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chrmn1:
(1)
. The passage in Colossians shows that not only did Jesus create everything but that He also created them for Himself which is at variance with the analogy you gave about a master asking his secretary to write a letter and taking the glory.


(**2)
If Christ was always a servant why did He need to undo His divine nature and take up the form of a servant at a certain point as revealed in Phil 2:6?

(1)

The Greek " Dia antou "= THROUGH (him) Or
"by means of him" ,that's the correct
expression.
Jesus was working with another Being, (the
Father of Jesus ) he calls 'my God,my
Father" (John1:2-3, Rev 3:5,12. Ephesians
3:14-15).

Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days He has spoken to us
by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all
things, and through whom He made the
universe. "

Proof: Jesus Christ was a Son of God BEFORE the His Father made the universe THROUGH his son.



(2).
Romans 8:3
Because spirit beings can not live on earth.

chrmn1:
Hectic day it's been!

I submit that you can ask a servant to do work and claim the credit but the bible says everything was created by Jesus and for Jesus so clearly He is much more than an assistant in the process. If God said He did it alone and all things were created for Him and yet also the same bible says all things were created by Jesus and for Jesus, you have to pay attention.

Don't confuse yourself.
The Greek " Dia antou "= THROUGH (him) Or "by means of him" ,that's the correct expression.
Jesus was working with another Being, (the Father of Jesus ) he calls 'my God,my Father" (John1:2-3, Rev 3:5,12. Ephesians 3:14-15).

** See other evidences below:
(*1)
John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world
was made through Him, the world did not
recognize Him.
(*2)
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father,
from whom all things came and for whom
we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom all things came and
through whom we exist.
(*3)
Colossians 1:16
For in Him all things were created, things in
heaven and on earth, visible and invisible,
whether thrones or dominions or rulers or
authorities. All things were created through
Him and for Him.

(*4)
Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days He has spoken to us
by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all
things, and through whom He made the
universe.


Lexicon (John1:3)
** THROUGH
δι’ (di’)
Preposition
Strong's Greek 1223: A primary preposition
denoting the channel of an act; through.
** Him
αὐτοῦ (autou)
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Genitive
Masculine 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 846: He, she, it, they, them,
same. From the particle au; the reflexive
pronoun self, used of the third person, and
of the other persons.
*** all things
πάντα (panta)
Adjective - Nominative Neuter Plural
Strong's Greek 3956: All, the whole, every
kind of. Including all the forms of
declension; apparently a primary word; all,
any, every, the whole.
*** were made,"

Question:
Ephesians 3:14-15, is Jesus the Father to whom every family in heaven and earth owes their name?

shadeyinka:
All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire!



The Body Becomes lifeless because the life of the Body (His Soul/Spirit) has been poured out of him (disconnected, separated).

Unfortunately, liars always lie. It's their trade mark to twist a phrase to mean their lies like their father.

Gen 3:1:
"Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, Yes, has God said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"

See how subtle Gods Commands was changed

Genesis 3:5
The Serpent's Deception= Shadeyinka LIE.
…4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent told
her."

AKA His Soul/Spirit (of Adam ) has been poured out of him (disconnected, separated,
. "You will not surely die,” the serpent said).
Adam and Eve goes on living in another realm to suffer eternal torture.
Contrary to Yahweh's decree. Genesis 3:19. Romans6:23.
Jesus Christ would enforce Yahweh's decree again in the future. 2 Thess1:7-9.

shadeyinka:
The same Jesus is:
Isa 9:6-7:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from now on even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

Abraham is "some people"!
Okay, I'll add it to my dictionary!


Let me ask you a direct question: probably this will end this back and forth

If Jehovah is the Almighty God, what kind of god/God is Jesus?

(*1). John1:1c

1924: "the Logos was divine" – The
Bible:
James Moffatt Translation , by James
Moffatt.

[*2]
1935: "and the Word was divine" – The
Bible: An American Translation , by
John
M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed ,
Chicago.

[**3]
1955: "so the Word was divine" – The
Authentic New Testament , by Hugh J.
Schonfield , Aberdeen.

[**4]

1958: "and the Word was a god" – The
New Testament of Our Lord and
Saviour
Jesus Anointed (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);

(**5)
1975 "and a god (or, of a divine kind)
was the Word" – Das Evangelium nach
Johnnes , by Siegfried Schulz,
Göttingen, Germany


** divine.
/dɪˈvʌɪn/
adjective
1. of or like God or a god.

synonyms: godly, godlike,.

solite3:
What is wrong with God being subject to God?

solite3 :

Yes Jesus is Almighty God.

God is said to sware with himself since there is non greater than himself.
God is the head of Christ just as man is the head of the woman.

The satanic scam called Trinity FRAUD drained out the brain that Yahweh gave all of you.
Trinitarians are BRAIN DRAINED. Tueh !!!!!
cc : MuttleyLaff
cc : ken4Christ.
cc : shadeyinka
cc: Ihedinobi3
cc:bingbagbo
cc: Eviana.

solite3:
does it also mean that the woman is inferior to the man?
Yes Jesus is Almighty God.

yes you got problem with that?
Buhari is the political head of all Nigerians does that mean buhari is a higher human being than you?
You have a boss you work under why do you still submit to your boss if both of you are humans equally.
The father being the head of Christ is a role it does not translate to the father being a higher God than Jesus.

Your analogy gross and pointless.
Is buhari 3 persons?
Your almighty God is a servant of his God in heaven,your heart dey see am ?
Revelation 3:12 New International Version (NIV)
12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; ."
1 Cor 11:3 Almighty Yahweh is the head of Christ in heaven and earth , your heart dey see am ?

Power pass power, man pass man...
Almighty Yahweh surpass your triune deity...

shadeyinka:
I don't know what you mean by figurative death?

Death is a Disconnection or Separation. There are three kinds of death
1. Physical Death:
When the Soul/Spirit is Disconnected from the Body
2. Spiritual Death:
When a human Spirit is Disconnected from God
3. Second Death:
When a human body, soul and spirit is permanently/eternally disconnected from God.

