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blueAgent:
That's false because the Bible does not allow us to make our on interpretation of words.
The word come out and come forth are not Idioms.

When we allow the Bible to explain itself we will see that God beget Jesus that explains why Jesus is called God and has God's nature .

The word begat sheds more light on the word come out and come forth that it means every single latter of what it means
You think God is a man that needs a woman and man to meet for them to bear children? that's naivety for one to limit God by using human understanding.

If God could create and design Amoeba and plants like plantains and bannana that reproduce through ASexual reproduction , that is they do not need a mate to reproduce than why is it impossible for God to procreate without a spouse?
https://sciencing.com/amoeba-reproduce-10005613.html

The Hebrew old testament says Jehovah begat Israel.... Bros "begat" is what it is -'begat'.
Jehovah begat the mountains.
Jehovah begat Israel.
Jehovah begat Jesus.
Bros, Jehovah CREATED them ALL.
Every life exists by creation
"Jesus Christ is "the first born of every creature", you garrit?
You are free to believe what you like Sha..
No qualms.
Shalom.

Bondatt:
Are you scared already? Why the long epistle?
I didn't make the rules, your organization did.
You are trying to use critical thinking to rationalize your viewpoint. Your organization discourages critical thinking. It's called independent thinking and satanic.
So all this your useless explanations should be saved for the elders when you are called

Maximum69 responses to your posts is solid proof you're have been lying on a public forum that JWs "discourage critical thinking".

It's a firm rebuttal of your lies and rejection of your falsehood.
Go ahead and report him nau.....
You sheepishly pay membership fees/dues in your church,(ooh oh you be pastorpreneur wey dey chop Church membership fees?
Jesus Christ NEVER paid church dues, neither did his followers.
JWs DO NOT pay membership fees/dues to anybody.
Will Jesus Christ tell his followers to feed on the junk of Pharisees?
You buy the sermons,tapes of junk from pastorpreneurs, you listen to them week in , week out, it's well.... hypocrite!!
You wey be independent thinker, climb your church pulpit during next sunday services and challenge your god of men pastorpreneurs... (like Martin Luther).
Reform their "businesses" and licentiousness in Christendom before you can stand on the moral high ground to remove the speck from Jehovah's servants.

johnw47:
"come out of-come forth from God" is not the same as "created by God"

Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 

God, of course posessed Wisdom-the Word-Jesus Christ, He didn't create Him,


adam didn't come out of-come forth from Father God, God(Father and the Word) made adam from the dust of the ground

Johnw FRAUD,why you dey disgrace yourself?
Trinity scam removed your brain...
Johnw FRAUD, Who made the dust of the ground?

**** Vocabulary.com Dictionary ***
come forth

Definitions of
come forth
1
* COME OUT OF
Synonyms:
Come out, egress, emerge, go forth, issue

* Happen or occur as a result of something
Synonyms:
emerge
Types:

come forth or begin from a state of latency
Type of:
arise, develop, grow, ORIGINATE, rise, spring up, uprise
COME INTO EXISTENCE ; take on form or shape

**. *** Johnw FRAUD , the gene of falsehood and FRAUD theorem was embedded in your blood before you COME FORTH from the womb.

Igbo man go say "Trinity FRAUD gbuo gi dia !!!!!"

The Trinity scam removed your sense & scrubbed your brain with POO.
*Spits*

blueAgent:
[/quote][quote author=blueAgent post=83244334]You see how you twist scripture to suit your fantasy.

Every word used in the Bible must be understood from the context it is been used.

Yalad means to bear, create, beget, born, brought forth

When it is applied to a living thing it means to give birth or beget but when it is applied to a non living thing logic should tell someone who is unbaised that it means to create or make. this is simple English that everyone understands except one that is biased.

Jehovah created Jesus, a living Spirit that is the express image of Him.

But Jehovah bore , bear, and begat mountains that are inanimate things.

How does that make sense to you?

[quote author=blueAgent post=83330541][/quote]Since God begat Israel not literally, likewise, God born the mountains not literally.

