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Ken4Christ:
You should be concerned about yourself and not Adam and Eve. Forget about the argument they give you in your Kingdom hall and read the entire Bible. Only a dishonest person will say there is no hell. The evidences of the scripture are so overwhelming that I have a whole book on it. You have been brainwashed and you can't reason straight again. It will be too late when you get in and you will remember how foolish you were.

*** 1Thess5:21

King James Bible
"PROVE ALL THINGS ; hold fast that which is
good."

**
ken4Christ is very DISHONEST !
You came to Nairaland to make a mockery of yourself.
ken4Christ just dey yarn okpata !
* You must know where you're coming from before you know your final destination....
***
Ken wey no brainwash, wey know entire Bible well well,
Answer these questions ,you dey dodge....
@1)
Na where Lazarus tell you say him dey
enjoy before Jesus resurrected him?

@2
Where the scriptures that Adam and
Eve were tortured in hellfire?
@3
Or Sodom and Gomorrah were tortured
in hellfire?
**

benjibabs:
The bold portion caught my attention. Read the verses below and pay particular attention to verse 6.

Philippians 2:5-8 Good News Translation (GNT)

5 The attitude you should have is the one that Christ Jesus had:

6 He always had the nature of God,
but he did not think that by force he should try to remain[a] equal with God.
7 Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had,
and took the nature of a servant.
He became like a human being
and appeared in human likeness.
8 He was humble and walked the path of obedience all the way to death—
his death on the cross.

I)
New American Bible:
"Your attitude must be that of Christ:
Though he was in the form of God, he did
not deem equality with God something to be
grasped at[harpagmos]."

**11)
American Translation :
Have the same attitude that Christ Jesus
had. Though he possessed the nature of
God, he did not grasp at[harpagmos]
equality with God."

***111)
Weymouth :
"The attitude you should have is the one
that Christ Jesus had. He always had the
very nature of God. Yet he did not think that
by force[harpagmos] he should try to
become equal with God."

***1V)
The Emphatic Diaglott :
"Let this disposition be in you, which was
also in Christ Jesus, who, though being in
God's form, did not meditate a usurpation
[harpagmos] to be like God."


* Benjibabs,@ Phil2:9, why would God exalt Jesus if there was equality?

@ Phil 2:6, Jesus did NOT think or try to be equal to God. John14:28.
**Jesus PROVED he is inferior to God (John14:28. 20:17) by receiving Power and Authority from his God and Father. Matt 28:18. Rev 3:12,21.

benjibabs:
The bold portion caught my attention. Read the verses below and pay particular attention to verse 6.

Philippians 2:5-8 Good News Translation (GNT)

5 The attitude you should have is the one that Christ Jesus had:

6 He always had the nature of God,
but he did not think that by force he should try to remain[a] equal with God.

Benjijabs, pls, reason on these points....

@1)
Did Paul in Phil2:5,6 contradict Jesus Christ in John 14:28 ?
Ephesians 4:6. 1:3,17. 3:14,15. Paul says NO.
*FACT:
# Trinitarian translators of the Bible TWISTED Phil 2:6.

**2).
Matt 28:18, "Power and Authority in heaven and earth was GIVEN to Jesus Christ, By whom?
If Jesus Christ is equal with his God, is it not POINTLESS to receive Power and Authority ?


**3)
Jesus Christ is God's son on earth and inferior to his Father John14:28, is he God's son in heaven? John20:17. Rev 3:5,12,21. Yes.
Since he is God's son,does John14:28 apply in the spirit realm ? Rev 3:5,12,21. Yes.
Remember his God & Father's command:
"Sit at my right hand..... ". 1 Cor 15:24-27. 11:3.

[quote author=Ken4Christ pst=83493763]Hell is real and the scripture is so clear about it unless you just want to deny it in spite of the evidences contained in the scripture.[/quote]Which evidences?
Na where Lazarus tell you say him dey enjoy before Jesus resurrected him?
Where the scriptures that Adam and Eve were tortured in hellfire?
Or Sodom and Gomorrah were tortured in hellfire?
ken4Christ just dey yarn okpata !

malvisguy212:
shallow minded man.

John 12:49,50, your "God" can not think for himself.... ...

John7:16 is there in your Bible.....
John7:16, did God send himself?
Whose message did your "God" teach?
You are not a shallow man, malvisguy212 answer both questions and stop deceiving yourself.

Righteousness89:
That's the Reason HE Made the Greatest and Most Precious Gift on Earth Free..

Salvation Through JESUS CHRIST is The Greatest and Most Valuable gift In the Universe. That's all you need to Access Eternal Life.

Just Imagine if it could be bought , The likes of Bill gate, the Saudi and Qatar royals, Dangote, Warren buffet, and this political Criminals in Nigeria would have long Purchased it all for themselves and Generation unborn!

Righteousness89 ANSWER:
"That's the Reason HE Made the Greatest and Most Precious Gift on Earth Free..

