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Ihedinobi3:
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@1), it is clear that Hebrews sees the Father and the Son as two separate Persons. It is also rather obvious that Hebrews reports that the Father regards the Son as God. And we know that God is One, not two, from elsewhere in the Bible. Therefore, we must conclude that Hebrews teaches that Father and Son, though separate Persons, are one God and, therefore, one Being, since God is One.



@2)

For one thing, God is not "a" being. God is Being or Existence itself. That is what His Name YHVH or YHWH means. He is the "IS". Thus, He cannot be a multiple. He is the Infinite One. And in the One Infinite, there are Three Persons, according to the Bible. That there are multiple Persons in One single Infinite Being is obviously not in the experience of creatures,


@3)
there is one God and that there are multiple Persons Who are each God.


@4)
In John 20:17, the Scripture says:

[17]Jesus said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'"
John 20:17 NASB

And in John 8:54, it also says:

[54]Jesus answered, "If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, 'He is our God';
John 8:54 NASB
So, we know that the Father is God.



**** Those who submit to the Bible's authority come to understand it just fine. The problem is when one comes to the Bible to dictate to it what it may or may not say.


@5 (I)

Multiple human persons do not become one being. That is common sense. But it is also common sense that human beings and other creatures are most certainly not God.

@5 (ii)

that God is different from me, and from other creatures. I don't mind that. It doesn't bother, concern, or worry me. I'm happy being a lowly creature who is incapable of existing as God does.


@6)
So, the question is whether human nature is opposite to Divine nature. I think the answer is obviously no.
So, there is no contradiction between the Divine Nature and the Human. The human one is merely a far inferior one to the Divine one.


@7).
That is, the great God loved us enough to humble Himself and become a mere human like us so that He could suffer death -

"Those who submit to the Bible's authority come to understand it just fine. The problem is when one comes to the Bible to dictate to it what it may or may not say".


@1,@2 and @3, Ihedinobi, says "Father and Son are two separate Persons" therefore separate entities = separate Gods, not one God because to quote 'Ihedinobi',
"YHWH, Thus, He cannot be a multiple. He is the Infinite One",
In plain, simple English, YHWH the "Infinite One " no be subset of three oooo!!! ( YHWH Most High God, Psalms 83:18, is Infinite).
No other "God" reach YHWH level.

@4)
In heaven and earth, Jesus Christ called YHWH "our God", John8:54. 20:17.
Ihedinobi, show us from your Bible where YHWH called Jesus "our God"...
@Hebrews1:9, who is that "God,your God"?
Did God anoint God?

*@5) and @6), Ihedinobi CONTRADICTS himself.
This man admits he's "incapable of existing as God does." (in Divine nature).
"So, the question is whether human nature is opposite to Divine nature. I think the answer is obviously no."
Ihedinobi is a LIAR.

@7, John 6:46. 5:37. 1:18."No man has seen God in the flesh at any time."
Why is 'Ihedinobi' making Jesus Christ a LIAR?
God NEVER died for man or you mean Jesus Christ lied at John 3:16 and 1John 4:14?

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Man Utd2 Vs Chelsea 3. Final score.

Maximus69:
@Bolded

That's where you missed it!

Someone is issuing the orders and the other is doing the work.
JEHOVAH is the first person while Jesus is the second acting on the instructions of the owner of the work so if you carefully read and meditate on the account @ Genesis chapter 1 you'll understand!

He's twisting what the Bible says because it doesn't tally with his preconceived notions and he FALSELY claimed it's "JW theology"

Abdulgaffar22:
Pls read what is written below;

According to the theology of JWs, Jesus was the FIRST-BORN of all creation ( Colossians 1:15) and Jesus was the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of God (John 3:16). So Jesus was the FIRST and ONLY creature created directly by God. That is to say, God created Jesus, and then it was Jesus that created all other things ( Colossians 1:16, John 1:3). This is the theology of JWs.
In short, this theology says; after God finished the creation of Jesus Christ, He then assigned the creation of ALL OTHER THINGS to Jesus Christ.
If this is true, then all the series of commands causing the heavens, the earth, the light, the animals and the plants into existence should be coming directly from JESUS' MOUTH
But unfortunately, this is not so !
See below what happened during the time of creation;
Genesis 1: 3, 6, 9, 11, 14, 20, 24
1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
1:6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water."
1:9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so.
1:11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so.

1:14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,
1:20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky."
1:24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so.

As you can see from above, at the beginning, the heavens, the earth, the animals and plants were created by the series of commands coming out from GOD'S MOUTH: NOT FROM JESUS' MOUTH

So how exactly did God employ Jesus to do the act of creation for him ?

It is very easy to lie but very difficult to defend it.

Tell us exactly how Jesus partook in the Creation of heavens and the earth ? What special role did he play ?


Furthermore, Genesis 2:2-3 says as follows;

"And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He RESTED on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He RESTED from all His work which God had CREATED and MADE.

This is the great question;

If God assigned the Creation of ALL OTHER THINGS to Jesus according to Paul (Colossians 1:16) and John (John 1:3), then why did God have to REST on the seventh day from all his work as written in the verses above ?

It is very easy to lie but very difficult to defend it!

Abdulgaffar22 FALSE claim:
"In short, this theology says; after God finished the creation of Jesus Christ, He then assigned the creation of ALL OTHER things to Jesus Christ"
**Abdulgaffar22 is twisting the teaching of JWs for his selfish ends.

Pls open this link to see the correct teaching of JWs ....
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002451

**"According to the theology of JWs, Jesus was the FIRST-BORN of all creation ( Colossians 1:15) and Jesus was the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of God (John 3:16). So Jesus was the FIRST and ONLY creature created directly by God."
Yes !! But from your Bible.....
According to the holy Bible which Abdulgaffar22 can verify at Rev3:14. Col 1:15, Hebrew 1:1-3, Proverb 8:22,30, John3:16.

