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brocab:


You don't know the Holy Spirit, to know what you are even talking about, dead man walking up a blind mans path..

You are an evil man through and through.
Nothing Christ like or Christian about you .
Isaiah 54:17, My God,Jehovah of Armies, CONDEMNED your satanic utterance.
I stand on the SUPREME AUTHORITY OF LIVING WORD OF JEHOVAH MY GOD
& I REBUKE YOU, brocab, I JESUS NAME,
AMEN !!!!

OLAADEGBU:
That's a very good point you made there. One wonders why they are not keen to go those Sharia countries since persecution turns them on.

https://www.nairaland.com/3642945/roman-catholism-false-gospel

OLAADEGBU Hypocrisy.

Na who bash Islam and Catholics more than you do on NL?
JWs reside in all parts of the world, even in your so called sharia countries.

brocab:
.




Where do you think the disciples retrieved this knowledge from? The Holy Spirit had even spoken through Peter>Jesus even quoted it Himself, these words didn't come from flesh and blood, but from His Father in Heaven.
{Matthew 16:15-17} Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven.…

You too sabi dey LIE.
Holy spirit never spoke anything to Peter. Matt 16 Vs13-17 no one said anything about holy spirit ....
Matt 16, the real story begins from verse 13 and ends at verse 17.
Make you talk true, who gave that revelation to Peter?
Vs13-17, what's Jesus Christ reply to Peter?

johnw47:
laughing, i have shown you more than once that
"God is your throne" is wrong, God is not a throne oh so duh one

"Thy throne O God" is of course correct as i showed

"Monday, March 4, 2013
Mar David Ignatius at 11:13 AM
Answering Trinitarian Objections to the
Oneness Faith, Hebrews 1:8

by Bishop Jerry Hayes
@1))
. In this verse Trinitarians
feel they have finally found a place where
the Son of God is said to be God. Even,
more to the point: A place where the Father
calls the Son, God. Here is the quote:
“But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O
God, is forever and ever; A scepter of
righteousness is the scepter of Your
kingdom.” (Hebrews 1:

@2)
The Oneness Answer
Scripture must be interpreted in the light of
other Scriptures—there can be no
contradictions. The Scriptures state there
is but ONE God-person ( E.g. ‘Now see that
I, even I, am He, And there is no God
besides Me; see De. 32:39; Is 43:3,11;
44;6; 45:5,18,21,22; 46:5,9; Mk 12:29; 1
Ti 2:5; Ga3:20 ). We will call this truth:
“Bible Absolute Number One.” So, however
Hebrews 1:8 is interpreted, it must not, can
not, violate “Bible Absolute, Number One.”

@3)
If the Trinitarian interpretation is correct,
we have several huge problems:
A1.
There is more than one God-person,
which violates “Bible Absolute, Number
One;”

B2.
If the Trinitarian interpretation is correct
God has a God, and one God is anointed
by the other God; because v9 says,
“ Therefore God, Your God, has anointed
You...” And “Bible Absolute, Number
One” is violated.

C3.)
If the Trinitarian interpretation is correct
God has “fellows” (i.e. companions,
equals); “ Therefore God, Your God, has
anointed You With the oil of gladness
more than Your companions.” Notice
the “fellows” (KJV)
“companions” (NKJV) are plural, so, A
race of Gods? And “Bible Absolute,
Number One” is violated.

D4)

. It is the single text in the KJV that
seems to call the Son, God; to found a
doctrine on one text violates the Law of
Witnesses which requires more than
one (De 19:15)
The four items listed above are solid proof
that Trinitarianism does not have the
correct understanding of Hebrews 1:8.


They are violating the radical monotheism
of the Bible when they proclaim more that
ONE God-person.