Salvation Through JESUS CHRIST is The Greatest and Most Valuable gift In the Universe. That's all you need to Access Eternal Life."


*****
In other words, God tortures His Children in hellfire because "salvation /Eternal Life" is a free gift".
ANSWER =Radarada .......
Mhiz Stephani3e, are you satisfied with their radarada answers?

Why not ask them to show you Biblical proof that :

1)
the first sinners, Adam and Eve , were tortured in hellfire?

2)
Sodom and Gomorrah were tortured in hellfire?

3)
the wicked world of Noah's day were tortured in hellfire?

4)
Mhiz Stephani3e, what's God's punishment on King Pharaoh, king Herod, Ananias & Saphirra, Adam and Eve? Exodus 15:4,5. Genesis 3:19. Acts12:21-23. Acts5:4-6,9,10. Romans6:23

5)
What is God's precedent of punishment for unrepentant sinners? 2Thess1:7-9. Jude1:5,7.

BluntBoy:
Many of you talk like this because you are either uneducated or you have never worked with traumatic people before.

What she has done is something close to CBT which is one of the most effective therapy for managing post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

Many retired soldiers and victims of natural disasters are helped using CBT.

The difference between CBT and what Ese did is that Ese's was more like a simplified desensitization.

Bros, indomie generation boku for NL.
Their brain never reach that level or experience to understand the solid points you made.
Thumbs up,Bros.

titigenius:
I hate when fools quote me and clearly you're one. Insult me all you want it doesn't change this truth

Nonsensical POO.
Your 4 fingers points back at you.

Ihedinobi3:
Hello solite3.

As you know, I completely agree with your position, however, the above is not exactly correct.

First off, Isaiah 9:6 is poorly translated regarding "everlasting Father." The correct rendering is "Father of Eternity." That is what the Lord Jesus is. You can see this borne out in 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 in light of Revelation 20:11-21:1. That is, at the end of time, the Lord Jesus will destroy this Creation, judge all Millennial Believers for their eternal rewards and all unbelievers in order to consign them to the Lake of Fire, then create a new Universe that is without any trace of unrighteousness (2 Peter 3:10-13) to which the Father will return and over which He will rule eternally. Theologically, this is called the Eternal State.

In other words, it is the Messiah - who the Bible tells us is the Lord Jesus - Who will bring about or "birth" Eternity. He will conclude the events of time with His Awesome Judgment at the Great White Throne and create a new Creation for the Eternal State. That is why He is called the Father of Eternity.

You can see then that this does not mean that He is regarded as the Father of believers, or of anyone really. Consider the following verses:

[29]For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren...
Romans 8:29 NASB

[10]For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings.
[11]For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,
[12]saying, "I will proclaim Your name to My brethren, In the midst of the congregation I will sing Your praise."
[13]And again, "I will put My trust in Him." And a gain, "Behold, I and the children whom God has given Me."
[14]Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
[15]and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.
[16]For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham.
[17]Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
[18]For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.
Hebrews 2:10-18 NASB

So, the Scriptures do not present the Messiah as our Father. They present Him as our Brother. In His Deity, of course, He is our Father, since He created us, and sustains us, and rules over us. But in His Humanity, which He shares with us, He is one of us, our Brother, the Prince-leader of our Faith.

These are important distinctions to make.

Cheers.

"Everlasting Father" is NOT a poor Translation. Make you no dey LIE.

13]And again, "I will put My trust in Him." And a gain, "Behold, I and the children whom God has given Me."
Your "Father of Eternity" who was given Power and Authority and children by his God, (1 Cor15:24-28) is now your "triune God".
Your " triune God'" have many brethrens on earth.
Wonderful !!
Wetin Musa no go see for gate ?

OLAADEGBU:
True. Christians are persecuted for the right reasons while JWs just impersonators. They don't even believe in being that they are going to be rewarded in heaven. It's a pity that they just make gullible folks twice the children of hell.

What a clown!
Hell where Jesus Christ went to. Acts 2:25-27.

Matthew 5 :1-5.New International Version (NIV)

5 Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went
up on a mountainside and sat down. His
disciples came to him, 2 and he began to
teach them.
The Beatitudes
He said:
**3
“Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4
Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
**5
Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth."

OLAADEGBU, according to Jesus Christ,
(vs 3,5) what will the meek inherit?

Kumuyi worshippers, you are NOT on the same page with Jesus Christ.
Solid proof you don't know him, OLA D Pretender.

Matt7:21-23, Jesus Christ says he's will disappoint you and your gods of men.
You dey deceive yourself.

[quote author=Janosky post=83436642][/quote]

Bondatt:
Not one damn answer to any question. What a joke.

Not one attempt to disprove my points.

That u affiliated with the UN whom JW calls wild beast for 10 years. I provided the link in my previous post from guardian news media to back it up.

That the organization were in court in Australia for covering and refusing to coperate with police on 1006 child sexual abuse cases. Imagine the number. Again I provided link. With ur governing body member lying on live television.

