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solite3:
kjv ssys christ did not take upon himself the nature of angels

https://www.bible.com/bible/114/HEB.2.16.NKJV

Solite3 LIAR !!

blueAgent:
You are a joker.

Jehovah witness are not end time worshippers, God cannot use people who lie about his word and who give false prophecy as his agents

Jesus followers had wrong beliefs and prophecies, they made mistakes.
JWs publicly admitted we are infallible.
Keep grasping at straws.
You wey twist biblical concept of 'BORN' to suit your man made ideas, I can see you are very perfect.

johnw47:
"Jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things." Awake! 1973 Jan 22 p.8

You have ZERO knowledge of "the conclusion of the system of things." in Matt 24:3, no wonder twisting it makes you feel good.
Your deluded Pharisees brain can NEVER comprehend that truth.
Your claims= POO.

blueAgent:
1)
You keep contractdicting yourself, you are the one who is not allowing the Bible to explain itself.

**2)
The Bible is clear that Jesus is God by nature and that he is the express image of God , this facts and evidence are enough to prove what the Bible means by he was begotten or came forth from God.

**3
But you Jehovah witness would never accept it because it contradicts what you founder and other false teachers told you.

You rather believe your founder(Man) than God. Shame


But you Jehovah witness would never accept it because it contradicts what you founder and other

false teachers told you.

You rather believe your founder(Man) than God. Shame
***4)
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

Hebrews 1:9
You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore
God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness
above your fellows.


Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not a thing to be
grasped to be equal with God:


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1..
BlueAgent LIED.
2..
True.. John 10:34-36, Jesus Christ says he is a god. Therefore he is of divine nature.
His Father is the only true God. John 17:3.
3)
Another BlueAgent LIE....

**4.. LET'S SET The RECORD STRAIGHT.
John1:1Jesus is a God by nature NOT ho theos in person. John1:1 Greek NEVER said Jesus (the Word) is ho theos "the God Almighty.

*Hebrews 1:9. Even the God of Jesus anointed Jesus... God his Father is peerless.

Phil2:6 Jesus Christ is INFERIOR to his God, he NEVER grasped equality with his Father.
John 20:17 and 14:28 Jesus established his INFERIORITY to his God and Father.
Paul can NOT CONTRADICT John 20:17. Trinitarian Translators are responsible for the seemingly their confused rendition of Phil2:6.

blueAgent:
here is verse of God the Father addressing the Son.

Psalms 45:2 Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever. 45:3 Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty. 45:4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things. 45:5 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee. 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.


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A1)
**Psalms 45:2 " therefore God hath blessed thee for ever (vs 6) O God". God dey bless God nau...
Psalms 45:7 God dey anoint God above his fellows"
Wetin Musa no go see for gate?

*A2)
According to Bible scholar B. F. Westcott, this is likely a Greek to English mistranslation, not a Hebrew to Greek mistranslation. Based on the context of the verse, he believes a better rendering would be: "God is Thy throne" or "Thy throne is God".


He says (bold mine, italics original):

"The LXX. admits of two renderings: [ho the·osʹ] can be taken as a vocative in both cases (Thy throne, O God, . . . therefore, O God, Thy God . . . ) or it can be taken as the subject (or the predicate) in the first case (God is Thy throne, or Thy throne is God . . . ), and in apposition to [ho the·osʹ sou] in the second case (Therefore God, even Thy God . . . ). . . . It is scarcely possible that [’Elo·himʹ] in the original can be addressed to the king. The presumption therefore is against the belief that [ho the·osʹ] is a vocative in the LXX. Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is founded upon God, the immovable Rock.’"

—The Epistle to the Hebrews (London, 1889), pp. 25, 26.

*My Questions**
@1)
Do you, BlueAgent understand Greek or Hebrew language more than renowned Bible Scholars Westcott and Hort and numerous Trinitarian Bible scholars who rejected your claim of Psalms 45:6?
These Trinity believers they proved that linguistically and with strong biblical Evidences (1 Chro29:23. 28:5. Luke 1:31-33. Rev3:21. Psalms 93:2) "Thy throne is God's throne" or "God is your throne " is the AUTHENTIC rendition.