Now, the question we should be asking
ourselves is, “How may Hebrews 1:8 be
interpreted without doing violence to
Scripture and, at the same time, hold the
integrity of OT monotheism, that God is but
ONE God-person.? The “Bible Absolute,
Number One.”
First, we may begin with acknowledging
that Hebrews 1:8 is a quote from the OT
(Ps 45:6-7); and is only half of the quote
which includes ver 9 of He ch 1. given
here:
Hebrews 1:8-9
But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O
God, is forever and ever; A scepter of
righteousness is the scepter of Your
kingdom. You have loved righteousness
and hated lawlessness; Therefore God,
Your God, has anointed You with the oil of
gladness more than Your companions.”
Second, we will acknowledge that the quote
concerns King David as verse 1 of Ps 45
attests: “ I recite my composition
concerning the King;... .”
Psalms 45:1, 6-7
My heart is overflowing with a good theme;
1. I recite my composition concerning the
King;
My tongue is the pen of a ready writer.
... 6. Your throne, O God, is forever and
ever; A scepter of righteousness is the
scepter of Your kingdom. 7 You love
righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed
You With the oil of gladness more than
Your companions.
Third, we will acknowledge that the Writer
of Hebrews applies the quote to the Son of
God. This would be in context with the Ps
45:1-7, because Jesus in the son of David
and David was a type of the Messiah
(Jesus). So, was David called God in Ps
45;1-7? And more importantly, Was the
Son of God called God in He 1:1-9?
Since this is an odd text, a difficult text, it
must be understood in the light of the clear
and plan texts concerning the person of
Christ.

***Scholars******
But also, the authority of the scholars may
help us:

"Vincent informs us that the
Hebrew text in Ps 45:67 may very
well be defective; and gives as
possible translations: “Thy throne
is a throne of God;” or “God is thy
throne.” (Word Studies in the NT,
Vincent pg 390, vol4, Eerdmans.)
Mr A T Robertson states “It is
uncertain...if the “ho theos” is
vocative ...or nominative.”
Possible translations; “God is thy
throne;” or “Thy throne is God.”
(Word Pictures in the NT, pg 399,
vol 5.)
The Gk reads: “pros de ton huion HO
thronos sou ho theos eis tov aiōna tou
aiōnos.”
The debated phrase is “ho
theos.” Is it “O God” or “the
God”
To interpret ho theos as “O God”
would be odd indeed and do violence to
the rest of Scripture.
So, according to the Greek, and the
scholars. the text reads:
“As to the Son, thy throne, the God is, from
age to age.” So, then, both David (who was
a type of the Son of God), and the actual
Son of God (who was the anti-type of
David and was in fact the son of David) are
both told that God is their throne"
This is the legal translation of the text
which removes all the problems that is
created by twisting it and making ho theos
“O God,” instead “the God.”

☩ Jerry L Hayes
(Mar David Ignatius)

johnw47:
1)
Yet, most Bibles do not translate it the way the New World Translation does.
2).
First, Heb. 1:8 is a quote from Psalm 45:6, which says,
"Thy Throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy Kingdom"

In fact, the ASV, KJV, NIV, and NKJV all translated it as "Your throne, O God . . . "

The KJV, NIV, and NASB all take the verse in its plain,
straightforward sense, as do the ancient translations . . . "

3))


The Watchtower organization denies that Jesus is God. Therefore, it cannot permit any verses in the Bible to even hint that Jesus is God. That is why they choose a translation that does not best fit the context or overall theology of the Bible.

1,)
RSV ,IGNT, NWT,GNTA and many others translated Hebrew 1:8 correctly, not the fraud of Johnw FRAUD and carm.org.

2)
Johnw FRAUD theorist, & carm.org ,dey LIE korokoro....
carm.org says " God is your throne" is one "legitimate way" for the Greek translation of Hebrew 1:8.
carm.org says "most bible translators admit 'God is your throne' it's the best translation".
Johnw FRAUD will still come here & LIE .

*****@3)
Rev3:21 Jesus Christ says it's my Father's throne".
1 Chro29:23. Psalms 93:2. Lamentation 5:19 are in Concord with Jesus Christ.
carm.org & Johnw FRAUD are pathetic LIARS.