That ur organization teaches that Jesus is mediator for only 144,000 (Watchtower 1979 Apr 1 p.31)
When the bible clearly says "… one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all."( 1 Timothy 2:5,6)

That 607 bce is false date of Jerusalem destruction as cuineiform tablets from Babylon has show 586/586 bce to be the date.

Bondatt of HOGWASH !

How many rapists in your neighborhood and in your home town you done go report to Police ?

Rape no happen for your community in the 1940's?
Go and prosecute it before you come NL to expose your hypocrisy.
Australian Commission matter is an over flogged issue. What's the history of Australia's legislation on rape/sexual assault?
There was NO COVER UP by JWs...
You want to use Legislation of 2001 to judge events that predated the 1940s....
Your sense is intact indeed !
The Australian Commission was set up to address their societal malaise, not a Legal Trial of JWs.
It's sheer hypocrisy to single out JWs for attack over that matter.

*** JWs are correct about 607 BCE, take it or leave it.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011736


****
Over time, Laws ,Institutional Procedures and Regulations are subject to change. The UNO Library is no exception.

The UNO Library matter is a non issue, just another food done for 'Bondatt' and his ilk who gets an ere.ction whenever they hear the name "Jehovah Witness"

OkCornel:
Perhaps this verse might help sort out this trinity dispute;

Matthew 1 v 23;
“Behold, the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call Him Immanuel” (which means, “God with us”)

Jehu= Jehovah is He.
Elias= Jehovah is God.
Oga mi, so, what's your point?

Mary give "birth to a son, and they will call Him Immanuel” (which means, “ God with us ”).
In other words "Mary is the Mother of God with us"
Sir, do you subscribe to the Catholic belief?

*

petra1:
I know news like these tickle you. God forgive your carnal mind. I'm committed to the body of christ . While carnal minded people like you join the enemy satan to attack the body before the world Instead of building it.

OLAADEGBU:
(Matthew 24:4-5).

I can see that you've been deceived by the false christs and prophets that you have as your leaders. One is fondly referred to as Christ Oyakhilome by Joagbaje who is one of his disciples and another is called prophet TB Joshua. Joshua is also a name of Christ meaning Saviour.

OLAADEGBU:
Is she worse than the nollywood actors/actresses in the Synagogue of satan?

"Spirit filled" dey condemn "spirit filled".
Wetin Musa no go see for gate?

OLAADEGBU:
[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=83451519]I knew you would come here to justify your charlatan 'pastors' such as TB Joshua and Chris Oyakhilome, since you are all in the business together. The cat is already let out of the bag. Repent therefore, the day of reckoning is at hand.

OLAADEGBU:
Is she worse than the nollywood actors/actresses in the Synagogue of satan?

"Spirit filled" dey condemn "spirit filled. Wetin Musa no go see for gate?

ngwababe:
Fire burn things to ashes but then still read that Revelation 20 I quoted for you. My brother hell is real, and there shall be torments and gnashing of teeth.

Adam went to hellfire?
Sodom and Gomorrah went to hellfire?
Nwa ngwa, kedu?

Maximus69:
Many of our people only listen to white Apostates and Gbam! They're confused.

I'm 100% sure that this Bondatt of a guy must have spent several hours swallowing lots of craps from white Apostates. Many of them are good in assisting twisted minds to go astray!

But he doesn't realize that intelligence matters mostly when dealing with the white.

I once met a white Apostate on social media, he was a missionary and he has served in so many lands.

He was so confident of what white Apostates like himself had fed, he quote them without a second thought, forgetting that (if you're quoting the documents of those guys against that of the GB of Jehovah's witnesses, then it's UNINSPIRED documents versus another UNINSPIRED documents so no superiority. What counts afterwards is reputation and achievement.) that was the first thing i "Maximus" told him. Then i tactfully asked him "i've been with Jehovah's witnesses for some times now and i've seen what they're able to do with people of different races. Can you show me the achievements of these other guys?

We both spent two days chatting, and by the end i discovered that my old guy left Jehovah's organization annoyingly because he wasn't appointed to be a member of the governing body!

At the end he said "Truthfully speaking you're damn intelligent, because you made me shed tears with your persuasion. Yes! My two sons are still serving as elders in their respective congregations, but i can't just go back and sit before those young guys called congregation elders. I know they can help me but it's too late!"

That was the first time i also shed tears because of someone i can't see, he actually sent me his picture and those of his sons. What brought tears out of his eyes is when i told him "i'm still studying".
Before then he also threatened to report me to the branch, i sent my pictures, address, mobile number, email address, Facebook account, Instagram and so on. Then he was confused and ask "don't you know you're going to face a judicial panel for this?"

Then i told him "my conductor told me that is not necessary when i'm yet to baptize" then he realized he's been chatting with a smart and intelligent UNBAPTIZED Bible student!