@2)
BlueAgent,what do Trinitarian Bible scholars stand to gain by their rejection of "Thy throne O God" & ACCEPTANCE of "Thy throne is God's throne" or "God is your throne " ?

solite3:
Are you afraid?
Isaiah 33:14
The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Igbo man go say : "FRAUD gbuo gi dia Solite3 FRAUD theorist" !!!!!
Did the Israelites believe in hellfire?
You be solite3 CONFIRMED FRAUD man.
Shame on you !!

***Isaiah 33:11-14.
11You Assyrians produce nothing but dry
grass and stubble.
Your own breath will turn to fire and
consume you.
12Your people will be burned up completely,
like thornbushes cut down and tossed in a
fire.
13Listen to what I have done, you nations
far away!
And you that are near, acknowledge my
might!”
14The sinners in Jerusalem shake with fear.
Terror seizes the godless.
“Who can live with this devouring fire?” they
cry.
“Who can survive this all-consuming fire?”

*

brocab:


Let’s begin with [color=#990000]{2 John 1:10-11} If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds.…
In the previous verses John speaks of “deceivers” and of “whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ” {verses 7 and 9}.
It is evident that the subject being dealt with in this letter is that some no longer walked in the truth.
Some had embraced a false doctrine and were actually preaching that Christ was not coming in the flesh; that is, that Christ was not living in the lives of His disciples {verse 7}.
After several decades in the first generation of the Church of God, false teachers and false teachings were spreading and threatening to deceive some. John also stated in {1 John 4:1-6} that some taught that Christ never came in the flesh.

Apostle John speaks of “deceivers” and of “whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ” such as brocab.

brocab teaches the satanic doctrine of a man made triune deity NOT the doctrine of Christ and his apostles. John20:17,30,31. Matt16:13-17. Acts 9:20. 1Cor 11:3 .

Hairyrapunzel:
To dash your brain to jw gb to think for you now means being honest hearted?

I no fit laugh. Some people can't be brainwashed that's the truth. Even people in Jim Jones people's temple before they swallowed poison said they were not brainwashed.

Honest hearted ke? Not every human can swallow nonsense

The POO Tank inside your psychotic brain has washed your soul with delusion. Lol.

solite3:
it is obvious you prefer lies to truth.

Hebrew 2:16
New King James Version
For indeed He does not give aid to
angels,
but He does give aid to the seed of
Abraham."

You have exposed your mumu FRAUD.

solite3:
Hebrews 1:4-5, 8-14 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

The writer of Hebrews clearly stated that Jesus is much better than the Angels meaning He does not belong in the same category with the angels making him not angel but someone superior.



For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
This question is as a result of people who taught Jesus is an angel or belong in the same category with them, God had never said to any Angel that they are his begotten sons.






But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
But to which of the angels said he at any times, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

This reveals the person that the Son is.
This is a reference to psalm 45 and psalm 102 which refer to no other but yahweh. The act of creation were done by yahweh alone and he alone receives the praise for it but here, the writer obviously points out that God called the Son, God, whose throne would continue for all eternity, no throne, principality or power both of men or of angels can stand till eternity only that of God himself.
Secondly, the act of creation is directly attributed to the Son making him Yahweh. As yshweh alone made the heavens no other being was with him.

Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Note the above has already crushed the idea put forward by Jehovah witnes that God used another being to create all (other) things that yaweh only created one thing himself, ridiculous


Angels are just ministering spirit while Jesus is not.

Infact Christ needed to humble himself to take upon him the form of a servant.

Philippians 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Angels are all servant from the highest rank to the lowest rank their honor and position is to as a servant.
Christ originally was not a servant meaning he was not a angel or any creature.

Psalms 119:91 They continue this day according to thine ordinances: for all are thy servants.

All creation are called God's servant but christ was never a servant until he took the form of it meaning he was never part of the creation but became part of the creation

Solite3 Pharisee POO....."the act of creation is directly attributed to the Son making him Yahweh. As yshweh alone made the heavens no other being was with him."

Who is the God that anointed your Yahweh in Hebrew 1:9?

Matt 3:16,17, brain dead Pharisee, did Yahweh call himself "my son"?

Who gave Simon Peter the revelation in Matthew 16:13-17?
Isaiah 44:24, Jehovah takes the glory.
Gen1:27, Jehovah created man in His own image and likeness after HE said "Let us make man"
PROOF, Jehovah worked with another being. God created the world "THROUGH"( = Greek dia= by means of) His son. John 1:3. Hebrews 1:1,2. Colossians 1:15,16.
You no get sense ,solite3 FRAUD.