As for Jesus on the Cross, His soul/spirit was disconnected from his body.

Isa 53:12:
"Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul to death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

1Pet 3:19:
"By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison;"

1Pet 4:6:
"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

1Peter3:18-20
18For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the spirit, 19in which He also went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water"
Verse 18-20 goes together,except you're definitely deceiving yourself.
**Verse20: those "spirits in prison" (Greek Tartarus, not hellfire) are not humans ooo ! Those spirits are demons (rebellious angels) who left heaven on their own to marry daughters of men on earth in Genesis 6.:1-4.

***** 1 Peter 4:6 don't get it twisted,please.
Will the wicked live according to God in the spirit?
NEVER !!!!
Romans6:23, 2 thess1:7-9 the wages of sin is death/destruction.

Compare 2 Cor5:1-5 and 1 Peter 4:6. 1 Cor15:45,49,50, Peter and Paul are speaking of the heavenly life prospects for fellow apostles and disciples of Christ.
Abeg stop adding your maggi and crayfish into the SCRIPTURES.

MuttleyLaff:
"Jesus said to them,
“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me."
- John 8:42

Janosky, do you, in relation to God, know what, do-it-yourself, the full form of DIY, is?. Do you know what the God DIY project at all, is? Smh

Janosky, in that John 8:42 above, "exerchomai" is the Greek original word translated as "proceeded forth". By definition, it means, to go or come out of, with mention of the place out of which one goes, or of the point from which one departs. John 8:42 above, makes no mistake, where from Jesus proceeded forth and came from when He was on earth, lol and Rev 3:5,12 tells what Jesus will do while & John 20:17 tells where Jesus has gone back to

You wey no park well well at all get mouth too sha. Na wa ooo smh.



The God of Genesis 1:1-31, is He, is the Godhead, is triune, but not restricted and/or not limited to the triune implying more than a triune because od is I AM that I AM. Meaning that God will be whatever necessary He needs to be

Janosky, is a he. Janosky is his legible written text I've been reading on this thread. Janosky's spoken word is Janosky. Janosky is someone's son, father, brother, nephew, grandpa, husband, friend etcetera. Janosky is the list can be endless and I am sure you're getting the drift.

Your problem is the lack of grasp of the Greek lexicon and with the internet at easy reach, there is no excuse for that
*

You can make it into the history books by being the first son to create his own father, lol

The Word did. The Word before becoming human body flesh made all the events of Colossians 1:13-18 possible, lol.

It simply is because God is a Spirit, that cant be seen with human being eyes. God is formless. God is a Spirit, and so has no form and so, God can only be seen as a representation, e.g. fire burning bush, as Jesus Christ the image of the same invisible God

WordWeb
WordWeb Online

(dictionary & thesaurus)

Verb: come forth kúm forth
1. Come out of
"Water came forth from the hole in the
wall";
- issue , emerge, come out , go forth,
egress
2. Happen or occur as a result of
something
- emerge
Derived forms: coming forth, come forth,
comes forth, came forth
Type of: arise , develop, grow, originate , rise,
spring up "

* MuttleyLaff, from where/whom did you come forth?
You pretend you don't understand Jesus statement of John 8:42 Jesus Christ says he proceeded forth and came from[/u] God[/b]; (in other words, Jesus ORIGINATED from God , his Father in heaven ) that's another decisive blow for your Trinity FRAUD.

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The God of Genesis 1:1-31, is He, NOT triune. Where you see triune there?

****
MuttleyLaff>
Rev 3:5,12 tells what Jesus will do while & John 20:17 tells where Jesus has gone back to"
That's JUNK for my -pastor-said-gullible-sheeples.
Yahweh is Jesus Father and God in heaven and earth ,so says Jesus. Why lie against your triune Deity?
****
Janosky is one being/one person.
Your Deity is triune =3 persons. Your analogy very gross & pointless.

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MMuttleyLaff>
Your problem is the lack of grasp of the Greek lexicon and with the internet at easy reach, there is no excuse for that"
* The lie for your lie against the Greek " Dia"= 'THROUGH' in John 1:3. Col1:16. Hebrews 1:2.
***
@ Colossians 1:19 ,The God & Father of Jesus caused the divine nature to dwell in Jesus His son for Colossians 1:13-18 to take place.
Colossians 1:19.
* For it was by God's own decision that the Son has in himself the full nature of God.
The very reason why your triune pagan Deity& Janosky analogy is gross & pointless.

MuttleyLaff:
"Thomas responded to Jesus, "My Lord and my God!""
- John 20:28

"Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that His hour was come that He should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end."
- John 13:1

"²⁷Clearly, God has put everything under Christ's authority. When God says that everything has been put under Christ's authority, this clearly excludes God, since God has put everything under Christ's authority.
²⁸But when God puts everything under Christ's authority, the Son will put himself under God's authority, since God had put everything under the Son's authority. Then God will be in control of everything."
- 1 Corinthians 15:27-28

For saying "your deity doesn't know" wrap your head around John 20:28, John 13:1 and 1 Corinthians 15:27-28, lol.

If Jesus could tell His mother His "hour has not yet come .... If same Jesus knew about His hour was come that He should depart out of this world unto the Father, you really He doesnt know know, hmm Janosky. lol, smh? Read on the below following on how and why the Son will put Himself under God's authority

Indeed only the Father knows, only the Father has a say in the matter, no one one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Such knowledge is indeterminate, it is in the realm of the Father only to know.

The Son is keeping in His lane and isn't overstepping jurisdictional boundaries. Recall that, Jesus Christ, always says, He takes His lead from the Father. It is what He sees the Father do and/or say He does. Jesus respects the Father so much so that He is saying, I am not, before the Father does, going to say something and/or anything on day or hour of my Second Coming.