It's intellectual dishonesty to cherry pick Deut 32:18 to suit your preconceived ideas and in the same breath discard Psalms 90:2.

SOURCE :
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3205.htm :

Pu`al
יֻלַּד Genesis 4:26 Perfect. Judges18:29 ; יֻלָּד֨ Genesis 41:50 ; יוּלָּ֑ד
Genesis 6:1. 2 Samuel 3:2 (Qr וַיִּוָָּֽלְדוּ ‏) ;ֻלָּ֑דוּ Psalm 90:2 , etc.; "


* The Hebrew words "YALAD" & "QANAH" are synonymous. Both words apply to animate and inanimate creation. Compare Gen14:19. Prov8:22. Gen4:1.

*** Yahweh is the Creator & Father of ALL...,Yahweh has no wife or orifice from which living beings come forth.
"Come out " or Come Forth" are simply idioms which reference Yahweh as the Source of Life in heaven and earth.
Yahweh CREATED All, #But man procreates.

OLAADEGBU:
The reason JWs don't look forward to getting to heaven is because their names are not written there. This explains why you are earthbound. True Christians are citizens of heaven and this world is not our home we are looking forward to getting where our names are written down in glory.

Matt 5:3,5. 2Peter 3:13. Jesus Christ and apostle Peter says OLAADEGBU Pharisee peddles HALF TRUTH= Falsehood.

Kumuyi worshipper believe NOT the words of Jesus Christ and his apostle.

Kolping:
John 14:9 King James Version (KJV)
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

John 12:45 King James Version (KJV)
And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

John12:45 and John14:9, have ZERO connection to your Trinity scam.
** ** Matt 10:40
". Whoever receives you receives me also, and whoever receives me receives also the One who sent me"
Matt10:40, Jesus Christ says both himself and the preacher of the good news are his Father's representatives.

*** John12:45 and John14:9, Jesus Christ is saying he represents his Father who sent him.
For instance, you sent your Messenger to Alaba Market, whoever sees your Messenger has seen you who sent him....
Your Messenger went to Alaba Market in the name of Oga Boss- You.
Compare John 5:37,43. John7:16. 14:28.

Kolping:
Matthew 7 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Hebrews 4:12 King James Version (KJV)
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Hebrew 4:12, the word of God has refined JWs world wide despite obvious imperfections and mistakes common to human nature, that is what , perhaps, prompted the OP,Temmy to open this thread.


*** JW no dey prophesy 'Vision 2020' is your year of breakthroughs, JWs no dey do consultancy fees' to "cast out devils",& "do powerful works".
"Job's blessings unsecured" con men & pastorpreneurs fits Jesus Christ description there in Matt 7:21-23..

potent5:
I know you know Op very well to know he's not a JW. I am entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours. What can you do about my opinion?

The OP has said several times that he's not JW. Have you any proof ? Show us... everyone here is keen to know the truth.
Your personal views can not change what I have found out to be true.
Na you get your mouth las las...
Shalom.

malvisguy212:
Read Acts 5:1-6 . According to verse 3, who
did Ananias lie to ?

But Peter said, “Ananias, why has
Satan filled your heart to lie
to the HOLY SPIRIT and to keep
back some of the price of the
land?

Ananias lied to the Holy spirit. Then in verse 4, who is Ananias accused of laying to?

4 “While it remained unsold, did it
not remain your own? And
after it was sold, was it not
under your control? Why is it
that you have conceived this
deed in your heart? You have
not lied to men but TO GOD.”

Malvis, why you dey dodge the question I asked you...?
If na WAEC question, na straight 'F9' for you...
I never asked you anything about Acts 5:1-6.
Pls, answer this question below.....


***** Question:
You worship 3 person, triune Godhead.
Jehovah commanded Jesus Christ to
sit at his right hand....
where did Jehovah install the holy
spirit to sit ?

OLAADEGBU:
What is childish about celebrating Jesus every blessed day?

Do you,OLAADEGBU love the truth?
Then retype every statement you made in that post ....

