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jesusjnr:
Which people?

Or you just want to generalize?

This is my opinion just in case you care to know it and not impose your assumptions on me.

Even Jesus said that His Father is greater than He was, so I believe He was not exactly the same as His Father even though He was one with the Father.

For Jesus being one with the Father is in the respect of a team, not that He is the Father, for Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.

JWs wholeheartedly agree with this point by Jesusjnr.

Maximus69:
Well Jesus chose the 12 Apostles when he was here {in the flesh}. Luke 6:13

He handed over the whole thing to them and that's the one and only GROUP approved by God for ORDAINING those who will take the lead in shepherding of God's flock anywhere you find the Christians back then! Act 6:1-6
Note that Jesus directed Paul to go and meet a Christian who will teach him WHAT TO DO{the tenets of Christianity}! Act 9:6-11
After Paul had started preaching publicly about Jesus Christ AMONGST HIS JEWISH PEOPLE, Barnabas still led Paul to the GROUP{Apostles}! Act 9:27
The Apostles then ORDAINED Paul to go and start congregating the gentiles for Christ just as Jesus has told Ananias! Act 9:10-16

You can argue about this but know today that

We are Jehovah's Witnesses!

JEHOVAH our God is NOT a God of disorder! 1Corinthians 14:33

On point. Great post.

jcross19:
just state where Paul was ordained not where he was trained but ordained?

Apostle Paul himself answers your question.
Acts26:12-20, more emphasis on verses 16,17,19 &20. Romans1:1. Acts9:15. Gal 1:1.

****$$** It's very important to note the fact that Greek language has variety of words synonymous with "ORDAIN" as we know it in English.
For example, Mark 3:14.
#* New American Standard Bible
And He appointed twelve, so that they would
be with Him and that He could send them
out to preach,

*# King James Bible
And he ordained twelve, that they should be
with him, and that he might send them forth
to preach,Pls do well to check it out below.

Greek
3549. nomotheteo -- to make law, to ordain
by law
... to make law, to ordain by law. Part of
Speech: Verb Transliteration: nomotheteo
Phonetic Spelling: (nom-oth-et-eh'-o) Short
Definition: I ordain , enact ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/3549.htm -
6k
5021. tasso -- to draw up in order, arrange
... 5021 -- properly, (put in order); to place
in a , ; (figuratively) ordain , set
in place; "station" (J. Thayer). ... appoint,
determine, ordain , set. ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/5021.htm -
7k
2680. kataskeuazo -- to prepare
... 2), built (1), construction (1), prepare (3),
prepared (4). build, make,
ordain , prepare. From kata and a derivative
of skeuos; to ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/2680.htm -
8k
3724. horizo -- to mark off by boundaries, to
determine
... predetermined (1). declare, determine,
limit, ordain . From horion; to mark
out or bound ("horizon", ie (figuratively) to
appoint ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/3724.htm -
8k
4282. proetoimazo -- to prepare before
... ordain before, prepare afore. From pro
and hetoimazo; to fit up in advance (literally
or figuratively) -- ordain before, prepare
afore. see GREEK pro. ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/4282.htm -
7k
4309. proorizo -- to predetermine,
foreordain
... determine before, ordain , predestinate.
From pro and horizo; to limit in advance,
ie (figuratively) predetermine -- determine
before, ordain , predestinate. ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/4309.htm -
7k
2525. kathistemi -- to set in order, appoint
... render (1), set (1). appoint, be, conduct,
make, ordain , set. From kata
and histemi; to place down (permanently), ie
(figuratively ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/2525.htm -
8k
5500. cheirotoneo -- to vote by stretching
out the hand, to ...
... Word Origin from cheir and teino (to
stretch) Definition to vote by stretching out
the hand, to appoint NASB Word Usage
appointed (2). choose, ordain . ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/5500.htm -
7k
4160. poieo -- to make, do
... gain, give, have, hold, X journeying, keep,
+ lay wait, + lighten the ship, make,
X mean, + none of these things move me,
observe, ordain , perform, provide ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/4160.htm -
14k
4929. suntasso -- to arrange (together)
... suntasso Phonetic Spelling: (soon-tas-
so) Short Definition: I arrange with, direct,
appoint Definition: I arrange with, direct,
appoint, prescribe, ordain . ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/4929.htm -
6k.