No one knows about that day or hour, not until when the Father says. It is not within the rights of the Son to reveal this information, especially not before the Father, who in the first place, is who sent Jesus to earth, gets the opportunity, Himself, to reveal the info, lol.

Everybody has a role in a team they play. In this team it is not the right of Jesus to play revealing the time and hour of His Second Coming, that's a role for someone else to perform and so be it, lol. Nothing drama or dramatic in that

***##
MuttleyLaff> "Indeed only the Father knows, only the Father has a say in the matter, no one one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Such knowledge is indeterminate, it is in the realm of the Father only to know."

John 20:17
"," Jesus said, "for I have
not yet ascended to the Father. But go and
tell My brothers, 'I am ascending to My
Father and your Father, to My God and your
God.'"
Ephesians 1:17
" And asking that the God of our Lord Jesus
Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a
spirit of wisdom and revelation in your
knowledge of Him."

* Matt24:36, Your "God" says only his God & Father knows the hour or day of His Son's coming.

****#
MuttleyLaff> "It is not within the rights of the Son to reveal this information,"
How can your "God" "reveal this information" he knows NOTHING about?

solite3:
*1)
In John 15vv15 Jesus was not in heaven and besides even after Jesus resurrection the father still remained the head of Christ. Why are you angry that Jesus is God?

(**2)
before you accuse someone of lying ensure you know what he is saying. Are you here to learn or to throw tantrums
@bolded he didnt say he does not know the time of his coming but that It is not for his disciples to know the time.

***** 1)
1Cor 11:3
But I want you to understand that the head
of every man is Christ, and the head of the
woman is man, and the head of Christ is
God.


1 Corinthians 3:23
and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs
to God.


*##**
Solite3 LISTEN CAREFULLY:
( Jesus Christ) your "God" is INFERIOR to Yahweh his God &Father ,his Head in heaven. Rev 3:12.
Solite3's "God" wey get him God & Head in heaven..., is Jesus the Almighty God?


(**2)

Acts1: 7) He said to them: “It is not
for you to know the times or dates the
Father has set by his own authority." (.
compare Matt24:36).

1 Corinthians 15:27,28
For he hath put all things under his feet. But
when he saith, all things are put under him,
it is manifest that he is excepted, which did
put all things under him…"

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Yahweh the Father of Jesus still retains his authority over Jesus Christ. Yahweh is the Head & Father of Jesus in heaven.
Only the Father Yahweh knows... Matt24:36.

MuttleyLaff:
One word: role-playing. Just as I've said in my comment above

Your deity doesn't know .
(Acts1: 7) He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority." (. compare Matt24:36).

Role-playing for which drama?

solite3:
Answer: Speaking of Jesus' Second Coming, Matthew 24:36 (and Mark 13:32) tells us, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”

When Jesus spoke these words to the disciples, even He had no knowledge of the date and time of His return. Although Jesus was fully God (John 1:1, 14), when He became a man, He voluntarily restricted the use of certain divine attributes (Philippians 2:6–8 ). He did not manifest them unless directed by the Father (John 4:34; 5:30; 6:38). He demonstrated His omniscience on several occasions (cf. John 2:25; 3:13), but He voluntarily restricted that omniscience to only those things God wanted Him to know during the days of His humanity (John 15:15). Such was the case regarding the knowledge of the date and time of His return. After He was resurrected, Jesus resumed His full divine knowledge (cf. Matthew 28:18; Acts 1:7).

Matthew 24:36 clearly states that the Father alone knows when Jesus' return will be. Verses such as John 5:30; 6:38; 8:28-29; 10:30; 12:49; 14:28, 31; and Matthew 26:39, 42 demonstrate Jesus' submission to the Father as well as their Oneness in the Godhead. Yes, they are both God. But some things Jesus had apparently chosen to "give up the rights" to be privy to during His earthly ministry (see Philippians 2:5-11). Jesus, now exalted in Heaven, surely knows all, including the timing of His Second Coming.

.Solite3>" He demonstrated His omniscience on several occasions (cf. John 2:25; 3:13), but He voluntarily restricted that omniscience to only those things God wanted Him to know during the days of His humanity (John 15:15). Such was the case regarding the knowledge of the date and time of His return."

(John 15:15)>I have called you friends, because I have MADE KNOWN TO YOU EVERYTHING I HAVE HEARD FROM MY FATHER "

John15:15, > in heaven, your deity (Jesus) doesn't know ,He has ZERO knowledge of the date and time of His return"
Jesus says Solite3 is LYING.


Solite3> After He was resurrected, Jesus resumed His full divine knowledge (cf. Matthew 28:18; Acts 1:7)."
*Acts1:1-7
Jesus Taken Up Into Heaven
1 In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote
about all that Jesus began to do and to
teach 2 until the day he was taken up to
heaven, after giving instructions through the
Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. 3
After his suffering, he presented himself to
them and gave many convincing proofs that
he was alive. He appeared to them over a
period of forty days and spoke about the
kingdom of God. 4 On one occasion, while
he was eating with them, he gave them this
command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but
wait for the gift my Father promised, which
you have heard me speak about. 5 For John
baptized with [ a ] water, but in a few days
you will be baptized with [ b ] the Holy Spirit.”
6 Then they gathered around him and asked
him, “Lord, are you at this time going to
restore the kingdom to Israel?”
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know
the times or dates the Father has set by his
own authority."

Acts1:7,
After his resurrection your deity says he has ZERO knowledge of the date and time of His return"
Jesus says Solite3 is LYING.

MuttleyLaff:
Maybe when you learn to quote people in a verbatim way and/or correctly, then I wouldnt be made to have to respond to the misrepresentations as such as the above. Maybe if you had learnt not to give a misleading, false account and or twisted impression of what I've typed, I wouldnt have to decline responding to the distortions you have up there typed.

I just dont know why you're so unnecessarily revved up and be that bad, spoiling for a fight/argument, to the extent you need to resort to adding to what I've typed, changing what I've typed, make up things I've never typed and so falsifying the content of my original comment(s) smh.

