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olajigaolamide:
@1)

"..... it is indeed stupid to deny the God nature of the son.


@2)
The Holy scripture confirms that Jesus Christ is God and he is co-equal with the father .

@3
Here are St part of the scriptures where Jesus was called God

In the Gospel of St John 20 Vs 28

"And Thomas answered and said to him, My LORD and my God."


@4
Also in the Gospel of St John 5 Vs 18, The equality of Jesus with the father is confirmed

Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

***@1)
@ Genesis 5:3, King James Bible
"And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:"
Compare Genesis 1:26. Psalms 82:1,6.(KJV).

** Questions for Olamide...
I) Gen5:3. 1:26. Psalms 82:1,6, do you have God nature?
According to you, Jesus is God ,has God nature. Apply same logic to man,Man is God. You agree?

@2
John14:28, are you lying or is Jesus lying?


@3
John20:28, U call me " My Lord and my God"
and I already told you (in John20:17); ," I am going to your Father and my Father, your God and my God",
John20:17,is Jesus saying that he is the God and Lord and Father whom Thomas referred to?

Revelation 3:5,12, who did Jesus say is his God and Father in heaven?
Sin
@4))
Jesus said " that God was his Father,".
Compare John 10:33,36.

If Mr Olamide said that " God was his Father", does that statement actually mean that Mr Olamide "is making himself equal with God"?

solite3:
why are mountains, earth and productive lands not called God's Son?

God's creation= mountains, earth and productive lands & Jesus, the beginning of God's creation, also "the first born of every creature" Colossians 1:15 (KJV).
Deut 32:18, Solite3 FRAUD THEORIST,
how did God give birth to you?


"You forgot the Rock who fathered you,
And you did not remember the God who
gave birth to you."



Moses is asking you a thought provoking question, Solite3 Pharisee LIAR.

Deut 32:6,
"Is this the way that you should treat
Jehovah,
O foolish and unwise people (solite3)?
Is he not your Father who caused your
existence?"

johnw47:
@1)
Joh 5:26  For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.

the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself
the Word no longer only eternally exists in the Father, but now outside of Him(a seperate person), now having life in Himself as father does,

Col 1:15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

He is the first and only begotten, not the first created,






again, those verses do not show that Jesus was created oh cannot stop lying sieve for a brain

Psa 90:2  Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.


Father begat the Word who always existed in Him, not created

proverbs doesn't say wisdom is a creature, of
Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works"

God of course posessed wisdom before He did any works at all, just like other verses say also:



1Co 1:24  But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 

oh dud duh duh, yes, we know Christ is the power and wisdom of God, and you think God(Father's) power and wisdom is created, that God didn't have power and wisdom before He bought it forth as the Word come Jesus Christ, such a duh

God's wisdom and word is part of God - is God, just as my wisdom and word is part of me - is me

God's wisdom - His Word no longer is just a part of God(Father), but became a seperate identical person to Father
:

 Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old

Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE, LIE LIE CROOK..
"Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, "
proverbs doesn't say wisdom is a creature.. God of course posessed wisdom before He did any works at all,




,Genesis 14:19
HEB: לְאֵ֣ל עֶלְי֔וֹן קֹנֵ֖ה שָׁמַ֥יִם וָאָֽרֶץ׃
NAS: Most High, Possessor of heaven
KJV: God, possessor of heaven
INT: God Most Possessor of heaven and
earth
Genesis 14:22
HEB: אֵ֣ל עֶלְי֔וֹן קֹנֵ֖ה שָׁמַ֥יִם וָאָֽרֶץ׃
NAS: Most High, possessor of heaven
KJV: God, the possessor of heaven
INT: God Most possessor of heaven and
earth"

*** Genesis 14:19,22, Based on Johnw MUMU FRAUD THEORY, Yahweh "possessed" Heaven, Yahweh NEVER created heaven.....

Proverbs 8:22-30, is a creature of God personified as wisdom, (1 Cor 1:24,gives his identifiy to be Jesus), your FRAUD can't change it..

Col 1:15. King James Bible
(Jesus) who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature"
Col 1:15 (KJV) is beyond twisting.