BafanaBafana:
The purpose of this writing is not for those who have no doubts about the Trinity. That is their fixed belief. Nothing we could say would penetrate their patriotic zeal for the Trinity. However, if you are one with gnawing doubts about it, and wish to satisfy your reason and heart, then this message may be very helpful.
The Christian Church started out exclusively Jewish and, as such, had a singular God. “The LORD our God is one LORD” is the basic concept of the Jewish faith (Deut. 6:4). In the fourth century, under Constantine (A.D. 325), the Nicene, or Semi-Trinitarian concept, was forged making Jesus and God one in substance. Then in the fifth century, the Athanasian, or Trinitarian Creed, came along, adding the holy Spirit, to complete the Trinity doctrine. Though called the Athanasian Creed, it is now generally admitted to have been composed by some other person. It is noteworthy that the word Trinity nowhere appears in the Bible. The formulators of the Athanasian Creed well knew they had to meet the singular requirement: “The Lord our God is one Lord” How could they make three persons into one? Some of the best minds forged this explanation—“There are not three incomprehensibles, nor three uncreated; but one uncreated, and one incomprehensible.” It was an explanation that did not explain. With such incantation of words, they presented their case and, apparently, prevailed. They claimed the One God was three persons, yet only One God. No wonder they said it was “incomprehensible.”
The Trinity concept presented by Athanasius was essentially borrowed from other ancient religions. John Newton (Origin of Triads and Trinities) writes: “With the first glimpse of a distinct religion and worship among the most ancient races, we find them grouping their gods in triads.” He then proceeds to trace the strong Trinitarian beliefs which were common in ancient India, Egypt, and Babylon as examples.
Trinitarians hinge their argument on John 1:1, 2: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with [ton, the] God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with [ton, the] God.” Looking at the original manuscript however, a word-for-word Greek rendering of John 1:1, 2 is: “In [a] beginning [arche] was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and [a] God was the Word. This was in [a] beginning with the God.” Trinitarians tried to level the field by leaving out the article (ton) “the.” In the King James, as in many other translations, all references to God are equal to the English reader. You do not get the contrast between the emphasized God spoken of twice and the unemphasized God referring to the Logos. However, whatever John 1:1 proves, it does not mention the holy Spirit, and it fails to provide the third part necessary to support the Trinity. Trinitarians have combed through the Bible using every possible text to prove their point. In the overwhelming majority of texts used, you find them doing the same thing as in John 1:1, using arguments that God and Jesus are one, hoping we will not notice that none of their proof verses include the third part necessary – the holy Spirit. The idea is to get people so involved in the discussion that they will forget the holy Spirit is not mentioned. Therefore, the debate lacks the third part needed for rational proof. In order to prove the Trinity doctrine, it is necessary to find Biblical statements of the oneness of being of Father, Son and holy Spirit. Even if we could prove the Father and Son were one being, would it give us a Trinity?
The Trinity concept insists that Jesus had to be a God-man to be the Savior. If he was a mere man, they say, how could he take upon him the sin of the whole world? It sounds good to make such extravagant claims about Jesus. Generally, we cannot pay sufficient homage to our Savior for his great sacrifice, so why not go all out in our claims for him? To some extent that is how the Trinity was started, countering claims that Jesus was just a mere man. As the defense of our Savior was made, so the claims for him grew and became exaggerated – from being a perfect man and Son of God, until at last the ultimate claim was made that he was in fact God. Then followed the super patriotism and the cry “To the fire” with those who dare claim Jesus someone less than God. History records John Calvin burned (roasted) Michael Servetus at the stake for not believing the Trinity.
Jesus never said he was God
In Jesus’ illegal trial at night, while Peter was still there, they asked Jesus –“Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” And Jesus said, “I am” (Mark 14:61, 62). If Jesus was truly the Absolute God, didn’t Jesus owe them that information? The reason Jesus was crucified was because he was the “Christ, the Son of the Blessed.” If Jesus proclaimed himself to be Absolute God, they would have had a perfect right to put him to death according to their understanding of the Mosaic Law: “You shall have no other Gods before me” (Ex. 20:3). Oddly, they crucified Jesus for claiming to be the “Son of God,” exactly what he admitted being, while they themselves claimed, “We have one Father, even God” (John 8:41).



