies were not the kind of spirit beings you think
The bible call them "Sons of God" not angels.
And also, the nature of the children they bore from women showed that their nature wasn't godly but EVIL

Hhhmmmn !
Genesis 6:4
In those days, and even later, there were
giants on the earth who were descendants
of human women and the heavenly beings.
They were the great heroes and famous men
of long ago."

Who were "the heavenly beings" that impregnated daughters of men in Genesis6:4?

What is the Hebrew word for "sons of God"?

Daejoyoung:
jesus christ is not his father but the father is reflected in jesus, there is no need for confusion.
The father cannot be easily understood or seen but in jesus, his fullness is reflected bodily.
ln that sense alone, jesus is God. This is why in Mark 1, mark takes a quote about God coming to his temple and john the Baptist preparing the way for him, and applies it directly to jesus as the God visiting his temple. This is because God lives in jesus doing what he wants to do more freely than ever.
For thesame reason Matthew calls jesus Emmanuel ( God with us). No prophet was ever called God with us. lt is important to distinguish between christ and the prophets and to know who christ is in order to understand God better.
Christ is not like any prophet, and no prophet was ever called Emmanuel, or the word, or one greater than the temple.

In which sense ?
Your claims seems to say that any person who reflects & copies Messi skill for skill,is definitely Messi.
When you reflect your Father (his spitting image) are you still your Father?

Elihu means "God is He", that man na Baba God?

MuttleyLaff:
Maybe when you learn to make comments without having to copy and paste other people's original thought and work here, we might have a sensible discussion and you wouldn't be persistently advertising your ignorance and lack of understanding here everytime.

Try to make comments here, using your own words, your own understanding, your own thoughts and not be so quick to be bring in third parties, who aren't here to talk for themselves or able to defend what they've typed that you have brought on to the thread. You aren't the originator of those any of those literary works you repeat here on this thread and so you wouldn't be in a position to defend any of them.

I can see that the truth dey pain you for brain.
The major reason NL triune pagan devotees hate the Greek Lexicon for the exposure of their FRAUD.

MuttleyLaff:
Do you see how you've shot yourself in the foot here Janosky, lol

"For in Christ lives all the fullness of God (i.e. Godhead) in a human body."
- Colossians 2:9

Janosky take your lying self comot for road, go and siddon for corner somewhere, make beta pipul waka pass enter jor ojaare, lol. John 1:1 was written in Greek language. It had the Word was "the God" written, but this does not mean that there was no real distinction between the Father and Christ. Of course the Father is distinct from the Son, in respect of, it is the Son who physically is human, nonetheless, we are still talking of being God here, which both the Father and Son, essentially and in a natural way, fully are

Fyi, MuttleyLaff, unlike you Janosky, disagrees that Jesus is a smallcase letter "g" god and this is because of the theological fact that Jesus is a co-equal with God (i.e. Christ is on same level as God the Father) Now knowing Janosky for whom Janosky is, just watch as Janosky, inspite of illuminating Colossians 2:9 above, aims to go for the jugular and without properly understanding the context of John 14:28, try to make a kill with using John 14:28, lol, smh. Jesus Christ, the Word is Yahweh (i.e. God) in human flesh and/or human body. Jesus Christ, the Word is Yahweh (i.e. God) embodied in human flesh, lol. Janosky, John 1:14, from Bible 101, attests to this, lol.

God, the Father and the Word, who is what happened to become Jesus Christ, are both uncreated. Tbh with you Janosky, I know what your problem is, your confusion here and your skepticism problem Janosky, that Jesus Christ is not God, stems from you believing that Jesus Christ was created, lol, smh.

"For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
- Isaiah 9:6

Stop being crafty by half Janosky. If you know whats best for you, you'll just suck it up, go lick your bruises in a corner, put on band-aid, and get some healing while you deal with Isaiah 9:6, lol

Grammatically writing in English it makes no sense to retain "Tov (i.e. the)" when transliterating and translating (i.e. it will be grammatcally incorrect)


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Dr Lubingill DUBIOUS quote is what you ascribed to Janosky. blatant dishonesty from MuttleyLaff.

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"lol. John 1:1 was written in Greek language. It had the Word was "the God" written" MuttleyLaff LIAR.

́Fyi, MuttleyLaff, unlike you Janosky, disagrees that Jesus is a smallcase letter "g" god and this is because of the theological fact that Jesus is a co-equal with God (i.e. Christ is on same level as God the Father)" MuttleyLaff LIAR.

" 'In heaven,who is giving commands to The 'God' of MuttleyLaff @ Psalms 110:1. Hebrews 10:12-13 "Sit at my right hand." ?

"Grammatically writing in English it makes no sense to retain "Tov (i.e. the)" when transliterating and translating (i.e. it will be grammatcally incorrect)" MuttleyLaff LIAR.
But your English has grammatical correctness to write : In the beginning(John 1:1), while the Greek says : in beginning" (without "the".
Wayo MuttleyLaff.