**Peace.

drips8:
The same hypocrites who lead the morning prayers will also be the one to extort customers

Gbam.
Them go sell adigboroja give you and dem go dey form say na demain demain.
We no dia way...
Still, there are few honest ones among the lot, though.

Emusan:
@color is sufficient for us....

Everyone can see how myopic you are....you rush to Ellicott's commentary but running around to justify the insertion of "OTHER" where it didn't occur.

That's why you people will forever remain hypocrite.

This was your initial post while cited Ellicott's commentary:

You intentionally capitalize "DOES NOT OCCUR"

But here you are crying over the thread justifying the insertion of a word that DOES NOT OCCUR...

Moronic post.
Emusan Pharisee, I ask you again, " Colossians1:16, did Jesus create his Father?

For emphasis insert "Other" in Col 1:16.
Jesus Christ the son in heaven is telling you "ho theos" (the God ) is his "my Father" and "my God"

Rev 3:2,5.
2 Wake up!
Strengthen what remains and is about to
die, for I have found your deeds unfinished
in the sight of MY GOD.

5 The one who is victorious will, like
them, be dressed in white. I will never blot
out the name of that person from the book
of life, but will acknowledge that name
before MY FATHER and his angels.

@ Revelation 3:2,5 Jesus himself EXPOSED your " God in the flesh " 1Tim3:16 FRAUD.

Emusan no get sense.
Shame on you.

Emusan:
Dead brainwashed JWs couple with hypocrisy!

Where was the words "OTHER and a god" appear in Ellicott's commentary

Yet you haven't be able to provide that....why didn't you refer to concordance of that 1 Timothy Hypocrite

Lastly, nobody asked you to cry here.....yet you couldn't even see this from where you quoted "St. Paul, in a burst of adoration, declares of the Father that “from Him, and through Him, and to Him are all things;”

So Ellicott also stated that "all things are from, and THROUGH, even TO the Father..."

Did you see the correlation? Olodo...

Incurable Emusan Pharisee, John 1:1-3 says the world was made "THROUGH him" , which Hebrew 1:2 points out.
"Ho Theos (the God) made the world in Colossians 1:16 "THROUGH him ( Greek "dia autou"- a channel in the creative activities) justifies insertion of "other" you're just so brain dead and argue blindly.

Colossians 1verse 15 called Jesus "His son".
Emusan did Jesus create the Father?
The truth dey pain you for brain.
You sacrificed your brain for a scam.

Emusan:
Dead brainwashed JWs couple with hypocrisy!

Where was the words "OTHER and a god" appear in Ellicott's commentary

Yet you haven't be able to provide that....why didn't you refer to concordance of that 1 Timothy Hypocrite

Lastly, nobody asked you to cry here.....yet you couldn't even see this from where you quoted "St. Paul, in a burst of adoration, declares of the Father that “from Him, and through Him, and to Him are all things;”

So Ellicott also stated that "all things are from, and THROUGH, even TO the Father..."

Did you see the correlation? Olodo...

Incurable Emusan Pharisee, John 1:1-3 says the world was made "THROUGH him" , which Hebrew 1:2 points out.
"Ho Theos (the God) made the world in Colossians 1:16 "THROUGH him ( Greek "dia autou"- a channel in the creative activities) justifies insertion of "other" you're just so brain dead and argue blindly.

Colossians 1verse 15 called Jesus "His son",Emusan did Jesus create the Father?
The truth dey pain you for brain.
You sacrificed your brain for a scam.

Emusan:
As usual, the nature of a Hypocrite...

Provide us Ellicott's commentary on Colossians 1 and John 1:1 is what I asked for!

Nobody asks you to cry....

The truth dey pain your brain.

Bible > Strong's > Greek > 2316
◄ 2316. theos
►
Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun,
Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Definition: God, a god"

( John1:1(Emphatic Diaglott. Coptic Sahidic Bible) Acts12:22 (Aramaic Bible).