$#* Your Bible says Jesus was there, as " the craftsman" (Proverbs 8:30,) when Jehovah "MADE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH" (Proverbs 8:27-29).
Jehovah created me (Jesus) at the beginning of his works" Proverb 8:22, Jesus was Jehovah's "craftsman", (or call him Jehovah's
Assistant ) during creation.

Stick to what Jesus/ your Bible says (John15:15).

Maximus69:
@bolded!

Henry Ford have said that a million times Sir!

That's why no other name is known globally in connection with the brand apart from ~FORD!

Abdulgaffar22 wants the name of every worker of Ford motor company to be bold printed on the vehicle.


**Coach Pep Guardiola win EPL title with Man City, you dey hear where him dey talk say his assistant's win the EPL title?
Being the head, he will take the credit.
Does Guardiola not have an Assistant?

Abdulgaffar22:
Do you even know that it is logically wrong to believe that God assigned the creation of all things to another person other than Himself ?
Let me ask you some questions;
1. How do we know that God really exist ? Was it not through His act of creation ?


Honestly, if God really assigned the creation of ALL things to another person, then "all what that make God to be God" has been given out to that person. Of course, this is impossible because God has declared that He would NEVER give out His glory to another person (Isaiah 48:11, 42:8-9). Yet there is no any God's glory that is greater than the glory of General Creation.



So apart from Isaiah 44:24, 48:13 and others which make us to know that God did not assign the act of general creation to anybody other than Himself, we also logically know that such kind of assignment would be equivalent to God's giving out His Glory to another; something He promised never to do



However, if you insist that this passage of Proverbs 8:22-30 refers to Jesus being PRESENT WITH GOD during the time of general Creation, then you have to accept that the question asked by God at the end of Isaiah 44:24 NWT - "WHO WAS WITH ME ?" is totally contradictory to what you believe.

May God guide you to the truth

You're missing the point.
The context of Isaiah chapter 44 from verse1 helps us to grasp meaning of verse44.
Vs1-6,Israel is Jehovah's servant but they drifted towards idolatry,verses 7-20,

** verses 21-23, Jehovah assures He will forgive them and welcome them back.

**#* Verses 24-27, Jehovah tells Israel why He is more powerful than the idolatrous gods.
He created Wisdom (, Jesus,1Cor1:24,30) & the Universe ( a fact expressed in Proverbs 8:22,27-29).
"Wisdom" was Jehovah's craftsman during creation,vs30 ), no idol ever did.
*# In Isaiah 44:24, Jehovah proved He is Superior over Israel's man made idol gods (in Isaiah 44:8-20).

***## Pls study Proverb 8:27-29 again and again...

*27 When the Heavens were established, I
was with him, and when he made a circle
over the face of the depths.
*28 And when he empowered the clouds from
above and when he strengthened the
springs of the depths,
*29 When he set the law of the Sea and the
waters would not disobey his mouth, when
he made the foundations of the Earth",
Jehovah "MADE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH", but Jesus was his "craftsman" Jehovah's assistant, (Proverbs 8:30).

**(2). John15:15
"..... I speak to you as my friends, and I
have told you everything my Father has told
me."

Abdulgaffar22:
God Almighty says;

''I am the LORD, who has made everything, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth BY MYSELF(Isaiah 44:24)

Can you show us where Henry Ford said that he ALONE made all the ford cars sold to customers? Or where he said I built all the ford cars by MYSELF

God Almighty also declares as follows;

"MY OWN HAND laid the foundations of the earth, and MY RIGHT HAND spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they all stand up together. (Isaiah 48:13)"

Can you also show us where Henry Ford said every ford cars sold to customers was built by MY OWN HANDS ?

May God guide you to the right path

***Proverbs 8:22-30
"Lord Jehovah created* me at the
beginning of his creation and from before
all of his works". *
23 And before the world he was possessed
by me, and from the beginning, before he
would establish the Earth.
24 Before the depths would be, I was born,
and before there would be waters in the
springs.
25 And before the mountains would be
established, and before the hills, I was
formed in the womb.
26 Before he would make the Earth and the
floods and the beginning of the dust of the
world
27 When the Heavens were established, I
was with him, and when he made a circle
over the face of the depths.
28 And when he empowered the clouds from
above and when he strengthened the
springs of the depths,
29 When he set the law of the Sea and the
waters would not disobey his mouth, when
he made the foundations of the Earth,
30 I was fashioning with him; he was
rejoicing in me everyday, and I have been
rejoicing before him always."


@Abdulgaffar22, if you don't grasp the message in Prov8:22-30, nothing else will satisfy you.
Jehovah created Jesus, anything Jesus did in the time of creation, Jehovah alone has the right to take the credit.

achorladey:
Human knowledge is a dynamic, expanding thing, both on a personal level and collectively. When beliefs become crystallized in the form of creeds or official teachings to which people are required to conform in order to perpetuate an ORGANIZATION, conflict inevitably results. It produces a dividing line between what the parliamentarian calls “SERVANTS of the SPIRIT” and “PRISONERS of the ORGANIZATION.”


[If a religious organization, its] message will crystallize into a CREED. Before long, the principal concern of the CHURCH will be to sustain itself as an ORGANIZATION. To this end, any departure from the CREED must be CONTROVERTED and, if necessary, SUPPRESSED as HERESY. In a few score or few hundred years what was CONCEIVED as a VEHICLE of a new and HIGHER TRUTH has become a PRISON for the SOULS of MEN.

BIBLESPEAKS Screenshot ("is Family an Organization" encapsulates the A-Z of Jehovah's organization in layman's terms- their "shared interests" is united in worship of the only true God.
Achorla dey LIE flimsy excuses to amounts to denial of the truth.
Jehovah's organization is for real jare.