He was the person that got me fully prepared for amateur Apostates like Bondatt, because
i asked my conductor "what happens after a judicial panel is set up?" (If i commit a grievous sin)

his response "you may be reproved or completely disfellowshiped"

I asked further "so they'll stop me from entering the kingdom hall?"

His response "NOBODY CAN STOP ANYBODY FROM ENTERING GOD'S HOUSE"

Further "So what if i continue attending meetings?"

Response "no! You can't cheat us, you will be reinstated to continue your work in the field as long as you're willing to stay. No matter what you do, because only Jehovah can determined those who will enter Paradise, so you must continue your work"

That's when i realized that there is no deceit in this organization!

Hallelujah..... .
Gbagam !!!!!!!!

johnw47:
Father calling Jesus "God" torments you greatly, it goes against what your mob tells you to believe
and so you change God's word in favour of satan's word

you change "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever"
to: "God is thy throne for ever and ever"
and all to deny the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ:

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Mumu Pharisees Johnw FRAUD, your 'God' was anointed by his Supreme God, Heb1:9.
Your fellow Trinitarians have confirmed Johnw FRAUD theorist is a LIAR.
Read the 10 EVIDENCES here @1 to **@10)
@1.
Also, if we look at some respected
trinitarian authorities, we also see a
preference for the “God is thy throne”
rendering.
Oxford professor and famous trinitarian
Bible translator, Dr. James Moffatt, has
been described as “probably the greatest
biblical scholar of our day.” His respected
Bible translation renders Heb. 1:8 as:
“ God is thy throne for ever and ever.”

2)*
University of Cambridge professor and
noted New Testament language scholar, Dr.
C. F. D. Moule writes that Heb. 1:8 may be
“construed so as to mean Thy throne is
God” - p. 32, An Idiom Book of New
Testament Greek, Cambridge University
Press, 1990 printing.

**3)
An American Translation (Smith-
Goodspeed), renders it: “God is your
throne....”
And The Bible in Living English (Byington)
reads: “God is your throne....”
The Message reads: “ Your throne is God’s
throne….”
NSB - God is your throne
Mace - "God is thy throne ….”
Twentieth Century Translation - ‘ God is thy
throne….’

**(4)**
Another world-acclaimed scholar of
trinitarian Christendom has translated this
verse similarly and made some interesting
comments. Trinitarian Dr. William Barclay,
“world-renowned Scottish New Testament
interpreter, was noted as a profound
scholar and a writer of extraordinary gifts
.... He was the minister of Trinity Church,
Renfrew, Scotland, and, later, Professor of
Divinity and Biblical Criticism at the
University of Glasgow.”
Dr. Barclay, in his translation of the New
Testament, has also rendered Hebrews 1:8
as : “ God is your throne for ever and ever.”


***(5)**
Noted trinitarian (Southern Baptist) New
Testament Greek scholar Dr. A. T.
Robertson acknowledges that either “God is thy throne”/“thy throne is God” may be proper renderings:
“Either makes good sense.” - p. 339, Word
Pictures in the New Testament .Broadman
Press, 1960.-

***(6)
The American Standard Version (ASV), the
Revised Standard Version (RSV), the New
Revised Standard Version (NRSV), and The
New English Bible (NEB) have provided
alternate readings to the traditional
trinitarian rendering of the KJV at Hebrews
1:8. These alternate readings (found in
footnotes) agree with Dr. Moffatt’s, Dr.
Barclay’s, Smith-Goodspeed’s, Byington’s,
and the New World Translation ’s renderings
of this scripture (“ God is your throne ”).

****(7)**
Even Young’s Concise Bible Commentary
(written by the famous trinitarian author of
Young’s Analytical Concordance to the
Bible) admits: “[Heb. 1:8] may be justly
rendered ‘ God is thy throne ...’ in either
case it is applicable to the mediatorial
throne only.”

**(**
Quoted From Ps. 45*
In addition to these admissions by
trinitarian translators concerning Heb. 1:8,
we need to look back at the Old Testament
Hebrew scripture (Ps. 45:6) that Paul was
quoting when he wrote Heb. 1:8.
The RSV renders it as “Your Divine throne”
and a footnote provides this alternate
reading: “Or ‘your throne is a throne of
God.’”
The NEB says: “Your throne is like God’s
throne.”
The Holy Sc riptures (JPS version) says:
“Thy throne given of God.”
The Bible in Living English (Byington) says:
“God is your throne.”
New International Reader’s Version ( NIRV):
“ Your throne is the very throne of God.”
The Good News Bible (GNB), a very
trinitarian paraphrase Bible, renders it: “The
kingdom
that God has given you will last forever and
ever.”
The REB has: “God has enthroned you for
all eternity.”
The NJB gives us: “your throne is from
God.”
Leeser - Thy throne, given of God, endureth
for ever
We also see the following statement by
respected trinitarian scholars in a footnote
for this passage:
“45:6 . Possibly the king’s throne is
called God’s throne because he is God’s
appointed regent.
- Ps. 45:6 f.n. in the NIV Study Bible.
In addition to the above renderings by
many respected translators (most of whom
are trinitarian), we have the statement by
perhaps the greatest scholar of Biblical
Hebrew of all time, H. F. W. Gesenius. In
his famous and highly respected Hebrew
and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament
Gesenius renders Ps. 45:6, “thy throne
shall be a divine throne.”