"According to Bible scholar B. F.
Westcott , this is likely a Greek to
English mistranslation, not a Hebrew to
Greek mistranslation. Based on the
context of the verse, he believes a better
rendering would be: "God is Thy throne"
or "Thy throne is God" .
He says (bold mine, italics original):
The LXX. admits of two
renderings: [ho the·osʹ] can be
taken as a vocative in both cases
(Thy throne, O God, . . . therefore,
O God, Thy God . . . ) or it can be
taken as the subject (or the
predicate) in the first case (God is
Thy throne, or Thy throne is God .
. . ), and in apposition to [ho
the·osʹ sou] in the second case
(Therefore God, even Thy God . .
. ). . . . It is scarcely possible that
[’Elo·himʹ] in the original can be
addressed to the king. The
presumption therefore is against
the belief that [ho the·osʹ] is a
vocative in the LXX. Thus on the
whole it seems best to adopt in
the first clause the rendering: God
is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is
God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is
founded upon God, the immovable
Rock.’
— The Epistle to the Hebrews
(London, 1889), pp. 25, 26."

# FACT of the Matter
***Johnw FRAUD, is a confirmed pathetic LIAR while carm.org is very intellectually dishonest Trinity apologist and pathetic LIAR.

** Carm.org falsely claims "there is no grammatical requirement for "God is your throne", which he admitted is a " legitimate way" to render Hebrew 1:8 in Greek.
Lying pharisee speaking from both sides of his mouth.
Nothing honest about carm.org & Johnw FRAUD.

bingbagbo:
God is one , even the devils know this

Deuteronomy 6:4 affirms this

Father , son and holy spirit= Jesus Christ

May the Lord grant you insight

solite3:
you are totally wrong, I mean really and sincerely wrong

Your Trinity crew member already knows you're a fraud theorist

bingbagbo:
***1)
I am sorry, but I can't debate a Jw Antichrist who have their own 'bible',

***@2)
and teach that. Jesus is angel Michael. JWs have two Gods, one they call jehohava and their Jesus who is a god and archangel Michael.

I don't have your time

**@1)
Because the Bible you pretend to believe has exposed your lying, Falsehood.
You're hide behind your faulted diversionary tactic.
bingbagbo FRAUD theorist.

bingbagbo:
"Men could not receive the Holy spirit
when Jesus was on earth,
Jesus Christ is God Almighty"

If you are not a FRAUD theorist, I challenge you to copy and paste Psalms 51:11 in any Bible version of your choice...

***2)
John 10:34-36, Jesus Christ says "I am God's son", God's son is a god.
**@Rev3:5,12 Your fictitious 'Almighty God' says he is God's son in heaven.

Your weed filled brain dey tell you say na "jehohava".
You need deliverance......

jesusjnr :
But since they proceeded from God,
they also have the "God" attribute in
them which makes them to also be
God, as in God the Word/Son, God the
Spirit.
But They are not God Almighty, who is
also the Father, neither are they equal
to Him, even though they are One.
God bless.

Blabbermouth:
As Christians, we do not argue, we never will. Let us enlighten each other with the bible. Your stance on Trinity is very bad. I know "Jesus is God" but not in the same sense which you view it. Your kind of view has made so many people atheists.

Anas09 :
Really? Pls explain to me how my
views can make one an atheist.
I am just not in the mood for this right
now, may be I would find time and we
wld talk about this.
Jesus is YHWH Bros. He is not
different from the God of Abraham,
Isaac, and Jacob."

shadeyinka:
Which of this is wrong?
My Body is a Person!
My Soul is a Person!
My Spirit is a Person!