OLAADEGBU:
Pastor Kumuyi never said that he would 'uproot some doctrines he installed' you are beginning to show that you really believe lies instead of the truth. [quote author=OLAADEGBU post=83338002]I know you have to keep updating the 'truth' that you preach because your 'truths' are always changing.

[/quote]Jesus Christ disciples wrongly believed that "the kingdom of God was going to appear instantly"
Luke 19:11. Jesus NEVER taught such gospel which his followers believed. Luke 24:21. Acts1:6,7.

What did Jesus Christ do ?
" He opened up their minds to fully GRASP THE MEANING Of THE SCRIPTURES" Luke 24:45
**Knowledge is progressive....

DICTIONARY

paradigm shift
noun
a fundamental change in approach or underlying assumptions...."
From Oxford"
OLAADEGBU says kumuyi is doing "paradigm shift".
OLAADEGBU fraud man theorist and hypocrite. Kai !!!!!

OLAADEGBU:
The 'Jesus' you preach is another Jesus who cannot save.



(Colossians 2:16-17).

As you can see in the verses quoted above, that Christians are not in any legalistic bondage as to whether they can celebrate birthdays or not, we are at liberty wherever the scriptures have not specifically forbidden us. For where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.

Yet you and your god of men say Christmas celebration is idolatry.
Stop deceiving yourself.

malvisguy212:
the Jehovah witness teaches that the Holy spirit is an active force, if its true then everyone Will be entitled to it, both the save and unsaved. is this not blasphemy ?

.

If you're well grounded in God's word the holy Bible, you won't post that SCRAP question above.
"The Father in heaven gives holy spirit to those asking HIM". Luke11:13.
NOT everyone.
Faith is one of the fruits of the holy spirit, it's not everyone's possession. Matt7:7.

OLAADEGBU:
We don't have to wait for Christmas to celebrate Jesus. We celebrate Jesus everyday. You can see that Charles Russel is still dead.

Your last sentence, very childish.
Please grow up.

potent5:
With your segregation and discrimination you want to show me you care. See HYPOCRISY in capital letters! Taa gbafuo Dia.

Nwokem, coolu temper ..... Ignorance and bigotry are curable diseases. Pls, seek the cure. Galatians 6:10. John 8:32.

poik:
Matthew 5:48- Be ye perfect...
Why do you think the rapture will be for a select few?
God knows them that are His. If perfection were not possible, the Bible wouldnt have said that.

Is photocopy of the same quality as the original?
Is there a day, week or month ,you don't offend your wife, kids, your fellow men etc?
Luke13:24, "Exert yourself vigorously to get in through the narrow door" into the kingdom of God, that's the point Jesus Christ emphasized. Compare Mark12:29-33.

OLAADEGBU:
The ability to lie must be part of your doctrines. What did I remove from my profile?

The network was slow in coming up.. The Santa Claus graphics is STILL on your profile.

OLAADEGBU:
Christians are at liberty to differ on non essential doctrines as long as they all agree on the essential doctrines such as the deity of Jesus, His dying on a Cross, His burial and bodily resurrection for the salvation of our souls and transition to heaven.

OLAADEGBU LYING....

From your profile that Santa Claus graphics where you equated Christmas celebration with idolatry..... (*modified).
https://answersingenesis.org/media/cartoons/after-eden/adam-in-christmas/

(Is OLAADEGBU is a pseudonym for David Letha ? Only God knows...)

https://dailypost.ng/2013/12/22/stop-celebrating-christmas-idolatory-kumuyi-warns-members/

Non deeper lifers, (AKA "idol worshippers" are at liberty to differ on non essential doctrines"
Wetin Musa no go see for gate?

martjay:
. (5) they don't believe that Jesus is God, instead regarded Jesus as one the angels and was created by God. (6) in their Bible, John 1:1, they changed God to god which is Jesus. (7) they believed that there is no hell fire where sinners shall punished and could not explain the parable of Lazarus and a rich man in Luke 16:20-24 and motive of that parable. ( you can never differentiate between their female members and so the called worldly ladies in terms of dressing and attitudes. Etc

Your point 2, Do you celebrate Christmas? A well known Kumuyi follower ,says you're an idol worshipper. In a nutshell, you won't make heaven.... Your pastors tell you JWs are anti-Christ,so what's your point?