( **9)
Obviously, then, the charge sometimes
made that the NWT is “not being honest or
scholarly” with its rendering of Heb. 1:8 is
simply untrue, and it certainly may be
honestly translated “God is your throne
forever.”
Just the admission by so many trinitarian
translators (above) that Heb. 1:8 may be
honestly translated as it is in the NWT
makes any insistence by other trinitarians
that this scripture is acceptable evidence
for a trinity doctrine completely invalid!
Even famed Southern Baptist New
Testament Greek scholar Dr. A. T.
Robertson admits:
“: ‘ God is thy
throne’ or ‘Thy throne is God.’ Either makes
good sense .” - p. 339, Vol. 5, Word
Pictures in the New Testament , Broadman
Press, 1960.

@**10)
However, there is more evidence, evidence
which shows not only that Heb. 1:8 may be
honestly translated “God is your throne,”
but, indeed, should be so translated!
Notice the context. Heb. 1:8 and 1:9 are
being quoted from Ps. 45:6 and 45:7. In
Ps. 45:7, speaking to the Israelite king, it
says:
“Therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness above your
fellows.” - RSV.
Just as this makes it clear that the ancient
Israelite king was not God but was anointed
by God, HIS God, to a position above his
fellows, so does Heb. 1:9, as figuratively
applied to Jesus, show that he is not God,
but was anointed by his God to a position
above his fellows! Context, then, shows that
the person addressed in Heb. 1:8 is not
God, but one who worships God and was
anointed by his God!"

Ken4Christ:
The worst of their teachings is the denial of the existence of hell which is clearly revealed in the Bible.
.

Apostle of hellfire ,where did God punish the first pair of sinners ,Adam and Eve?

OLAADEGBU:
www.livingwaters.com

"How can one witness to a Jehovah's Witness? They know so much about the bible and even revered Jesus but they don't believe that Jesus is God." Rocio Soto

I make it a habit not to try and convince a Jehovah's Witness that Jesus is God in human form. There are two reasons for this.

The first is that they have their own version of the Bible that removes references to the true nature of Jesus.

Second, when Jesus asked Peter "Who do you say that I am?" Jesus said to him that flesh and blood hadn't revealed that truth to him, but "my Father who is in Heaven." God is the one who reveals who Jesus is, so I leave that up to Him.



Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 11 May 2014

This same write up in crosswalk.com is where OLAADEGBU lifted his fable ,
"There's a knife in my back and I have three minutes to live"

Plagiarists everywhere !!!!
CC: Maximus69.

OLAADEGBU FRAUD theorist, what is " the true nature of Jesus" which the Father in heaven revealed to Simon Peter?

Kolping:
What is a cult

http://www.letusreason.org/Cults1.htm

Throughout the old and New Testament we are warned of false teaching and teachers. Here are only a few references. False teachers in Isa.8:2 false prophets in Deut.13 and 18. Jesus warned of false prophets and teachers in Mt.7:15, Mt.24:23-24; Mk.13:6,21-22. we are warned by Paul in 2 Cor. 11:14; Gal.1:8-9; Col.2:8-9; 2 Thess. 2, 1 Tim.1:3-4,4:1-2. By Peter in 1 Pt.5:8-9,2 Pt.2:1-3. By John 1 Jn.2:18-23, 2 Cor. 4:1-5. Just about every book of the Bible mentions a warning of error and falsehood.

There are two categories of cults, non -Christian and Christian cults. The Christian cult claims to have the truth of Christ and salvation but they deny one or more of the core doctrines of the Christian faith. To simplify an identification of a Christian cult it would be noticeable in several categories. Who is Jesus, the way of salvation, what is your final source of authority and how they relate to others. They want to call themselves Christian without adhering to the tenets of the historic "doctrinal " faith. They change the major core teachings to mean something other than they are defined in the Bible and by the history of the church. The cults do not agree with the historic (Biblical) Christian faith.

What are some of the teachings that cults hold in common?

1. THEY DEIFY MAN
TEACHING THAT MAN MAY BECOME GOD, OR IS A PART OF GOD. MAN NEEDS TO BE A PART OF A CERTAIN GROUP OR CHURCH TO LEARN NEW REVELATION OR KNOWLEDGE TO PROGRESS TO GODHOOD. SOMEONE, USUALLY THE LEADER WILL SAY THEY ARE GOD OR HAS THE CHRIST SPIRIT IN A GREATER WAY. THAT THEY ARE COMMISSIONED OR APPOINTED TO BE THE LEADER BY GOD.