The Father is a Person
The Word (Son) is a Person
The Holy Spirit is a Person

Solite3 get him own Trinity version contradictory to others on this thread.
If each of them is a person=.
Is that not 3 spirits beings /persons?
Death has a sting,1Cor15:5. Is death a person/spirit?
Personification is a literary device common in the holy Bible...
Genesis to Revelation, at no time did Yahweh have a one on one conversation with his holy spirit. Why ?
Yahweh is God's name. Jesus is God's son.
What's the name of God's holy spirit?

John4:24, "God is a spirit, NOT God is Spirits.
John17:3, John4:24,Jesus is saying the only true God, his Father (Yahweh) is a Spirit.
Yahweh is the God and Father of Jesus Christ in the physical realm,(John14:28. 20:17) and in the spirit realm (Rev 3:5,21).

Una dey see the confusion of these 'spirit filled' Trinity gang ?
Their delusional doctrine of falsehood has no ties with Yahweh. 1Cor 14:33.

Anas09:
Really? Pls explain to me how my views can make one an atheist.

I am just not in the mood for this right now, may be I would find time and we wld talk about this.

Jesus is YHWH Bros. He is not different from the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Another one...

jesusjnr:
But since they proceeded from God, they also have the "God" attribute in them which makes them to also be God, as in God the Word/Son, God the Spirit.

But They are not God Almighty, who is also the Father, neither are they equal to Him, even though they are One.

God bless.

Just so everyone can see how confused these Trinity gang really are.... All of them spirit filled with confusion, NOT from Yahweh.

wetin musa no go see for gate?
Points labelled @1 to @3,were strictly fictitious inventions of the OP.
But seriously, na which weed this gbagbo Pharisee dey take cool him brain?

@1,
Matt 3:16, You mean Jesus Christ received himself in the form of a dove?
@2)
gbagbo " Jesus Christ is God Almighty".
Matt 27:46, Jesus Christ was praying to himself in heaven, even crying to himself, "my God, my God, why have you forsaken me'
****@3)
Psalm 51:11, David praying (after his iniquity with another man wife), "do not take your holy spirit away from me"

.

bingbagbo:
@1
Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit.

*@2)
When the man Jesus Christ prayed, it was the human Jesus praying to the God who was in him.

@**3)
Men could not receive the Holy spirit when Jesus was on earth,


Jesus Christ is God Almighty

livingoracle:
I don't like talkertives, I was expecting you to refute and rebut my apologia with scriptural references.
You got nothing to say.
Shalom!

livingoracle , great detailed post with solid scriptural references to prove your points. I followed part 1 of this topic, and part 2 is in sync too.

This is the truth that Jehovah's witnesses have been sharing for a very long time.

The Pastorpreneurs & hellfire gang will soon invade this thread just to call you names/insults without any realbiblical proof for their long cherished fallacy.
Shalom.

blazepascal:
when ur conscience start hitting you this what you spit out

If you can't provide solid biblical evidence to disprove the OP's detailed information and submission, please kindly get out of this thread.
Name calling will not redeem your delusion.

Carm.org
**1

"Heb. 1:8 and Psalm 45:6, "God is thy throne."
Your Throne O God"But with reference to the Son: 'God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness'" The New World Translation.

In this particularly interesting verse, God is addressing the Son. The Greek construction of Hebrews 1:8 allows the text to be translated in two legitimate ways:

"God is your throne forever and ever . . . "

(**1) my comments...
"God is your throne forever and ever . . . " is the legitimate translation of Psalms 45:6 in Hebrew language to Greek language of Hebrews 1:8.
@ no time was any human Israelite King called God in the entire Bible.
Not even in Psalms 45:6.
(Prove me wrong,if you can).

NWT. "God is your throne" the best translation"
similar to
NRSV margin"Your throne is a throne of
God"
TEV"The kingdom that God has given you"
NJB"Your throne is from God"
JPSOA, RSV"Your divine throne"
REB"God has enthroned you"
NEB"Your throne is like God's throne"
Compare Lam5:19,Psalms93:2, 1Chro29:23, Jesus says it is his Father's throne,Rev3:21.")