Johnw MUMU FRAUD man says
"the Word no longer only eternally exists in the Father, but now outside of Him(a seperate Person).
He say " Jesus exist in the Father", that is , Jesus been get house inside him Father.... Lol
FRAUD man MUMU johnw Pharisee.....
Ogidigan of Falsehood..

vybzkartel:
And to believe that craps makes u worst than an ass

Speak to the matter

Vybzkartel Confession time.....
Vybz admits he's been posting "crap"

https://www.nairaland.com/5267116/love


Proverbs 5:20-23..

vybzkartel Pharisee wey no get sense.....
Garbage in,garbage out.
Izigha !!
Shame on you....

malvisguy212:
@1)
You are simply confused. do you ( Janosky) can say God is greater than you ? what does that imply ? every sane man knows that God is greater than him, you don't need me to tell you that.


@2)
Jesus share the Glory with God at the creation event, the world was made through Him ( Word)

@1 If I assert that God is greater than Janosky, but to Malvisguy, it means that Janosky is "simply confused"

Dimwitted Malvisguy, your brain dey pain you.... Go & see a Shrink.


@2) John17:20-24.
Jesus Prays for All Believers
20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also
for those who [ j ]will believe in Me through
their word; 21 that they all may be one, as
You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that
they also may be one in Us, that the world
may believe that You sent Me.
22 AND THE GLORY WHICH YOU GAVE ME ,I have given them,
that they may be one just as We are one: 23
I in them, and You in Me; that they may be
made perfect in one, and that the world may
know that You have sent Me, and have loved
them as You have loved Me.
24 “Father, I desire that they also whom You
gave Me may be with Me where I am, that
they may behold MY GLORY WHICH YOU HAVE GIVEN ME; for You loved Me before the
foundation of the world.

Emphasis on v22,24.
His Father gave Jesus the glory before the foundation of the world.
Without his Father, Jesus had no glory.

Emusan:
God knew people will kill Jesus yet He still allowed him to be born.

In fact, He didn't only know prior to that time but already SLAIN HIM before the foundation of the world.

Answer this, is there ANYTHING UNDER HEAVEN that can be hidden from God?

That God allows/permits some thinge to happen, doesn't mean He didn't know or approve it.

They're many verses in the scripture that centered on how NOTHING CAN BE HIDDEN FROM GOD.

This verse should enlighten your dark knowledge "The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law." Due 29:29

So whatever was revealed in the scripture is for we human beings NOT FOR God.

Stop inserting your FRAUD comments INSIDE my posts.
It amounts to distortion and falsehood to INSERT your posts into someone else's post.

,,,,, @1)

Isaiah 53:12 a – “I will give Him the
honors of One who is mighty and great,
because He exposed Himself to death.
He was counted among those who were
sinners.”

@2)
Yahweh foreknew & FORETOLD what will befall the Messiah, Jesus Christ.
It was inline with God's purpose for the salvation of mankind.
EVERY THING Yahweh FOREKNEW &
FORETOLD in the Scriptures were Events tied to the fulfillment of his will & purposes.
Such Events were for the glory of Yahweh, the Revealer of Secrets. Yahweh was directly involved in the matter.

“For the Sovereign Lord Yahweh will not do
a thing unless he has revealed his
confidential matter to his servants the
prophets” (Amos 3:7).

,@3)
Emusan TWISTING Deut29:29, "The secret things belong to the LORD our God"
The brutal episodes of human history (perpetrated by likes of Hitler, Idi Amin, Genghis Khan etc) which were well known & documented by man can NOT be " secret things which belong to Yahweh."

How does the genocide of about 6million Jews or Khmer Rouge mass murders fulfill God's purpose for your salvation?

ichuka:
So who's the Father and the Son? Are they Big and small god or what?

That's for your response, Ichuka..... dodge them NOT.
**** Ichuka has "wisdom and revelation to understand the things of God." Pls ,Explain Ephesians 1:17. Explain John 14:28. Thank you.

johnw47:
Joh 1:3 

i know you don't believe the Bible except where it suits you, but really
Father made nothing without Jesus: "and without him was not any thing made that was made."

johnw47 :
normally, and as in my father begat
me, means i didn't exist before hand
in Jesus case oh know nothing, when
Father begat Jesus He already existed
so He was not created

Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an
effect; to cause to exist. Compare
John5:26. Col1:15.


Jehovah CAUSED Jesus TO EXIST", Yes Jesus Christ was created before the founding of the world. That's the exact meaning of his Father beget Jesus.
Psalms 90:2, Yahweh begat, gave birth, born the mountains and the earth.
Prov 8:22, Jesus is a creature , the wisdom personified in Prov8:22-30 & 1 Cor1:24.

Jesus says his Father granted life to him. John5:26.

Prov2:6 Yahweh is the source of wisdom.
John5:26 Yahweh is the source of life.


Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE, receive sense....


John1:3, is clear that Yahweh created the world THROUGH Jesus.

johnw47:
Joh 1:3 

i know you don't believe the Bible except where it suits you, but really
Father made nothing without Jesus: "and without him was not any thing made that was made."

johnw47 :
normally, and as in my father begat
me, means i didn't exist before hand
in Jesus case oh know nothing, when
Father begat Jesus He already existed
so He was not created

Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an
effect; to cause to exist. Compare
John5:26. Col1:15.


Jehovah CAUSED Jesus TO EXIST", Yes Jesus Christ was created before the founding of the world. That's the exact meaning of his Father beget Jesus.
Jesus says his Father granted life to him. John5:26.



Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE, receive sense....


John1:3, is clear that Yahweh created the world THROUGH Jesus.

Emusan:
God who knows "THE END from the beginning"

If He didn't use it ALL THE TIME...why is He God then?

I don't even how it sound in your ears saying "That God has the power to foreknow doesn't mean HE USED IT ALL TIME" very contradictory statement.

God foreknew the Israelites were stubborn & stiff neck, who will forget the true God, and worshipped the golden calf, their murmurings caused Moses to miss the Promise Land, yet he rescued them from bondage in Egypt.. and even begged them to choose life/death. Deuteronomy chapter 28....

God foreknew that King Solomon will seize to worship Yahweh& become an idol worshipper influenced by his foreign wives, yet ,Yahweh made him king & blessed him immensely.

God foreknew that king Manasseh will be a very brutal king whose reign was notorious for bloodshed and unprecedented violence and idolatry..... Yahweh never interfered....

Yahweh foreknew that Steven will die a martyr, yet he never intervene.....
Yahweh foreknew that king David will arrange Uriah's murder and kolobi the man wife, God no even stop David...
God foreknew Genghis Khan, Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, will cause mass genocide in their political power ,Yet , Yahweh no stop them..
Emusan, you no get sense......

ichuka:
Lol Dude you' need wisdom and revelation to understand the things of God. Why was God called the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ the Son? Do you know the reason for those tittles?

John14:28 "Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am" Jesus words "I AM going to the Father" , who is GREATER THAN I AM"


@ Ephesians 1: 17 "that the glorious Father, the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, would give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation as you come to know Christ better. "
Ichuka has "wisdom and revelation to understand the things of God."
Pls ,Explain Ephesians 1:17. Explain John 14:28. Thank you.

solite3:
The word trinity is not in the bible just as the word Bible is not in the bible but the concept is taught in the bible.

TRINITARIAN: - 'God the Holy Spirit' 0
times; 'God the Son' 0
times; 'God in three persons' 0 times;
'trinity' or 'triune God' 0
times.

Brain scrubbed Solite3 is ALLERGIC to the truth....

UceeGod:
@1)
Genesis 1:26 is just one of the numerous places God was referred to as in multiple terms.

@2
Yet Yahweh (of Old Testament) who is Jesus Christ Himself many times referred to Himself in the singular form as a Person (I, Me) while also referring to Himself and His Father ("I and my Father" NOT "our Father" ) many times to show they are the same Being (John 10:30).
If scripture says only Almighty God is the uncreated Being (the only Self-Existing One) and the world was created through His WORD - JESUS CHRIST, it follows that Jesus was with God at creation (John 1:1), and Jesus Christ was among the US referred to in Genesis 1:26 and definitely Jesus Christ is the Almighty God in ESSENCE. Remember Jesus wasn't created.

@3))
NB: God needn't appear to His people as the Father, Son and Spirit at the same time to show that He is a Triune Being. When He appeared as the unapproachable Father, He described Himself as I AM (Exodus 3:14). When He also came to the world as the Son, He also referred to Himself as I AM (John 8:48,58)

@1). Ucee FRAUD... Genesis 1:26 NEVER said God spoke to God.
Ucee FRAUD added his FRAUD CONJECTURE into Genesis 1:26 to twist it.
Exodus 6:3 DISPROVE your LIE.
Throughout the Old Testament, YHWH always said "I", "My" to refer to Himself.
These Trinitarians dey lie like kilode.... Kai !!!


@2)
John10:30 NEVER means one being, Otherwise, Mark 19:5,6 you mean that a married couple is ONE being.
Rev 3:12-14, Jesus is the beginning of God's creative act, the first product of God's creation.
John 5:26,Jesus says his Father gave him life.
"The beginning of birth pangs" does NOT mean the ruler of birth pangs.
FRAUD Ucee and Gbagbo LIAR.