**New Heart English Bible**
But the crowd shouted,"The voice of a god,
and not of a man."
* Aramaic Bible in Plain English**
All the people were crying out and saying,
“These are the sayings of God and not of
men.”

$$$** 2) EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(16) For by him . . . all things were created
by ( through ) him, and for ( to) him. —
Carrying out the idea of the preceding
clause with accumulated emphasis, St. Paul
speaks of all creation as having taken place
“by Him,” “through Him,” and “for Him.”
Now we note that in Romans 11:36 , St.
Paul, in a burst of adoration, declares of the
Father that “from Him, and through Him, and
to Him are all things;” and in Hebrews 2:10
the Father is spoken of as One “by whom
are all things, and for whom are all
things” (the word “for whom” being different
from the word so rendered here, but virtually
equivalent to it). Hence we observe that the
Apostle here takes up a phrase belonging
only to Godhead and usually applied to the
Father, and distinctly applies it to Christ, but
with the significant change of “from whom”
into “in whom.” The usual language of holy
Scripture as to the Father is “from whom,”
and as to the Son “through whom,” are all
things. Thus we have in Hebrews 1:2 ,
“through whom He made the world;” and in
John 1:3-10 , “All things were made”—“the
world was made”—“through Him.”


Idiotic Pharisee "ho theos (the God)" made the world "THROUGH" him (Jesus Christ). Hebrew 1:2. John 1:3.


**2) EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(16) For by him . . . all things were created
by ( through ) him, .

** Emusan, you dey see am? "THROUGH him" is the proper, CORRECT rendition there.
The truth dey pain your Pharisee brain.

PastorAIO:
And Thus the battle between the Pots and the Kettles raged fiercely. Are they evenly matched? It is truly hard to see which is blacker than the other.

You be Pot or kettle?
Which one you be ?

jcross19:
there is no where in the new testament where its written that you will be ordained by a group of people before you lead the flocks! pls. show it to me in the bible.

Jesus himself is a member of Jehovah's organization (Isaiah 43:10-12. Acts3:13. John 20:17. Rev3:5. ).

His Father draws you ( John6:44-46) if you "listen" & repent ,accept the Father's message taught by Jesus (John 7:16. 3:16) & get baptised (Matt 28:19,20. Apostle Paul passed through that process Acts9:1-20, Jesus disciples taught him) before he /you can be ordained minister.

Emusan:
Hypocrite!!!

Can you give us the same Ellicott's commentary for Colossians 1 whether the word OTHER appears there or John 1:1 whether it's "a god"

Bible > Strong's > Greek > 2316
◄ 2316. theos
►
Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun,
Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Definition: God, a god"

Idiotic, lying Pharisee Emusan,
Jesus says "My Father...is GREATER THAN ALL" , John10:29.

"6. Furthermore, in John 14:1, Jesus said “let not your heart be troubled: you believe in
God, believe also in me”. Remember Jesus
did NOT say: "you believe in Father, believe
also in me". He said : "you believe in God,
believe also in me”. Therefore, if Jesus is
God, why did he clearly distinguish himself
from God? "(Copied)

*** The statements of Jesus Christ himself ,(John 10:29. John14:1) perfectly justify Colossians 1 (NWT) "other" simply for emphasis.

Emusan ,Hypocrite show proof that your Bible has no insertion anywhere from Genesis to Revelation.

Aladdin1:
Yes Jesuschrist is indeed Lord and He is GOD forever.Halleluyah!!.

Kwantirinu your man made scam.

John 10:29
"My Father who has given them
to Me is GREATER THAN ALL"

bingbagbo:
God had to take the form of a man (1 Timothy 3:16) " The father is greater than I" , but I tell you this Jesus was God Almighty on earth.

If you don't believe Jesus is God, then you are not yet a Christian.

God bless you!

You dey use Fake 1Tim3:16,KJV to back a fraud.
Congratulobia !