*2
"Thy Throne O God, is forever and ever . . . "

Because of the Watchtower presupposition that Jesus is not God, they choose the first version; otherwise, the Father would be calling Jesus God, and that goes against Jehovah's Witness theology. Yet, most Bibles do not translate it the way the New World Translation does. They choose the other way. Why? Two reasons.

First, Heb. 1:8 is a quote from Psalm 45:6, which says,

"Thy Throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy Kingdom" (All Bible quotes are from the NASB).

In fact, the ASV, KJV, NIV, and NKJV all translated it as "Your throne, O God . . . "

(**2) my comments..
Carm.org FRAUD claims in **2... Lie,lie Pharisees

PROOF:
Carm.org and Johnw FRAUD are pathetic, pathological LIARS.



**3
The RSV translates it as "Your divine throne endures for ever and ever," "but this is a highly unlikely translation because it requires understanding the Hebrew noun for "throne" in construct state, something extremely unusual when a noun has a pronominal suffix, as this one does . . . The KJV, NIV, and NASB all take the verse in its plain, straightforward sense, as do the ancient translations . . . ""

( ***3)my comments...
"The RSV translates it as "Your divine throne endures for ever and ever," "because it requires understanding the Hebrew noun for "throne" , CONCRETE PROOF RSV and NWT are AUTHENTIC rendition of Psalms 45:6.
Both are in Concord with Hebrew language grammatical requirements.

**#* Carm.org ***4 is a FRAUD. Carm.org no get shame at all.
Intellectually dishonesty at It's peak.

**4
When we look at the Hebrew, we see that there is no grammatical requirement for this translation though it is considered to be the best translation by most translators.

*(*4) My comments..
Carm.org says (*@1) "The Greek construction of Hebrews 1:8 allows the text to be translated in two legitimate ways:

"God is your throne forever and ever . ." . (similar rendition in NWT).
Why is it "considered to be the best translation by most translators"?
Because it is exactly the Greek translation of the Hebrew language in Psalms 45:6.))

***4
Carm.org says "When we look at the Hebrew, we see that there is no grammatical requirement for this translation"

(**4) my comments...
Carm.org FRAUD claims of **4.

Why would Bible translators consider "God is your throne forever and ever . ." . (similar rendition in NWT) " to be the best translation"?
Because there is NO conflict with It's Hebrew equivalent of Psalms 45:6.))

**5
In and of itself, this is not conclusive because the context of this verse in Psalm 45 is dealing with a king which would make one wonder why he would be addressed as God; but, it is not uncommon for NT writers to take a verse in the OT that seemingly deals with one subject and apply it to another. They knew something we didn't."

In fact, in Ezekiel 28:12-17 is a section that deals with the fall of the devil"

(*4) My comments..
** the devil was in the garden of Eden. Yes.
But,Which human King of Israel is God?
None at all.
Carm.org is a liar.
A FRAUD just like his prodigy on NL.).

brocab:
"Let us read what remarks you have against these two scriptures below, usually you go into a mocking spree, mocking God's Word-you and your comrades call God a lair-and then you find ways to twist the scriptures, just to prove your mental state of mind.
JW's are men without the Spirit of God, who's theories are just words, words without life, your understanding of the bible is dead, you have no Spiritual life in you.
{John 1:1, Hebrews 1:8} These Word's are not just Words, God's Words are living, "The Word is God, and about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom...

Did I ever ask you any question on john1:1 or Hebrews 1:8, you wrote about?
Brocab artful dodger, answer my questions posed to you... .
Stop deceiving yourself.... Have you removed Jesus Christ's words in John 14:28,John17:3 and Revelation 3:5,12 from your Bible?

Here are the questions again.....