@3) FRAUD Ucee, Acts 3:12-13. Matt 16:13-17,do you know Jesus Christ more than Simon Peter?

Since you agree that you and your father is one being, who am I to reset your mumu brain?
Your Trinity POO brain is ALLERGIC to the truth.

johnw47:
normally, and as in my father begat me, means i didn't exist before hand

in Jesus case oh know nothing, when Father begat Jesus He already existed
so He was not created oh most duh one, he was made man:

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, ( the only begotten of the Father,)

Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an effect; to cause to exist. Compare John5:26. Col1:15.

Jesus Christ NEVER exist until his Father beget him, granted him life before creation of the world..
(The very reason Jesus Christ calls his God "my Father" in heaven ,Revelation 3:2,5,12, and earth, John 20:17.)
In the same manner you can't exist until your parents granted you life.
John15:15, Jesus taught what his Father taught him.
NOT the FRAUD you're being posting up and down.
Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE.

Janosky:
Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget
►
Jump to: Webster's • Concordance •
Thesaurus • Greek • Hebrew • Library •
Subtopics • Terms
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary
1. ( v. t. ) To procreate, as a father or sire; to
generate; to produce; as, poverty can beget
crime.
2. ( v. t. ) To get (with child.)
3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an effect; to cause to
exist.

......

"Father begat him" mumu Pharisees...
Johnw FRAUD, you dey see your FRAUD ?


@ PROOF, Jesus was created...
1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD,
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....


** You are NOT under obligation to comment on my post.
Shovel your FRAUD into your sawdust brain where it belongs.
Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE.

bingbagbo:
See how you dishonestly omitted Isaiah Calling Jesus Mighty God

Jesus is God, now check Deuteronomy 6:4 which says God is one. Antichrist jws have two Gods against scriptures

Gbagbo lying mouthed Pharisees..

.
,,,@1)

Psalm 82:1,6.
A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the
congregation of the mighty; he judgeth
among the gods.

" I have said, You are gods; and all of you are children of the Most High."

Yahweh says his children are "EL", Mighty God.
Yahweh is Mighty God, Joshua 22:22.
Jesus Christ is a mighty God.
Your Fake theory fall yakata...


@2))
The Shema
Deut 6:4 Hear o Israel , Yahweh our God is ONE Yahweh" (the same word Jesus copied at Mark 12:29.)
Gbagbo lying FRAUD of a Pharisee, @ Mark12:30, Jesus Christ NEVER claimed to be Yahweh.
Jesus is a servant of Yahweh. Acts 3:13.

Yahweh is ONE,NOT three. NOT TRIUNE. Gbagbo lying Pharisee worships three Persons, TRIUNE God, NOT YAHWEH.

UceeGod:
The spirit controlling you is certainly not from Christ, little wonder your lack of spiritual understanding.

Isaiah 9:6, Emphasis on "Son" & Prince:
I)) The son "given" by who?
Ii)) Every Prince has a Father, who is
the Father of your "Everlasting Father"?


You wey get "spiritual understanding" why are you running away & artfully dodge those questions you have "spiritual understanding" to answer.... Lols.
Oya answer the questions don't dodge....

UceeGod:
The Almighty God has ever existed as a 3 Persons (triune) Being before the beginning (Genesis 1:26),
He has always worked and revealed Himself to humanity in these 3 Persons. He will continue to exist as a trinity weither you like it or not.

FRAUD Ucee..... shame on you.
Exodus 6:3, " I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regards to my name Jehovah"
@ Exodus 6:3, the pronoun "I", is how many persons?
"My" is how many persons?
Genesis 1:26, NEVER said God spoke to God.
You are a FRAUD.

Hebrew 1:3, John1:3, Col 1:16, Jehovah his Father created the world THROUGH him,(his son Jesus).
PROOF: You twisted Genesis 1:26.

UceeGod:
Jesus Christ is the Everlasting Father in ESSENCE and the Son in PERSON (revealed to humanity) - Isaiah 9:6

You no get sense....
Jesus is in heaven when Isaiah ,9:6, calls him "Son who has been given," ,"Prince of Peace", Isaiah was written before Jesus birth on earth.
He is a son in heaven before & after his earthly life.
Rev 3:5,12
"
Emphasis on "Son" & Prince:
I)) The son "given" by who?

Ii)) Every Prince has a Father, who is the Father of your "Everlasting Father"?