@Abdulgaffar22, Jehovah created Jesus Christ (Wisdom of God (1Cor1: 24,30) personified in Prov8:22-30. Jesus calls his Father "Lord of heaven and earth", Matt11:25.
The Creator of any idea takes the credit for his achievements regardless of how many individual(s) who worked with him to concretize it into a real object.

***Proverbs 8:22-30
"Lord Jehovah created* me at the
beginning of his creation and from before
all of his works". *
23 And before the world he was possessed
by me, and from the beginning, before he
would establish the Earth.
24 Before the depths would be, I was born,
and before there would be waters in the
springs.
25 And before the mountains would be
established, and before the hills, I was
formed in the womb.
26 Before he would make the Earth and the
floods and the beginning of the dust of the
world
27 When the Heavens were established, I
was with him, and when he made a circle
over the face of the depths.
28 And when he empowered the clouds from
above and when he strengthened the
springs of the depths,
29 When he set the law of the Sea and the
waters would not disobey his mouth, when
he made the foundations of the Earth,
30 I was fashioning with him; he was
rejoicing in me everyday, and I have been
rejoicing before him always."

** Isaiah 44:24 NEVER contradicts Colossians 1:16 or John1:3.
In Isaiah 44:24, Jehovah takes the credit, (Jesus also gives his Father credit too, in Matt11:25) bearing in mind that Proverbs 8:22-30 gives "MORE MEAT to the flesh" of Colossians 1:16, John1:3 & Isaiah 44:24.

***Henry Ford's ingenuity gave birth to Ford motor cars.
Do we conclude that he singlehandedly built every Ford car that was sold to customers?
Peace be unto you.

bingbagbo:
, 'I am Jesus, the one you are persecu[b]ting. [ It is hard for you to kick against the goads.' 6So[/b] Saul, shaking and astounded, asked, 'Lord, what do you want me to do?' The Lord said to Saul,] 'Arise and go into the city, and there you will be told what you must do.' ” (Acts 9:3-6)


Repent!

Acts9:17-20.

17And Ananias went his way and entered
the house; and laying his hands on him he
said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who
appeared to you on the road as you came,
has sent me that you may receive your sight
and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
18Immediately there fell from his eyes
something like scales, and he received his
sight at once; and he arose and was
baptized.
19So when he had received food, he was
strengthened. Then Saul spent some days
with the disciples at Damascus.

**Saul Preaches Christ
20Immediately he preached the Christ in the
synagogues, that He is the Son of God."


@bingbagbo ,lying Pharisees, pathetic LIAR, Acts9:20, what did Paul (Saul) preach after his encounter with Jesus Christ ?

bingbagbo:
Jesus Christ was God Almighty.... Jesus Christ is the God of the old testament (YHWH)
.

IamPlato:
Jesus Is Not God The Father... They Are Not The Same Personality

"IamPlato & bingbagbo Trinity worshippers ALWAYS DISAGREE with their satanic doctrine.....

Confused Pharisees with confused doctrines.....Lols.

The only true God Jehovah is NOT a God of confusion. 1Cor14:33

bingbagbo:
How many Gods do you JWs have? If two then you are antichrists since there is only but one God. How come you JWs have Almighty God and a mighty God? JWs why this blatant lie?

bingbagbo satanic LYING PHARISEE....
Psalms 82:1,6, Jehovah says bingbagbo is a "mighty God "


►
" Psalm 82:1
A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the
congregation of the mighty; he judgeth
among the gods.(KJV)."

***Psalms 82:6.
"I, the Most High God, say that all of you are
gods and also my own children."


" I -- I have said, 'Gods ye are, And sons of
the Most High -- all of you"(YLT).

,**1) Jehovah is the mighty God.

"The Mighty One, God, Jehovah, hath spoken,
And called the earth from the rising of the
sun unto the going down thereof."
Psalms 50:1. Deu10:17.. Joshua 22:22.


*#2). The title "mighty God" was conferred on Jesus Christ. Isaiah 9:6.


**3) VERDICT:
The expression "Mighty God" is a title of the Most High God, Jehovah which the Most High Father has graciously conferred on Jesus and on mankind.

FACT: Bingbagbo is a pathetic satanic lying Pharisee twisting the holy Scriptures.

[quote author=Solohmony post=81051883][/quote]"Nobody in right sense and mind will be
arguing with fact. I know that your
mind has already been taken away
from you by the devil. Either God
deliver you or you die like that and you
will know the truth after your death."

***** Solohmony, why do you graft your NONSENSICAL post into my post?

One man is husband to his wife,Father to his kids etc, did Jesus say himself is the Father and holy spirit?

Acts9:20, what did apostle Paul preach after he received holy spirit?

Rev3:2,5 who did Jesus Christ in heaven call "my Father", "my God" ?
Why would your "almighty God" living in heaven call another Superior Being "my God"?

In John20:28, Thomas said "my God", in Rev3:2, Jesus said "my God", are they saying the same thing?


You have the option to give answers to series of questions you been dodge or just shut up....

johnw47:
to believe that they are God's orginisation


christians don't need to repeat over and over again that we are God's people,
for God has given us that faith where we know:

Eph 2:8  for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Author of brainwashed, nondenominational poo. Jesus disciples usually congregated together,no segregation.
Your "crook's orginisation" is strictly for Pharisees like you.
"Christians don't need to repeat over and over again that we are God's people,"

How many persons make a people?
Lying Pharisee, you done tear Hebrew 10:23-25 comot from your copy of the Bible?