...to be continued

OP, you are 200% CORRECT !!!!!!!
Part 2, bring it on ........

solite3:
Matthew 18:9
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Mark 9:43
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Jesus spoke about Gehenna in Mark9:43 and
Matt 18:9.
Gehenna NOT hellfire. Gehenna NOT a torture chamber.
Jehovah condemned burning of children in Gehenna (gehinnom) ,Jeremiah 7:31.
Solite3 ,you dey deceive yourself.

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Gehenna
See HINNOM .
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(originally Ge bene Hinnom; i.e., "the valley of
the sons of Hinnom", a deep, narrow glen to
the south of Jerusalem, where the idolatrous
Jews offered their children in sacrifice to
Molech ( 2 Chronicles 28:3 ; 33:6 ; Jeremiah
7:31 ; 19:2 -6). This valley afterwards became
the common receptacle for all the refuse of
the city. Here the dead bodies of animals and
of criminals, and all kinds of filth, were cast
and consumed by fire kept always burning. It
thus in process of time became the image of
the place of everlasting destruction. In this
sense it is used by our Lord in Matthew 5:22 ,
29, 30; 10:28 ; 18:9 ; 23:15 , 33; Mark 9:43 ,
45, 47; Luke 12:5 . In these passages, and
also in James 3:6 ,"

solite3:
Matthew 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

It us better to walk with Jesus in the light than to follow the crowd to perdition.

Matthew 7:13 and Prov 16:25 ,emphasis on DESTRUCTION (perdition) NOT hellfire torture chamber.
Quantirinu to disgrace yourself and expose your "IBERIBEISM"

solite3:
Psalms 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

*1)
New Living Translation
The wicked will go down to the grave. This
is the fate of all the nations who ignore God.

**2)
English Standard Version
The wicked shall return to Sheol, all the
nations that forget God.

** 3)
Berean Study Bible
The wicked will return to Sheol—all the
nations who forget God.

* 4)
New American Standard Bible
The wicked will return to Sheol, Even all the
nations who forget God.

**5)
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Wicked people, all the nations who forget
God, will return to the grave.

**6)
King James 2000 Bible
The wicked shall be turned into sheol, and
all the nations that forget God.
Compare Gen3:19. Job30:23. Rom6:23. 2Thess1:7-9.
* FRAUD man solite3 , Hebrew Sheol ,the grave is NOT an eternal torture chamber.
KJV 2000 Bible gets it right... Sheol=grave.
keep disgracing your yourself with your
"IBERIBEISM"

solite3:
what are you saying? Angels do not have God's nature.


Hebrews 2:16
For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

This verse already told you that angels has their own nature.
Jehovah witness organisation is a blasphemous and idolatrous one.
I spit on that filt called Jehovah witness organisation.

May Jehovah forgive the solite3 FRAUD theorist worshipper of man made triune deity.

You always bring your FILTHY wayo and IBERIBEISM to deceive yourself.


* FACTS + EVIDENCE *
Hebrews 2:16..
1).
New American Standard Bible
For assuredly He does not give help to
angels, but He gives help to the descendant
of Abraham.
*2)
New King James Version
For indeed He does not give aid to angels,
but He does give aid to the seed of
Abraham.

*3)
King James Bible
For verily he took not on him the nature of
angels; but he took on him the seed of
Abraham.
** 4)
Christian Standard Bible
For it is clear that he does not reach out to
help angels, but to help Abraham's offspring."
**5)
Contemporary English Version
Jesus clearly did not come to help angels,
but he did come to help Abraham's
descendants."

Your KJV quote is a FRAUD...

solite3:
Jesus never endorsed any religion rather he said he is the Way,

Proverbs 16:25
There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

johnw47:
Pro 16:25  There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. 


there is a way that seems right to a man but the end is destruction,
the way of sin and the pleasure thereof seems right to a man,
but it's end is destruction

LIARS ,FRAUD theorists & deluded solite3 and Johnw FRAUD, where is your hellfire in Prov 16:25 ?

Your Hellfire is an eternal torture chamber contradictory to Prov 16:25.
Una "IBERIBEISM" NO GET CURE....