Therefore your interpretation of "Everlasting Father" & Son in person" is grossly off key and off point.

ichuka:
@1)
If you study philips2-5-7 you will know that the Son and the Father are equal in the Godheamd.


@2)
We need to ask for more Grace to Knowv Him and His revelation Power .

John14:28
"Remember what I told you: I am going away,
but I will come back to you again. If you
really loved me, you would be happy that I
am going to the Father, who is greater than I
am"

Jesus words "I AM going to the Father" ,
who is GREATER THAN I AM" disproves &
RUBBISH the Trinity FRAUD of "I AM" John8:58.

John14:28, is Jesus Christ lying?
You're quoting twisted version of Phil2:5-7.

Jesus Christ said his "Father is GREATER THAN I AM" therefore your Phil 2:5-7, Jesus is equal to his Father, God is CONTRADICTORY to John14:28.
Either you're LYING or Jesus is ....
Jesus Christ is perfect, but you're NOT.
DON'T FORGET.

@@2)

@ Ephesians 1: 17

"that the glorious Father, the God of
our Lord Jesus Christ, would give you a
spirit of wisdom and revelation as you come
to know Christ better. "

Apostle Paul says Ichuka don't even know "the glorious Father, the God of our Lord Jesus Christ",

Your Trinity FRAUD done spoil your brain.
Pls , REPENT !!

solite3:
@1
The trinity is simple,
One God but three persons.
God the father, the word the Spirit are all credited with the work of creation.
Why did you cut out part where Jesus is said to be the One Lord.

I remember somebody asked a question which you all dodged.

If Jesus is The only Lord does that not exclude the father?

@2)

1Cor 8:6
By the way Paul said all things are of the father and all things are through the son. This infact is consistent with John who said that all things was created through Jesus but let me shock you,

Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.



Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Jehovah said he stretched the heavens alone and spread abroad te earth by himself.
Was Jehovah wrong or right?
Does this not prove trinity? That Jesus is infact none else than God Almighty?
How could this be possible if God does not exist in multiplicity of persons called the trinity (father, Son and Holy ghost)
Like I earlier said dont follow blindly check yourself.

@3)
Again see,
Psalms 50:6
And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.

This is a prophecy that a time is coming when God himself will be the judge.
Look at what Jesus said


John 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


Is Jesus to be worshipped? Of course he is God
Jesus was worshipped many times in the bible, Thomas even called him my Lord and my God affirming his Deity.


.

@1)
Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord
Jesus Christ,

*** ANSWER:
Mumu Pharisees, Matt 11:25,YAHWEH "The Lord of heaven and earth has NO Lord over himself. HE is " the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"
Acts2:36, Yahweh made Jesus a lord.
Solite3 no get sense.


@2)
Solite3 quoted 1Cor 8:6 which PROVED that Jesus is distinct from Almighty God his Father in Ephesians 1:3.
Yet Solite3 still CONTRADICT himself
"That Jesus is infact none else than God Almighty"
Solite3 no get sense at all, mumu Pharisees.


**@3)
John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am
not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my
brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto
my Father, and your Father; and to my God,
and your God."

Rev3:5,12 in heaven and John 20:17 on earth render your John 20:28 false claim INVALID.

johnw47:
all things don't include Jesus,

of course Jesus wasn't created, Father begat Him

Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget
►
Jump to: Webster's • Concordance •
Thesaurus • Greek • Hebrew • Library •
Subtopics • Terms
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary
1. ( v. t. ) To procreate, as a father or sire; to
generate; to produce; as, poverty can beget
crime.
2. ( v. t. ) To get (with child.)
3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an effect; to cause to
exist.

......

"Father begat him" mumu Pharisees...
Johnw FRAUD, you dey see your FRAUD ?


@ PROOF, Jesus was created...
1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD,
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....


** You are NOT under obligation to comment on my post.
Shovel your FRAUD into your sawdust brain where it belongs.
Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE.

solite3:
You should start doing more thinking and less talking.
Things being created through Jesus is not the issue.
You are arguing against yourself.
The bible says All things was created through Jesus not some things.
Was the father created?
As far as anything is called created then it came through christ and without christ no created thing would exist that means Jesus was never created.
Do you understand now?

Solite3 & Emusan have LOST their thinking cap.

PROOF, Jesus was created...
1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD,
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....

**Ephesians 4:6
" One God and Father of all, who is
above all,"

** Emphasis:
"THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS....." ALL THINGS" includes Jesus.
That's the reason Jesus calls his Creator "My Father, my God" in heaven and earth.
The truth is ALWAYS BITTER....