2.THEY HUMANIZE GOD
SOME GROUPS DENY THAT GOD IS ETERNAL. SOME BELIEVE IN MANY GODS, OR THAT ALL IS GOD (PANTHEISM). OTHER GROUPS SUCH AS JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES TEACH THAT GOD'S NATURE OR STATE OF BEING MUST BE UNDERSTOOD AND REASONABLE TO BE TRUE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF FINITE MAN CANNOT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING ABOUT GOD THEN IT IS NOT TRUE. THIS TECHNIQUE SUBTLY ELEVATES MAN'S MENTAL ABILITY TO THAT OF GOD.

3.THEY MINIMIZE OR ELIMINATE SIN
THE BIBLICAL CONCEPT OF SIN IS NOT TAUGHT, OR IS COMPLETELY ELIMINATED BY SOME GROUPS. THIS IS SEEN IN CHRISTIAN SCIENCE, MIND SCIENCE, RELIGIOUS SCIENCE, AND NEW AGE GROUPS. MEANINGS THAT ARE BIBLICAL ARE CHANGED TO THEIR OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO THE CONTEXT OR ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE AUTHOR..

4.THEY MINIMIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE BIBLE
MOST ORGANIZED HERESIES (CULTS) USE "ANOINTED" INFORMATION, BOOKS, MAGAZINES OR SCRIPTURES. THESE ARE BELIEVED TO BE JUST AS OR MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE BIBLE. THEY ARE INDISPENSABLE IN UNDERSTANDING THE BIBLE. SOME GROUPS STRONGLY DISCOURAGE THEIR MEMBERS FROM READING THE BIBLE ALONE, AND SOME DO NOT BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD ALONE. OTHERS USE THE BIBLE WITH THEIR OWN UNIQUE INTERPRETATION UNKNOWN EVER IN THE CHURCH HISTORY OR ALIGN THEMSELVES WITH WHAT WAS CONSIDERED HERESY.

5. THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY OF SALVATION
MANY ORGANIZED HERESIES TEACH A "GRACE PLUS WORKS" SALVATION. MANY TEACH THAT MAN POSSESSES AT LEAST SOME ABILITY TO EARN ETERNAL LIFE BY THEIR OWN WORKS BY GRACE PERFECTED THROUGH THEIR WORKS. SALVATION BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN THE FINISHED WORK OF JESUS CHRIST ON CALVARY IS DENIED. THE CROSS IS NOT SUFFICIENT. A SYSTEM OF GOOD WORKS, DICTATED BY THE GROUP, HELPS THE MEMBERS EARN ETERNAL LIFE . MEMBERSHIP IN THEIR ORGANIZATION OR CHURCH IS A REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION IN MOST OF THESE CULTS.

6. THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT JESUS
VIRTUALLY ALL ORGANIZED HERESIES DENY THE DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST, THEY TEACH THAT JESUS IS NOT THE TRUE GOD MANIFEST IN HUMAN FORM BUT SOMETHING LESS, SUCH AS A CREATED BEING, AN ANGEL, A PROPHET, AN ASCENDED MASTER OR JUST "a god" (SECONDARY). SOME TEACH WE TOO CAN BE THE VERY SAME AS JESUS. IN THIS WAY THEY CHANGE THE CLEAR TEACHING OF THE BIBLE OF HIM BEING THE UNIQUE (ONLY BEGOTTEN) SON OF GOD.

7. THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT SPIRIT
MOST ORGANIZED HERESIES TEACH THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT GOD BUT AN IMPERSONAL FORCE OR ENERGY THAT EMANATES FROM GOD TO PERFORM CERTAIN FUNCTIONS, MUCH LIKE THE ENERGY FLOWING FROM A BATTERY TO START A CAR. SOME TEACH THAT IT PERMEATES EVERYTHING AND WE CAN BREATHE IT IN. PRACTICES OF SPIRITISM INCLUDING VISITS BY SPIRIT BEINGS ARE COMMON IN THE NEW AGE AND THEY HAVE COUNTERFEIT MIRACLES TO VALIDATE THEMSELVES.

8. THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE THE ONLY TRUE CHURCH
THE ONE MARK OF AN ORGANIZED HERESY THAT IS THE MOST COMMON IS THEIR CLAIM TO BE THE ONLY GROUP OR CHURCH ORDAINED BY GOD. THEY ALONE SPEAK FOR GOD ON EARTH TODAY. GOD DIRECTS ONLY THEIR ORGANIZATION, OR CHURCH. THIS IS DONE EITHER THROUGH A LEADER WHO HAS ALL THE SAY OR A GROUP. IF ANYONE COMES TO YOU CLAIMING THEY REPRESENT THE ONLY TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST OR GOD, AND DENY THAT ANYONE ELSE OUTSIDE THEMSELVES CAN BE PART, YOU CAN BE SURE THAT THEY ARE NOT FROM GOD. ALL CHRISTIAN CHURCHES WILL RECOGNIZE OTHERS THAT HOLD THE SAME CORE TEACHINGS THAT THEY DO, THAT WERE ALWAYS PART OF THE HISTORIC CHRISTIAN FAITH.