***$$*** EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)
"Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(16)

"Here, in the most ancient authorities, the word “God” DOES NOT OCCUR.
We must, then, literally translate the Greek of the most famous and trustworthy MSS. as follows:
* He who was manifested in the flesh*.
In the later MSS., and in the great majority of the fathers who cite the passage, we certainly find Theos (“God”), as in the Received text.....
Recent investigations have shown, however, beyond controversy that the oldest MSS., with scarcely an exception, contain the more difficult reading, ΘC (“He who”).""
SOURCE: biblehub.com

Your fake "God Almighty on earth" now lives in heaven where he has a Father and God greater than him.. Rev3:5,21.

John 10:29
"My Father who has given them
to Me is GREATER THAN ALL"

John 14:28
You heard Me say, 'I am going away, and I
am coming back to you.' If you loved Me,
you would rejoice that I am going to the
Father, because the Father is greater than I.

LIARS , lying Pharisees and unreceptive hearts glued to FALSEHOOD.

89 . OLAADEGBU( m ): Quote Post
" Ali: "Someone who is abused like that...it
causes a stress that...PTSD but they are
told to call the legal department before they
call the police...
Elder1: "The police are involved
immediately"
Ali: "How can they (the police) be handling it
immediately if they aren't called? because in
Montana the Legal Department told those
elders, where reporting is mandatory, to not
call the police....." (banging my head against
the wall at this point.) "It's not personal (I
don't have anything personal against this
elder...."



**** OLAADEGBU is peddling FALSEHOOD of Ali's baseless claims.
Na which JW video talk say no reporting of child abuse matter?

The JW in the YouTube video restated matter of factly,"the Police are involved immediately", that's the point of emphasis in Paragraph 13 of the Watchtower article being referenced


$$**2.

"Ali: "They say on average people who are
assualted sexually as children don't know
how to piece together what even happened
until 30 years old or older."
Elder: "AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE SO
THANKFUL FOR JEHOVAH'S ORGANISATION
THAT EDUCATES US AND YOUNG ONES"
Ali: "I guess my last question, because I
respect you as people if that was the truth,
how come in Australia in 2015, and I had
this conversation with brother Fry (a CO) in
2016....people at high levels in this
organisation do know"
(um yeah...like Geoffrey Jackson and
friends)
"In Australia alone, case number 29, you can
look it up yourself....court documents, not
commentaries....of those 1006 cases of CSA
that were documented, guess how many
were reported to police?"


Na which 1940's to 1970s Anti -CSA law (the period that the rapes were said to have occurred) did the Australian Commission or the Police tell the world that JWs have contravened?

In 1940's to 1970's Australia's conservative society , few parents would dare expose their children to public stigma attached to rape.
JWs can not be scapegoat for Australia's societal malaise.
No JW parent was barred from reporting CSA to the appropriate quarter.

*** That YouTube video na lie lie full am....

what else should we expect from cult of personality worshipper wey kumuyi dey spoonfeed with junk !

johnw47:
truly you should believe God's word: there is no god with God,
you false jw's believe, "a god" is with God,
we christians know that Father and the Word is God
not two gods as you false jw's believe

in the beginning the Word was with "the" God(referring to Father), indeed He was
and the Word was God(not "the" Father)



Deu_32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

Gen_1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Crooked Pharisee,
" My Father is GREATER THAN ALL, says Jesus. John 10:29.

Jehovah (Yahweh) is one , himself ALONE.
Deut 6:4
Darby Bible Translation
Hear, Israel: Jehovah our God is one
Jehovah;

World English Bible
Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is
one:
Young's Literal Translation
Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one
Jehovah;

*** Gen1:26, that he spoke to other spirit beings NEVER changes anything.
Jehovah says he is one God, Himself ALONE Jehovah is the true God.
Jesus agreed. (John17:3).

You're just twisting John1:1
"In the beginning the Word was with "the" God(referring to Father), indeed He was
and the Word was God(not "the" Father) "

**$* Your "the Word God, not the Father, God"., that's two Gods your sawdust brain won't accept. You sabi dey lie too much.


$$ * You crooked Pharisees LIAR, deceive yourself thinking that big letter God and small letter god are different.
You dubiously say "not two gods as false JWs believe"

Bible > Strong's > Greek > 2316
◄ 2316. theos
►
Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun,
Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Definition: God, a god"
Greek theos means "a god ,God, "
Crooked LIAR Johnw

TruthinAction:
My friend, you have been brainwashed. Let me just prove to you that those destroyed by fire in Sodom and Gomorrah are still suffering it in hell.

Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, SUFFERING the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE.

The word suffering is present continous term if you read English in school. So they are still suffering it. And the last two words, Eternal fire shows its forever.

Pastorpreneur con man alias Liesinaction.
You are a colossal disgrace, I tell you without mincing words.
Genesis 19:12-14,28,29

OLAADEGBU:
What Is The Meaning Of The Word Greater?

One of the many reasons why skeptics and Unitarians come to this unanimous decision that Christ was merely a human being is largely due to a deep miscomprehension regarding the term greater. These individuals take upon themselves the task of limiting this word to meaning that one lies superior to another in ALL aspects of his being.

However, just to demonstrate that this is NOT the case, let me provide you with a few definitions from the Macmillan dictionary and see if their limiting efforts can stand under scrutiny:

According to the Macmillan dictionary, the word greater means:

more than usual
important/powerful
enthusiastic
able to do something well
for expressing pleasure
(not) good/enjoyable

As you can see, not all definitions point to a superiority in essence. Here are what 11 other dictionaries and lexicons translate the word Jesus used, which in Greek is transliterated as 'megas':

This word can mean "important," "strong," and even "large." We can clearly see why the incarnate Son would use this word in his human state to refer to the Father.

Br. Sam Shamoun, a prominent Christian apologist puts it quite well, stating: "The term greater, not Just in Greek, but also in English, can hold two meanings. 1) being better in essence 2) being better in rank/position. For example, one can say that I am greater than my dog which implies that I am greater than it both in rank and essence. However, one can also say that my boss is greater than me or that the president is greater than the vice president. These do not refer to essence, but in office and rank."

OLAADEGBU lying Pharisee,pls free yourself from this self-imposed delusion and satanic scam .

***John 10:29
"My Father who has given them to Me is
GREATER THAN ALL"


** Rev 3:5,21 is not in your Bible.
You done tear am komot since 19gbidigbidi.
Crooked Pharisees and unreceptive hearts.

johnw47:
Deu_32:39  See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me:

God has no God with Him,


Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, [b]and the Word was with God,

two persons in God there,

You are a colossal disgrace.


Deut32:39 Jehovah says "see now that even I" , is himself ALONE.

John1:1, "the Word was with "ho theos", (the God", your sawdust brain delusion dey manufacture "two persons in God there"

Your brain needs hypo....

TruthinAction:
The prophecies are documented. .

You pastorpreneur con man wan give lecture about pride even when him pride no let am confess say him say " beast will rule in the Old Roman Empire" na BIG lie.

In the same manner that Luke documented that Jesus disciples, (including Luke himself) believed and formed their own opinions,they prophesied what Jesus Christ NEVER taught ! Luke 18:31. Luke 19:11. Luke24:21.

Jesus disciples mess no dey smell reach like your "beast WILL RULE in the Old Roman Empire" lie lie wey ooze stench wey dey smell pass carbide.

TruthinAction:
For clarity, I mean in the region occupied by the the Old Roman Empire. It is better referred to as a revived and revised Roman Empire with headquarter in Rome.

Oturugbeke. !!!!!
The Confirmed LIAR says "physical beast" will rule over "the regions occupied by the Old Roman Empire".
How can a beast rule over a human society?
This pastorpreneur con man your brain na sawdust.....
Liesinaction is actually due for psychiatric evaluation....

TruthinAction:
You are digressing. Churches may have points of disagreement but the tenets of the gospel remains and we all agree on that except the Jehovah false witnesses.

1. That all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

2. That the wages of sin is death.

3. That redemption is only available by exercising faith in the finished work of Christ on Calvary.

4. That salvation is purely an act of grace and not of works.

5. That the Church is given the Holy Spirit to empower us for ministry work.

6. That Jesus is deity. He has the very nature and essence of God.

7. That all who reject the gospel of our Lord Jesus will end up in hell fire.

8. That Jesus is coming back to take us home before the anti Christ is revealed.

9. That Christ will come back to establish his Millennium Reign on earth.

Whether Deeper life, Christ Embassy, RCCG, Foundation Faith, Living Faith etc. We all agree on this tenets except the Jehovah false witnesses.