The word "THROUGH" connotes an agent, (Jesus) employed by the OWNER of the CREATION PROJECT ( his Father).

Solite3 & Emusan, falsely claimed that "Jesus was never created".
Rev 3:5,12 Jesus Christ says he is his Father's Son in heaven and earth ( John20:17).

Is Jesus Christ lying?
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....
Why does Jesus Christ have the same Father in heaven and earth?

chibaby1985 Located in the REALM OF FAKE NEWS.....

vybzkartel:
Where is that fool called Janosky

https://www.nairaland.com/5267116/love

Proverbs 5:20-23..
" Why, my son, be intoxicated with another
man’s wife? Why embrace the bosom of a
wayward woman? 21 For your ways are
in full view of the LORD, and he examines
all your paths. 22 The evil deeds of the
wicked ensnare them; the cords of their
sins hold them fast. 23 For lack of
discipline they will die, led astray by their
own great folly. "

***Mumu vybzkartel , idiotic Pharisee, pls quantirinu being "intoxicated with another
man’s wife. "
Stay off my mention.

solite3:
Jesus is the source of God's creation Rev3vv14

He is before all things, how can he that is before all things be part of it.
John tells us nothing was created without Jesus

Solite3 FRAUD....
Did Jesus create his Father?
YHWH is the Father of ALL, (including Jesus) in heaven and earth. (Rev
PROOF, Jesus was created...
1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD, THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS and for whom we live; and there is only one Lord,
Jesus Christ, THROUGH whom all things were
created and through whom we live."

Ephesians 4:6
" One God and Father of all, who is above all,"

****Ephesians 3:14,15.
14 For this reason I kneel before the Father,
15 from whom every family in heaven and
on earth derives its name."

Solite3 LIAR,"the beginning of the world", CAN NOT mean "the source' of the world."
Same applicable to "the beginning" at Rev 3:14
John5:26,Jesus says his Father, 'The Father of ALL ' ,granted him life"
In heaven ,Jesus is still a son.
Solite FRAUD......

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solite3:
@1)
Jehovah witness organisation interpreted Rev 3vv14 as the first creation by God.

2)
When the bible says all things was created by Jesus.

Through Jesus all things both vissible and invisible came into being and he existed before all things that was created.

Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Colossians 1:17
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Jehovah witness lie that God did not create all things by Jesus Christ but their lies are clearly exposed by the bible

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God created all things by christ Jesus not some things.

John 1:2-3 The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

,@3)
The word was with God at the beginning not created he didnt say God ceated the word and then use him to create all other things but rather the word was already with God except they want to say that the word was created before the beginning which will contradict their proverb 8vv22 claim.

Rev 3 :14 meant Jesus is the source of all creation, which very much agree with the rest of the scriptures. A word can be used differently depending on the message to be passed. Created, begotten, beginning are exmple of words used differently to pass a message.
In proverb 8vv22 It is ridiculous to think that God really created wisdom otherwise it wilould mean God had no wisdom before he created wisdom.
The word created or quanah can also be interpreted as possess , which is of course the rather correct interpretation.

@1 )
Revelation 3:14 "the beginning of creation of God" means the start of creation.
In the same manner, "the beginning of
birth pangs " CAN NOT mean "the ruler',
'source' or originator' of birth pangs.
Solite3 Liar.

*@2)
All things came from the Father"
"Through Jesus Christ"
The key word is "THROUGH" Jesus or by means of Jesus".
If you like quote Eph3:19, John1:3 , 1 Cor8:6, Col 1:16,17 etc.
The Greek word "dia" =through or by means of", showcased your mumu FRAUD.


@3)
Englishman's Concordance
Genesis 4:1
HEB: קַ֔יִן וַתֹּ֕אמֶר קָנִ֥יתִי אִ֖ישׁ אֶת־
NAS: and she said, I have gotten a manchild
KJV: and said, I have gotten a man
ISV
she said, "I have given birth to
a male child"

NET Bible
:she said, "I have
created a man just as the LORD did!"
NHEB
"I have acquired a man with the LORD's help."

Genesis 14:19
HEB: לְאֵ֣ל עֶלְי֔וֹן קֹנֵ֖ה שָׁמַ֥יִם וָאָֽרֶץ׃
NAS: Most High, Possessor of heaven
KJV: God, possessor of heaven
INT: God Most Possessor of heaven and
earth
Genesis 14:22
HEB: אֵ֣ל עֶלְי֔וֹן קֹנֵ֖ה שָׁמַ֥יִם וָאָֽרֶץ׃
NAS: Most High, possessor of heaven
KJV: God, the possessor of heaven
INT: God Most possessor of heaven and
earth"

Wayo solite3 LIAR.....
Genesis 4:1 how did Eve /acquire/ gotten/created a man with Yahweh's help?