Since 19gbidigbidi when sense take flight from you medulla oblongata.
Johnw no go even fit do fellowship with rottennaija. lols

bingbagbo:
(1) You want to know where Jesus called himself God? Then see below


Jesus Said He Existed Before Abraham and called himself I AM. Who is I AM ?

"Your father Abraham rejoiced as he looked forward to my coming. He saw it and was glad."

*2) Jesus Said to See Him is the Same as Seeing God

Jesus shouted to the crowds, "If you trust me, you are trusting not only me, but also God who sent me[b]. For when you see me, you are seeing the one who sent me[/b].
"5

"No one can come to the Father except through me. If you had really known me, you would know who my Father is. From now on, you do know him and have seen him!"
Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied."
Jesus replied, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don't know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! [/b]So why are you asking me to show him to you?"



Jesus says He is God and if you don't believe you will die in your sins

Jesus Said He Is the Judge and Can Grant Eternal Life
"For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father."


Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live." Jesus is life , and you think He is a mere human or and angel? Which angel is life and resurrection? Who else is life but God?

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand."

"For it is my Father's will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day."

Jesus Said He Was the Same as God
"The Father and I are one."
Once again the people picked up stones to kill him.
Jesus said, "At my Father's direction I have done many good works. For which one are you going to stone me?"
They replied, "We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God."


Anyone who still doubts that this Jesus is no other person but the same Father the creator is possessed with a demon and blinded with his conscience smeared with a hot rod.

Demon of falsehood built a mansion in your heart ..... lols.
Bingbagbo shameless liar.
1) How come Jesus is the servant of the God of Abraham in heaven ?(Acts3:13. Rev3:2,5).
(the God who spoke to Moses at the burning bush) .Acts3:13. Exodus 3:14,15.
Yeshua was NEVER "I am that I am".
Bingbagbo fraud claims


*2) "Jesus said, 'At my Father's direction I have done many good works."
Bingbagbo already CONTRADICTS himself.
Why would your "almighty God" need his "Father's direction"?
*3) "The Father and I are one."
"A man and his wife is ONE flesh?
"God made them ONE".
Bingbagbo ,is A man and his wife are ONE being?
(Mal2:15. Matt19:6).

,4) Jesus replied, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don't know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father!
Jesus Christ is NOT the Father ,oh Lying Pharisees.,
If you welcome his disciples, you have welcome Jesus, if you welcome Jesus, you have welcomed his Father.
No man can see Jesus Father ,John 6:46. 5:37.
But we have to believe the son whom his Father sent as his representative. John7:16. 17:3.
[*Matt 10:40
“Anyone who welcomes you welcomes
me,m and anyone who welcomes me
welcomes the one who sent me."

enilove:
You want to know where in the Bible Jesus called himself God?

Here are the places :

Revelation 1:8-11 KJV
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
[9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
[10] I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
[11] Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.


Probably you did not read this below scriptures b4 . Jesus was accused of calling himself God by saying 'he and his Father are one' . Jesus did not deny this :

John 10:32-39 KJV
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
[34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
[35] If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
[36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? [
37] If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. [38] But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
[39] Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

If you still don't believe :
John 1:1-2 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.

I wouldn't have bothered myself contributing to this thread if it wasn't for the unbeliever that commented earlier. The reason being , whether we believe the divinity of Jesus or not ,when we get to heaven we shall know.
And I know the Scriptures cannot be broken.

** Yeshua (Jesus)
Enilove, John10:33-36

John10:33,Who said : "thou makest thyself God"?
Answer: The Jews said so. Not Jesus.
The Jews LIED.
John10:34-36] Jesus answered them,...and the Scripture cannot be broken;
[36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
** John10:36, Jesus said, because I said, I am the Son of God?

*2) Enilove False Claim:"Jesus was accused of calling himself God by saying 'he and his Father are one' . Jesus did not deny this :
Enilove and her spouse are one. "God made them one" Mal2:15.
Matt19:6, how did man and wife become ONE flesh?
**Is Eni and her spouse ONE being?

[Aramaic Bible in Plain English]
**Rev1:1,5-8.

1 The Revelation of Yeshua The Messiah,
which God gave to him, to show his
Servants what had been given to soon
occur, and he symbolized* it when he sent
by his Angel to his Servant Yohannan,
* 5 And from Yeshua The
Messiah, the Trustworthy Witness, the
Firstborn of the dead and The Ruler of the
Kings of The Earth- him who loves us and
has loosed* us from our sins by his blood.
6 And he has made us The Priestly Kingdom
to God and his Father; to him be glory and
Empire to the eternity of eternities. Amen.
7 Behold, he comes with clouds and every
eye shall see him, even those who pierced
him, and all the families of The Earth shall
mourn for him; yes and amen!
8 I am The Alap and The Tau*, says THE
LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has
been and is coming, The Almighty.

** Yeshua (Jesus) choose us to "serve God his Father"(verse 6), why does your "almighty God" in heaven have a Father in heaven if he is "almighty"?

**who is the Almighty God in Rev1:8?
NOTE:
(i) Rev "I am the beginning and the end" was added to the KJV. Those words do not exist in the oldest mss available.

(2) *Rev1:11 "I am alpha and omega" was smuggled into the KJV too.
Just to support a man made scam.

Thomas said "my God", (John 20:28), Jesus in heaven said "my God" (Rev3:2), are they saying the same thing?

Come here & LIE that "my God" means something else..... Lol.

UceeGod:
Jesus referred to His Father as "My God" when He was on earth, He is now in Heaven and still doing the same. That doesn't in any way make Him inferior as a BEING but only as the second PERSON in the triune God.

Of course you wouldn't expect God the FATHER to communicate direct with John when Christ the SON has already been revealed as the MOST HIGH GOD.

Oturugbeke !!!!!!!
Ucee, Ucee !!!!