Why you deh LIE LIE on a public forum?
Where is your proof for these your LIES?
## (I)

" give a misleading, false account and or twisted impression of what I've typed,"

**(ii)*****
"adding to what I've typed, changing what I've typed, make up things I've never typed and so falsifying the content of my original comment(s) smh.[/quote]"


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Personal text : "Sometimes people ( such as MuttleyLaff) don't want
to hear the truth because they don't want
their illusions destroyed" - Friedrich
Nietzsche' "

Yes.
Very apt description of MuttleyLaff.

chrmn1:
No sir. I never based Jesus' divinity on the use of Theon and Theos.

Jesus is a divine being= divinity=divine nature. Not Almighty God.
Greek John1:1 'the Word Jesus was with the God (Almighty).

MuttleyLaff:
"Then he will say also to those who are at his left,
'Depart from me, you cursed ones, into eternal fire, that which was prepared for The Devil and for his Angels."
- Matthew 25:41

"And if your hand should cause you to stumble, cut it off;
it is better for you to enter into life crippled,
than having two hands to go away into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire."
- Mark 9:43

"But I will show you whom you should fear:
Fear the One who has authority, after the killing, to cast into Gehenna. Yes, I say to you, fear Him."
- Luke 12:5
(1)
The eternal fire, which some take as meaning hell, was not originally created for man, which explains why it's existence is not mentioned in any of the creation six days, but obviously it was created sometime after the Devil and his angels' rebellion and before the rebellion of Adam and Eve.

If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know
(*2)
Hell not really a Jewish/Hebraic concept, but its more of a Greek mythology concept, and it is like a dumpster, landfill site and/or refuse tip site. Hell, has the sense of Gehenna, the garbage dump site for the biblical city of Jerusalem, where fires burned continually to destroy the garbage, abandoned and disused stuff.
( *3)
Hell, in that light, is in fact, a destination place of the evil and/or morally wrong, like quick money making practice ritualist(s) etcetera for an example.

(*1)
A) "Eternal fire" created where, in heaven or earth?
*B) Where is the biblical proof that Adam and Eve are being tortured now in eternal fire?
*C) If hellfire exists,why did Yahweh prescribe Genesis 3:19 as Adam's punishment?

*D) 2 Thess1:7-9, what's the punishment Jesus will give to evildoers & wicked people?
*E) Jude1:7 did the eternal fire torture Sodom and Gomorrah?

(2) You claimed> hell(fire ) has the sense of Gehenna, were living persons tortured in Gehenna?

(3)
Psalm 16:10. Acts 2:31. If hell is a place for for torture, what is David and Jesus doing there?

divineappo:
(True Story of a friend)

My Ordeal at Christ Embassy healing school August 2018 section.

It's my mom, she had stroke since March 2015. And before that time it's wasn't long that we lost dad to a kidney illness of about 14months till he finally left. We were still struggling to recover from the financial stress and stuff when mom had stroke.

Our world came crashing down again, i had to leave school to stay in the hospital with her. I only went back to school during the exam to write my exam. Didn't even know why I didn't carry any course over but I couldn't write my project.

So when my sister graduated she came home to stay with mom so I came to Lagos to work because hunger nearly killed us. I started a little job In Lagos and started attending Christ Embassy.

So I began to see the videos of the previous healings school and I felt I have to bring mom during the next healing school in Lagos But last year there wasnt healing school in Nigeria.

During Loveworld January this year, pastor Benny hinn said there will be healing section on the last day of the program So I quickly arranged for a car to bring my mom to Lagos. Many people also brought their loved ones but at the end no attention was given to us. It was fund raising everywhere.

So mom stayed with me in one room self contain since then till June. When pastor Chris oyahkilome announced that there will be healing school in Lagos Nigeria, everyone shouted for joy. Immediately I registered her and we were happy the time for her healing is here because we have seen a lot of testimonies and videos of people who attended healing school and got healed.
I asked my boss for a month she said I was foolish for trying to stop my job for the purpose of healing school but I chose to take my mom to healing school because I completely trusted she will be fine.

*So I quit my job* Healing school started on 27th of July, we arrived very early in the morning for the orientation, We spent about #4000 everyday for our to and fro movement, buying the materials for lectures, and some other stuff we need to do with money, we sow seeds consistently too.

The program was actually 2 sections, so our own section been the first should end on 12th But on 11th they called out some of our names and inform us that pastor wouldn't be ministering to us in 12th, so we have to wait and take the lectures again with the second batch students for another two weeks, This time I was so frustrated because I have exusted all the money on me and excitedly thinking Sunday ends it all.

So I tried my best but couldn't afford the tfare any longer so I had to go beg a woman who gave us her shop which is a bit closer to oregun to sleep in the night. She took 4k from us every week, I paid for 2weeks, My mom and I slept on that cemented floor for about 2weeks, sometimes no food for us to eat, sometimes what I could afford for mom in the whole day is gala and a satchet of pure water while I sleep with empty stomach.

Till the healing services came on Sunday 26th, with all exitment and expectations, We were asked to arrive at the LCA by 6am, before 5am we were there already. We were given seat numbers but surprisingly when we entered the hall we already saw people occupied the supposed seat we had their numbers

We asked our lecturers they assured us that the numbers were given in 2batches so after pastor finish ministering to those first set we will occupy the place and be ministered to.

So we obediently obeyed their instructions
So pastor came out to heal the first set of people which mainly comprised of people who can stand on their own without an aid, few people on stretchers, about very few people on wheelchairs they all got healed and were rejoicing.
We also rejoice with them in anticipation of ours.

But surprisingly instead of allowing us occupy the seat as promised they call the pastors and some other members to occupy them.

So we began to ask for explanation for the reason things turned out that way, we began to press towards the stage where pastor Chris is, then they called in the ushers to completely block us so camera wouldn't see us at all.