THE CORE BELIEFS UNITE ONE IN CHRIST AS THERE IS A CERTAIN CRITERIA FOR BIBLICAL DOCTRINE. THIS HAS BEEN HELD SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE SCRIPTURES WRITTEN BY THE APOSTLES AND TAUGHT BY THE CHURCH.

kolping POO. TRASH. HOGWASH !
Your (1) is your hypocrisy.
"....USUALLY THE LEADER....HAS THE CHRIST SPIRIT IN A GREATER WAY. THAT THEY ARE COMMISSIONED OR APPOINTED TO BE THE LEADER BY GOD."
You came to this public forum to condemn the same claims that your pastorpreneurs make on the altar of his "business centre"(AKA church).
Congrats,Bro
Let's talk about your (6).
According to Jesus Christ, who is the only true God?

Kolping:
The Jesus of the Cults and religions

Another Jesus

Today's new spirituality does include Jesus, but he is not the Jesus of Scripture. He is another Jesus who is appreciated by mystics and Gnostics alike. He is accepted by the other religions as a great teacher, an enlightened spiritual master, but not the Son of God, God in the flesh, the only Savior from our sins, and only way to the Father.

God is the only way to God?
Kolping, true or false. Pls reply.

blueAgent:
You keep contractdicting yourself none of this Bible verses means what you intend it to mean if nothing else they expose your lie that Begotten means firsts.
E.g
By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a
sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to
sacrifice his one and only son,

But we know that Isaac was
not the first son of Abraham, it was Ishmael who was the first son of Abraham.

Rather than mean the First Son the word 'Begotten' means Isaac was the legitimate official Son of Abraham.

In that same vain Jesus is the legitimate official unique special and beloved Son of God.

Just like Isaac was recognized as Abraham's only begotten son despite him having Ishmael because Isaac was a child of convenant who was Begotten by Abraham.

So also Jesus is recognized as the only Begotten Son of God despite God having trillions of Angels and Man that are also called Sons of God.

It grieved Abraham to scarifice his Son to God, so also it grieved the heart of God to give his only Begotten son as a scarifice for humanity.

Isaac is the FIRST legitimately born son of his Father Abraham. He was granted the privilege that other children of Abraham NEVER had.
Greek monogenes, the only child is also the FIRST born of his parents.
The only begotten son is the FIRST child among his Father's children to be granted the privilege that wasn't given to other children of his Father.
Psalms 89:20,27. Hebrews 2:7. 1:5,6.
KJV usage of "monogenes" is FAULTLESS.
Bros,no dull yourself.

" ****Monogenes 4:737,606****"
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
mon-og-en-ace' Adjective
Definition
single of its kind, only
used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God
King James Word Usage - Total: 9
only begotten 6, only 2, only child 1"

Bondatt:
People under mind control don't know they are under mind control. See how you are barking when no one is chasing .

See how narrow minded you are, you think every one belongs to a religious group.

I have laid bare my arguments, the onus lies on you to rebuff them.

You'll one day turn back to see how brain washed you are. For now enjoy your mental slavery.

You are disobeying "divine" instruction by engaging in arguments in this forum. You should be counseled strongly, marked, reproved or even disfellowshipped.

As for Maximus. He'll answer for his crime. I've sent the letter already. Una never see chumchin

I'm proudly JW, still studying His word the Holy Bible,guided by His Holy spirit and sticking to Jehovah's righteous standards in a depraved world under the control of Jehovah's enemy. 1john5:19.
If that's your so called "mental slavery" , oga mi, please ,quantirinu to enjoy your delicious delusion.
Shalom

blueAgent:
So we're is it written that First means to be begotton in the dictionary meaning?

*** Hebrews 11:17.
New International Version
By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son,

New Living Translation
It was by faith that Abraham offered Isaac as a sacrifice when God was testing him. Abraham, who had received God’s promises, was ready to sacrifice his only son, Isaac,

English Standard Version
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was in the act of offering up his only son,

Berean Study Bible
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac on the altar. He who had received the promises was ready to offer his one and only son,

Berean Literal Bible
By faith Abraham, being tested, has offered up Isaac. Even the one having received the promises was offering up his only begotten son,

New American Standard Bible
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son;

New King James Version
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

King James Bible
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

Christian Standard Bible
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac. He received the promises and yet he was offering his one
and only son,"

Bros, how many times did KJV translate " monogenes " ?
Abeg,count am and check am again...

blueAgent:
You mean that God so loved the World that he gave us an Angel posing as a son.


1. "For God so loved the world that He gave His only
begotten Son , that whoever believes in Him should not
perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16.