5). Yes. that's what your own copy of the Bible says.
6).
Hear the Truth: Many other Bibles says "the word was a god", "the word was divine" etc. For instance, John1:1,Emphatic Diaglott bible and many others (Google" John1:1 Wikipedia" or "Reno Omokri Trinity article" or Femi Aribisala Trinity article".
The popular version of John 1:1 you been hearing since your childhood is distorted.
Greek John1:1 reads:
** "In beginning was the word, and the word was with the God (ton theon,) ,and the word was God (theos).
Greek theos means 'God, a god'.
Greek 'was with' means "facing towards"
The word facing towards the God., that's two distinct spirit beings, NOT one being.
The word was theos,NOT ton theon the God.
Jesus has divine nature, a god or godlike being but he is not 'ton theon' (the God) in John1:1
Jesus says God is a spirit,One being. John4:24
NOT 3 spirits.
I have simplified it as much as possible.
7)
Adam is the first sinner punished by God, why did God not send him to hellfire?
The precedent refutes hellfire claim.
2Thess1:7-9.
Jude 1:7, what did everlasting fire do to the wicked nations of Sodom and Gomorrah?

JWs dignify Jehovah with modesty in dressing and grooming which we always emphasize @ all times.
However, it's improper to impose your personal tastes or preferences upon others.
Every student of God's word has a bible trained conscience to discern what is modest and immodest. Hebrews 5:14.

martjay:
They may be nice with visitors and peoples that doesn't know them. When you have close relationship with them, then you'll have a proper definition of hypocrisy. (1) If you are not their member, no matter how diligent and hardworking you are, your efforts are futile if you are working in an establishment owned by one of them. (2) it is only their organization that is right religiously, other churches or denominations are evil worshippers or idolaters. (3) if you like be as intelligence as Albert Einstein, if you are not their member, you are a dullard. (4) stigmatization to non members are glaring, for instance, they can never listen to gospel music, but preferred secular music with dirty lyrics and would never listen to any sermon apart from their teachings.
tc

Fallacy of generalization.... your points 1-3.
JWs are not perfect. It's not impossible that his employee may be treated unfairly. On the other hand, what an employee may call 'unfair treatment' is actually not the case.
My biz firm is not a charity organization. It's wicked to take advantage of your Boss humane disposition simply because he's a JW.
That your point 3 , big LIE !
4). JWs condemn lewd music. Why would a JW play any song in praise of Trinity AKA 'your praise & worship stuff? Besides, I'm not imposing my music tastes on you, why impose yours on me? JW go buy & play pastorpreneur sermons? For where!!!

crispyJ:
In every 12 nwanne there must be a Judas oo
We dey pursue members because of misconduct It’s called disfellowship the guy mentioned it in the post, we try our best to keep jehovahs organization clean
If Dey catch that your babe

DonBenny dey cast him partner in fornication after he done form love to deceive.., yet he's not a hypocrite.
To the carnally minded, Sharing in the sin of others is not hypocrisy.
Let him continue to deceive himself joor.

HeyCorleone:
These are truths.

And I'm surprised to see many JWs attack your person rather than try to counter the points you raised.

I for one know that nothing gets a Jehovah's Witness hard like condemning the Catholic Church. It gives them the ultimate erection. And I'm Catholic. I read their tracts. I see the sneak disses. I just laugh.. Childish.

What I like is their voluntary nature. Something similar to Catholicism. But they are quite pompous. An evidence to that fact is the topic of this thread. Quite unnecessary and very infantile.

You are not very honest....
First of all, the OP of this thread is not a JW. Where is the pomposity?
please, see my response to Edybleketara, and Others too...
What in particular ,have JWs said about Catholics that you don't agree with?

sacramento1212:
Okay sir, what religion do Jehovah witness practise Sir?