@ Colossians 2:9 Greek theiotēs= divine nature.

theiotēs

1) divinity, divine nature

Part of Speech: noun feminine

Relation: from G2304

Citing in TDNT: 3:123, 322

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Triune pagan devotees, your triune Godhead is NOT theiotēs( divine nature.)
MuttleyLaff throway your triune pagan Godhead for sewage dump.

Daejoyoung:
jesus as a human being is God because unlike us his subconscious was fully God.



Have l been so long with you Philip and you don't know me? whosoever has seen me, has seen the father.

Seeing God is not with the physical eyes but with a pure heart, because God is a spirit and has no form for us to see.

"God wey no know wetin him Father know . Matt 24:36.

* Is Jesus Christ his Father ?
You belong to Christ,in turn,Christ belongs to God . 1 Cor 3:23. Compare Matt10:40. John 7:16.
When you receive the Messenger, (Jesus) you have seen the One (Yahweh) who sent him forth.
That's what Jesus is telling you in John14:1,7-8.

Dr Lubingill says:
"I quote here footnote #6 from that study,
because the information it contains is
particularly relevant to this discussion:
In verse one of John 1:1-3 , the
clause "the Word was God"
cannot legitimately be translated
"the Word was a God".
( ** Big LIE from Dr Lubingill.
Why?
Because "the Word is a God attributes divine nature (divinity) to the Word as distinct from the (Father )God"


(#*A1)
First,
earlier in the verse, the apostle
John had used the definite article
with the Greek word theos to refer
to the Father according to
customary usage ("the [sc.
Father] God"wink, and so to use the
identical combination again to
refer to the Word would be
potentially confusing, making it
seem as if "the Word" was really
identical to "the [sc. Father] God",
one of the very points that John
is disproving here.
(#*A2)
Secondly,
Greek does not possess an
indefinite article ("a/an"wink, but it
does have an indefinite pronoun
("a certain one"; Greek tis) - the
very word that a Greek reader
would expect here if the point
was that Christ was somehow a
god, but not really "God".

(#*A3)
So John
only had three ways to write this:
1) the Word was "the God" (but
this would mean that there was
no real distinction between the
Father and Christ); 2) the Word
was "a certain god" (but this
would mean that Christ was a
lesser sort of divinity, not God on
the level of the Father); or 3) the
Word was "God" - what John
actually did write, thus fully and
unambiguously attributing deity
to the Word as distinct from the
Father."

(#*A1)
Shadeyinka,MuttleyLaff,Solite3 disagree.
They said the Word is Yahweh(God) himself, no distinction.

(#*A2)
Dr Lubingill DUBIOUSLY placed "a CERTAIN", this word (" a CERTAIN" distorted the contextual meaning of Greek John 1:1.
What is Greek theos ?
Greek theos= God, a god).
To translate theos = a god (is still very accurate).
Tov Theon is NOT the Word (whether you like it or not).
In Every Greek Lexicon Tov Theon ('the God') is exclusive to Yahweh,the only true God.
If Jesus is "really God" ,Dr Lubingill is really confused & LYING.
He earlier said :
" to use the identical combination (God) again to
refer to the Word would be
potentially confusing, making it
seem as if "the Word" was really
identical to "the [sc. Father] God",
one of the very points that John
is disproving here."
(Tov ("the" was removed from Ihedinobi3 and Shadeyinka's Trinitarian Greek lexicon to deceive the gullible that "The Word was Theon/theos (God) is the same being as Yahweh.

(#*A3)
So John
only had three ways to write this:
1) the Word was "the God" (but
this would mean that there was
no real distinction between the
Father and Christ);
Tov (the) is the game changer.......
They removed Tov (the) from the lexicon, so that Theon/theos will appear to be the same being..

That's the Trinity FRAUD for you.

Dr Lubingill says:
"It is clear to me that John, under the
guidance of the Spirit, has gone to great
lengths (i.e., coming up with this inspired
use of pros) to make clear that while the
Word was in the presence of God, the Word
was also separate from God the Father, and
at the same time not inferior to God the
Father. "

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Shadeyinka, come and see your "spirit filled" Trinitarian friend DISPROVE your "the Word is Yahweh" FRAUD.

So much confusion among "spirit filled" triune pagan deity devotees.

Dr. Luginbill says:
"Here are two
possible ways to bring through the meaning
of pros in John 1:1-2 :
The Word existed in the beginning: the
Word was both present with the [Father]
God
[before creation] and the Word was God
[in His own right]. This same One was
present with the [Father] God in the
beginning "

(*2)
The Word [Jesus Christ] existed at the
very beginning, and there was
reciprocity between the Word and God
[the Father]. This One both existed and
enjoyed reciprocity with God from the
very beginning."

The problem with (*1) is that Dr Luginbill is telling us Greek John 1:1 has 2 Gods.
The ( Father) God and another being, the Word "(God in his own right)". Both are Gods.
It's idiocy to deny it.

*(2).
Psalms 110:1 & Hebrew 10:12-13 occurred in the spirit realm, therefore refutes the fallacious claims: "enjoyed reciprocity with God from the
very beginning."