Where did Jesus Christ tell you he's "the MOST HIGH GOD"?
Can you explain what's in your Bible, Psalms 83:18 & Matt16:16,17 KJV)?

peggywebbs:
I gave you a detailed answer using the scriptures because the bible is complete. I didn't have to check watchtower where someone just picked his favourite verse to make him happy.

Everything I said is as the bible put it... pray to God to give you understanding. Study your bible and let the Holy Spirit minister to you for interpretation. Simple.

But no.. instead you will read watchtower for understanding. I will never twist the word of God. Instead if I'm not clear on a matter I pray.

I prayed before answering all your questions but yet you were quick to reject the scriptures you even presented to me.

Go and find out the truth, watchtower doesn't have all the answers, Jesus is the way, the truth and the light.

And nobody created him because he is the word of the Father
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2) Rev1:1,5,6, what revelation did
Jesus in heaven give to John ?
[b]
As usual quoting one part.
Revelation 1:4 ERV, “From John, To the
seven churches in the province of Asia:
Grace and peace to you from the one
who is, who always was, and who is
coming; and from the seven spirits
before his throne;”
Revelation 1:5-6 ERV, “and from Jesus
Christ. Jesus is the faithful witness. He
is first among all who will be raised
from death. He is the ruler of the kings
of the earth. Jesus is the one who
loves us and has made us free from
our sins with his blood sacrifice. He
made us his kingdom and priests who
serve God his Father. To Jesus be
glory and power forever and ever!
Amen.”
Within this simple greeting can be
found a neglected doctrine of
paramount importance: the Trinity. The
greeting is from each member of the
Trinity: from Him who is and who was
and who is to come (the Father), from
the seven Spirits who are before His
throne (the Holy Spirit), and from
Jesus Christ (the Son).

*1) Your "holy spirit" tell you say him be 'seven spirits'?
The Father no get throne, na holy spirit throne?
Oturugbeke!!!!!!

**2) Psalms 89:27, David is called first born, would David be first born if he had no Father Jesse in the strict sense of the word, "Father"?

Rev 3:14,"Jesus is Firstborn of creation" no get any twisting.
Everyone called "first born" in the scriptures had a beginning, Israel is God's first born, does Israel not have a beginning?

Bible > Strong's > Hebrew > 1060
◄ 1060. bekor
►
Strong's Concordance
bekor: first-born
Original Word: בְּכוֹר
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: bekor
Phonetic Spelling: (bek-ore')
Definition: first-born
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from bakar
Definition
first-born
NASB Translation
firstborn (118), firstlings (1), most (1), oldest
(3).

##3) You wey get holy spirit,give me your "holy spirit answer to my questions:
Rev1:5, who raised your "almighty God" from the dead?

*Rev1:5, So , your "almighty God" in heaven "made us (humans) his kingdom and priests who serve God his Father?"
Your "almighty God" dey heaven dey "serve God his Father" in heaven,Yes or no?

** You said Jesus is " one with God & equal with God" .
In heaven why does he "serve God his Father", he calls "my God", & not vice versa?

You claimed Thomas called Jesus "my God" because he is God.(John20:28).
In heaven Jesus calls his Father, "my God" (Rev3:2).
Is Thomas and Jesus saying the same thing ?

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PastorAIO:
Au contraire mon ami.

The contentious need to superior by any means necessary can be found in Kumuyi's henchmen and Charlie Russell's disciples both.

That's your own opinion, though.
Your freedom of speech is guaranteed.

Uteghe:
Russelite spotted. Worshiper of CT Russell,a self confessed occultist. Have a great day.

As usual, LYING PHARISEE uteghe.. congratulobia.

www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/russell_c/russell_c.html

peggywebbs:
Wow..now the bible is lying.. because I definitely only used scriptures.

The spiritual supersedes the physical.

John14:28 Jesus says "the Father is greater than I"
In heaven (Rev3:2,5) and on earth (John20:17),Jesus says "My God","my Father".
You're twisting the words of Jesus Christ and his apostles.Acts9:20.
Man and wife are one Matt19:6. You're twists John10:30.
* PROOF Peggy has been LYING.

"Who is the God of the Father of Jesus?"
In other words
The Father of Jesus na servant of which God?
Simple question.

But you dey here dey twist the Bible pass the twists and curves of Congo River......
Lol.
Peggy just kwantirinu to enjoy your FALSEHOOD.

peggywebbs:
You're still arguing baselessly on something that was printed on magazine..mtchew for you. Unless you don't understand English.

Let me make life easy for you.. just search Google for JW prophecies and cover your eyes... because it's not only peggywebbs that has something to say about it.

Besides I never argued about other people's version of the bible. My argument has been solely on the JW bible.. you gave yourself work quoting versions that ar out of the context of our argument.

Stop painting me as a lier and argue your facts right..that just cheap

peggywebbs:
The Jesus you claim to know is NOT the real Jesus of the holy Bible.

The Jesus I know is the same in the bible and not the one in the watchtower magazine.

Copy these 6 questions & give your pastorpreneur god of men.
But Answer my 6 questions ,no dull yourself.


**1) John10:34-36, who is Jesus Christ telling you he is?

[b]You people pick one portion of the bible to rub your belly and disregard the rest. This is the Jesus that my bible tells me.