***## You claim you believe in Jesus Christ.
If your Trinity doctrine is not a FRAUD,
please answer 3 questions I have for
you.
The first one, you have been dodging
repeatedly on this thread...
@*I)
John17:3, According to Jesus Christ,
who is the ONLY TRUE GOD?
**@ ii)
Revelation 3:5,12, Did Jesus (now
spirit) say Yahweh (spirit) is his Father
in the spiritual realm?
*** @ iii)
Is John14:28 ("the Father is greater
than I" & John17:3 on the earthly
realm equivalent to Revelation 3:5,12,
in the spiritual realm ?"
** Brocab you get "Spirit of God",why you dey dodge questions .....?

brocab:
"Let us read what remarks you have against these two scriptures below, usually you go into a mocking spree, mocking God's Word-you and your comrades call God a lair-and then you find ways to twist the scriptures, just to prove your mental state of mind.

{John 1:1, Hebrews 1:8} These Word's are not just Words, God's Words are living, "The Word is God, and about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom...

John1:1 "The word IS God" from brocab FRAUD bible.....
NOT in any Bible version of John1:1.
Brocab FRAUD theorist, falsehood Pharisee.
**

If you fail your exam because you did not answer your Lecturer's questions, you will falsely claim he's wicked.
Nobody asked you what's in your fraud John 1:1 or Hebrew 1:8.
Psalms 45:6 is original copy of Hebrew 1:8.
*** Psalms 45:6

"NRSV margin"Your throne is a throne of
God"
TEV"The kingdom that God has given you"
NJB"Your throne is from God"
JPSOA, RSV"Your divine throne"
REB"God has enthroned you"
NEB"Your throne is like God's throne"

**
"In a monotheistic (see Special
Topic at Ps. 2:7 ) OT context this cannot be
asserting deity to the King, but it is
asserting that all the King is and has comes
from his relationship to YHWH. The King is
YHWH's earthly representative, as is the
High Priest (cf. Zechariah 4 ).
YHWH's throne (cf. 1 Chr. 29:23 ; Lam. 5:19 )
is forever (cf. Ps. 93:2 ; see Special Topic at
Ps. 9:5 )."
Source:Bible study info

brocab

** Why is your fraud Hebrew 1:8 different from the original copy ("Your throne is from God" of Psalms 45:6?

johnw47:
yes i certainly do claim that Father and the Word is God

therefor God the Word sits with His Father on the throne of God, correct

and He sits with His Father on the throne of God:

You mean your God the word sits with his Father on the throne of God his Father...
Proof: Your 'God' the word is NOT the same Being as God his own Father.....
Revelation 3:21, straight to the point.


** In Jesus name, I COMMAND you Johnw , to receive sense, AMEN. !!!!!!!!
Case closed.

johnw47:
Jesus is praying for all that believe on Him and others that believe on Him through their word
they are all one in faith no matter where they are,


many churches meet together and encourage one another in the truth

The gospel account of Acts ,shows Christ followers were one,meeting together to encourage one another in the truth"

Whom do you Johnw Pharisee meeting together with?
You Pharisee wey dey disobey Jesus Christ.

www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/TTD/verses/hebrews1_8.html

The Trinity delusion....