OkCornel:
You're getting me wrong here... my stand on the "trinity" concept is pretty much neutral.

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Oga mi, your point noted.
Shalom.

brocab:
He had answers your question's, but because you don't have the Spirit of the Lord, what he had written won't make any sense to you..
And that's understandable, before I knew the Lord, I also didn't have that spiritual knowledge either, if anybody spoke to me about God-I would run as far away I can 'refusing to listen, and what understanding I thought I had 'was nil-I was unteachable-just like your understanding is now "dead spirituality..
The bible tells us: {Matthew 7:6} Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
So it comes to a time, when we realise you are unteachable, you always come back with an argument over issues that isn't necessary.
{2 John 1:10} If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds.…

Brocab misquote the holy Scriptures & post JUNK.... Na your way..
Brocab, Answer these questions ,you dey
dodge....
@1)
Na where Lazarus tell you say him dey
enjoy before Jesus resurrected him?
@2
Where the scriptures that Adam and
Eve were tortured in hellfire?
@3
Or Sodom and Gomorrah were tortured
in hellfire?

***
Whoever brings a satanic doctrine that can not answer the 3 questions here from him Bible , is a Pharisee masquerading as a follower of Christ.

"Because you ,brocab, don't have the Spirit of the God," VERY TRUE !!!!!!

Maximus69:
I just imagine how beautiful it will be if argumentators like you and your folks could hold unto your application of that scripture.
Though that's NOT what John meant, but it would bring a great relief walking up to interested persons without you guys trying to soil our message as you avoid us completely!

But NO you guys won't do that, you only quote scriptures and the meaning you yourself gives it is what you'll never apply!

My Brother no mind those Pharisee clowns- brocab and him crew.
There's NOTHING Christian about them, every honest hearted person can see that clearly..... Lol

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OkCornel:
Yeah, sort of. That’s the core of this whole “trinity” concept. Everyone is of one mind...

How does "Everyone is of one mind" (or 3 persons ) translate to One God ?
Wetin Musa no go see for gate ...

OkCornel:
And this concept of “trinity” sounds more like 3 separate entities sharing one mind.

Each of them are always on the same page, never in conflict with one another.


Cheers and good morning everyone.

@1 Corinthians 1:10

"I appeal to you, dear brothers and sisters, by
the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, to live
in harmony with each other.... Rather, BE OF ONE MIND, united in thought and purpose."

@1 Corinthians 1:10, "ONE MIND", makes them One Being/Entity as Trinity claims ?

OkCornel:
Please where does the scriptures give this title to Mary as “mother of God”?

I’m merely letting the scripture speak for itself. I’m not adding anything else to it.


Is the birth of Jesus no longer a fulfilment of the prophecy of Immanuel (God with us)?

solite3:
The biblical evidence points to Jesus as being the Son of God who is God incarnated.

The Son of Almighty God is Almighty God.

The scam amplified by solite3 gave birth to the claim that Mary is “mother of God”

MuttleyLaff:
There is no contradictions Janosky. I hope that after you've seriously, unhurriedly and carefully have gone over my quoted comment immediately above reproduced here, as it was taken from another thread and my following added comment below, you find there was no contradiction(s)

Janosky, John 3:16, that I previously on this thread quoted originally was written in Greek, hence why "monogene" is used for uniqueness
The uniqueness of Isaac, originally was written in Hebrew, and so why the Greek "monogene" was not used for where the uniqueness of Isaac is mentioned anywhere in the Old Testament

The birth of Isaac, nonetheless, is unique, one of a kind and as promised. It is "monogene"
The birth of Jesus as well, equally is unique, one of a kind and as promised too. It too, in its own right, is "monogene" as well

The birth of Jesus is unique and one of a kind,
because God, became God, the Father, after physically projecting Himself to earth, as God, the Son, whom Jesus Christ is

Janosky, just like you do, I too, stand with Jesus and believe what He says in Revelation 3:5,12-14 and 21, but let me ask you a simple easy, direct and straighforward question erhn Janosky?

If God is infinite, if God is non spatial and if God is without a clear shape or definite structure, as in meaning, if God, has no outward form or distinctive appearance, how do you expect to recognise God and benefit from the blessings in Revelation 3:5,12-14 and 21?