Janosky:
I'm a JW, servant of the God of
Abraham and my Messiah, Jesus
Christ. Exodus 3:14,15 Acts 3:13 .
Rev3:12-14. Isaiah 42:10-12 .
Sir,please search the Scriptures above and share what you found out with everyone on this thread.
Please respond to my question:

*** What about you ,na which church you dey pay your membership fee/dues?
Thank you.

*

malvisguy212:
obedient to the lie that the holy spirit is an active FORCE.

any prove apart from the Bible is lies.

You worship 3 person, triune Godhead.
Jehovah commanded Jesus Christ to sit at his right hand....
where did Jehovah install the holy spirit to sit ?

HighPriest26:
Thanks for writing a beautiful nonsense. Join them if you like them and stop disturbing us. Even Occult love themselves, are organised and don't make noise like u said other churches are doing. What you call evangelism is actually initiation and false indoctrination of weak and feeble in faith like you. I know what I'm saying and none of them can stand to discuss weightier matters of the kingdom and not their baby doctrine of heaven on Earth where you'll use snake as belt

Well packaged fiction masquerading as fact.
Pastorpreneur ,how your market today?

DonBenny77:
Please keep quayet I dated one for 5 yrs, she does preach on social media. She is like every other slayqueen that went to uniport.
I won't go into plenty analysis else you won't even greet them if you come across them.
They are the biggest pretenders and hypocrites.
Most of them are not dedicated Jws while the dedicated ones are "living in bondage".
A JW lady isn't permitted to mak love to her JW fiance before wedding night even after introduction but can bleep a non JW.
Very confused set of people if you ask me

You and a young woman not your wife dey do sex, which your own copy of the Bible calls a sin, yet she's the hypocrite but you are not.
Bros, you dey deceive yourself.
What a typical male chauvinist !
"...JW lady isn't permitted to mak love to her JW fiance before wedding night even after introduction but can bleep a non JW.
Very confused set of people if you ask me"
[/DonBenny quote]

So, for your mind, you and your "hypocrite" girlfriend are not "living in bondage"....
Oturugbeke !!!!!

Shuooo !!!!
Your hypocrisy tie wrapper. .

Contrary to your fallacious claims, every honest hearted person here can distinguish who is actually "confused" and "living in bondage"

freeman1010:
Try asked them to pray for you in Jeaus name and hear their response to know if they are preaching Christ or not

You already have prejudice and you are not ready to listen to the good news of God's kingdom.
JWs have nothing to prove to you.... We don't force anyone to listen to the gospel of God's kingdom which Jesus Christ preached.

Mark1:14,15.
Our mission is not to woo you with prayers.
Jesus Christ never did.

sacramento1212:
What religion does JW practice? Islam, Buddhist, Atheist all have separate beliefs as they are classed as separate religion.

Except JW isn't under Christianity as a religion then i can understand.

I'm a JW, servant of the God of Abraham and my Messiah, Jesus Christ. Exodus 3:14,15 Acts 3:13 . Rev3:12-14. Isaiah 42:10-12 . What about you?

malvisguy212:
they err from the doctrine of the bible. being obedient to lies doesn't make the lie to be true. that what I can say.

Obedient to which lie?

You're an idol worshipping celebrant of a pagan feast...(according to your fellow body in Christ Pharisees).
You want proof?

Edybleketara:
yeah. they are very good at putting a show. you won't know their true colour until u've gone close to them.

Fallacy of generalization.....
Oya clap for yourself.
Educated bigot.

sacramento1212:
Their greatest trade mark is hypocrisy. I've had dealings with them. They also don't marry outside their faith it must be their fellow JW or condition to marry must be that he/she must convert to their faith.

Can a man and woman be married to each other except they agree ?
Will Jesus Christ recommend his followers to marry a Pharisee?

Will you give your daughter's hand in marriage to an atheist ,Buddhist or Muslim?
Are you not a hypocrite?