1) Yes.

**2) You don't really believe that, you're just paying lip service to it.
Hellfire doctrine faces South Pole, "the wages of sin is death" faces North Pole.

##3)Yes.

***4) Grace (Matt24:21,22. Zeph2:2,3) and works (James2:24-26. Heb11:6. 12:1).

**5) JWs are empowered by holy spirit.

**##6) Jesus has essence and nature of God or divine nature ," a god", (the Word was with "ho theos", the God,) the Word is NOT "ho theos" that's the real point in John1:1.
In heaven, Jesus has his God and Father(Rev 3:5,21. Acts 3:13). He is not Almighty God. Humans are partakers of divine nature (John10:34-36), does that mean that man is Almighty God?
Who is the God of Jesus father ?

***$$7) 2 Thess1:7-9 . Jude1:5,7, refutes your claim. Is Sodom and Gomorrah "punishment of everlasting fire" still tormenting them today?

2 Thess1:7-9 . Matt24:30,31 revealed what Jesus is coming to do on earth- execute the wicked which translates to salvation of faithful servants of Jehovah., "thy kingdom come" to rule over the "new earth" of righteous subjects of God's kingdom. (Rev5:9,10. 20:1-5).

CANTICLES:
Can u comand with the president's voice if u ar not the president? Definitely no, u must be d president before u av such priviledge!!! Now lets dig truth from the scripture ! Arch - angel means " the head of all angels" or the most superior angel ! Ar u following ?? Micheal was said to be an " Arch- Angel" wich is *singular* (one person), But the post of Arch-angel is mostly given to our Lord Jesus .... Dont be suprised " ... The Lord himself will descend from heaven, with a Commanding call, with an ARCHANGEL'S VOICE " 1the 4:16 .. This shows Jesus voice is dat of an Archangel! Scripture support he is the Arch-angel Micheal ! Aftrall Peter is also known as Simon ( Matt 10:2) , Jacob is also known as Isreal ( Gen 49:1,2) so its not unusual for someone to have two names

Gbam!
Jesus Christ ,the son of God (,Heb1:1-3) "became better than the angels ", was elevated above all angels (Heb1:4-7),
"God is your throne" (Heb1:8. 1Chro29:23. Luke1:32,33, Jesus inherits the throne of David his human ancestor).
Heb1:9,13 "your God (the God of Jesus) exalted his son above his companions (angels), from Hebrew 1:1-13, Jesus Christ was exalted above angels.
Truth.

TruthinAction:
This knowledge is bigger than you. Let me not bother myself explaining. Well, it's difficult for someone who is not born again to understand spiritual things. Remain in darkness.

Your "beast will rule in the Old Roman Empire"
Pastorpreneur con man.

johnw47:
luke 19 Jesus said to Zacchaeus: "This day is salvation come to this house", and then Jesus disciples thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
they didn't prophecy oh so duh one, but your jw org. does, they falsely prophesy and when one prophecy fails they make another, then another, laugh

Johnw lying Pharisee deluded brain , Luke 19:11 is beyond the scope of your unreceptive heart of falsehood.
The language of Luke19:11 is simple as ABC.

johnw47:
of course rottennaija and TruthinAction are correct,
false jw's are false prophets, and who have jumped into the thread with their babbling confusion:

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.



Jehovah's Witnesses and their many false prophecies
from christian website

The Witnesses make many claims in their attempt to convert you to their faith. They profess to have the only true Christian church, to be the only true representatives of God, to have the only correct biblical teaching, and to be the only true announcers of Jehovah's coming kingdom.

If they are the only true church and are the only true voice of God's word, then what they say should prove to be true and especially in prophecy. When it comes to predicting the future, the Watchtower organization fails miserably. Following are some of the false predictions made over the years by the Watchtower organization. If you present these to a JW, he will probably say something like, "Those are taken out of context," or "They didn't claim to be the prophet of God," or "The light is getting brighter, and we are understanding Bible prophecy better now," etc. Make a copy of these false prophecies, found in the appendix, and give it to them to check. They are right out of the Witnesses' literature.