***Monogenes 4:737,606****"
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
mon-og-en-ace' Adjective
Definition
single of its kind, only, USED OF ONLY SONS AND DAUGHTERS (VIEWED IN RELATION TO THEIR PARENTS)

used of Christ, denotes the only
begotten son of God (VIEWED IN RELATION TO HIS FATHER).


Muttleylaff , 'monogenes' does NOT exist outside the context of Father and son relationship between the Jehovah and his son Jesus Christ in the physical and the spiritual.
John20:17. Rev 3:5,12-14,21.
Rev 3:5,12-14,21 Jesus REFUTES the Trinity.

Psalms 89:20,27. 2:7. (Heb 1:5) David was "only begotten," what's the unusual circumstances of his birth? None !!

" Only Begotten" is Strictly about special privileges received by ONLY one son in comparison to his other brothers/sisters.


Who said "God, has no outward form or distinctive appearance"? , I never said that.
Flesh can not dwell in heaven. it's strictly for spiritual beings.

OkCornel:


I’m letting the scripture speak for itself na...


Or the birth of Jesus is no longer the fulfilment of Isaiah’s prophecy on Emmanuel (i.e GOD with us)?

And what’s the Mary mother of God hullabaloo all about?

You're saying Mary gave birth to God with us= Mother of God.
It's six not half a dozen ? Na wa oo!

John20:17, "God with us" returns to his Father and his God, our Father and our God.
Rev 3:5,12 "God with us" is God's son in heaven. Oga mi, Do you agree?

brocab:
As it is said: don't mock what you don't understand-we don't call it mockery, "only if you would just read the scriptures for yourself--understand them and understand God, you would know, his understanding of the bible is leading him directly to righteousness. Praise the Lord...

Forget this your long epistle , brocab.
Go and provide solid scriptural answers to the 3 JAMB questions ken4christ has been dodging....

solite3:
you mixing it up,
John 1vv18 said no one has seen God but the only begotten son has declared him.
the passage means that God who has never being seen before has being manifested or declared by Jesus Christ who is God himself.

John 5vv37 talks about the shape or the voice of the father that no man has heard or seen his shape. Remember Jesus only came in human form so no one knows how the shape is or how the voice of God sounds except that Jesus is the manifestation of it in the limited human form.
No one has seen the father or heard the father.

https://www.nairaland.com/5469121/what-trinity-biblical-evidence

"Since the Father sent the Son into the world (John 3:16), the Father is not the same person as the son."


You mean the God who was never seen at anytime manifested himself (appeared) on earth.
Solite3 CONTRADICTION, lying against Jesus Christ.

Lying FRAUD solite3, who did Jesus Christ call his God in heaven and earth? John20:17. Rev 3:5,12.
John5:37,38 Jesus says :
"And the Father who sent Me has Himself testified about Me. You
have never heard His voice nor seen His
form, 38 nor does His word abide in you,
because you do not believe the One He sent."
…
" God's word does NOT abide in you,"
Trinity fry beans with your sense.

solite3:
John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jesus was at the bosom of The father meaning he had a special relationship with the father like a father and a begotten Son.

John1:18. 5:37 says "no man hath seen God at any time" in the flesh, Solite3, do you agree?

"...The only begotten Son,which is in the bosom of the Father in heaven". In other words, Jesus is God's son in heaven in the spiritual realm, Solite3, do you agree? Rev 3:5,12.

***Monogenes 4:737,606****"
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
mon-og-en-ace' Adjective
Definition
single of its kind, only
used of only sons or daughters (viewed in
relation to their parents)
used of Christ, denotes the only begotten
son of God
King James Word Usage - Total: 9
only begotten 6, only 2, only child 1"


**
Muttleylaff=" why Isaac is referred to as Abraham's only begotten son, inspite of having an elder brother Ishmael?"


Because Isaac is the ONLY CHILD and the First legitimate born of his Father who receive the privilege that was NEVER given to Ishmael or other children of Abraham. (Heb11:17. Likewise ,king David was begotten among the sons of Jesse. Psalm 89:20,27. Likewise, Jesus Christ among other sons of God. John 3:16).