We kept pressing forward till all the pastors who lectured us and promised to put us on healing lines came to join the ushers and pushed us back telling us we can get our miracles anywhere not until pastor minister to Us.

So it wasn't long pastor said he's done with the healing service Everyone shouted because there were still more than people on wheelchairs that hasn't been ministered to with some on stretchers too
So pastor Chris asked us to raise the paper indicating the condition, he prayed and asked us to act with faith. He then prayed on some shawls and asked us to drop a love offering of #5k at least for one.

Everyone tried lifting their loved ones making them do what they couldn't do till pastor walked out of the hall. After about 30min trying to exercise faith each person sat back on their wheel chair and returned home like that after the healing school.

What actually gave me more concern was that one of the pastors blamed it all on us saying we didn't have enough faith that the prayers pastor prayed was enough to heal our loved ones but we refused to Take the healings

*So my questions are*
What exactly is Faith ?
That I quit my job for this purpose isn't faith enough
That I left a self contained decent room to sleep in a shop for two weeks isn't faith enough?
I emptied my bank account to sow seed
And why is it that all the people we meet at the healing school during lectures, with whom we interacted prayed together and encouraged each other. Not even one was healed.
I endured hunger for this same purpose isn't faith enough.

As for me I had just #400 and I was confident cause I already concluded that mom is going to walk today and the #400 will be enough to take us back home as we will go home with public transport not taxify.
All of us still saw each other and went home

*faustrated*
*disappointed*
*depressed*
And *broke*

Still having to push our loved ones with the wheelchair. I have to beg the cab driver that we later used to please come back next week to take the #2k he promised to collect.

I don't really know what all the drama represent but I know there's more to all these show of miracles that we see on television, they are not exactly what we are seeing."

Sad, very sad you were scammed !
You& your loved ones had no role to play in the well choreographed theatrics & drama sequences. If you no dey the drama crew, nothing for you. It's always in-house job.
If you know you know.

chrmn1:
Wrong! The greeks had a pluralistic concept about "God" so saying that Theon was used because they thought Paul was "God" is quite wrong.

If Jesus was spoken of in Acts28:6, you will forget "The greeks had a pluralistic concept about "God" because tov Theon was used".
Lol.....

You would even claim that's the reason he didn't die @ Acts 28:6.
Greek gods were not truly immortal.... you know.

shadeyinka:
See what you've been afraid to say!
Let me oblige you with the question and answer.

Question:
If Jesus did the actual work of creation (as directed by Yahweh), who rested from work?
Answer
The actual work of creation was done by Jehovah! Gen1:1
Jehovah rested from His work of creation on the seventh day! Gen2:2
The actual work of creation was done by Jesus! Col1:16
He rested from His work on the seventh day

Shadeyinka quote> "He rested from His work on the seventh day"
"He" Yahweh rested. Genesis 2:1-2.
Yahweh is NOT Jesus. John 14:1. 17:3.

chrmn1:
What you are requesting is unrealistic. The phrase "ton theon" or "Ho theos" was used in the new testament mostly in reference to Almighty God. That phrase "the God": rarely will you see it used in reference to other gods and so you think that because Ton theon was used in John1:1, the Word is not Almighty God. That's wrong. You people added "a" to the original text. It is not there. There are so many scriptures where theos is used for the Almighty God.

In Acts 28:6 "a god" is used and the word is Theon.

chrmn1 post=

"What you are requesting is unrealistic."
For your mind.....

chrmn1 post= "The phrase "ton theon" was used in the new testament mostly in reference to Almighty God."
(148 times, the Almighty God. Not the Word (Jesus).
That's what Greek John1:1 is saying).

chrmn1 post= In Acts 28:6 "a god" is used and the word is Theon.
(Yes, the people thought Paul was "the God". Were Greek gods immortal?

In Greek John 1:1,is the Word (Jesus) Ton theon ("the God"?

How many times was that phrase "ton theon" applied to Jesus?

shadeyinka:
Janosky is always like that.
He never read a tiny bit about your explanation, neighbor does he care about studies other than that he had been brainwashed with.
Any scripture not in accordance to their organizations doctrine is an error even when the truth is glaring.

I have asked him several times now who rested after doing the work of creation and I am yet to receive an answer.

Yahweh says He rested, you read the evidence in your own bible @Genesis 2:1-2.

Lies too deh sweet for your mouth, . Gentlemen in the House, beware of this clown who knows more than the Almighty Supreme Eyewitness....

Triune deity pagan pretending to be Christian.

shadeyinka:
I am not surprised at your evasive moves.
I didn't ask for who gets the credit, that's why I inserted the clause "as directed by Jehovah"!
Let me remind you of the question again



The truth know no fear!

Everyone can see you, Shadeyinka, are not in agreement with Genesis 1:1-31.>He, Yahweh created the heaven and earth.
Hebrew 1:1-2>. Yahweh created the universe THROUGH His son.
Genesis 2:1-2 > He,Yahweh rested.
Janosky stays within the bounds of Yahweh's inspired expression of the creation account.
Who is Janosky to dictate for Yahweh?

Since Yahweh's inspired expression are
Shadeyinka's " volumes of irrelevant nonsense!", your "sense" is top notch.
Go & write your own Bible.
Case closed.

shadeyinka:
My question
1. Who did the work?
2. Who rested after the work?
Very simple question that you will sidestep again in volumes of irrelevant nonsense!

It seems the son of Yahweh didn't have to rest because he did no work!!??

You repeated both questions.
Q1.
I have given you the proof in your own copy of the Bible. Genesis 1:1-31. Hebrew 1:1-2.

Q2.
Genesis 2:1-2.


Shadeyinka> "Very simple question that you will sidestep again in volumes of irrelevant nonsense!"
Genesis 1:1-31. Hebrew 1:1-2.Genesis 2:1-2.
are volumes of irrelevant nonsense!" to triune deity pagans pretending to be Christian, no wahala.