In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.

IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"--"So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? . . . This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197). (See Deut. 18:21.)

1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).
1899 " . . . the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).
1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).
1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).
1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).
1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? . . . Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).
A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?



A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah's Witness organization, that claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet.

Junk post of johnw and Olaadegbu lying Pharisees.
Olaadegbu affirmed that Johnw & the others were idol worshipping Christmas/ birthday celebrants.
(Go & see Olaadegbu profile on NL).

Jesus Christ followers were false prophets too !
Jesus disciples believed and formed their own opinions,they prophesied what Jesus Christ NEVER taught them ! Luke 19:11. Luke24:21.

Non denominational Pharisees ,Liesinaction Pharisees, rotten in sifia pains and kumuyi worshipper ,strange bedfellows indeed,dey form comrade for JW matter.
Oturugbeke!!!!!!!

*

johnw47:
of course rottennaija and TruthinAction are correct,
false jw's are false prophets, and who have jumped into the thread with their babbling confusion:

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.



Jehovah's Witnesses and their many false prophecies
from christian website

The Witnesses make many claims in their attempt to convert you to their faith. They profess to have the only true Christian church, to be the only true representatives of God, to have the only correct biblical teaching, and to be the only true announcers of Jehovah's coming kingdom.

If they are the only true church and are the only true voice of God's word, then what they say should prove to be true and especially in prophecy. When it comes to predicting the future, the Watchtower organization fails miserably. Following are some of the false predictions made over the years by the Watchtower organization. If you present these to a JW, he will probably say something like, "Those are taken out of context," or "They didn't claim to be the prophet of God," or "The light is getting brighter, and we are understanding Bible prophecy better now," etc. Make a copy of these false prophecies, found in the appendix, and give it to them to check. They are right out of the Witnesses' literature.

Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.

In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.

IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"--"So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? . . . This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197). (See Deut. 18:21.)

1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).
1899 " . . . the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).
1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).
1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).
1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).
1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? . . . Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).
A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?



A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah's Witness organization, that claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet.

2Pe 2:1  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Junk post of johnw and Olaadegbu lying Pharisees.
Olaadegbu affirmed that Johnw is an idol worshipper Christmas/ birthday celebrant.
(Go & see Olaadegbu profile on NL).

Jesus Christ followers were false prophets too !
Jesus disciples believed and formed their own opinions,they prophesied on something Jesus Christ NEVER taught ! Luke 19:11. Luke24:21.

Non denominational Pharisees and kumuyi worshipper ,strange bedfellows, dey form comrade for JW matter.
Oturugbeke!!!!!!!

TruthinAction:
Didn't Apostle Paul rebuked the Church in Corinth for division among them? They came together a few times to discuss doctrines. This do not mean they had a joint ministry. They had their separate Ministries. Denomination does not mean division. After all, Jesus wrote letters to seven different churches under different leadership. It's like your brains have been programmed to think in one direction.

That's the junk you're spoonfeeding your gullible sheepies to rip off their hard earned money.

**** 1 Cor3:3-9 KJV.
"3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is
among you envying, and strife, and
divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as
men?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and
another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but
ministers by whom ye believed, even as the
Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God
gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any
thing, neither he that watereth; but God that
giveth the increase.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth
are one: and every man shall receive his
own reward according to his own labour.
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye
are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building."

"Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one",same doctrines, same teachings, same beliefs and practice under the leadership of Jesus Christ.



Jesus disciples NEVER taught contradictory doctrines that you pastorpreneurs are doing today to deceive and fleece gullible people.

Kumuyi is against Christmas/birthday celebration, he says you and all celebrants of Christmas are idol worshippers.
https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/12/23/kumuyi-stirs-fresh-controversy-in-christendom/

(kumuyi anti Christmas thread even dey here for Nairaland, go dig it up).

Yet, you dey follow am pretend una be "body of Christ"
Would an apostle of Jesus call his fellow apostles "idol worshippers"?