Check your Bible from Genesis to Revelation,which spiritual beings has God always sent from heaven to fulfill his assignments on earth?
Who are the sons of God in heaven?
Who is designated to lead other sons of God to put an end to wickedness on earth?2thess1:7-9.

blueAgent:
John 1:3 contains two direct statements that tell us that it
was the preexistent Jesus who created all things. “All things
were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made
that was made.” Notice that John is not content to say only
that all things were made through Him, but John adds the fact
that “without Him nothing was made.”
Paul confirms exactly what John wrote: “For by Him all things
were created.” Paul goes on to make sure that we understand
what he means by all things—”that are in heaven and that are
on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or
principalities or powers. All things were created through Him
and for Him” (Colossians 1:16).
Since Jesus created all things, He could not have been one of
the “created things.” Paul then adds, so there can be no
mistake, “He is before all things, and in him all things hold
together” (Colossians 1:17 , NIV).
Dr. Norman Geisler comments: “The context of this passage
makes it clear that there are no exceptions; Christ is the
Creator of all things including angels and everything visible or
invisible. Nowhere is this made more clear that Christ is not a
creature—angelic or otherwise—than in the relation of angels
to Him. Since Christ could not be both the Creator of
everything and at the same time a creature Himself, it is
necessary to conclude that He is Himself the uncreated
Creator of all creation” ( Christian Apologetics, 1988, p. 338).
He adds a footnote: “In view of the clear teaching that Christ
is Creator and not a creature, the Arian misinterpretations of
phrases like Christ is ‘firstborn’ (Colossians 1:15 ) or ‘beginning
of creation’ (Revelation 3:14) are wrong. Christ is ‘firstborn’ in
the sense of being the unique (not created) Son of God. Christ
is first over creation, not first in it” (ibid.).
Micah 5:2 stated that the messianic King to come was “from
everlasting.” Jesus had appeared in His divine life before His
human birth as the priest-king Melchizedek (see Hebrews 7),
“having neither beginning of days nor end of life” (Micah 5:3).

Bros,from Genesis to Revelation, anywhere you see this word "BORN" , that's clear proof the Subject or Individual ORIGINATED from a Superior Source.
The beginning of pangs of birth pains DOESN'T mean the Source of birth pains.
Did Jesus Christ creat his Father?
In the Oldest Greek MSS, the words: '"the head over " NEVER exists in Colossians 1:15.
It was inserted by Bible Translators to support the Trinity.

"The firstborn of every creature" (KJV) is too sweet and accurate ! Gbam !!!!
The KJV refutes Dr Geisler's false claims.

Dr Norman Geissler is intellectually dishonest !
BlueAgent, you have staunchly said Jesus Christ is the son of God,not Trinity.
Now,you are bringing a Trinitarian claim to the table. .
My people say "Bros, urinate for one place make eee foam."

blueAgent:
@1)
when did dictionary start defining Begotten as first Son or Daughter ?

Was Isaac Abraham's first Child? but the Bible says he was BEGOTTEN by Abraham.

No we're in the Bible is Begotten referred to as been the first child of someone if that be the case the Bible would not have told us that Jesus was the First showing that he was first among many others that were Begotten.

@2)

Where in the Bible are Angels call God or are said to be in the FORM(class,nature, species) of God?

Note my words:
" It's unique privilege to be firstborn or only begotten. It's never by choice."

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3439 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
monogenhvß from (3441) and (1096)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Monogenes 4:737,606
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
mon-og-en-ace' Adjective
Definition
single of its kind, only
used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God
King James Word Usage - Total: 9
only begotten 6, only 2, only child 1"

*** (2).
What is the form/nature of everyone dwelling in heaven?
What is the form/nature of everyone dwelling on earth?
Your answer solves the popular notorious twisting of Philippians 2:6,7

brocab:
{Matthew 7:6} Jesus said: “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
Spirituality speaking is this..

If you know about spirituality, let's confirm...
If you really know Jesus Christ, who did Jesus say is "the only true God"?

blueAgent:
So using your logic Abraham did not beget Isaac?
Matthew 1:2-17
2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob
begat Judas and his brethren;

I guess the word beget there is an Idiom

Bros, the Jews said:
Jehovah begat the mountains.
Jehovah begat Israel.
Jehovah begat Jesus.
Please, feel free to argue with them and teach them the meaning of words in their own language.
Wahala no dey.
Shalom.

blueAgent:
Keep confusing yourself.

Israelites are living beings so the word beget or born means to bear or create.

But in the case of Jesus God himself told us that Jesus is his son Begotten by him and that Jesus is called God and should also be worshipped, here we have more than enough evidence to prove that Jesus was BEGOTTEN by God.

Bros,confusion no dey.
The only child of his parents is "only begotten", he/she is their firstborn. It's unique privilege to be firstborn or only begotten. It's never by choice.
It is in that context,the Jews understand that term.

Jesus Christ says he is a God,man too is a God. Angel is a God. Men are partakers of divine nature too.
All of them were created in the image of God.
Jehovah bestowed Power, Authority and exalted name on Jesus.
No other being was granted such privilege.