“I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).
John 10:38 ERV, “But if I do what my Father does, you should believe in what I do. You might not believe in me, but you should believe in the things I do. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

John 1:1-3,
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” To make it absolutely clear who “the Word” was, it states in verse 14, “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”
A most important point needs to be made about verse 3. It says nothing was made without Him. So was Jesus created? No, because had Jesus been made, He would have had to create Himself!
In John 1:4 we read, “In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.”
The Bible is the written Word of God, and Jesus Christ is the living, personified Word of God—a separate Being who was sent to speak the words of God.
John 8:58: “Jesus said to them, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.’”
John 17:5: “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”
1 Corinthians 10:4: “And all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.” Christ existed, and He worked with Israel. The context shows clearly that the time frame is when Israel came out of Egypt into the wilderness.
Colossians 1:16-17: “For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist” (emphasis added throughout). Jesus Christ is the One through whom all things were brought into existence.
Unless you want to say he created himself. The bible says there was nothing like creation without him.
Hebrews 1:10: “And: ‘You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.’” This is quoted from Psalm 102:25 and supports the previous verse from Colossians.
Hebrews 13:8: “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.”
Timothy 3:16, “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory.”
Titus 1:3: “But has in due time manifested His word through preaching, which was committed to me according to the commandment of God our Savior.”
Titus 2:9‭-‬10 ERV, “And tell this to those who are slaves: They should be willing to serve their masters at all times; they should try to please them, not argue with them; they should not steal from them; and they should show their masters that they can be trusted. Then, in everything they do, they will show that the teaching of God our Savior is good.”‬
Titus 2:13 ERV, “We should live like that while we are waiting for the coming of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. He is our great hope, and he will come with glory.”
Matthew 1:23, which is quoted from Isaiah 7:14: “‘Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,’ which is translated ‘God with us.’”
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2) Rev1:1,5,6, what revelation did Jesus in heaven give to John ?
[b]
As usual quoting one part.

Revelation 1:4 ERV, “From John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from the one who is, who always was, and who is coming; and from the seven spirits before his throne;”

Revelation 1:5‭-‬6 ERV, “and from Jesus Christ. Jesus is the faithful witness. He is first among all who will be raised from death. He is the ruler of the kings of the earth. Jesus is the one who loves us and has made us free from our sins with his blood sacrifice. He made us his kingdom and priests who serve God his Father. To Jesus be glory and power forever and ever! Amen.”‬

Within this simple greeting can be found a neglected doctrine of paramount importance: the Trinity. The greeting is from each member of the Trinity: from Him who is and who was and who is to come (the Father), from the seven Spirits who are before His throne (the Holy Spirit), and from Jesus Christ (the Son).
Verse 5, “the faithful witness* : Among the unique titles of Jesus, He is “called Faithful and True” (Rev. Rev. 19:11+). Here, we see His character as God, Who cannot lie ( Num. 23:19; Rom. 3:4; Tit. Tit. 1:2; Heb. 6:18). Where God is involved, other witnesses are unnecessary, for God bears truthful and reliable witness of Himself (John 8:14).
“First amongst all” : He is the firstborn from the dead “that in all things He may have the preeminence” ( Col. 1:18). He thus establishes the pattern for all His brethren who will also rise from the dead ( Rom. 8:29). The term “firstborn” emphasizes not His generation, but His position ( Ps. 89:27)
Everyone knows that firstborn according to God is not the first child, The use of this term to describe the Davidic king in Ps. 88:28. Joseph was the last of his brothers but was made first. It is determined by significance.
Christ is the first to be resurrected to obtain a glorified body never to die again (1Cor. 15:35-44).
The resurrection of Christ is unique because He is the first instance of that transformation which the resurrection effects.
“ruler over the kings of the earth” The rule of Jesus over the kings of the earth is by divine right, not by the willing acceptance of the kings themselves
“who loves us and has made us free from our sins with his blood sacrifice” The love of God for us is demonstrated in many ways, but chiefly, in the way in which He gave His Son on our behalf: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John John 3:16). For it is by the spilling of blood that God has chosen to atone for sin (Lev. Lev. 17:11; Heb. Heb. 9:22). It was by blood sacrifice that the first men were to approach God (Gen. Gen. 4:4). It was by a blood sacrifice that God established His covenant with Abraham (Gen. Gen. 15:9-21). It was by blood placed on the door posts and lintel that the Jews were “covered” from the destroyer Who passed over Egypt taking the firstborn of each family (Ex. Ex. 12:23). It was by the sprinkling of blood that the Mosaic Law was ratified between God and the Israelites (Ex. Ex. 24:. Ever since the bloodless offering of Cain (Gen. Gen. 4:3-5), man has attempted to approach God by some other means than that which God Himself has established. These would try to circumvent the single path which God requires: “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.’ ” ( John 14:6)
Verse 6, “He made us his kingdom and priests who serve God his Father” this covers from among every “tribe and tongue and people and nation”. Our priesthood is made possible by our “great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God” ( Heb. 4:14), therefore we have complete and full access to the Father. “Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.” (Heb. 4:16). Whether we are to be “kings and priests” or “a kingdom [of] priests,” it is clear that believers will co-rule with Christ during His coming earthly reign (Rev. Rev. 20:4-6+)
Please note: This future reign will not come to pass until after Antichrist has his time on the world stage and a judgment is made in favor of the saints (Dan. Dan. 7:18, Dan. 7:25-27).1
“To Jesus be glory and power forever and ever! Amen”
The nearest antecedent is the Son to which glory and dominion are given, literally into the ages of the ages. it is said that God will not share His glory with another (Isa. Isa. 48:11). Clearly, Jesus is God!
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*3) Who gave that revelation to Jesus in heaven?

John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

4) Matt16:13-17, what revelation did Jesus Christ say was given to Simon Peter?