"The Greek Grammar and
Intentional Translation Bias
Concerning Hebrews 1:8,
Trinitarian apologists are
somewhat pretentious and would
have you believe their "O God"
translation is the only possible
translation. So they always
cherry pick the vocative "O God"
translation for their apologetic
agenda.* However, Trinitarian
Greek translation scholars openly
admit the Greek grammar does
indeed allow for a different
translation. Trinitarian scholars
admit that "God is your throne
(or Your throne is God) is
grammatically correct (see
Robertson or Westcott for
example). Some of these
scholars also concede that it
makes theological sense. This is
also evidenced by a review of
various major translations. The
RSV translates Psalm 45:6 as
"Your divine throne endures
forever and ever." The NRSV
footnote for Psalm 45:6 reads,
"Your throne is a throne of God"
and the Hebrews 1:8 footnote
reads, "God is your throne."
(Note: * Some grammarians have
even argued that the vocative is
an artificial category created by
translators. In other words, they
argue that it is a category which
is an English speaking
convention which would have
never been conceived in a Koine
Greek speaker's mind.)
The word "throne" in Scripture
With the exception of a few
informed scholars, Trinitarians
generally seem to dismiss the
"God is your throne," or "Your
throne is God," translation
because they can't imagine how
God could be Jesus Christ's
throne. Some even conclude this
is silly because, they object, it
would have God being used as
Jesus' chair (throne). However,
the ignorance is actually their
own. The problem is that they
are equating the word "throne"
with a chair to sit upon. This
notion comes from ignorance
concerning the use of the word
"throne" in the Scripture.
David and Solomon sat on "the
throne of Yahweh" (1 Chronicles
29:23; 2 Chronicles 9: over the
Kingdom of God (1 Chronicles
28:5).. This does not mean they
sat on God's chair in heaven. To
sit on a throne means one
assumes the authority signified
by that throne. When David and
Solomon sat on the throne of
Yahweh it meant they were given
the right to execute the authority
of God's throne over the nation of
Israel, that is, God's authority
over Israel. "

carm.org, A Trinitarian and the non Trinitarian, angelfire.com both agreed that "God is your throne " is legitimate way to translate Hebrew 1:8.
Johnw FRAUD theorist, eleyi ogidigaan of falsehood.

johnw47:
"god is your throne" clearly doesn't mean "God's throne is your throne"
in the first saying: "God is a throne", in the second saying: "God's throne is Jesus throne"

"God's throne is your throne" is correct and is the same as i have been saying, "Jesus sits with His Father on the throne of God"

Shut up your mouth,shameless Johnw FRAUD theorist.

"The Greek construction
of Hebrews 1:8 allows the text to be
translated in two legitimate ways:
"God is your throne forever and ever"
https://carm.org/heb-18-and-psalm-456-god-thy-throne.

"God is your throne" is a legitimate way to translate Hebrew 1:8.
BTW, you are a sheeple of carm.org., your Trinitarian mentor whose works you always use without giving him credit.
You can't afford to disown him now..

You claim "Father and Jesus is God".
Therefore, "God sits with His Father on the throne of God"
Johnw FRAUD theorist, why you dey shift your own goal post?
Is your Jesus not God ?

johnw47:
how many times do i have to say it, of course it's true
and of course it's not true that "Father is Jesus throne" as you false jw have been saying
Jesus doesn't sit on His Father but on the right hand of His Father, oh most duh one
by the way, one more time, Jesus doesn''t literally sit on His Fathers right hand
i have to say it again because your confusion is enormous:





"god is your throne" clearly doesn't mean "God's throne is your throne"
in the first saying: "God is a throne", in the second saying: "God's throne is Jesus throne"

"God's throne is your throne" is correct and is the same as i have been saying, "Jesus sits with His Father on the throne of God"

Shut up your mouth,shameless Johnw FRAUD theorist.

"The Greek construction
of Hebrews 1:8 allows the text to be
translated in two legitimate ways:
"God is your throne forever and ever"
https://carm.org/heb-18-and-psalm-456-god-thy-throne.

"God is your throne" is a legitimate way to translate Hebrew 1:8.
BTW, you are a sheeple of carm.org., your Trinitarian mentor whose works you always use without giving him credit.
You can't afford to disown him now..

Sexual harassments alias sex for marks occurs everywhere even in British universities and other public institutions of learning.
It reeks of biased reporting to restrict their focus to Tertiary institutions in West Africa to be specific.
The good, the bad and the ugly exist in all climes .

If he's doing these unwholesome in UNILAG, his work place, it's so distasteful.
Oh Lorda mercy !!!!!!
We must pity the women and young girls in the Church he pastors, whose heartbreaking ordeal has been held down by the triple web of silence ,shame and stigma.
His suspension is their wake up call to find their voice and break the silence.
This is important for their scars to heal and for them to have the courage to be free at last
.
"Touch not my anointed pr*eq and do my 'rod of office' no harm" Pharisee.