Shadeyinka> "It seems the son of Yahweh didn't have to rest because he did no work!!??."

Now that Shadeyinka dey vex say Yahweh takes the credit for the Genesis account of creation, shepaly lodge your complaint to your triune deity & await the response.....
Wetin Musa no go see for gate ?

shadeyinka:
According to you, the son of Yahweh created the world through him (by instruction from Yahweh himself.)

Your statement is OUTSIDE the realm of the holy Scriptures. Please rephrase it..
Thanks.

chrmn1:
The greek word translated "beginning" in that passage is ARCH. Read Ephesians 1:21 and Colossians 2:10: "and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power." The word principality in these passages is the same word for beginning in Revelations 3:14.
The word is ARCH could mean rule, beginning, first, principality, magistrate or power.

Your last statement, ARCHE could mean rule etc.
But in the context of these Scriptures listed below ( Matt 19:4,8. Matt 24:8,21 etc) similar to Revelation 3:14, "Beginning of creation" )
your claim is SPURIOUS.
Is the beginning of birth pangs the head/ruler of birth pangs? Not at all.
Bitter pill of truth.

# Bible > Strong's > Greek


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Englishman's Concordance
Strong's Greek: 746. ἀρχή (arché) — 56
Occurrences
** Matthew 19:4 N-GFS
GRK: κτίσας ἀπ' ἀρχῆς ἄρσεν καὶ
NAS: that He who created [them] from the
beginning MADE
KJV: made [them] at the beginning made
them
INT: having created [them] from [the]
beginning male and
*** Matthew 19:8 N-GFS ***
GRK: ὑμῶν ἀπ' ἀρχῆς δὲ οὐ
NAS: your wives; but from the beginning it
has not been
KJV: but from the beginning it was not
INT: of you from [the] beginning however
not
Matthew 24:8 N-NFS
GRK: δὲ ταῦτα ἀρχὴ ὠδίνων
NAS: these things are [merely] the
beginning of birth pangs.
KJV: these [are] the beginning of sorrows.
INT: moreover these [are] a beginning of
birth pains
** Matthew 24:21 N-GFS
GRK: γέγονεν ἀπ' ἀρχῆς κόσμου ἕως
NAS: since the beginning of the world
KJV: since the beginning of the world
INT: has been from [the] beginning of [the]
world until
*** Mark 1:1 N-NFS **
GRK: ΑΡΧΗ τοῦ εὐαγγελίου
NAS: The beginning of the gospel of Jesus
KJV: The beginning of the gospel of Jesus
INT: BEGINNING of the gospel
** Mark 10:6 N-GFS **
GRK: ἀπὸ δὲ ἀρχῆς κτίσεως ἄρσεν
NAS: But from the beginning of creation,
KJV: from the beginning of the creation
INT: from however [the] beginning of
creation male
** Mark 13:8 N-NFS **
GRK: ἔσονται λιμοί ἀρχὴ ὠδίνων ταῦτα
NAS: These things are [merely] the
beginning of birth pangs.
KJV: these [are] the beginnings of sorrows.
INT: there will be famines Beginnings of
birth pains [are] these
* Mark 13:19 N-GFS *
GRK: τοιαύτη ἀπ' ἀρχῆς κτίσεως ἣν
NAS: since the beginning of the creation
KJV: from the beginning of the creation
INT: the like from [the] beginning of
creation "

chrmn1:
You are very wrong. Theos and Theon are used many times for the almighty God in the entire scriptures. See Hupernikao's post in the Reno Omokri's thread on "Jesus is not God"

You can go to that post in the above mentioned thread in the religion section and see the entire post for yourself but I have italicized a portion of his post below for your perusal.

EXPLANATION OF JOHN 1:1 (Theon and Theos)
Kindly read carefully.

Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος (NLT)
En archē ēn ho Logos kai ho Logos ēn pros ton Theon kai Theos ēn ho Logos (KJV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (KJV)

THEON
The word Theon occurred in the New Testament Scriptures 148 times. It simply means A deity, especially the supreme Divinity. Observe the following text usage of Theon

Matthew 4:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God (Theon)

Matthew 5:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God (Theon)

John 1:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 No man hath seen God (Theon) at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 14:1 King James Version (KJV)
14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God (Theon), believe also in me.

Acts 16:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God (Theon): and the prisoners heard them.

Hebrews 6:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God (Theon) to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

The word Theon is a Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular. 

THEOS
The word Theos occurred in the New Testament Scriptures 311 times. It is also simply translated as A deity, especially the supreme Divinity same as Theon. 
Observe the following text usage of Theos

Matthew 1:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God (Theos) with us.

Matthew 22:32 King James Version (KJV)
32 I am the God (Theos) of Abraham, and the God (Theos) of Isaac, and the God (Theos) of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Mark 2:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God (Theos) only?

John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God (Theos) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Ephesians 4:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 One God (Theos) and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Observe that in the verses above God (almighty) was rendered as Theos and not Theon. It is also good to know that in the 311 times usage, Theos was referred to God almighty over 250 times without speaking about Jesus. For example in John 3:16

16 For God (Theos) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

God here is the Father, Almighty, yet Theos was used. That means the Greek did not used Theon as a reserved name for God almighty but used Theos likewise. As seen above, Theos (311 times) was used as twice as Theon (148 times) to refer to God in the scriptures.
The word Theos is a Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular

Now to John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (Theon), and the Word was God (Theos). (KJV)
From above explanation it should be clear to you that Theos and Theon means God and not a variant of God. So, the question will be why was Theon and Theos used here. Let us do a little of word construction study.

NOMINATIVE AND ACCUSATIVE WORD CASE
Nominative: for the subject of a sentence: who or what is doing this?
Accusative: for the direct object of a sentence: who or what is being

The Nominative case is the case that contains the subject of a sentence. For beginners, it is normally in the beginning of a sentence.
The Accusative case is the case that contains the direct object of a sentence. You probably won't see much of this except in the accusative pronouns. The accusative is what is receiving the action of the nominative.