Genesis 14:22.14:19, how did Yahweh possess the heaven and earth?
Yahweh possessed heaven and earth, possessed the creature personified as wisdom in Prov 8:22, because Yahweh OWNED them by creation.
Jesus Christ was already a son before he was born on earth (Isaiah 9:6. Heb1:5).
Can a son in heaven (Rev3:5) exist before his Father or be his Father ? No !!!!!
Solite3 , you're a confirmed FRAUD alongside your FRAUD doctrine.

Makweembo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beayvbtHFyw

The news of Benny Hinn’s public rejection and renunciation of the ‘prosperity Gospel’ has been hailed as a watershed moment within Evangelical Christianity.

However, it remains to be seen whether his ‘correction of theology’ will be equally embraced by the multiple prosperity preachers permeating Africa, many of whom regard him as a mentor.

This week, Pastor Benny Hinn admitted the controversial teaching that believers have a right to the blessings of health and wealth through the “sowing of seeds” is actually unbiblical and “an offense to the Holy Spirit”.

Hinn, once known as one of the most aggressive promoters of the Prosperity Gospel, told viewers during a live broadcast: “I don’t want to get to Heaven and be rebuked. I think it’s time we say it like it is: The gospel is not for sale. Healing is not for sale. Prosperity is not for sale.”

His public reversal on the issue comes in the wake of his nephew, Costi Hinn – who once worked and travelled with him – releasing a damning book titled ‘God, Greed, and the (Prosperity) Gospel’.

Costi described working in the ‘Hinn dynasty’ as a fusion of “royal family” flamboyancy and “mafia” secrecy, detailing how money faithfully given to the ministry was squandered on mansions, private jets and fast cars and loyalty cherished above honesty.

However, irrespective of the wide-ranging opinions about Hinn and his legitimacy, his influence in the new generation of African preachers is undeniable.

In recent years, Hinn held several high-profile events with Nigerian Pastor Chris Oyakhilome – also a known proponent of the Prosperity Gospel and faith-healing – the duo even launching a new television network in USA.

He has also held public meetings with Nigerian prosperity preachers Ayo Oritsejafor and Biodun Fatoyinbo (currently in the eye of the storm for multiple accusations of rape and sexual impropriety), Ghanaian Bishop Nicholas Duncan-Williams and Zimbabwean ‘Prophet’ Uebert Angel.


His style of message and ministration can be seen mirrored by charismatic preachers throughout the continent, with the fixation on ‘seed faith’ championed by the likes of Matthew Ashimolowo, Funke Adejumo and David Oyedepo.

A large portion of Pentecostal church services in Africa is usually dedicated to the ‘collection of offerings’ and reports of pastors taking money in exchange for ‘prayers and prophecy’ are rampant.

News and views about the flamboyant lifestyle of African ‘men of God’ dominate gossip sites and social media, with pastors often competing to join ‘the richest list’ as if material assets somehow equalled spiritual validity.

While many African believers have been vocal in their support of Hinn’s announcement on Facebook (albeit some doubting its sincerity), most pastors have been conspicuously silent.

“Nigerian and African ‘pastorprenuers’, Benny Hinn has told you the bitter truth,”opined Otunba Oliseh on Facebook. “Stop collecting illegal money from your Church members!”

“Benny is finally coming to the light! I believe he is watching TB Joshua – one of the only African preachers I know who makes it clear the Gospel is not for sale,”penned Kato Gabakaiwe from Botswana.

Others called on Hinn to back up his ‘repentance’ with ‘restitution’. “If Benny Hinn is genuinely rejecting the prosperity gospel, he needs to do what Zacchaeus did and pay back anyone he has cheated out of their money,”wrote Rich Colon, an African-American, on Twitter.

While Benny’s recent turnaround is indeed commendable, it appears the damage is done to the African church as the manipulative teachings he once championed will not be quickly undone.

There are indeed genuine ministers of the Gospel in Africa but those who prey on the gullible with a focus on financial incentives are likely to be unmoved by Hinn’s remorse, lest their ‘business’ suffers additional loss.