Janosky:
Confirmed LIAR.
Your real moniker is Liesinaction.
Keep deceiving yourself.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-
witnesses/faq/believe-in-jesus/

"Yes. We believe in Jesus, who said: “I am
the way and the truth and the life. No one
comes to the Father except through
me.” ( John 14:6 ) We have faith that Jesus
came to earth from heaven and gave his
perfect human life as a ransom sacrifice.
( Matthew 20:28 ) His death and resurrection
make it possible for those exercising faith in
him to gain everlasting life. ( John 3:16)"

TruthinAction:
This is what you use in deceiving people to join you. After they join, you brainwash them with lies from the pit of hell. Your punishment will be worse than that of the devil.

Confirmed LIAR.
Liesinaction doesn't even believe the gospel truth of John3:16, Matt20:28 and John14:6 which he rejects.
You be confirmed lying Pharisee pretending to be Christian.
Shame on you.

TruthinAction:
You mean devil agents like the Jehovah witness. God forbid.

Even Apostle Paul and Apostle Peter had their separate ministry. They did not form a joint forum. Everyone has his calling. But the ultimate goal is reconciling men back to God.

Confirmed LIAR.
Acts chapter 15 dey your Bible, you fit done tear am komot , I no trust you....

**1 Cor1:10
"I appeal to you, brothers, in the
name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of
you agree together, so that there may be no
divisions among you and that you may be
united in mind and conviction."

TruthinAction:
Big fat lies. You don't believe in Jesus. You deny his Deity. You even equate him to an angel. You also teach he did not resurrect bodily. You make gullible souls think you believe in Jesus so they can accept you.

Confirmed LIAR.
Your real moniker is Liesinaction.
Keep deceiving yourself.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-
witnesses/faq/believe-in-jesus/

"Yes. We believe in Jesus, who said: “I am
the way and the truth and the life. No one
comes to the Father except through
me.” ( John 14:6 ) We have faith that Jesus
came to earth from heaven and gave his
perfect human life as a ransom sacrifice.
( Matthew 20:28 ) His death and resurrection
make it possible for those exercising faith in
him to gain everlasting life. ( John 3:16)"

TruthinAction:
Jehovah witness doctrine has damaged your brain. The beast is the new world ruler that is yet to come. He will rule in the old Roman Empire but this time only a confederation of ten states. So he is a physical being.

The false prophet is also a physical being that will be accepted by the Jews as their Messiah until he sets up the image of the beast in the temple of God. This is when the eyes of the Jews will be opened and acknowledge that Jesus Christ that they had rejected is indeed the Messiah.

The book of Revelation is unveiling events that will happen in the future and the punishment of the beast and the false prophet will be the Lake of fire. And it is literal in the sense that the Bible said they will be tormented night and day.

And they did not disappear into oblivion like you preached. The Bible reveals that Satan was later thrown into the same Lake of fire after over 1,000 years and acknowledged that the beast and the false prophets are still there.

.

Because you are a LIAR and a confused Pharisee that is why your idiotic post will make sense to you.
You no fit answer my questions but you dey insult me....
See ALL the EVIDENCE of your LIES.

**1) "The beast is the new world ruler that is yet to come. He will rule in the old Roman Empire but this time only a confederation of ten states. So he is a physical being. "

$$ Nairalanders, na which physical beast you go throw put for fire today morning and by tomorrow morning ,all the body parts no go burn to ashes?
Old Roman empire wey done kaput over a thousand years ago, this liar says "beast will rule"

**2) "the beast....will rule in the old Roman Empire but this time only a confederation of ten states"

Nairalanders, I hereby move a motion for the Moderator, Mr OAM4J, to order "Truthinaction" to present evidence of professional psychiatric evaluation before he would be allowed to post anything on NL forum.

**3)"The false prophet is also a physical being that will be accepted by the Jews as their Messiah until he sets up the image of the beast in the temple of God."

Nairalanders, the temple of God in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman Army in 70 CE, (this was the time the Jews were driven from their homeland and dispersed all over diaspora.) Na which false prophet the Jews believe say na Messiah?

It only exists in the deluded brain of lies in action.