In English Language:
The nominative case is the case used for a noun or pronoun which is the subject of a verb. For example: Mark eats cakes. (The noun Mark is the subject of the verb eats).
The accusative case of a noun is the grammatical case used to mark the direct object of a transitive verb. For example, "they" in English is nominative; "them" is accusative. The sentence "They like them" shows the nominative case and accusative case working in conjunction using the same base word.
Note that English mostly have this in pronouns: I, me, They, Them, he, him, she, her etc.

In Greek Language
There are five CASES in Greek, the nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, and vocative. In English, readers rely on the order in which words appear in a sentence to indicate the grammatical function of each word. In Ancient Greek, their case tells the reader the grammatical function of each word in the sentence.

For example in Greek texts, Noun can be taken as Nominative or Accusative. 
Note also, In Ancient Greek, all nouns are classified according to grammatical gender (masculine, feminine, or neuter) and are used in a number (singular, dual, or plural). So that means we can have Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular and Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular.

EXAMPLES OF WORDS
χώρᾶ (Country)
Nominative Singular χώρᾱ (chōra) country
Accusative Singular χώρᾱν (chōran) country

Luke 2:8 And there were in the same country (chora) shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
Luke 8:26 And they arrived at the country (choran) of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.




Now, Back to our study.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (Theon), and the Word was God (Theos). (KJV)
Theon is Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular. 
Theos is Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular

The original Greek construction of the last part of the verse is "and God (Theos) was the Word." That makes it nominative. The phrase “and the word was God (Theon)” the usage of God here is accusative to the word “The Word”. Hence the reason Theon was used.

It would have made no sense using Theon as Theos together in the same sentences as such as one is accusative now and the other is nominative noun. It is like using they and they together, e.g They like They instead of they like them or themselves.

As pointed out earlier do a word study on the usage of theos, you will see it was never used as something lesser than Theon. It is just sentence construction issue.

Theon is not the only derivatives of Theos, there are others that were used in the scriptures. I will give you some here:

TRASH as usual.
Copy and paste plagiarists.
1 cor8:5,6 man is theos , angel is Theo's, God is theos. No proof that Jesus Christ is God.

No place in the Greek interlinear where Jesus is tov theon (the God). None !!!
"Tov theon (the God) is Exclusive to the God Almighty,Father of Jesus.
"The original Greek construction of the last part of the verse is "and God (Theos) was the Word." That makes it nominative", as in Jesus is divine in nature (= a god).

shadeyinka:
Just one question to deflate all the jargons you wrote up here!

If all God did was to order Jesus (your small God) to create the world.
1. Who worked the work?
2. Who rested after the work?

I expect you to begin a lucid twisting of clear scriptures so as to fit your organisations deception!

I don't have to tell you the nitty gritty of the creative activities of Yahweh himself as far as Genesis creation is concerned, your delusion have blocked your stone cold heart from the truth.
Q 1.
Genesis 1:1-31, He,Yahweh created heaven and earth.
Hebrew 1:1-2, Yahweh created the universe THROUGH His son. (Additional info from the scriptures).

Q2.
* Genesis 2:1-2
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were
completed in all their vast array.
2 By the seventh day God had finished the
work he had been doing; so on the seventh
day he rested from all his work.

*Is the God of Genesis 2:1-2 who rested from his creative works, He or triune ?
***********
The deception is coming from Shadeyinka's dubious attempts to add his own maggi sauce & twists into the holy Scriptures.

Genesis 1:1-31 is jargon to triune deity pagans pretending to be Christians, no wahala.

Greek ' Dia' =THROUGH (him)/By means of (him) " in John1:3, Hebrew 1:2 & Col 1:16 is jargon to triune deity pagans pretending to be Christians, no wahala.

Ihedinobi3:
(*1)
. And my natural talent in linguistics also helps me appreciate how different appreciations of the same words overlap in some way in meaning. So, I do see the sense in translating the Greek the way that Bible Hub does, but I don't consider it necessarily literal or perfectly accurate.

(*2)
The other translation I offered comes from a historian and classics scholar, a man well versed in ancient Greek and a Bible teacher, incidentally my own pastor-teacher. I see the sense in his translation and appreciate not only how it both captures the actual Greek and fits with the rest of the Bible. That is why I prefer it. You can see https://ichthys.com/mail-John%201-1.htm for one discussion of this translation, if you want.


(*3)
So, no, we wouldn't explain the Trinity by deconstructing it or comparing it to things that are clearly not it. Not that we couldn't use such tools to try to demonstrate some aspect of it, but we wouldn't present it as any less complex than it truly is. This is why your explanation is troublesome for me. The Trinity is a far more complex affair than the whole universe put together.

So, while a pastor-teacher could say that the wave-particle duality in nature does have some similarity to the Trinity (and it is a poor illustration, in my own thinking), in that just as, for example, Light is one thing, yet it has properties of a wave and properties of a particle, the Trinity is one God even though there are Three Persons Who are Each God. The illustration must be understood to be imperfect, since the Three Persons of God are not three ways of understanding God or three aspects of God, nor can they be understood as three categories of properties. They are Three Persons in Their own Right.

(*4)
. For example, if the Bible tells us that God is a Trinity, we accept how it defines that even if it doesn't fit our experience, we don't try to force what it says to fit our experience. Those who do that eventually dispense with what the Bible says.

That is how the Jehovah's Witnesses came into existence. The same is true of all heresies. Whenever we are not willing to accept the Bible's authority, then we invent things that we insist that it must say. The Bible's way of dealing with such things is in what it says about the same thing in other parts of it. So, when people "explain" an axiom in a way that fits their logical preferences, the result is that they create an idea that conflicts with what the Bible says elsewhere. That is how those who love the Truth can identify false teaching: such teaching twists what the Bible says.

(*1).
In a way, anyone honest can see why most of your claims are not true.