[b]Matthew's story has from the beginning drawn us in with the good news announcement of salvation that is to be for us in this one who as "Immanuel -- God with us" will "save his people from their sins" (1:21-22).
Matthew 16:13 Jesus refers to himself as the son of man. Here he described himself based on his outward appearance because he was fulfilling the prophecy of the old testament that he would be born as other men were. Simon Peter stated simply that Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. This goes to say that Jesus is the Christ, the Christ of God, the true Messiah, that was promised by God, prophesied of by all the prophets, from the beginning of the world, and expected by the people of God: a character that includes all his offices, of prophet, priest, and king, to which he is anointed by God; and that this Messiah was not a mere man, but a divine person, the Son of God; not by creation, as angels and men are, nor by adoption, as saints, nor by office, as magistrates, but by nature, being his own Son, his proper Son, the only begotten of the Father, of the same nature with him, being one with him, and equal to him.[/b]


5) Rev3:2,5, how come your "Jesus almighty God" lives in heaven & calling another Superior Being "my God" & "my Father"?

[b]As usual you took a portion only. Since you don’t know, let me explain.

Verse 1 Jesus describes Himself to the church at Sardis. These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: As Jesus describes Himself, He uses terms that emphasize His character as the Master of every spiritual power and authority. The repetition of the number seven helps indicate this, because seven is the number of completeness in the Bible. Therefore, Jesus holds the fullness of the Spirit of God, and the fullness of the church.
In verse 1 , He who has the seven Spirits of God: Jesus has the fullness of Holy Spirit in Himself, and He also has the Holy Spirit in fullness to give to the Church. And the seven stars: Jesus also has the fullness of the church in His hand. We know the seven stars represent the churches because of what Jesus said in Revelation 1:20: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and through these letters, when Jesus speaks to the angels of the seven churches, He speaks not to one individual, but to the entire church through that individual.
I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive,
As Jesus says to each church, He also says to Sardis. What a church is and what a church does is never hidden from Jesus. Jesus knew the church at Sardis had a name - that is, a reputation - of life and vitality. If you looked at the church of Sardis, you would see signs of life and vitality. In the church of Sardis, like the city of Sardis, everything seemed alive and good.
“But you are dead”
Despite their reputation of life, Jesus saw them for what they really were. But you are dead shows that a good reputation is no guarantee of true spiritual character. Despite their good appearance, Jesus saw them for what they really were. Dead indicates no struggle, no fight, no persecution. It wasn't that the church at Sardis was losing the battle. A dead body has lost the battle, and the fight seems over. In this letter, Jesus doesn't encourage the Christians in Sardis to stand strong against persecution or false doctrine, probably because there simply wasn't a significant danger of these things in Sardis. Being dead, the church in Sardis presented no significant threat to Satan's domain, so it wasn't worth attacking.

Verse 2, Jesus wanted the church at Sardis to be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. I have not found your works perfect before God: This shows that their works, though present, haven't measured up to God's standard. The presence of works isn't enough, because God requires a particular intent and purpose in all of our works. They should be done with a heart and in a manner that show them to be perfect before God.
Jesus identifies the overcomers with those few names who have not defiled their garments (Revelation 3:4). These overcomers will wear white garments, received from Jesus.
Verse 5 states, “I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels”: This is an amazing promise. It simply makes sense that we should be willing to confess the name of Jesus. But it is amazing that He would not be ashamed to confess us!
It is important for us to accept Jesus. But it is far more important to know if Jesus accepts us.[/b]

6)The God of Abraham is the God of Jesus Christ. Proof Jesus Christ has a God. Acts3:13.

Scripture states that God has always been two divine Beings—God, who became known as the Father, and the Word, who was also God, who became Jesus Christ (John 1:1-3; John 1:14). And the One who became Christ interacted with the Israelites as God on behalf of the Father.

[b]Yet the apostle Peter in Acts 3:13 said, “The God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His servant Jesus …” He further said in Acts 5:30, “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus.” Does this mean that the God of the patriarchs was God the Father exclusively—and not Christ at all? No it does not.
The verses in Acts are not meant to parse the divine nature of the Father and Christ or to declare the Father alone to be the God of the patriarchs. The focus is on the resurrected Christ and faith in the power of His name for salvation, forgiveness and healing. Furthermore, while Jesus was already recognized as God at this point (John 20:28), more complete understanding may have come later. The verses cited above from the apostle John about God the Word were not written until very late in the New Testament period. Nevertheless, the statements in Acts are completely accurate in what they say.
We need to keep in mind that there were two Beings who together were the God of the patriarchs—the Word and the One He served who became the Father. When the Word came to the earth as a man and died, only one of the two was at that moment acting as God to resurrect the other—the Father. This does not mean that Jesus was not one of the two who together had been the God of the patriarchs.
It’s evident that the patriarchs understood that there were two who were God from references to the Angel (or Messenger) of God who was also God (see, for example, Genesis 16:10-13; Genesis 22:11-12). This Messenger of YHWH (that is, of Yahweh, the Eternal) was also identified Himself as YHWH. This makes sense only if there were two who were God or Yahweh.
The term used by Peter to describe Jesus was to fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah 52:13 as God’s chosen servant for accomplishing the work of redemption. This does not in anyway nullify the context of John 1:1-3. Jesus is the word of God send to the world.

Arguing with this verse makes you no different from Muslims who claim that Jesus is just a servant.
Peggy, who is the God of the Father of Jesus Christ?
There is God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit. All are from the same God existing in three divine persons.
The bible is very clear. If you pick one part of the bible to support your point, you’re deceiving yourself. Every part of the bible is relevant and it points to one truth.

HOGWASH be your truth.
You LIED that no catholic and Protestant said "the word is a god"

You still lying that Jesus is the God he called "My Father","my God". Rev3:2,5. John20:17.
Your "God" obeyed the command of his God, "Sit at my right hand", 1 Cor15:24-27.

Brain scrubbed Pharisee.
Enjoy your FALSEHOOD

PastorAIO:
What assertion exactly?

PastorAIO:
*1)have nothing whatsoever in common with Kumuyi's henchman.
*2) It is you and him that are born of that same spirit.

Your (*2) assertion is NOT true. Several topics by Kumuyi's henchman debunks it.