** Muttleylaff=
*1)
"Christ is an one-off and "the only begotten Son" means Jesus Christ is the one and only human being thats come to into existence this way.
*11)
The "the only begotten Son" phrase has nothing to do with God biologically giving birth to Jesus,"
Muttleylaff *1) & *11) some what CONTRADICTs.
** John3:16 " God gave his only begotten son" , (NO CONNECTION TO Jesus human birth by Mary). Romans 8:3.John17:1-3,24.
In other words, God gave the only son HE HAS BEGOTTEN with glory before the founding of the world.


God gave "the firstborn of every creature" Colossians 1:15 (KJV).

****FACT:
Greek monogenes (begotten) does NOT exist outside the context of Father and son relationship. In other words, you can Never be "ONLY BEGOTTEN" when you are not the TRUE SON of your Father.
You MUST be Son in the strict sense of the word "SON", before you can be "only begotten" with privileges attached to your "only begotten" status .
Jesus Christ says he is God's son in the spiritual realm. Rev 3:5,12-14,21.
I stand with Jesus and believe what he says in Rev 3:5,12-14,21.

MuttleyLaff:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
- John 3:16

"By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:
and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son"
- Hebrews 11:17

ichuka, you proposed John 1:14, that says, the Word became flesh, meaning the Word became flesh in Mary and that no mixture of blood or flesh. OK, ichuka nwanne, lets with the begotten Son in John 3:16 and the begotten son in Hebrews 11:17, break all this matter nicely down together, hmm?

ichuka, Christ is unique, actually means Christ is an one-off and "the only begotten Son" means Jesus Christ is the one and only human being thats come to into existence this way. The "the only begotten Son" phrase has nothing to do with God biologically giving birth to Jesus, as a mother does, like we have women do, but means this is an exclusive, Jesus is the only brought into being in a very unusual or remarkable manner.

ichuka, now, let's shift attention to Hebrews 11:17. ichuka, Abraham already has had Ishmael, thirteen years earlier than Isaac, so why is the Bible calling Isaac Abraham's only begotten son. The reason is because Jesus and Isaac share the uniqueness strand.

Isaac's coming into being and birthed just like Jesus' birth, is out of the ordinary. Isaac is the product of an impotent father and a menopause mother. In reality and even in theory, it is impossicant that an impotent father and a menopause mother would possibly give birth to a child, but Abraham and Sarah's case is different, and so how their child Isaac, the son of promise, birth circumstance is unique, and why Isaac is referred to as Abraham's only begotten son, inspite of having an elder brother Ishmael.

Jesus coming into being and birthed without an involvement of any earthly father in His birth equation, but only God's, is what qualified Him to be called the "the only begotten Son" of God. The sort or type of birth is not just only in a class by itself, but is unrepeatable, meaning, not to be done or seen again.

ichuka, you're correct in saying no mixture of blood or flesh, because firstly, all babies get their blood from their father, not their mother, but Jesus' birth, remember has no earthly father involvement. Now secondly, the mother’s blood never mingles with that of the fetus, because one of the placenta's jobs is to make sure blood from the mother and fetus never mixes. Jesus' blood is a unique blood, it is a God breathed AB+ve, universal blood type. Alleulia!

***Monogenes 4:737,606****"
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
mon-og-en-ace' Adjective
Definition
single of its kind, only
used of only sons or daughters (viewed in
relation to their parents)
used of Christ, denotes the only begotten
son of God
King James Word Usage - Total: 9
only begotten 6, only 2, only child 1"

Ken4Christ:
*@1)
Have you honestly read every scripture that deals with eternal judgment and you conclude it doesn't teach about eternal torment for lost souls? While do you want prove that Adam and Eve was tortured before you believe over a hundred verses that points to eternal torment?

@**ii)
Am I the one that wrote verses of scriptures that clearly points to eternal place of destruction? Or you want to pretend you don't know any of such scriptures?

*@iii
You are wicked and your punishment will be worse than that of the devil himself.

Your "eternal torment" (*@1) and
"eternal place of destruction " (@**ii)
are very DIFFERENT & CONTRADICTORY like Night and Day. Very stark opposites.
Hellfire torture is NOT destruction, STOP fooling yourself.
Ken4 FALSEHOOD , I told you earlier that you came to NL to make a mockery of yourself.
All your insults and invectives are proof you're a brainwashed Pharisee spreading POO.

None of your pastorpreneurs can provide credible, scriptural answers to those 3 JAMB questions you FAILED WOEFULLY.
Your FALSEHOOD have been exposed.