(*2)
Your "Christ Reciprocity with God" is a hard sell.
His Father gave Jesus Everything, where is the reciprocity there?
I will expose the FALLACIES in that website.

(*3).
One fake doctrine, many conflicting versions, as usual.

(*4)
BIG LIE

Daejoyoung:
The lord possessed me at the beginning of his way, before his works of old. ......
Before the mountains were settled, before the hills l was brought forth.

Proverbs 8v22, 25.

lt is possible john was referring to this spirit of wisdom as the word which was in the beginning with God. lt is just a poetic way of saying the wisdom of God was made flesh to us.


And the word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us.
John 1v14.

lt's a simple sturv.

The 'Wisdom' of Prov8:22-30 is a created being revealed to be Jesus Christ "the firstborn of every creature"
@ Colossians 1:13-16. 1 Cor 1:20-24 & Hebrew 1:1-3.

shadeyinka:
Ignorance elucidated in its full splendor!

Where did the FATHER begat the WORD in the scripture provided?


Heb 1:1-3:
"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

1. God spoke by Himself in the time past
2. Now, God has spoken to us by His Son
3. By the Son, the World was made
4. The son uphold all things by the word of His power

Is the summary of the scripture above.

I've told you countless number of times, the WORD is not "spoken word".
Why?
The Father speaks "the spoken word"
The Son (the WORD) speaks "the spoken word"
The Holy Spirit speaks "the spoken word"

So you see how confused you are!

I've asked you this several times:
1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
2. According to your doctrine God didn't create anything by himself and ALL other things were created by Jesus
3. So,
a. Who said "Let there be Light?"
b. Who saw that it was Good?
c. Who divided the light from darkness?
d. Who formed man from dust and breath into his nostrils the breath of life?
d. Who rested on the seventh day?

As usual, you will avoid the question

Is the God of Hebrew1:1-3 & Genesis1:1-31, He or triune? Mr Shadeyinka, answer the question .....

* If Janosky built a mansion through Engineer Shadeyinka, who OWNS the mansion and takes the credit for construction of the mansion?
Your honest answers resolves your delusion.

Shadeyinka INVENTED this sham he calls JW doctrine:
2. According to your doctrine God didn't create anything by himself and ALL other things were created by Jesus"

Shadeyinka, did Jesus Christ create his Father?
Answer the question.

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s5/images/JwJohn1_1.jpg[/img]



asking where is the Greek 3588 TÓV (ton), why is the word for word omitted there. you wouldnt be asking for an explanation for why the omission of word for word Greek 3588 TÓV (ton) in the Greek interlinear screenshot, lol.



"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
- According to John 1:1 New World Translation (NWT)




Putting it candidly, this way, we are going to start with finding out your full knowledge and/or understanding of the translation and/or meaning of that your much beloved Greek word "TÓV" first, before next, then be looking into the other two or three ones you too, are grappling with, lol (i.e. Theon and Theos)

tov (the) theon (God) occurs 148 times in the Greek language ( New Testament) of the holy Bible, how many times does tov theon (the God) refer to Jesus?
ABSOLUTELY NONE !!
https://biblehub.com/greek/theon_2316.htm.


** The important question is this:
Between the NWT Greek intelinear & other Greek interlinear which is more accurate and faithful to the Greek of John1:1?

Why did the other Greek interlinear omit TOV with a dash sign (-)?
Answer: To create DUBIOUS impression that theon without TOV ( = the) and Theo's = the Word (Jesus)=God Almighty.
Shebi una dey see their Trinity FRAUD.

* The same reason that our Edionmwan is resisting Greek 'with '=towards.
"the Word was facing towards tov theon (the God)"
Solid Proof.: the Word & tov theon are two different beings.

cc:
Daejoyoung

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s5/images/JwJohn1_1.jpg[/img]



Its beggars belief that Jehovah's Witnesses and of course you inclusive Janosky, could have the fearlessness, rude and disrespectful behaviour towards the Word, our Lord Jesus Christ to have Him described as a god, smh. That New World Translation forced upon you Janosky should be torn up into shreds, burned and/or flushed down the toilet. Mtcheew

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
- According to John 1:1 New World Translation (NWT)

Just calm down and learn....
NWT is very faithful to the Greek language of John1:1, no addition or subtraction.
Greek Theos = a god, ( divine nature).

PROOF :
* ** Bible > Strong's > Greek > 2316
◄ 2316. theos
►
Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun,
Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Definition: God, a god
Usage: (a) God, (b) a god,"

** In John1:1, TOV theon (the God, Almighty Father of Jesus Christ).
In the Greek language of the holy Bible, ONLY the Father is TOV theon (the God, Almighty Father of Jesus Christ).
## Greek John17:3, Jesus says his tov theon (the God,Almighty Father) is the ONLY TRUE God.
Let this Truth of Greek John17:3 sink into your brain.



Theo's= a god (divine nature) was the Word.

In Greek John1:1,is Jesus (the Word) tov theon (the God,Almighty Father)?
Your honest answer to that question is the truth of Greek John 1:1.

shadeyinka:
You seem to forget that
The WORD became the Son.

Is God the Father of the Word?
A scripture to elucidate would be appreciated.

** Hebrews 1:1-2 **
God’s Final Word: His Son
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors
through the prophets at many times and in
various ways, 2 but in these last days he
has spoken to us by his Son, whom he
appointed heir of all things, and through
whom also he made the universe."

God Yahweh is 'He',( 'Me' of Deu5:7.Exodus 20:3) NOT shadeyinka "3 personalities" FRAUD.
He,Yahweh made the universe THROUGH his Son,the Word.
Hebrew 1:1-2 confirm the Word is Yahweh's son BEFORE the universe was made.

" By him " na FRAUD.
* 'THROUGH him'= Greek 'Dia' 100% ACCURATE.
(*The same Greek Dia in John1:3 & Col 1:16, )

CONFIRMENTO !

If you disagree, you're just a triune deity pagan pretending to be a Christian.