Uteghe:
The right name is the Russelite; so named after their leader CT Russel. JW,as they blasphemously label themselves,are wilful or ignorant members of a cult.

Uteghe lying Pharisee.
Pass the loot pastorpreneur sheepie spotted.

Jozzy4:
Despite you once admit death and hell been thrown into lake of fire means non existence, you re here claiming its a Lie u never said so.



I think your name should be changed to Lie in action .

Gbam !!
Liesinaction AKA "Truthinaction" Pharisee.
He has a short memory.

peggywebbs:
First no need to mislead yourself.. no one argued that Russell did not establish JW, I wrote that, I never argued who wrote the first English bible, you obviously decided to derail yourself.

Well I have attached for your pleasure a copy of the Watchtower magazine of 1969 where your JW claimed that the world will be ending.

According to your acclaimed reliable source ,it states


“…six millenniums of mankind’s life on earth would end in the mid-seventies. Thus the seventh millennium from man’s creation by Jehovah God would begin within less than ten years…. In order for the Lord Jesus Christ to be ‘Lord even of the sabbath day,’ his thousand-year reign would have to be the seventh in a series of thousand-year periods or millenniums…. Would not, then, the end of six millenniums of mankind’s laborious enslavement under Satan the Devil be the fitting time for Jehovah God to usher in a Sabbath millennium for all his human creatures? Yes, indeed! And his King Jesus Christ will be Lord of that Sabbath.” —The Watchtower, October 15, 1969, pp. 622-623



2) Also why do you jump around the bush quoting other people's scriptures, no body gave you work and that is no proof that gives you people enough reason to also create your own version of the original translation. It makes your organisation no different from the others changing the word of God. It is bad enough that the world suffers from a
tampered version of the bible and then you people had to have your own.

*3 ) Why do you choose to argue baselessly. I'm a lawyer and of course, I never let the man go Scott free. I only waited for the family to take the matter to their elders since that was what they insisted on and they ended up seeing the result. That was their opening eye point.

*4) Your organisation does not recognise women, they don't even let them talk so what is your point?

**5) See, you can choose to argue with me about the history of Christianity, it would only expose your denial of a false organisation you choose to blindly follow. I have argued with you based on facts and truths. My church and every other church won't defellowship me because I did research outside the scope of my church.

Your falsehood done buy market for this Forum....
There's no fake prophecy there about 1975, rather you DISTORTED what's written in that 1969 watchtower.
*** The Watchtower you screenshot, Reads:

"More recently, earnest researchers of the holy Bible have made a recheck of it's chronology.
ACCORDING TO THEIR CALCULATIONS, the six millenniums of mankind's life on earth would end in the mid seventies. Thus,the seventh millennium from man's creation by Jehovah God would begin within less than ten years"

Where did that Watchtower PREDICT the end of the world in 1975?
#* If we were to ASSUME your FALSEHOOD is true, counting from "mid seventies" ,has the "earnest researchers" acclaimed seventh millennium (1000 years = 1 millennium) been concluded ?
If you take that Watchtower go argue the matter for any Court of Law, you MUST lose the case and expose yourself as a brain scrubbed mumu lawyer.
LIAR.

Your (*2) Hypocrite !!
You claimed that JWs are not allowed to research and find out the truth.
Yet you dey here dey vex you say I'm "quoting other people's scriptures"
"John1:1," the word was with "ho theos (the God)". The word is NOT "ho theos (the God)".
Lying hypocrite, John 1:1 NEVER said the word is "ho theos (the God)"
theos in Greek usage meaning gods, a god or God.
Lying ,hypocritical Peggy bigotry .
Shame on you!

*3 to *5) Your claim FALSE !!
HOGWASH!

peggywebbs:
Don't mind them o... you see me I've stated clearly all their barbaric practices and they have not been able to deny any. Instead they have changed it with the way they receive people talking about their unique preaching practices.

See this Madam Peggy as she dey lie on a public forum.

You LIED on this thread that no bible -catholic or Protestant says "the word is a god"
whereas, more than 14 different Bible translations exposed your falsehood.
We are on thread 4 now, just go back to thread 3 and attempt those 6 questions waiting for your reply.
"Researcher" spreading falsehood.

[quote author=rottennaija post=80956944][/quote]Your copy and paste screenshots is not the holy Bible.
From your copy of the holy Bible :
(1) tell me what was done to the man who slept with his Father's wife ?

*2) What did Jesus apostles recommended should be done to any believer who rejected the teaching of the apostles or quit the first century Christian congregation?

3) What did Jesus Christ himself teach about those who quit following him?

peggywebbs:
Please what did you say here?

*2) **$$ With evidences presented, Do you now agree that this your claim is a LIE ?
" For example, to prove that
Jesus was only a creature, not God,
the New World Translation’s rendering
of John 1:1 concludes this way: “and
the Word was a god” [italics added].*

You say that Jesus is what? May God forgive you. The Jesus that I know is not a creature. You make a mockery of Christianity.

Repent and be saved.

The Jesus you claim to know is NOT the real Jesus of the holy Bible.

Copy these 6 questions & give your pastorpreneur god of men.
But Answer my 6 questions ,no dull yourself.

**1) John10:34-36, who is Jesus Christ telling you he is?

2) Rev1:1,5,6, what revelation did Jesus in heaven give to John ?

*3) Who gave that revelation to Jesus in heaven?
4) Matt16:13-17, what revelation did Jesus Christ say was given to Simon Peter?

5) Rev3:2,5, how come your "Jesus almighty God" lives in heaven & calling another Superior Being "my God" & "my Father"?

6)The God of Abraham is the God of Jesus Christ. Proof Jesus Christ has a God. Acts3:13.
Peggy, who is the God of the Father of Jesus Christ?