SOURCE: Opinion Nigeria - http://www.opinionnigeria.com/the-impact-of-benny-hinns-rejection-of-the-prosperity-gospel-in-africa-by-tawia-acheampong/

Conmenpreneurs & pastorpreneurs everywhere!

"Touch not my covetousness and do my profits no harm."
Their "God" is their belly.
Fool mortal men, buy you can't fool Almighty YHWH.

solite3:
The word translated as beginning means Arche
Which can either be translated as
1. The ruler
2.first
3. Origin
The word arche can somehow be interpreted as ruler
It cannot be interpreted as first created the book of John has already silenced any notion that christ is part of the creation.
The most accurate word be origin or source which agree with the other scriptures.

The new word translation is wrong to have interpreted Rev 3:14 as the first of the creation by God since John already told us that All things created was done by Christ.

Wayo solite3 Pharisee & twister...

John1:1 "in the beginning..." does NOT mean 'the ruler..." ,solite3 can't TWIST it.

John 1:1-2says "the Word was with (ho theon) the God ".
PROOF: Jesus is NOT the God.
V3 "The world was made THROUGH ("Dia" by means of ) him. "
The same word ,THROUGH ("Dia" by means of ) him" @1Cor8:6. Col 1:16. Heb1:3).
The Greek lexicon is "Dia"= through him, by means of him.. , NOT "by him"
Your KJV, @ Colossians 1:15 says "Jesus is the first born of every creature ".
That expression is very clear enough.
Solite3 LIAR twisting the meaning of beginning.....

Rev3:14 (KJV) "the beginning of the creation of God" . NWT is accurate, in accord with KJV.
Mark 13:19 "..the beginning of creation..."
Mark10:6 "the beginning of creation..."
Phil4:15"the beginning of the gospel "
Mark13:8 "the beginning of birth pangs "
Matt24:21 "the beginning of the world "
Gen49:3 " the beginning of my strength"
"The beginning of (the) creation",
"beginning of the gospel "
"the beginning of birth pangs "
"the beginning of the world",
"the beginning of my strength"

** In ALL of these, "the beginning" means 'the start or first' (Compare Genesis 49:3. Deu21:17. In both instances," the beginning of my strength" is MY FIRSTBORN. "Jesus is firstborn of every creature", Col 1:15,KJV).
@ Rev3:14,he is "the beginning of the creation of God"
"The beginning" at Rev 3:14 does NOT mean 'the ruler', 'source' or originator'


In the same manner, "the beginning of birth pangs " OR "the beginning of the world", CAN NOT mean "the ruler', 'source' or originator' of birth pangs/the world.

solite3:
@1) You see your problem? You dont even know what Trinity is you just gobble anything watch tower throw at you.

@2)
Trinity is never three beings.

Wayo solite3 wey no get sense. U sabi LIE well well.


Trinity


"The Trinity holds that God is one God, but three coeternal consubstantial persons or hypostases—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—as "one God in three Divine persons". The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature". Wikipedia


@2) A person (whether human or spirit) is a being.

solite3:
If we must take the word ' begotten son' literally then it would mean God gave birth to a son and not God created a son.
But yet same Jehovah witness do not take it literally but figuratively to mean created, isnt that breaking your own rules?

Wayo solite3 wey no get sense, continue to lie..
Psalms 90:2,how did Jehovah "born the mountains " and "gave birth to the earth? "

** Psalms 90:2
"Before the mountains were born, before you gave birth to the earth and the world, from beginning to end, you are God"

born, create, give birth ,brought forth, produce (beget= begotten, past tense/past participle of beget)
These 6 words are synonymous.
The Hebrew word "qanah" covers all of them.

blueAgent:
Is the word "Trinity" found anywhere in the Bible? No, it's not. Is the phrase "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit" in the Bible? No. So what does the Bible say? THE FATHER: - 'God the Father' 13 times; 'The most high God' 11 times; 'The Highest' 6 times; 'The only true God' 1 time. JESUS CHRIST: - 'Son of God' 48 times; 'only begotten' 6 times; God's 'Holy Child' 2 times; His 'firstborn' 4 times. HOLY SPIRIT: - 'Spirit of God' 26 times; 'God's Spirit' 9 times; 'Thy Spirit' 4 times; 'Spirit of your Father' 1 time; 'Spirit of Christ' 2 times. TRINITARIAN: - 'God the Holy Spirit' 0 times; 'God the Son' 0 times; 'God in three persons' 0 times; 'trinity' or 'triune God' 0 times.

KNOCK OUT PUNCH !!!!!! blueAgent, oshe gaan .