You coza your prey with cold room experience.... shuoooo !!!!
He goats in human form everywhere....

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Maximus69:
When they see Jehovah's Witnesses having rock solid FAITH they're puzzled, thinking it's juju or jass that we used to catch people. Imagine hearing all those gibberish when you're truthfully anticipating whole soul worship!
Well that's all what they've got in their minds and they expect right thinking persons who aren't just worshiping for selfish reasons to come and join them!

Johnw FRUAD, brocab and the Trinity crew are afraid of the truth and get scared that JWs have the boldness and the solid evidences to expose their falsehood.
They can only resort to diversionary tactic and name calling.
Forward ever, you witnesses of Jehovah.
Jesus Christ is our Messiah and Examplar.
Hallelujah ( means Praise Jehovah... for those who don't know.) !!!!
My Brother Maximus69,
Shalom

johnw47:
Father and the Word is God.

truly God is not a throne, Jesus does not sit on God, but on His right hand
and i remind you again that Jesus doesn't literally sit on God's right hand
it means Jesus sits to the right of Father on the throne of God

"God sits at the right hand of His Father on the throne of God".
Johnw , True or False?
Oya, give your answer
^^^

"God is your throne" (Hebrew/Greek meaning ) God's throne is your throne .
Hebrew and Greek are original languages of the holy Scriptures.
Hebrew & Greek Bible writers never thought in English...
The meaning of that phrase in Hebrew and Greek determines it's meaning in English.

Don't TWIST the holy writ.

brocab:
[color=#000099]Time and time again, we have answered your silly questions-

Brocab LIAR ....
This is a public forum, nothing is hidden.
I challenge you to show CONCRETE PROOF that you answered these questions @*i) ,**ii) & @iii.) I had addressed to you....

You claim you believe in Jesus Christ.
If your Trinity doctrine is not a FRAUD,
please answer 3 questions I have for
you.
The first one, you have been dodging
repeatedly on this thread...
@*I)
John17:3, According to Jesus Christ,
who is the ONLY TRUE GOD?
**@ ii)
Revelation 3:5,12, Did Jesus (now
spirit) say Yahweh (spirit) is his Father
in the spiritual realm?
*** @ iii)
Is John14:28 ("the Father is greater
than I" & John17:3 on the earthly
realm equivalent to Revelation 3:5,12,
in the spiritual realm ?"

johnw47:
non denominational bible believing christianity is the way to go....

John17:20,21, is Johnw FRAUD doctrine in agreement with the prayer of Jesus Christ ?

"Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but
for them also which shall believe on me
through their word;
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as
thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that
they also may be one in us: that the world
may believe that thou hast sent me."

** Hebrews 10:25
"And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that
the day of his return is drawing near."


Johnw FRAUD doctrine against the holy Bible. Hebrew 10:25,says are very ALLERGIC to the truth.

drips8:
The JWs are not allowed to think for themselves or question the rules because outside thoughts are said to be from the devil.
JWs have to disown family or friends whoever leave the faith and cut them off completely.
They have also had a lot of failed prophecies.
JWs members are banned from reading religious texts from other beliefs but will gladly teach people of other faiths about theirs.
The watchtower group claims politics is evil but they are aligned with the UN.

You're posting POO.
Clap for yourself.
How many times you done climb your church pulpit and challenge your pastorpreneurs false teachings after he has separated you from your hard earned money in the name of membership dues & other gbogbotigbo?
How much apostle Paul and Peter pay for membership dues?

Your pastors "this is your year" mantra , failed prophecies and ritualistic singsong, you no dey see am?
How many times have you raise objections in your church?
JWs are going forward....
Keep deluding yourself.

Edybleketara:
Well at least you're not denying it. There's hope for you guys after all.

This OP has already provided PROOF that your fallacious claims were baseless and unfounded.
Hypocrisy and bigotry is your problem.